****if I am reading the tea leaves correctly, it appears Erdogan revised the Constitution and replaced key military heads to accomodate reIslamization of Turkey. The above links suggest the moderates in the military (Kemalists) have taken over
AOW, the Turkish Military is like a secular business friendly militia.
Our relations were a lot better with Turkey in the past when the military was in charge.
The electorate in Turkey, like in Egypt, Iraq, and every other place Muslims have been allowed to vote, are overlay persuaded by the Cleric.
If fact this is not much different than what went down in Egypt recently.
Every Turk I've ever ran across on the Internets has been a anti-American asshole btw.
As a whole they're still having a hard time getting their minds around the fact that their time as an influential empire is over and it aint coming back.
The Turkish military understands this though. They wouldn't have destabilized Syria.
It seems the military opposition might have miscalculated support for the coup. If their was support for overthrowing the government, this would be finished by now. But it seems not.
Quote===>. "Erdogan called the coup a "gift from God" because it will help Turkey clean out the military from the "members of this gang." The timing of the coup was "meaningful," because the military will start meetings in the beginning of August, and those who staged the coup were afraid of the decisions that would be made at those meetings, Erdogan said. This is not old Turkey," he said. "This is new Turkey."<=== http://abcnews.go.com/International/attempted-military-coup-underway-turkey/story?id=40618135
Sorry AOW I've been away. Thanks Redneck for explaining.
But yeah, military = good guys, like in Egypt.
However, after watching the news and assessing how things panned out: This may have been a staged coup by Erdogan himself.
1) Poorly executed coup.
2) They got control of communications, released statement via state TV and then without anyone fighting them for a while they lost control and went black. Makes no sense. The only sources releasing statements were pro Erdogan.
3) Erdogan was always out of harm's way. He was on vacation when the coup started. His hotel was bombed AFTER he left. Sure, "my house magically caught on fire a minute AFTER I insured it against fire damage."
4) Istanbul was overtaken by a handful of soldiers when that is the biggest city in Turkey.
5) Intelligence agency of Turkey seems to have been in full control of the communications from the start. They slowly released sound bites to guide the situation.
6) Erdogan lands in Istanbul, holds a press conference and then goes out and speaks to people using a megaphone. No hint of worry, no hint of beefed up security. Its as if he was holding a planned rally.
etc
The only person who gains anything from it is Erdogan. Now he can use this to gain authoritarian powers in Turkey and establish Shariah once and for all and clean military of any and all secular folks (he already replaced the high command).
Still early and I could be wrong but I fear I am not and I fear Turkey is a completely lost cause.
Saturday, July 16, 2016 3:28:00 am
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Photo credit: NBC 7 San Diego
There has definitely been a coup attempt. It is unclear who has control.
CNN: Turkish military units attempt uprising, PM says. A report from the U.S. Embassy in Ankara said military-appearing jets had been flying low over the city and Istanbul for about an hour.
Tanks and troops in the streets.
Bridges blocked.
State television appears not to be broadcasting.
No flights in or out.
Internet shut down.
Erdogan is out of the country and seeking asylum in Germany.
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RT: Breaking...Helicopter seen shooting state broadcaster's HQ in Ankara, explosions heard
Seems Erdogan was caught with his pants down... Senior US military source tells NBCNews that Erdogan, refused landing rights in Istanbul, is reported to be seeking asylum in Germany
Turkish news agency reports Chief of Turkish Army and other generals have been taken hostage
But there's a lot more Islamist citizens in Turkey now than there was last time, or the time before that, or the time before that.
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CNN: LIVE video of shooting in Istanbul
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... The Turkish Military is like a secular business friendly militia.
Our relations were a lot better with Turkey in the past when the military was in charge.
The electorate in Turkey, like in Egypt, Iraq, and every other place Muslims have been allowed to vote, are overlay persuaded by the Cleric.
If fact this is not much different than what went down in Egypt recently.
Every Turk I've ever ran across on the Internets has been a anti-American asshole btw.
As a whole they're still having a hard time getting their minds around the fact that their time as an influential empire is over and it aint coming back.
The Turkish military understands this though. They wouldn't have destabilized Syria.
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Video of tank pushing civilian vehicles out of its way
..... And the timing of this coincides with Ergodan (and thus Turkey's) defacto loss in Syria..... courtesy of Turkey's historical enemy Russia.
Misadventure has it's consequences.
It seems the military opposition might have miscalculated support for the coup. If their was support for overthrowing the government, this would be finished by now. But it seems not.
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AFP: #BREAKING: Plane carrying Erdogan set to land at Istanbul airport: presidential source ---------
#Coup Jet just bombed Ataturk Airport -------
BREAKING: Erdogan emerges in Istanbul Airport surrounded by supporters
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Coup in Turkey– Obama Sides With Islamist Erdogan Government Over Moderates
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Turkish Parliament bombed
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Quote===>. "Erdogan called the coup a "gift from God" because it will help Turkey clean out the military from the "members of this gang." The timing of the coup was "meaningful," because the military will start meetings in the beginning of August, and those who staged the coup were afraid of the decisions that would be made at those meetings, Erdogan said. This is not old Turkey," he said. "This is new Turkey."<===
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Close this window Jump to comment formMilitary is in control apparently. If that is the case...ABOUT FRIGGIN TIME!
Friday, July 15, 2016 10:35:00 pm
Nico,
What does this change mean? Help me out here.
Friday, July 15, 2016 11:01:00 pm
RT: Breaking...Helicopter seen shooting state broadcaster's HQ in Ankara, explosions heard
Seems Erdogan was caught with his pants down...
Senior US military source tells NBCNews that Erdogan, refused landing rights in Istanbul, is reported to be seeking asylum in Germany
Turkish news agency reports Chief of Turkish Army and other generals have been taken hostage
****if I am reading the tea leaves correctly, it appears Erdogan revised the Constitution and replaced key military heads to accomodate reIslamization of Turkey. The above links suggest the moderates in the military (Kemalists) have taken over
Friday, July 15, 2016 11:23:00 pm
http://www.rt.com/news/351345-turkey-coup-military-ankara/
22:09 GMT
Turkish Justice Minister reportedly blames the coup on members of a movement loyal to US-based cleric Mohammed Gulen.
Friday, July 15, 2016 11:27:00 pm
https://twitter.com/TravelGov/status/754075477241888770
Travel - State Dept Verified account
@TravelGov
Continue to shelter in place in #Turkey. Do not attempt to go to US Embassy or Consulates at this time. http://ow.ly/vTPS302isEt
Friday, July 15, 2016 11:30:00 pm
NBC reporting that President Erdogan's asylum request has been rejected by the Germans, he is thought to be flying to London
Friday, July 15, 2016 11:34:00 pm
This is a welcomed return to normal.
But there's a lot more Islamist citizens in Turkey now than there was last time, or the time before that, or the time before that.
Friday, July 15, 2016 11:51:00 pm
CNN: LIVE video of shooting in Istanbul
Friday, July 15, 2016 11:52:00 pm
AOW, the Turkish Military is like a secular business friendly militia.
Our relations were a lot better with Turkey in the past when the military was in charge.
The electorate in Turkey, like in Egypt, Iraq, and every other place Muslims have been allowed to vote, are overlay persuaded by the Cleric.
If fact this is not much different than what went down in Egypt recently.
Every Turk I've ever ran across on the Internets has been a anti-American asshole btw.
As a whole they're still having a hard time getting their minds around the fact that their time as an influential empire is over and it aint coming back.
The Turkish military understands this though. They wouldn't have destabilized Syria.
Saturday, July 16, 2016 12:15:00 am
https://mobile.twitter.com/Breaking911/status/754085119254728704?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Video of tank pushing civilian vehicles out of its way
Saturday, July 16, 2016 12:23:00 am
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Saturday, July 16, 2016 12:28:00 am
..... And the timing of this coincides with Ergodan (and thus Turkey's) defacto loss in Syria..... courtesy of Turkey's historical enemy Russia.
Misadventure has it's consequences.
Saturday, July 16, 2016 12:32:00 am
Russia gotta be behind this.
Saturday, July 16, 2016 12:43:00 am
Thanks, Nico.
Saturday, July 16, 2016 12:49:00 am
Thanks, Redneck Texan.
Saturday, July 16, 2016 12:52:00 am
It seems the military opposition might have miscalculated support for the coup. If their was support for overthrowing the government, this would be finished by now. But it seems not.
Saturday, July 16, 2016 1:26:00 am
THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO HAS LEFT LINKS.
AOW, MR, AND I WERE ALL OUT ON BUSINESS TODAY.
I JUST RETURNED AND STARTED POSTING THE LINKS.
TRULY APPRECIATE YOUR HELP.
Saturday, July 16, 2016 1:35:00 am
AFP: #BREAKING: Plane carrying Erdogan set to land at Istanbul airport: presidential source
Saturday, July 16, 2016 2:19:00 am
#Coup Jet just bombed Ataturk Airport
Saturday, July 16, 2016 2:22:00 am
BREAKING: Erdogan emerges in Istanbul Airport surrounded by supporters
Saturday, July 16, 2016 2:31:00 am
Turkish Parliament bombed
Saturday, July 16, 2016 2:50:00 am
Quote===>. "Erdogan called the coup a "gift from God" because it will help Turkey clean out the military from the "members of this gang." The timing of the coup was "meaningful," because the military will start meetings in the beginning of August, and those who staged the coup were afraid of the decisions that would be made at those meetings, Erdogan said.
This is not old Turkey," he said. "This is new Turkey."<===
http://abcnews.go.com/International/attempted-military-coup-underway-turkey/story?id=40618135
Saturday, July 16, 2016 2:57:00 am
https://mobile.twitter.com/intlspectator/status/754128119896825856
The Int'l Spectator @intlspectator
BREAKING: Erdogan's hotel room, where he was spending his vacation, was bombed by coup plotters
Saturday, July 16, 2016 3:12:00 am
Sorry AOW I've been away. Thanks Redneck for explaining.
But yeah, military = good guys, like in Egypt.
However, after watching the news and assessing how things panned out: This may have been a staged coup by Erdogan himself.
1) Poorly executed coup.
2) They got control of communications, released statement via state TV and then without anyone fighting them for a while they lost control and went black. Makes no sense. The only sources releasing statements were pro Erdogan.
3) Erdogan was always out of harm's way. He was on vacation when the coup started. His hotel was bombed AFTER he left. Sure, "my house magically caught on fire a minute AFTER I insured it against fire damage."
4) Istanbul was overtaken by a handful of soldiers when that is the biggest city in Turkey.
5) Intelligence agency of Turkey seems to have been in full control of the communications from the start. They slowly released sound bites to guide the situation.
6) Erdogan lands in Istanbul, holds a press conference and then goes out and speaks to people using a megaphone. No hint of worry, no hint of beefed up security. Its as if he was holding a planned rally.
etc
The only person who gains anything from it is Erdogan. Now he can use this to gain authoritarian powers in Turkey and establish Shariah once and for all and clean military of any and all secular folks (he already replaced the high command).
Still early and I could be wrong but I fear I am not and I fear Turkey is a completely lost cause.
Saturday, July 16, 2016 3:28:00 am