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Anonymous Will said...

I had no idea Ms. T. Turner was as Buddhist.

Anyway, I agree wholeheartedly that admirable qualities (always assuming that we are admiring the right ones!!!) are what we need and that virtues should be acknowledged, cultivated, guarded. I'd also agree that excessive devotion is something of a problem.

However, I'd disagree however that it is a Western problem or one that can be put in purely psychological terms. Many of the traditions of Buddhism have tended to favour this kind of excessive devotion, and what I worry about is how the power structures of Buddhist institutions - East and West - can at times obscure the essential humanity of those in positions of authority. This leads to all kinds of problems, problems which have been apparent for some time in the various kinds of Buddhism of the West but which have not yet, I think, been sufficiently addressed elsewhere in the Buddhist world.

It is vitally important that we don't succumb to the cynical negativity that claims all apparent virtue is some kind of hidden vice and that denigrates the wisdom and kindness that we all so desperately need. At the same time, I think it is also important that we see wisdom and kindness within the context of what are, in the end, human lives that consist of what are, no doubt, human struggles.

As for Tina, I have no idea what she thinks about all of this...

All the best,

Will

Wednesday, March 22, 2006

Blogger Jayarava said...

Hi Will,

Thanks for your typically incisive comments. I agree that the problem of excessive devotion is not soley a western one, nor should it bee seen in purely psychological terms. I give myself 1000 words and a deadline and do the best I can, but often I end up over simplifying everything so that I can say something!

I think I write to my own situation - a Kiwi (from the far East!) living in Britain and practising what is ostensibly a western form of Buddhism. I'm well versed in the language of psychology and probably so is my audience. Maybe I should make more effort to express things in Dharmic terms, but sometimes I feel that the Dharma assumes a lot, and that we don't quite live up to that.

That said I can think of one or two Pali texts which might help to explicate us from psychological language - hopefully I'l; find time to follow this up and do Dharma version. The Buddha frequently directs us back to experience, and that seems to be the crus of dealing with heros. We have to experience them and ourselves as fully as possible, and just to see what is there, and what is not.

I agree about cynicism - the besetting sin of our times perhaps.

Thanks again for taking the time to read and comment on my blog :)

Jayarava

Thursday, March 23, 2006

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow! 1000 words and a deadline? That's discipline.

I'll keep on reading. And if you are ever in Brum, let me know in advance and we must go and drink coffee somewhere.

W

Tuesday, March 28, 2006

Blogger Sabio Lantz said...

It seems you are saying the "Hero" image can be a two-edged sword: to lift up to higher ideals and to be a source of dependence and self-deception.
Indeed I see that.
This post reminds me of the rightful criticisms of the "Great Man Theory of History".

Tuesday, November 02, 2010

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