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Anonymous Pema said...

I like R.D. Laing. "Insanity - a perfectly rational adjustment to an insane world" is attributed to him, also.

Thursday, March 09, 2006

Anonymous Will said...

You are certainly right that "ego" in the sense we understand it - or fail to understand it (I don't know what an ego actually is and I find the language of "ego" baffling and strange, but then I find Freud baffling and strange...) - is hardly denied by the Pali texts. Gombrich points out that the no-self doctrine is a specific denial of something that "few westerners have ever believed in and most have never even heard of" (How Buddhism Began. p. 16) It does seem to me that, as you say, it is the processes of self-preoccupation - of "I-making" and "mine-making" - that are the real problem.

However, I am less sure about your references to virile myths of "masters" and "spirtual heroes" in the "old stories". Stories, after all, are stories - they are not necessarily histories - and I am far from clear that in general terms we are any worse off (or better off) as practitioners than any of our forebears. Arrested development... infantile bahviour... I simply don't see things in these terms. But then, as I've said,I find Freud baffling and strange.

All the best,

Will

Friday, March 10, 2006

Blogger Jayarava said...

Hi Will,

The argument about Atman rages on. I haven't read the Gombrich thing, but I have been reading the Veda Samhitas and the Upanishads a bit lately as research for my book. Atman is not a straight forward easy concept - it's slippery and changes over time. And no we haven't ever believed anything like that. I think we also mistranslate anatman most of the time.

I'm being a bit tricky in this post. I write about Freud to emphasise the fact the use of the word 'ego' has a technical sense which most people, especially Buddhists, ignore. I think Freud was bonkers, but he was influential, and the whole thing of using Latin terms for mental processes was interesting. Ego is one of those over used terms. It's not as though it's a good translation for any Buddhist technical term, it doesn't work as a translation for Atman for instance.

I don't disagree with the thing about the heros of the past. In a way I think you are right to question the authenticity of those stories - if that's what you were doing. Many people see them as models for behaviour. They hear stories about Hakuin or Milarepa and they think that we should all try to emulate the stories. But in practice most of us are just too unintegrated to even attempt it. I know for myself that just trying to cement a place in the human realm takes up most of my practice time - just trying not to act like a hungry ghost, or an asura, or just giving into animal passions, and even at times spending time in the hell realms. (I don't get much deva time...) So I can read about Hakuin, but what does that mean in relation to my life? I need exemplars a bit closer to home. I might write something on my hero's and why they inspire me.

Thanks for reading - I find ThinkBuddha.org inspiring.

Saturday, March 11, 2006

Anonymous Will said...

I look forward to reading about heroes. I'm probably with Tina Turner in this respect. "We don't need another hero..."
But Tina & I are willing to be talked round.

Keep on blogging.

W

Saturday, March 11, 2006

Blogger Jayarava said...

For another view on this try Bhikkhu Thanissaro's talk The Problem of Egolessness. I found this quite illuminating.

Monday, November 03, 2008

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