Thank you for the expanded explanation of taqiyya- carol-CS
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 1:01:00 am
Anonymous said...
Excellent synopsis. FWIW, as I was reading this piece, I couldn't help but recognize Imam Rauf in the following characterization. . . : “Lying and cheating in the Arab world is not really a moral matter but a method of safeguarding honour and status, avoiding shame, and at all times exploiting possibilities, for those with the wit and cunning for it, deftly and expeditiously to convert shame into honour on their own account and vice versa for the opponents. If honour so demands it, lies and cheating may become absolute imperatives.” . . .given, Alleged mortgage fraud, housing funds ". . . He reportedly received $80,000 in city funds, $384,000 from the Union City’s Community Development Agency, $1.3 million in construction loans from the Hudson County’s affordable-housing trust fund, and $630,900 from the state. . .Rauf’s one time business partner James Cockinos sued him in 2008, alleging fraud, according to his Attorney Richard Rosa. According to Rosa, 14 years ago Rauf received a $250,000 mortgage for the building from Cockinos, which he paid dutifully for 11 years. The suit alleged that without telling Cockinos, Rauf transferred ownership to Sage Developments and obtained a $650,000 mortgage on the same building. Then after the building was damaged by a fire, Rauf and Khan stopped making payments and Cockinos tried to foreclose on the property, only to learn the building’s ownership had changed.. . ."
Yet all too many are eager to believe this charlatan.
All true. The grossly overinflated sense of "honor" drives them to kill daughters who look at a boy and get revenge for all manner of slights regardless of cost.
Combine this with religious chauvenism and you have a dangerously imbalanced culture that can never learn a lesson.
Add in Taqiyya (sounds like a Mexican snack!) and you have a treacherous group to try and befriend. They are also very good at getting others to fight their battles for them.
The Shia got us to take out Saddam, and Saudi-funded Sunni terrorists got us to inflame the entire Pashtun belt.
For this reason we need to stop messing around over there and let them get back to what they do best: killing one another.
What about the oil? Bah! Whatever gang of murderous thieves ends up owning it will have to sell it on the open market. Even Chavez sells his oil to the land of sulfur and cowboys.
...and that's not a knock on the military. I was over there
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 2:39:00 am
Anonymous said...
It still amazes me how 9-11 was effective in inspiring terror.
What most people don't seem to realize, though, is that themselves sometimes play a big role in helping it to to last and even propagate with all the "good work" they think they're doing by promoting their own interpretations of what a "real muslim is", or how one was really supposed to be according to his own interpretations of islam -- promoting prejudice against moderate muslims.
Thinking it somehow helps fight terrorism, even though it's just a lot of rants and on the internet, which not only will not, of course, hinder any actual terrorist attack in any way, but also just keeps the fear alive. At the same time that the real menace has been astoundingly smaller.
Those people who, understandably traumatized by 9-11, try to "fight terrorism" with blogs like this would perhaps have helped to save more lives during this period if instead they've been saying about the importance of wearing the seat belt, having air bags, paying attention to children at the pools, and things like that.
These are things that annually kill many more people than the 9-11-2001 attacks, at the same time that, since then, at least in America, only about 150 people died from terrorist acts.
I hope no one feels offended by that, that's not my intention at all. I've once read something about a polemic about some ad about safety on the traffic that compared the annual death toll in car accidents with the 9-11 attacks, picturing many more planes diving into the city, about to crash, and it was not used because it was deemed offensive. But the fact is that it would be a more realistic thing to fear, that took many more lives than terrorism, at least in American ground.
Not only the whole fear mongering and promotion of crooked reasoning prejudices against muslims makes anyone not even just a little bit safer in the real world, but is damaging in itself -- which is obvious as one understands that it does not amount to anything more than that, groundless fears (or at least fears that shouldn't be the main worries of anyone) and prejudice against people who are just trying to live their lives, doing no harm, but are made to feel a sense of unconditional condemnation. Not only people expect that muslims appear on tv or go from door to door explaining they're not radicals, but when someone actually manages to get more mainstream media attention and say that, then there will be those ready to point that's all a lie, according to some obscure arab term they've read about (and the source is above any doubt), which implies that all the 1.6 billion of muslims, making up 70% of Asia's population (what? not Middle East? How come most terrorists were not Asians?), are all just closet terrorists.
Yet, despite of being so numerous, and having existed far before 2001, they somehow didn't seemed to be such an imminent menace to the civilized world. Not long ago, the civilized world almost got into ruins in the hands of Positive Christians, but everybody forgets that. Surprisingly, even atheists, who are quick to post pictures of christian priests making the nazi salute (taqiyya, anyone?) and to point to Hitler speeches agaisnt atheism, and who surprisingly seldom seem to remember of McCarthyism. Or perhaps they do, but they just feel good that, this time, they're not the target, but just "a religion", so it's a chance, perhaps to help extinguishing an irrational belief, bringing the world one step closer to the paradise of the reign of reason. [continues]
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 6:37:00 am
Anonymous said...
People, the followers of the religion, don't seem to be much on the minds of anyone. This religion's power of zombiefication is so strong that it's totally different from the religiousness of other people, normal people, religions which we may have had once, and which perhaps most of our friends and family still have. Well, there might have been a freak or two that shared these beliefs, but that does not mean anything, since, most people we know are pretty much normal, and they follow this religion. But them in the other hand, they appear in the news, yelling, with their weird costumes (I don't know anyone who looks like them!), and there are these pictures of these guys with signs (signs apparently painted by the same person) sayng "behead those who insult islam". And these pictures, they're everywhere! Well, I don't know how many years these pictures have, but sure, if they're being shown over and over, there must be many, many of them, making radical protests, re-utilizing the same signs. They must be sparing money for bombs.
Mmmph, I've wrote too much. The whole thing just makes me very disappointed. When I think what the situation is now, and what it could be, if the fear mongerers hadn't being able to make a living out of "denouncing" terrorism/islam, if other voices could have shouted louder a message of tolerance instead of prejudice... the whole scenario would be much better, for everyone. No groundless fears. No burden of prejudice for innocent families and individuals of minorities. And no division between Americans, muslim-americans or otherwise.
What a defeat would that have been for Bin Laden.
The false islam of those who live among infidels and don't accept their jihad would still be there, as an insult. And now, more accepted. And America, as a whole, would have recovered well, and perhaps strongly, from the most violent blow it suffered in recent history. And perhaps, as a final act of humiliation, a few blocks away from his "masterpiece", false-muslims and infidels would congregate in that sinful "YMMA".
Unfortunately, that's now how the history went about.
But... not all hope is gone. There are some people making an extra effort, like something I saw, a priest welcoming a new mosque around his neighborhood or something. I think... or at least I hope... that eventually reason and tolerance will prevail.
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 6:39:00 am
Anonymous said...
[first part]
It still amazes me how 9-11 was effective in inspiring terror.
What most people don't seem to realize, though, is that themselves sometimes play a big role in helping it to to last and even propagate with all the "good work" they think they're doing by promoting their own interpretations of what a "real muslim is", or how one was really supposed to be according to his own interpretations of islam -- promoting prejudice against moderate muslims.
Thinking it somehow helps fight terrorism, even though it's just a lot of rants and on the internet, which not only will not, of course, hinder any actual terrorist attack in any way, but also just keeps the fear alive. At the same time that the real menace has been astoundingly smaller.
Those people who, understandably traumatized by 9-11, try to "fight terrorism" with blogs like this would perhaps have helped to save more lives during this period if instead they've been saying about the importance of wearing the seat belt, having air bags, paying attention to children at the pools, and things like that.
These are things that annually kill many more people than the 9-11-2001 attacks, at the same time that, since then, at least in America, only about 150 people died from terrorist acts.
I hope no one feels offended by that, that's not my intention at all. I've once read something about a polemic about some ad about safety on the traffic that compared the annual death toll in car accidents with the 9-11 attacks, picturing many more planes diving into the city, about to crash, and it was not used because it was deemed offensive. But the fact is that it would be a more realistic thing to fear, that took many more lives than terrorism, at least in American ground.
Not only the whole fear mongering and promotion of crooked reasoning prejudices against muslims makes anyone not even just a little bit safer in the real world, but is damaging in itself -- which is obvious as one understands that it does not amount to anything more than that, groundless fears (or at least fears that shouldn't be the main worries of anyone) and prejudice against people who are just trying to live their lives, doing no harm, but are made to feel a sense of unconditional condemnation. Not only people expect that muslims appear on tv or go from door to door explaining they're not radicals, but when someone actually manages to get more mainstream media attention and say that, then there will be those ready to point that's all a lie, according to some obscure arab term they've read about (and the source is above any doubt), which implies that all the 1.6 billion of muslims, making up 70% of Asia's population (what? not Middle East? How come most terrorists were not Asians?), are all just closet terrorists.
Yet, despite of being so numerous, and having existed far before 2001, they somehow didn't seemed to be such an imminent menace to the civilized world. Not long ago, the civilized world almost got into ruins in the hands of Positive Christians, but everybody forgets that. Surprisingly, even atheists, who are quick to post pictures of christian priests making the nazi salute (taqiyya, anyone?) and to point to Hitler speeches agaisnt atheism, and who surprisingly seldom seem to remember of McCarthyism. Or perhaps they do, but they just feel good that, this time, they're not the target, but just "a religion", so it's a chance, perhaps to help extinguishing an irrational belief, bringing the world one step closer to the paradise of the reign of reason.
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 6:42:00 am
revereridesagain said...
Anonymous, a.k.a. Asshole:
How about if your MUSLIM friends had risen up by the millions to "denounce terrorism/islam" or whatever the hell you think you are saying? But no, in your fuzzy little brain it's just us "fear-mongers" causing all the trouble. Go back to sleep, little one, and stop bothering the grown-ups.
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 12:35:00 pm
revereridesagain said...
The site address for Trencherbone's "Everything you need to know about Islam" is http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/everything-you-need-to-know-about-islam.html
It sounds like Anonymous has been smoking too many Bibles.
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 1:19:00 pm
Continuing to work my way through Trencherbone's excellent "Understanding Islam" series I discovered this gem on the history of Mohammed and the origins and purpose of taqiyya.
During the first 13 years that Mohammed preached Islam in Mecca, his approach was peaceful and conciliatory. He gained barely 100 followers. But after Mohammed established himself in Medina he met with 75 Medinans and formed a group known as ‘The Pledge of War’. This group began the tribal activity of ‘razzias’ or caravan raids, basically pirate raids for spoils such as goods, animals, slaves and ransom. They were very "successful" and as Mohammed's reputation as a ruthless warrior grew, converts flocked to Islam. Not surprisingly, he decided that this was a far more reliable and efficient way of expanding his new religion.
The question naturally arises: If Mohammed was the "perfect man" to be emulated in all ways, what Muslim can justify choosing to live a "moderate" life in peace with his kuffar neighbors, when the Prophet's example demonstrates that war, terror, savagery, rapaciousness, force, and humiliation is the "proper" stance of the true Muslim towards the Dar-al-Harb?
However, since this approach does not go down as well in the modern world as it did amongst the desert savages of the Dark Ages, modern Muslims increasingly rely on the "cultural tradition" known as "taqiyya".
The Islamic Principle of Taqiyya
In order to understand the Islamic mind we have to understand the Arab Bedouin Tribal culture. This is a culture based upon tribalism and the hard nomadic values of tribal warfare by raiding neighbouring villages and taking over their women and children as slaves and concubines, their possessions, their stock and their grazing lands and killing their men with the exception of those who would accept Islam. The people are mainly illiterate, but cunning, and resourceful in order to survive. They are also extremely proud and arrogant people, especially the men. The masculine Arab culture placed a very high value on ‘honour and shame’ associated with his place in the social order of his family, his tribal group, or his society. It is important that he does not suffer ‘a loss of face’...
“Lying and cheating in the Arab world is not really a moral matter but a method of safeguarding honour and status, avoiding shame, and at all times exploiting possibilities, for those with the wit and cunning for it, deftly and expeditiously to convert shame into honour on their own account and vice versa for the opponents. If honour so demands it, lies and cheating may become absolute imperatives.”
Thus by skilful manipulations, by dissimulation, deceiving, lying, confounding, deflection of accusations, it is possible to foil or block or fend off an attack or accusation, and thus turn a humiliation into a positive outcome and the save one’s face or one’s life. This same skill is part of the tribal Bedouin life and it has been adopted into the Islamic way of life in the defence and protection of Islam. This skill is known as ‘Taqiyya’ and greatly enhances the capabilities of Muslims to defend and promote Islam. This skill, Taqiyya, comes so naturally to Muslims that they are not even aware that they are using it to communicate dissimulate Islamic information to the less informed. It is a part of their way of life since childhood. This trait can also be observed in many other cultures especially in the East.
To give a few examples of Taqiyya as an illustration, Muslims will deny that “terrorist suicide bombers killed innocent people” were Muslims who were responsible for the 9/11 attacks on the twin towers in New York. And they are right because Muslims do not approve of Suicide (Haram, so they could not have been Muslims) and wanton murder of innocent people (but Muslims do not consider non-Muslims as innocent. They are the enemy and so are legitimate targets.). So Muslims may safely say that they condemn any terrorist acts, because terrorists are not identifiable as Muslims. But Muslims knew that these were acts of Islamic Jihad, and thus were truthful in denying it was “an act of terrorism” by Muslims, because they were actually “acts of martyrdom” or Jihad not “terrorism.”
Muslims do not do “terrorism.” (Taqiyya)(Semantics) Yet this is what the Koran commands her followers:
Qur’an:8:12 “I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle.” Qur’an:8:57 “If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.”
Those who prattle about "moderate Muslims" do not understand that, in Quranic terms, "moderate Muslims" are blasphemers and apostates. If they do know anything about their own "religion", they know that the sociopathic caravan raider who formulated it established the way of terror and war as the template for his followers. But to show that face of Islam to the kuffar is to risk a breach of the compact of "multiculturalism", arouse suspicions, and cause inconveniences. So, to protect themselves, they employ taqiyya to deflect suspicion -- because, in a sense, they too must "feed the crocodile" to persuade it to eat them last.
But in this case, we kuffar are the crococile and our job is to avoid being turned into luggage before we get to the end of the buffet.
posted by revereridesagain at 23:50 on 13-Sep-2010
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carol-CS
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 1:01:00 am
Excellent synopsis. FWIW, as I was reading this piece, I couldn't help but recognize Imam Rauf in the following characterization. . . :
“Lying and cheating in the Arab world is not really a moral matter but a method of safeguarding honour and status, avoiding shame, and at all times exploiting possibilities, for those with the wit and cunning for it, deftly and expeditiously to convert shame into honour on their own account and vice versa for the opponents. If honour so demands it, lies and cheating may become absolute imperatives.”
. . .given, Alleged mortgage fraud, housing funds
". . .
He reportedly received $80,000 in city funds, $384,000 from the Union City’s Community Development Agency, $1.3 million in construction loans from the Hudson County’s affordable-housing trust fund, and $630,900 from the state.
. .Rauf’s one time business partner James Cockinos sued him in 2008, alleging fraud, according to his Attorney Richard Rosa. According to Rosa, 14 years ago Rauf received a $250,000 mortgage for the building from Cockinos, which he paid dutifully for 11 years. The suit alleged that without telling Cockinos, Rauf transferred ownership to Sage Developments and obtained a $650,000 mortgage on the same building. Then after the building was damaged by a fire, Rauf and Khan stopped making payments and Cockinos tried to foreclose on the property, only to learn the building’s ownership had changed.. . ."
Yet all too many are eager to believe this charlatan.
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 1:38:00 am
All true. The grossly overinflated sense of "honor" drives them to kill daughters who look at a boy and get revenge for all manner of slights regardless of cost.
Combine this with religious chauvenism and you have a dangerously imbalanced culture that can never learn a lesson.
Add in Taqiyya (sounds like a Mexican snack!) and you have a treacherous group to try and befriend. They are also very good at getting others to fight their battles for them.
The Shia got us to take out Saddam, and Saudi-funded Sunni terrorists got us to inflame the entire Pashtun belt.
For this reason we need to stop messing around over there and let them get back to what they do best: killing one another.
What about the oil? Bah! Whatever gang of murderous thieves ends up owning it will have to sell it on the open market. Even Chavez sells his oil to the land of sulfur and cowboys.
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 2:37:00 am
...and that's not a knock on the military. I was over there
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 2:39:00 am
It still amazes me how 9-11 was effective in inspiring terror.
What most people don't seem to realize, though, is that themselves sometimes play a big role in helping it to to last and even propagate with all the "good work" they think they're doing by promoting their own interpretations of what a "real muslim is", or how one was really supposed to be according to his own interpretations of islam -- promoting prejudice against moderate muslims.
Thinking it somehow helps fight terrorism, even though it's just a lot of rants and on the internet, which not only will not, of course, hinder any actual terrorist attack in any way, but also just keeps the fear alive. At the same time that the real menace has been astoundingly smaller.
Those people who, understandably traumatized by 9-11, try to "fight terrorism" with blogs like this would perhaps have helped to save more lives during this period if instead they've been saying about the importance of wearing the seat belt, having air bags, paying attention to children at the pools, and things like that.
These are things that annually kill many more people than the 9-11-2001 attacks, at the same time that, since then, at least in America, only about 150 people died from terrorist acts.
I hope no one feels offended by that, that's not my intention at all. I've once read something about a polemic about some ad about safety on the traffic that compared the annual death toll in car accidents with the 9-11 attacks, picturing many more planes diving into the city, about to crash, and it was not used because it was deemed offensive. But the fact is that it would be a more realistic thing to fear, that took many more lives than terrorism, at least in American ground.
Not only the whole fear mongering and promotion of crooked reasoning prejudices against muslims makes anyone not even just a little bit safer in the real world, but is damaging in itself -- which is obvious as one understands that it does not amount to anything more than that, groundless fears (or at least fears that shouldn't be the main worries of anyone) and prejudice against people who are just trying to live their lives, doing no harm, but are made to feel a sense of unconditional condemnation. Not only people expect that muslims appear on tv or go from door to door explaining they're not radicals, but when someone actually manages to get more mainstream media attention and say that, then there will be those ready to point that's all a lie, according to some obscure arab term they've read about (and the source is above any doubt), which implies that all the 1.6 billion of muslims, making up 70% of Asia's population (what? not Middle East? How come most terrorists were not Asians?), are all just closet terrorists.
Yet, despite of being so numerous, and having existed far before 2001, they somehow didn't seemed to be such an imminent menace to the civilized world. Not long ago, the civilized world almost got into ruins in the hands of Positive Christians, but everybody forgets that. Surprisingly, even atheists, who are quick to post pictures of christian priests making the nazi salute (taqiyya, anyone?) and to point to Hitler speeches agaisnt atheism, and who surprisingly seldom seem to remember of McCarthyism. Or perhaps they do, but they just feel good that, this time, they're not the target, but just "a religion", so it's a chance, perhaps to help extinguishing an irrational belief, bringing the world one step closer to the paradise of the reign of reason. [continues]
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 6:37:00 am
People, the followers of the religion, don't seem to be much on the minds of anyone. This religion's power of zombiefication is so strong that it's totally different from the religiousness of other people, normal people, religions which we may have had once, and which perhaps most of our friends and family still have. Well, there might have been a freak or two that shared these beliefs, but that does not mean anything, since, most people we know are pretty much normal, and they follow this religion. But them in the other hand, they appear in the news, yelling, with their weird costumes (I don't know anyone who looks like them!), and there are these pictures of these guys with signs (signs apparently painted by the same person) sayng "behead those who insult islam". And these pictures, they're everywhere! Well, I don't know how many years these pictures have, but sure, if they're being shown over and over, there must be many, many of them, making radical protests, re-utilizing the same signs. They must be sparing money for bombs.
Mmmph, I've wrote too much. The whole thing just makes me very disappointed. When I think what the situation is now, and what it could be, if the fear mongerers hadn't being able to make a living out of "denouncing" terrorism/islam, if other voices could have shouted louder a message of tolerance instead of prejudice... the whole scenario would be much better, for everyone. No groundless fears. No burden of prejudice for innocent families and individuals of minorities. And no division between Americans, muslim-americans or otherwise.
What a defeat would that have been for Bin Laden.
The false islam of those who live among infidels and don't accept their jihad would still be there, as an insult. And now, more accepted. And America, as a whole, would have recovered well, and perhaps strongly, from the most violent blow it suffered in recent history. And perhaps, as a final act of humiliation, a few blocks away from his "masterpiece", false-muslims and infidels would congregate in that sinful "YMMA".
Unfortunately, that's now how the history went about.
But... not all hope is gone. There are some people making an extra effort, like something I saw, a priest welcoming a new mosque around his neighborhood or something. I think... or at least I hope... that eventually reason and tolerance will prevail.
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 6:39:00 am
[first part]
It still amazes me how 9-11 was effective in inspiring terror.
What most people don't seem to realize, though, is that themselves sometimes play a big role in helping it to to last and even propagate with all the "good work" they think they're doing by promoting their own interpretations of what a "real muslim is", or how one was really supposed to be according to his own interpretations of islam -- promoting prejudice against moderate muslims.
Thinking it somehow helps fight terrorism, even though it's just a lot of rants and on the internet, which not only will not, of course, hinder any actual terrorist attack in any way, but also just keeps the fear alive. At the same time that the real menace has been astoundingly smaller.
Those people who, understandably traumatized by 9-11, try to "fight terrorism" with blogs like this would perhaps have helped to save more lives during this period if instead they've been saying about the importance of wearing the seat belt, having air bags, paying attention to children at the pools, and things like that.
These are things that annually kill many more people than the 9-11-2001 attacks, at the same time that, since then, at least in America, only about 150 people died from terrorist acts.
I hope no one feels offended by that, that's not my intention at all. I've once read something about a polemic about some ad about safety on the traffic that compared the annual death toll in car accidents with the 9-11 attacks, picturing many more planes diving into the city, about to crash, and it was not used because it was deemed offensive. But the fact is that it would be a more realistic thing to fear, that took many more lives than terrorism, at least in American ground.
Not only the whole fear mongering and promotion of crooked reasoning prejudices against muslims makes anyone not even just a little bit safer in the real world, but is damaging in itself -- which is obvious as one understands that it does not amount to anything more than that, groundless fears (or at least fears that shouldn't be the main worries of anyone) and prejudice against people who are just trying to live their lives, doing no harm, but are made to feel a sense of unconditional condemnation. Not only people expect that muslims appear on tv or go from door to door explaining they're not radicals, but when someone actually manages to get more mainstream media attention and say that, then there will be those ready to point that's all a lie, according to some obscure arab term they've read about (and the source is above any doubt), which implies that all the 1.6 billion of muslims, making up 70% of Asia's population (what? not Middle East? How come most terrorists were not Asians?), are all just closet terrorists.
Yet, despite of being so numerous, and having existed far before 2001, they somehow didn't seemed to be such an imminent menace to the civilized world. Not long ago, the civilized world almost got into ruins in the hands of Positive Christians, but everybody forgets that. Surprisingly, even atheists, who are quick to post pictures of christian priests making the nazi salute (taqiyya, anyone?) and to point to Hitler speeches agaisnt atheism, and who surprisingly seldom seem to remember of McCarthyism. Or perhaps they do, but they just feel good that, this time, they're not the target, but just "a religion", so it's a chance, perhaps to help extinguishing an irrational belief, bringing the world one step closer to the paradise of the reign of reason.
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 6:42:00 am
Anonymous, a.k.a. Asshole:
How about if your MUSLIM friends had risen up by the millions to "denounce terrorism/islam" or whatever the hell you think you are saying? But no, in your fuzzy little brain it's just us "fear-mongers" causing all the trouble. Go back to sleep, little one, and stop bothering the grown-ups.
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 12:35:00 pm
The site address for Trencherbone's "Everything you need to know about Islam" is http://crombouke.blogspot.com/2010/01/everything-you-need-to-know-about-islam.html
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 12:39:00 pm
It sounds like Anonymous has been smoking too many Bibles.
Tuesday, September 14, 2010 1:19:00 pm