My experience with discussing with Leftists is that they assume superior knowledge on their part even if they have done no serious investigation of your own.
"Snouck, you know nothing of Islam". When yougo deeper into it they do not know the writing nor the history of Islam. They just follow the teachings of Leftist journalists and professors.
And you reveal yourself to be a hick, just by diagreeing with the approved opinion.
If you SHOW them to be wrong, they still do not change their views. They are not really interested in debate, is my conclusion. They know what they want to believe and are happy with it.
Snouck, That describes the way I used to be perfectly. I was quite the lefty until 9/11 woke me up.
I may retain some lefty qualities to this day. However, I try to do is adhere to the Bible and to the American tradition.
Monday, November 27, 2006 3:37:00 pm
David Gartenstein-Ross converted to Islam when he was a young man. Here's an article which discusses his experience. From the San Francisco Chronicle (with a hat tip to Olivia):
THE DAY after the 9/11 attacks, MIT professor Noam Chomsky wrote of the need "to understand what may have led to the crimes, which means making an effort to enter the minds of the likely perpetrators." What struck Daveed Gartenstein-Ross about Chomsky's response was that "Chomsky made no real effort to enter the minds of the perpetrators. Instead he simply projected his own grievances against the United States onto them."
Gartenstein-Ross had a much stronger idea as to what motivated the 9/11 attackers. After converting to Islam in college, he held a job at the Ashland, Ore., office of Al Haramain, a Saudi-funded charity that sent money to al Qaeda.
In a fascinating memoir due in stores in February, "My Year Inside Radical Islam," Gartenstein-Ross describes how he was drawn to Islam because he saw it as a religion of peace. Over time, however, he watched himself and those around him seduced into a fanaticism that required them to loathe not only non-Muslims, but also Muslims who belonged to the wrong sect, listened to music or shaved. He had expected an open, accepting religion, only to hear sheikhs arguing that Muslims who leave the religion should be killed, that it is acceptable to kill civilians for jihad and that good Muslims should work to replace democratic governments with Shariah law.
The hate chased Gartenstein-Ross from Islam, but only after it sucked him into believing that unacceptable actions were holy.
He believes Americans need a more fact-based understanding of Islam, which requires the media to do a better job of reporting what Muslims think and say -- instead of papering over radical rhetoric. Once when a local reporter visited Al Haramain to write a piece on Ramadan, a co-worker refused to shake her hand, launched a defense of sorts of Algerian terrorists and lambasted a French policy that prohibited schoolgirls from wearing the hijab in class. The comments never made the story. Gartenstein-Ross writes, "And so, as I often did, the reporter chose not to acknowledge that a real clash of values existed here."
Islam's approach to homosexuality is another area that the left ignores in deference to multiculturalism. (Think of Bay Area liberals who voice outrage at the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy, but are silent about the Shariah policy on homosexuals -- 100 lashes or death.) Ditto the status of women.
Gartenstein-Ross also takes issue with those rose-colored-glass wearers who deny that there is any theological basis for Islamic extremism. "It's important to note that they do have an argument," he told me, if only to be able to engage them in argument and understand where they get their ideas.
Gartenstein-Ross is a strong storyteller, who enables the reader to feel the ineluctable draw to fanaticism, as well as the anguish and disillusionment that led him to support violent jihad, but ultimately reject it. He has no use for those who, a la Chomsky, pat themselves on the back for having the intellectual fortitude "to enter the minds of the likely perpetrators."
There are forces in this world that would kill these elites for the apostasy, but elites are so blinded with their sense of superiority over their political enemies -- like President Bush -- that they can't even see the dagger pointed at their throats.
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Close this window Jump to comment formThe left reminds me of Islam in many ways. 'They' do no wrong and have only the west (us) to blame.
Even while lying in a puddle of their own blood the terrorist apologetics will make excuses and not face reality.
Sunday, November 26, 2006 10:43:00 pm
My experience with discussing with Leftists is that they assume superior knowledge on their part even if they have done no serious investigation of your own.
"Snouck, you know nothing of Islam". When yougo deeper into it they do not know the writing nor the history of Islam. They just follow the teachings of Leftist journalists and professors.
And you reveal yourself to be a hick, just by diagreeing with the approved opinion.
If you SHOW them to be wrong, they still do not change their views. They are not really interested in debate, is my conclusion. They know what they want to believe and are happy with it.
Regards,
Snouck
Monday, November 27, 2006 2:04:00 pm
Snouck,
That describes the way I used to be perfectly. I was quite the lefty until 9/11 woke me up.
I may retain some lefty qualities to this day. However, I try to do is adhere to the Bible and to the American tradition.
Monday, November 27, 2006 3:37:00 pm