Quote: "when anyone tries to hold a "debate" or a "discussion" with a Muslim and tries to raise objections to Islam, they are yelled at, insulted and forced to shut up--and many, in turn, do shut up because they are decent human beings."
Ah, but that's where Spencer excels. I have yet to see the man become flustered or raise his voice. Spencer has the perfect balance of knowledge, energy and the most pleasant & respectful temperment to face off any opposition at every turn. He has perfected the 15-30 second soundbite permitted by the ever incurious msm. I learned a great deal from his work both online and through his books.
I know what you're saying about RS raising his voice. I didn't mean raising your voice and start yelling back. I meant, keep talking like RS did and raise your voice if you have to be heard (again, don't yell).
C-CS,
Mr Spencer knows his facts...
he would not be out-shouted...
and he had a powerful man watching his 'flank' (military term)...the LONE wolf always gets picked off...
We all would do well to learn these tactics--believe me- the followers of Islam are well trained in them...
Very well said. That's exactly what I say now and have been saying. We have to train ourselves for this, otherwise we will all fail!
Robert Spencer knows Islam like the back of his hand OR at least as well as a learned Muslim would know.
Notice also that he said, "Mohammed, the prophet of Islam" as opposed to "Prophet Mohammed" as is the practice of many, even non Muslims. He knows he can't afford to make any statement concerning Islam that would give it the status of a respected and accepted religion.
I have seen and heard Christians say, "Prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him" many times here in the UAE. Their reason? "We have to show love to them". I don't understand that concept. If you're trying to tell someone, "Dude, you're religion is nothing but a murder endorsing cult." You don't want to, at the same time, tell them, "however, I accept and respect your religion." There are a lot of mistakes that people make while dealing with or talking about Islam. I hope to write about that in detail soon.
Robert Spencer is very careful in the way he speaks. I admire the guy!
Robert Spencer also uses another term which ought to have resonance here in America (if anyone were actually listening to Spencer - other than the 30,000 or so he gets per day), and that term is
Islamic Supremacy
Robert Spencer has decided that we need to cast Islam in the same historical bin as Nazism.
I agree with him.
I, however, am not as sharp on being careful with my words. So, I am not consistent.
But then, I don't have the responsibility he has. I am a humorist.
Spencer is a great man.
Tuesday, September 08, 2009 4:18:00 pm
Anonymous said...
Pastorius,
Coming from the Islamic culture itself, I understand the importance of words that you use in your conversations.
For example: Muslims always "encourage" non Muslims to say "prophet Mohammed" or "prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him" (depending on who you talk to). And they do that because they say that they deserve to be treated with respect. However, they will never say, "Jesus, the Son of God" as a token of respect toward Christians. Why is this one-sided? Why are we the only ones who have to respect the Muslim religion, and why not the other way around?
Tuesday, September 08, 2009 8:42:00 pm
See how Robert Spencer handled the yelling Muslim? I haven't heard Spencer talk in the past. I have only read his stuff. First off, I just want to say that this man knows a lot about Islam and its not just "oh yeah, Islam sucks" kind of knowledge but real hardcore knowledge of Islamic theology as understood by Muslims.
It happens so many times that when anyone tries to hold a "debate" or a "discussion" with a Muslim and tries to raise objections to Islam, they are yelled at, insulted and forced to shut up--and many, in turn, do shut up because they are decent human beings. What happens as a result though is that that act of the non Muslim, the act of shutting up, is looked at by Muslim as their weakness and then the shout follows, "we have won! Allah-u-akbar!"
Am I saying that Robert Spencer is not a decent human being? Of course not. What I am saying is that Robert Spencer knows that even though he is a decent human being, to be able to heard in this politically correct, ultra-sensitive world, he has to raise his voice when a Muslim starts yelling. He has to raise his voice higher! He can't afford to shut up and then never be heard again. He can't afford to cave in. He can't afford to turn the other cheek because it is not himself that he's fighting for or fighting against, but he is fighting for the freedom of 100s of millions of people and he's fighting against an ideology that will make sure those people don't have their freedom once this religion gets its way.
Remamber, it was swift and strong hand of Charles Martel that drove the invading Muslim armies back on their heels to the hell-hole they came from. There is a reason he is known as Charles The HAMMER. And that reason isn't because he thought, "oh, I might offend Muslims by defending my country and my values, so why not compromise?" His army was smaller than the invading Muslim army but he prevailed because he knew something bigger was at stake than pleasing barbarians. He knew he couldn't make a deal with the devil!
Robert Spencer knows it all also. With Muslims, you can't give them a second chance. You can't let them gain any ground. You can't accept defeat today and reply tomorrow. You can't compromise one value and hope for eternal peace because they will keep on asking for more (look up Arab politicians of people who call themselves Palestinains). And finally, even though it may sound unimportant, you can not let a Muslim objection to concerns raised about Islam go unanswered--you will be called a bigot, an extremist, a fool now but you might not get another chance to set the record straight.
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Close this window Jump to comment formQuote: "when anyone tries to hold a "debate" or a "discussion" with a Muslim and tries to raise objections to Islam, they are yelled at, insulted and forced to shut up--and many, in turn, do shut up because they are decent human beings."
Ah, but that's where Spencer excels. I have yet to see the man become flustered or raise his voice. Spencer has the perfect balance of knowledge, energy and the most pleasant & respectful temperment to face off any opposition at every turn. He has perfected the 15-30 second soundbite permitted by the ever incurious msm. I learned a great deal from his work both online and through his books.
HRW
Sunday, September 06, 2009 11:29:00 pm
this video has several teaching moments-
Mr Spencer knows his facts...
he would not be out-shouted...
and he had a powerful man watching his 'flank' (military term)...the LONE wolf always gets picked off...
We all would do well to learn these tactics--believe me- the followers of Islam are well trained in them...
C-CS
Sunday, September 06, 2009 11:34:00 pm
BTW-thank you for this A-A...
Sunday, September 06, 2009 11:34:00 pm
HRW,
I know what you're saying about RS raising his voice. I didn't mean raising your voice and start yelling back. I meant, keep talking like RS did and raise your voice if you have to be heard (again, don't yell).
C-CS,
Mr Spencer knows his facts...
he would not be out-shouted...
and he had a powerful man watching his 'flank' (military term)...the LONE wolf always gets picked off...
We all would do well to learn these tactics--believe me- the followers of Islam are well trained in them...
Very well said. That's exactly what I say now and have been saying. We have to train ourselves for this, otherwise we will all fail!
BTW-thank you for this A-A...
You're very welcome.
Sunday, September 06, 2009 11:49:00 pm
wow muslims really hate it when the core of thier religion is exposed...
Monday, September 07, 2009 5:16:00 am
Great post, AA.
Monday, September 07, 2009 8:31:00 am
Robert Spencer knows how to keep his cool. Powerful weapon there.
Monday, September 07, 2009 12:45:00 pm
AOW,
This is why I was so impressed with Pamela's coverage of this trial as well.
NOT ONLY DOES SHE KEEP HER COOL UNDER FIRE, BUT SHE ALSO MAINTAINS AND ASSERTS THE MORAL DIMENSION when she shouts at the press ...
"WHERE'S YOU HUMANITY?"
Spencer is so cool, he forgets to throw stuff like that in.
Monday, September 07, 2009 4:48:00 pm
Not only does he keep his cool, but he's a walking, talking reference library. Spencer is the man!
Am I the only one who thinks Tom Trento is kinda hot?
Tuesday, September 08, 2009 4:43:00 am
Jdamn,
I'm a guy. I don't think he's hot.
;-)
Maybe, RRA or AOW could weigh in on that.
Tuesday, September 08, 2009 4:47:00 am
By the way, the Florida Security Council launched a Rifqa Bary website:
http://www.floridasecuritycouncil.org/rifqa/index.html
Tuesday, September 08, 2009 4:51:00 am
Robert Spencer knows Islam like the back of his hand OR at least as well as a learned Muslim would know.
Notice also that he said, "Mohammed, the prophet of Islam" as opposed to "Prophet Mohammed" as is the practice of many, even non Muslims. He knows he can't afford to make any statement concerning Islam that would give it the status of a respected and accepted religion.
I have seen and heard Christians say, "Prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him" many times here in the UAE. Their reason? "We have to show love to them". I don't understand that concept. If you're trying to tell someone, "Dude, you're religion is nothing but a murder endorsing cult." You don't want to, at the same time, tell them, "however, I accept and respect your religion." There are a lot of mistakes that people make while dealing with or talking about Islam. I hope to write about that in detail soon.
Robert Spencer is very careful in the way he speaks. I admire the guy!
Tuesday, September 08, 2009 12:48:00 pm
AA,
Very observant of you.
Robert Spencer also uses another term which ought to have resonance here in America (if anyone were actually listening to Spencer - other than the 30,000 or so he gets per day), and that term is
Islamic Supremacy
Robert Spencer has decided that we need to cast Islam in the same historical bin as Nazism.
I agree with him.
I, however, am not as sharp on being careful with my words. So, I am not consistent.
But then, I don't have the responsibility he has. I am a humorist.
Spencer is a great man.
Tuesday, September 08, 2009 4:18:00 pm
Pastorius,
Coming from the Islamic culture itself, I understand the importance of words that you use in your conversations.
For example: Muslims always "encourage" non Muslims to say "prophet Mohammed" or "prophet Mohammed, peace be upon him" (depending on who you talk to). And they do that because they say that they deserve to be treated with respect. However, they will never say, "Jesus, the Son of God" as a token of respect toward Christians. Why is this one-sided? Why are we the only ones who have to respect the Muslim religion, and why not the other way around?
Tuesday, September 08, 2009 8:42:00 pm