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Blogger अश्वमित्रः said...

[The sad fact is that however much we pursue such experiences most of us will not have a mystical experience. Even amongst long term meditators (and I know dozens of people who have been meditating for more than two decades) such experiences are relatively rare. Certainly meditation can give us all peak experiences, and I've my share of those, but the mystical or visionary experiences that transform, even radically transform the practitioner are elusive. Most long term meditators are certainly admirable people, but they are refined versions of themselves, rather than egoless or saintly or whatever. For most of us the path produces slow growth and evolution, but not revolution.]

I've never read this expressed before, and it strikes me hard. Like many or most westerners, I was drawn to Buddhism, ages ago, by what seemed its promise of transcendence (transcendence of trauma rather than of ordinary duhkha, again like many or most westerners), but quite soon came to suspect (based on my experience of meditation and of Buddhists) that Buddhism in general and meditation in particular do not change people much or at all, but merely offer an explanatory mythology and the consolation of culture and ritual like any other religion. As I eventually came to say, "Buddhists are just assholes like you and me". All that changes is the flavour of the talky-talk -- vanilla or chocolate, take your pick. You take the ordinariness of Buddhists in stride as nothing surprising, but for me it was deeply disappointing, having bought all that romantic hype. In fact, I found what seemed a disproportionately large number of exceptionally egomaniacal and obviously mentally ill people among self-identified Buddhists. No doubt the same would be true for other religious and ideological communities, but obviously in the case of Buddhists the irony is particularly sad.

Wednesday, March 13, 2013

Blogger Jayarava said...

नमस्ते अश्वमित्र

"What if God was one of us? Just a slob like one of us? Just a stranger on the bus, trying to make his way home?" :-)

It hits us hard because we are naive. The loss of naivety is generally painful. Robert Bly used to say that "naivety demands betrayal"; that we lose our naivety by having our expectations betrayed. Navigating the world in a naive way can only lead to betrayal. We can react with cyncism or with understanding. Cynicism is just as bad as naivety for distorting our expectations of the world. Understanding allows us to be realistic about ourself and about others.

Questions are raised. What is it about "transcendence" that draws us in? Why is it that we think 'I' of all people ought to be the one to attain it? Why are we angry with others when our own Romanticism is exposed as fraudulent?

What is different about Buddhism is not Buddhists. Buddhists are, as you say, just arseholes like you and me. But every now and then one or other of them -- 1 in a 1000 -- will show me a possibility I had not conceived of before. And then there is the practice. Practice brings new experiences. Such experiences as I find facinating and compelling in themselves. Part of that practice is dealing with people. Hell is other people, but so is Heaven.

There might well be a dispproportionate number of wounded people amongst the religious. How could it be otherwise, as we are the ones who are unhappy with life? And member is open to anyone who wants to join! But there is also a disaproportionate number of sane and admirable people as well. People I really admire and would want to emulate.

My experience of meditation over 20 years is that it really does change people. I've seen people radically change in the course of one meditation; or over the course of a weekend retreat. I watched people grow and develop over decades. I find it inspiring and uplifting. I see people becoming more of themselves, stretching out to fill there potential. This is especially true amongst the new Buddhists in India. And yes within all of this have been hard times, painful times, and plenty of arseholes. I've been accused of being an arsehole myself. Such is life.

Wednesday, March 13, 2013

OpenID meaningness said...

Hey, I just discovered that you are blogging again! I lost track after you dropped off the net for a while. Very glad you are back.

I liked this piece particularly, along with "Supernatural Disenchantment."

Tuesday, March 26, 2013

Blogger Jayarava said...

Hi David

Thanks. I've been a bit up and down this year, and as you know I have a love/hate relationship with the internet. But graphomania took hold again. Not sure how regularly I'll be writing, but I have a few ideas...

Jayarava

Tuesday, March 26, 2013

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