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Blogger Damien said...

Grant Jones,

I oppose the ground zero mosque, but a war of simply of ideas through is much different than an actual war. The state does not have the right to punish people simply for its ideas. But in this case we are in a war both of ideas and an actual war.

As for Kant, I would argue that Rand Demonized him and used him as a scapegoat. I don't entirely agree with his philosophy either. I'm not one of his biggest fans, but no one has been able to give a convincing argument that he was a proto-fascists or a supporter of totalitarianism.

Friday, July 02, 2010 6:22:00 am

Anonymous revereridesagain said...

But Damien, we are not in "a war simply of ideas", that's the point. If we were, this would not be an issue, as Ed aptly demonstrated in his comparison with the Moonies. The mosque is to be built 600 feet from where the enemy -- Islamists -- murdered nearly 3,000 of our citizens. The war is being fought through violence in numerous arenas, and the invasion is being aggressively pursued through fraudulent means for hidden purposes. This is not an issue of denying property rights. This is denying the enemy a beachhead.

Friday, July 02, 2010 12:40:00 pm

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Denying the mosque does not deny a beachhead here. There are many fronts in this war. . .
A recent Fox & Friends video segment which is no longer available:
http://video.foxnews.com/v/4238242/wtc-investor-controversy

along with a disappeared related poll which was pulled the same day tells the story. An unofficial transcript of Johnson’s report for Fox & Friends:

(following are titles flashed during report) •Port Authority Seeks Investors •WTC Investor Controversy •Potential owner has ties to Middle East •Could Middle East Own New WTC? •Partner tied to Saudi Arabian Royal Family •ArabSheikh Mohamed Bin Zayed Al Nahyan (Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi) •SOARING HEIGHTS – New Building will be 1,776 ft high
Steve Doocey:
Welcome back. The twin towers of the World Trade Center stood as a stunning example of American exceptionalism and national pride. The government owner of the Trade Center site is now considering whether to accept a partnership bid to operate AND OWN the iconic “ONE WORLD TRADE CENTER” from an American company ‘with rich and powerful ARAB investors.” Fox News legal analyst, Peter J. Johnson Jr. is here to reveal and analyse this startling development. Peter . . . continued below - HRW

Friday, July 02, 2010 2:55:00 pm

Anonymous Anonymous said...

continued from above:

Peter Johnson Jr.:

Good morning, Steve. Thank you. You know, the American people like to have a say in their national landmarks. Witness the outrage here in New York City, over the Empire State building snub of the late Mother Teresa, whose owners once saluted communist China’s anniversary in blazing lights.
The World Trade Center yesterday and tomorrow is a touchstone of our past pain and our future pride. All Americans are invested in how a new American icon rises from the ashes where 2,752 lives were stolen.

But, as we approach the ninth anniversary of September 11th, the World Trade Center has been delayed by wrenching political disagreements, legal roadblocks and cost overruns. In fact, witness the controversy over building a mosque on the site of the infamous sneak attack by al-qaeda terrorists.

The government owner of the site, The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, facing a depressed real estate market is now seeking a private partner to partially own and fully operate One World Trade Center.

One of the final bidders in that confidential if not secret bidding process is a company called “The Related Companies” which may be the most prominently held real estate company in the United States.

But, just as important “The Related Companies” also happens to be a company which is substantially bankrolled by the most powerful Arab corporate interests int he world. These Arab companies have either invested or loaned what may be billions of dollars to the company and it’s international projects.

These partners include the Mubadala Development Company (http://www.mubadala.ae/) wholly owned by the Abu Dhabi government of the United Arab Emirates, the UAE and shared by the crowned Prince of Abu Dhabi and also a company called the Olayan Group which is a group apparently owned by the Saudi Arabian Royal family.

Each of these companies are also rich sources of co-investment capital Olayan related – in it’s own words – taking advantage of any opportunity regardless of size or scale. The ties between The Related and the Arab finance community that Related has formed a joint venture based in Abu Dhabi with one of the largest Arab equity and asset managers – and that’s called “Gulf Related”.

continued below -HRW

Friday, July 02, 2010 2:57:00 pm

Anonymous Anonymous said...

continued from above:

What do we know about the UAE and Saudi Arabia? The UAE and Saudi Arabia each recognized Taliban control of Afghanistan before the 9/11 attacks. We also know that 9/11 al-qaeda terrorists trained in Afghanistan and we know that 15 of the September 11th terrorists came from Saudi Arabia and two from the UAE. Eleven of the hijackers travelled through Dubai to the US and half of the money paid to the hijackers was funnelled through Dubai banks. Investigation has uncovered a mountain of allegations with regard to pre-9/11 Saudi financial support of al-qaeda.

They are now aligned as an American partner in the war on terrorism. This month the Port Authority will select it’s partner on the seventeen hundred and seventy six foot tower, originally dubbed the “Freedom Tower”. The once and future World Trade Center.

The future ownership of this Public Trust is in the hands of political appointees of the Governers of New Jersey and New York.

For anyone who suffered a loss, this news may be dizzying.

We know that ours is a forgiving nation. And we know that we have a well deserved place in the global economy. So, the question becomes this morning, in considering who should own and operate this hallowed ground. . .
Are our wounds too raw ?
Is our pride too deep?
And is our principal too strong to even consider what may yet become the cruelest irony yet – of one of the most infamous days in our national history?

We welcome, as Americans, Arab partnership. But, we ask this morning -

AT THE WORLD TRADE CENTER?


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The mosque will be the barracks to ensure ME partners succeed in their direction of the management of the "Freedom Tower".

This MUST NOT be tolerated or permitted.
-HRW

Friday, July 02, 2010 3:00:00 pm

Anonymous revereridesagain said...

Anonymous brings up an important point that is tending to get lost in the concern about the Cordoba mosque. The entire Ground Zero area is a target for Islamic triumphalism.

This is no more a "property rights" or "war simply of ideas" issue than allowing projects financed by the German Nazi Party or the Empire of Japan to be constructed in NYC in 1943 would have been. The difference is that we had identified the enemy by then. But just overcoming the "Islamophobia" and other thought-stopping tactics and convincing Americans to learn the truth about Islam is a massive undertaking.

Friday, July 02, 2010 3:25:00 pm

Anonymous Anonymous said...

RRA - Further evidence of this triumphalist dictate is the fact that Fox removed the related poll within 24 hours of posting it. It has since also removed the video report . . .which is exactly what I anticipated would happen. That is the reason I transcribed the video early on. Such a story will not be permitted to fade into oblivion. -HRW

Friday, July 02, 2010 3:51:00 pm

Blogger Pastorius said...

Fox is owned, in large part, by the Saudi Royal Family. You may already know that, but it is worth bringing up.

Friday, July 02, 2010 4:23:00 pm

Blogger Damien said...

Revere Rides Again,

I am not saying that we are not in a war here, if that is what you thought, I was saying.

Friday, July 02, 2010 6:26:00 pm

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