I'm glad you commented. I tend to only see this from the American point of view. Your point of view expands my understanding of the idiocy that is the Obama policy.
If Turkey gains admission to the EU we are fucked. If the Europeans were to be polled on whether they want Turkey in the EU my guess is there would be an overwhelming no. The Germans in particular have had enough of the Turks,with the accompanying rising rapes and other crimes plus their Islamic demands. And the French don't want them either. I'm talking about the people here, not the politicians. Although Sarkosy has said no to Turkey, but he can't be trusted.
Obama should keep out of this. If he likes the Turks so much ( and they are not nice people) you can have them.
Americans remain unsure of what to make of Islam even as most people in the United States think Obama should seek better relations with the Muslim world, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll.
Americans are unsure about Islam because so many Moslems, particularly the Arab ones, are friendly and hospitable people.
Sometimes they are friendly so as to promote one's "reversion" to Islam.
But let the percentage of Moslems get higher in a Western naton, and another side of these very same Moslems will reveal itself as they see themselves as appointed to promote the will of Allah.
Didn't GWB also insist that we are not at war with Islam? I know that he insisted that "we all worship the same God."
I recall that some Republicans refused to criticize GWB for his statements. And, of course, now that BHO has spoken, the Dems won't criticize him. Indeed, people don't want to believe that Islam itself could be the root of the problem, perhaps because courses in comparative religions teach that all religions speak to the good in mankind.
Courses in comparative religions have been widely taken since the 1960s. I think that it's possible that getting through about Islam itself will require discussing some very ugly material.
no this is not JUST Obama's lack. Bush failed strategically to define the problem on day one
He didn't even have to CLAIM Islam was at war with us.
All he had to do was ask a few objectively balanced questions.
Then keep asking at each incident ...
Where are the americans who happen to be muslim showing their complete disgust and contempt? We know you are out there. We know your consciences are REVOLTED. WHY don't we see you?
This is Bush's failure far more than Obama's. But very soon now, it will be all on Obee
In parliament, president calls for greater partnership with Islamic world
ANKARA, Turkey - Barack Obama, making his first visit to a Muslim nation as president, declared Monday the United States "is not at war with Islam" and called for a greater partnership with the Islamic world.
Addressing the Turkish parliament, Obama called the country an important U.S. ally in many areas, including the fight against terrorism. He devoted much of his speech to urging a greater bond between Americans and Muslims, portraying terrorist groups such as al Qaida as extremists who did not represent the vast majority of Muslims.
"Let me say this as clearly as I can," Obama said. "The United States is not at war with Islam. In fact, our partnership with the Muslim world is critical in rolling back a fringe ideology that people of all faiths reject."
Al Jazeera and Al Arabiyia, two of the biggest Arabic satellite channels, carried Obama's speech live.
'Not at war with Islam'
Obama acknowledged in his speech that relations between the United States and the Muslim world has been strained. So he said, "Let me say this as clearly as I can: The United States is not at war with Islam."
(Someone better tell the muslim world who has been at war with us since 1979. What the fuck was 9/11? An Air Traffic Controller mistake? THIS MAN WILL GET US ALL KILLED. -- mr)
In fact, Obama said, the partnership between the U.S. and the Muslim world is critical in rolling back what he called a fringe ideology that people of all faiths reject.
"America's relationship with the Muslim world cannot and will not be based on opposition to al Qaida," he said. "We seek broad engagement based upon mutual interests and mutual respect." "We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over so many centuries to shape the world for the better, including my own country," Obama said.
Obama also said, to a round of applause, that the United States supports Turkey becoming a member of the European Union.
Tribute to nation's founder
Earlier on Monday, Obama paid tribute to the memory of modern Turkey's founding father. "I'm honored to pay tribute to his name," Obama said at wreath-laying ceremony during a morning visit to the tomb of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.
The tomb is a large limestone, columned complex on the top of a high hill with a dramatic view of Turkey's capital city.
Obama stood at a podium and wrote in a guest book for nearly four minutes.
Obama's visit is being closely watched by an Islamic world that harbored deep distrust of his predecessor, George W. Bush.
Obama was spending two days in Turkey as he wraps up an event-packed, eight-day international trip that also saw stops in Britain, France, Germany and the Czech Republic.
In his inaugural address in January, Obama pledged to reach out to the Muslim world. At a luncheon Sunday for leaders of the European Union's 27 nations in Prague, he said the West should seek greater cooperation and closer ties with Islamic nations. He suggested one way was by allowing Turkey to join the European Union — a contentious subject for some European countries. French President Nicolas Sarkozy said after Obama's remarks that the decision was the EU's to make, not Washington's.
Turkey is a member of both the G-20 and NATO and is trying to get into the EU with the help of the United States.
‘Great advantage’
Turkey has the largest army in NATO after the United States. It and tiny Albania, recently admitted, are the only predominate Muslim members of NATO.
"Obama starts with a great advantage because his name is not George Bush," said Bulent Aliriza, director of the Turkey Project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a Washington-based think tank.
While Bush was extremely unpopular in Turkey and the Islamic world, "there's a sense of goodwill toward the United States — and particularly toward President Obama. And the entire Islamic world will be watching" Monday's speech to the Turkish Grand National Assembly, Aliriza said.
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Close this window Jump to comment formHe only want to put the mess in EU.
Our ancesters fought so badly against these Muslims since centuries... and we should open our doors now?
Monday, April 06, 2009 4:40:00 pm
I'm glad you commented. I tend to only see this from the American point of view. Your point of view expands my understanding of the idiocy that is the Obama policy.
Monday, April 06, 2009 4:51:00 pm
If Turkey gains admission to the EU we are fucked. If the Europeans were to be polled on whether they want Turkey in the EU my guess is there would be an overwhelming no. The Germans in particular have had enough of the Turks,with the accompanying rising rapes and other crimes plus their Islamic demands. And the French don't want them either. I'm talking about the people here, not the politicians. Although Sarkosy has said no to Turkey, but he can't be trusted.
Obama should keep out of this. If he likes the Turks so much ( and they are not nice people) you can have them.
Monday, April 06, 2009 6:02:00 pm
Americans remain unsure of what to make of Islam even as most people in the United States think Obama should seek better relations with the Muslim world, according to a Washington Post-ABC News poll.
Americans are unsure about Islam because so many Moslems, particularly the Arab ones, are friendly and hospitable people.
Sometimes they are friendly so as to promote one's "reversion" to Islam.
But let the percentage of Moslems get higher in a Western naton, and another side of these very same Moslems will reveal itself as they see themselves as appointed to promote the will of Allah.
Monday, April 06, 2009 6:17:00 pm
Didn't GWB also insist that we are not at war with Islam? I know that he insisted that "we all worship the same God."
I recall that some Republicans refused to criticize GWB for his statements. And, of course, now that BHO has spoken, the Dems won't criticize him. Indeed, people don't want to believe that Islam itself could be the root of the problem, perhaps because courses in comparative religions teach that all religions speak to the good in mankind.
Courses in comparative religions have been widely taken since the 1960s. I think that it's possible that getting through about Islam itself will require discussing some very ugly material.
Monday, April 06, 2009 6:26:00 pm
Yes we are not at war with Islam.. this is so, a FACT.
The reverse is not something I think would stand up to any scrutiny.
It is
They are
Monday, April 06, 2009 6:46:00 pm
You know, Epa. You're absolutely correct. We're slapping hands and they have us lined up in the crosshairs.
AoW -- he did. Sept 17(18?)2001. "Islam is a religion of peace"
Monday, April 06, 2009 7:52:00 pm
Ray Boyd,
I have trouble trusting Sarkozy since he said that Arabic is the language of the future.
Monday, April 06, 2009 7:53:00 pm
AOW, Epa, and MR,
Obama is not far from the Bush admin on this, is he?
Monday, April 06, 2009 7:54:00 pm
no this is not JUST Obama's lack. Bush failed strategically to define the problem on day one
He didn't even have to CLAIM Islam was at war with us.
All he had to do was ask a few objectively balanced questions.
Then keep asking at each incident ...
Where are the americans who happen to be muslim showing their complete disgust and contempt?
We know you are out there.
We know your consciences are REVOLTED.
WHY don't we see you?
This is Bush's failure far more than Obama's. But very soon now, it will be all on Obee
Monday, April 06, 2009 8:00:00 pm
Those are great questions, Epa.
Monday, April 06, 2009 8:05:00 pm