you nailed it. People here will be fuckad up when they can't enjoy their freedom anymore. That time is coming closer. Muslims buried their genocides with the victims. We've learned from it. Let Americans do further with Bush's plan: Chaos in the ME. The terrorist fall out here will make us start cleaning up. The difference between Muslims and Europeans is: We don't kill emotionally frustrated. We kill only when it's a job we have to do.
It's unlikely muslims will be evacced to the good ol' US-of-A as dirty bombs would go off in their major cities as well.
The die-hard socialists in authority; who appease the muslims with honeyed pillow talk, who feather their own nests while vandalising indigenous european cultures, would be swept aside by a civil uprising against the muslim 'immigrant', and the diseased 'asylum seeker'.
At some point tens or hundreds of thousands of people are going to be murdered by a jihadi outrage. Crashing a couple of dozen airliners into cities seems to be the current modality. Dirty bombs is another, a far less immediate death toll but an attack which has long term devastating effects.
Most people aren't bothered about something until they have a personal encounter, and a lot more people are experiencing multi'culturalism' (islam) up- close and personal now.
This is the biggest danger of course. Being plunged in third world madness a form of Fascism will look sane in comparison.
Also we have seen what happened in the former Yugoslavia when Communism became obviously discredited. A lot of the people from there ended up in 2 asylum seekers in my area.
The silly thing is that whenever one brings up problems with African and Muslim immigrant in Europe one is warned by liberals that one is "opening the doors to Fascism". In order to close and make impossible debate. But it is just this head in the sand attitude that is making a swing to violent ethnic competition so likely.
Finally I do not think there will be a return to historical Fascism. Fascism is tied up with the nation state and the nation state is dieing, both in Europe and North America, because of its military inefficiency compared to other social units. I think Europe will return to something more akin to the Middle Ages, with lots of competing areas and cities.
Ethnic cleansing is something that is happening already for a long time, though. It is known in sociology as "white flight".
It also happens between immigrant groups though. Right now, Muslims are driving Blacks out of areas that used to be Black for 20 years in Amsterdam.
Ralph Peters is a rather unpleasant piece of work. He thinks that the USA will be better at assimilating those nice Muslims than those nasty fascist Euros.
Every other article by him seems to carry some insane sneers at the expense of Europeans. While it is true that history shows that we Europeans at times are a bunch of murderous bastards, just show me any race, nation or culture in which this does not happen over and over again.
The USA has not shown such an abundance of insanity, because it is so young. Human nature is not modified by location. Peace and tranquility do not magically waft up from AMerican soil or the text of the US constitution. We will see how well the USA will fare with the continued experiments with mass immigration and multiculturalism.
There are very specific texts and traditions that order Muslims to kill and silence those who criticise Islam and to abhor democracy. I translated the commentary of Hans Jansen, a Dutch Arabist on the letter of Mohammed B. Theo van Gogh's Assassin for a few in the ideology of Muslims.
This is what you bring in your country if you have Muslim immigration.
Btw, criticism can be useful, but I wonder if Ralph Peters or any other mainstream American pundit would dare to criticise Blacks or Mexican culture in such a way.
We all know what would be the end of Ralph Peters under PC, do we not?
Monday, November 27, 2006 11:43:00 am
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Writers such as Mark Steyn and Bat Ye'or have been predicting, for the past several years, that Europe is destined to fall to its Muslims inhabitants due to the twin fates of demographics and lethargy. While I respect Mark Steyn, and believe his points to be salient and important, I do not share his pessimism as to the fate of Europe
However, that does not mean that I think all will be well with Europe. It has always been my opinion that Europe will be what Europe always has been; a land of brutal and barbaric defenders of what they perceive to be their culture.
November 26, 2006 -- A RASH of pop prophets tell us that Muslims in Europe are reproducing so fast and European societies are so weak and listless that, before you know it, the continent will become "Eurabia," with all those topless gals on the Riviera wearing veils.
Well, maybe not.
The notion that continental Europeans, who are world-champion haters, will let the impoverished Muslim immigrants they confine to ghettos take over their societies and extend the caliphate from the Amalfi Coast to Amsterdam has it exactly wrong.
The endangered species isn't the "peace loving" European lolling in his or her welfare state, but the continent's Muslims immigrants - and their multi-generation descendents - who were foolish enough to imagine that Europeans would share their toys.
In fact, Muslims are hardly welcome to pick up the trash on Europe's playgrounds.
Don't let Europe's current round of playing pacifist dress-up fool you: This is the continent that perfected genocide and ethnic cleansing, the happy-go-lucky slice of humanity that brought us such recent hits as the Holocaust and Srebrenica.
THE historical patterns are clear: When Europeans feel sufficiently threatened - even when the threat's concocted nonsense - they don't just react, they over-react with stunning ferocity. One of their more-humane (and frequently employed) techniques has been ethnic cleansing.
And Europeans won't even need to re-write "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" with an Islamist theme - real Muslims zealots provide Europe's bigots with all the propaganda they need. Al Qaeda and its wannabe fans are the worst thing that could have happened to Europe's Muslims. Europe hasn't broken free of its historical addictions - we're going to see Europe's history reprised on meth.
The year 1492 wasn't just big for Columbus. It's also when Spain expelled its culturally magnificent Jewish community en masse - to be followed shortly by the Moors, Muslims who had been on the Iberian Peninsula for more than 800 years.
Jews got the boot elsewhere in Europe, too - if they weren't just killed on the spot. When Shakespeare wrote "The Merchant of Venice," it's a safe bet he'd never met a Jew. The Chosen People were long-gone from Jolly Olde England.
From the French expulsion of the Huguenots right down to the last century's massive ethnic cleansings, Europeans have never been shy about showing "foreigners and subversives" the door.
And Europe's Muslims don't even have roots, by historical standards. For the Europeans, they're just the detritus of colonial history. When Europeans feel sufficiently provoked and threatened - a few serious terrorist attacks could do it - Europe's Muslims will be lucky just to be deported.
Sound impossible? Have the Europeans become too soft for that sort of thing? Has narcotic socialism destroyed their ability to hate? Is their atheism a prelude to total surrender to faith-intoxicated Muslim jihadis?
The answer to all of the above questions is a booming "No!" The Europeans have enjoyed a comfy ride for the last 60 years - but the very fact that they don't want it to stop increases their rage and sense of being besieged by Muslim minorities they've long refused to assimilate (and which no longer want to assimilate).
WE don't need to gloss over the many Muslim acts of barbarism down the centuries to recognize that the Europeans are just better at the extermination process. From the massacre of all Muslims and Jews (and quite a few Eastern Christians) when the Crusaders reached Jerusalem in 1099 to the massacre of all the Jews in Buda (not yet attached to Pest across the Danube) when the "liberating" Habsburg armies retook the citadel at the end of the 17th century, Europeans have just been better organized for genocide.
It's the difference between the messy Turkish execution of the Armenian genocide and the industrial efficiency of the Holocaust. Hey, when you love your work, you get good at it.
Far from enjoying the prospect of taking over Europe by having babies, Europe's Muslims are living on borrowed time. When a third of French voters have demonstrated their willingness to vote for Jean-Marie Le Pen's National Front - a party that makes the Ku Klux Klan seem like Human Rights Watch - all predictions of Europe going gently into that good night are surreal.
I'd love to hear what our European contributors have to say about this article.
I don’t know whether Mr Peters is referring to my book, because, as usual when this particular columnist comes out swinging, he prefers to confront unnamed generalized opponents: thus, he refers to “a rash of pop pundits” predicting Europe will become Eurabia. Dismissing with airy condescension “a rash” of anonymities means you avoid having to deal with specific arguments. Had he read America Alone, for example, he would know that I do, indeed, foresee a revival of Fascism in Europe. He concludes: “All predictions of Europe going gently into that good night are surreal.” Which of us predicted anything about “going gently”? As I write on page 105 of my book: “It’s true that there are many European populations reluctant to go happily into the long Eurabian night.” What I point out, though, is that, even if you’re hot for a new Holocaust, demography tells. There are no Hitlers to hand. When Mr Peters cites the success of Jean Marie Le Pen’s National Front, he overlooks not only Le Pen’s recent overtures to Muslims but also the fact that M Le Pen is pushing 80. As a general rule, when 600 octogenarians are up against 200 teenagers, bet on the teens. In five or ten years’ time, who precisely is going to organize mass deportations from French cities in which the native/Muslim youth-population ratio is already – right now - 55/45?
As I’ve said innumerable times, the native European population is split three ways: some will leave, as the Dutch (and certain French) are already doing; some will shrug and go along with the Islamization of the continent, as the ever-accelerating number of conversions suggests; and so the ones left to embrace Fascism will be a minority of an aging population. It will be bloody and messy, as I write in America Alone, but it will not alter the final outcome. If you don’t breed, you can’t influence the future. And furthermore a disinclination to breed is a good sign you don’t care much about the future. That’s why the Spaniards, who fought a brutal bloody civil war for their country in the 1930s, folded instantly after those Madrid bombings. When you’ve demographically checked out of the future, why fight for it?
Ralph Peters is late to this debate. If he’s going to join the discussion, he might do better to tackle the facts. But that would require him to acknowledge real specifics rather than “a rash of pop pundits”. You’ll notice that his column and mine differ not just in their approach to worldviews but in their approach to argument: mine cites four specific persons, their actions and assertions; his boldly batters anonymous generalizations. I know which I regard as more effective.
My response is that just because a few cities are destined to have a Muslim majority in a few years does not mean that Europe itself is destined to have a Muslim majority. France, for instance, is approximately 10% Muslim. England is approximately 2% Muslim. That's an awful long way from a majority.
As to the aging population argument. That is trickier I do admit, but the Euros do still run things, and that, of course, means they own everything, including all the big guns.
As for the notion that there are no Hitlers on the horizon, Mark Steyn knows history well enough to know that Hitler came out of nowhere and rose to power pretty damned quickly. Believe me, there are young men out there who see their opportunity to change the course of history. As long as there is youth, there is ambition. Hopefully, they will have a vision for a better course of action than that of Hitler.
When I participated in a group interview with Mark Steyn, I posed the question to him of whether he was aware that, in the aftermath of 9/11, we had a baby boom in the United States? The reality is, when a civilization is subject to a mortal threat, the instinctual response is the opposite of what one would expect. People do not curl up and say, well, the future looks dark, we'd better not have children. Instead, they say to themselves, our civilization is worthwhile, I want to pass it on.
I know this from personal experience, because this is exactly the decision my wife and I made after 9/11, and we were joined by countless friends. A huge group of women within our circle of friends were all pregnant at the same time.
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Close this window Jump to comment formyou nailed it.
People here will be fuckad up when they can't enjoy their freedom anymore. That time is coming closer.
Muslims buried their genocides with the victims. We've learned from it.
Let Americans do further with Bush's plan: Chaos in the ME. The terrorist fall out here will make us start cleaning up.
The difference between Muslims and Europeans is: We don't kill emotionally frustrated. We kill only when it's a job we have to do.
Sunday, November 26, 2006 6:44:00 pm
It's unlikely muslims will be evacced to the good ol' US-of-A as dirty bombs would go off in their major cities as well.
The die-hard socialists in authority; who appease the muslims with honeyed pillow talk, who feather their own nests while vandalising indigenous european cultures, would be swept aside by a civil uprising against the muslim 'immigrant', and the diseased 'asylum seeker'.
At some point tens or hundreds of thousands of people are going to be murdered by a jihadi outrage. Crashing a couple of dozen airliners into cities seems to be the current modality. Dirty bombs is another, a far less immediate death toll but an attack which has long term devastating effects.
Most people aren't bothered about something until they have a personal encounter, and a lot more people are experiencing multi'culturalism' (islam) up- close and personal now.
Sunday, November 26, 2006 10:06:00 pm
This is the biggest danger of course. Being plunged in third world madness a form of Fascism will look sane in comparison.
Also we have seen what happened in the former Yugoslavia when Communism became obviously discredited. A lot of the people from there ended up in 2 asylum seekers in my area.
The silly thing is that whenever one brings up problems with African and Muslim immigrant in Europe one is warned by liberals that one is "opening the doors to Fascism". In order to close and make impossible debate. But it is just this head in the sand attitude that is making a swing to violent ethnic competition so likely.
Finally I do not think there will be a return to historical Fascism. Fascism is tied up with the nation state and the nation state is dieing, both in Europe and North America, because of its military inefficiency compared to other social units. I think Europe will return to something more akin to the Middle Ages, with lots of competing areas and cities.
Ethnic cleansing is something that is happening already for a long time, though. It is known in sociology as "white flight".
It also happens between immigrant groups though. Right now, Muslims are driving Blacks out of areas that used to be Black for 20 years in Amsterdam.
Monday, November 27, 2006 10:19:00 am
Ralph Peters is a rather unpleasant piece of work. He thinks that the USA will be better at assimilating those nice Muslims than those nasty fascist Euros.
Every other article by him seems to carry some insane sneers at the expense of Europeans. While it is true that history shows that we Europeans at times are a bunch of murderous bastards, just show me any race, nation or culture in which this does not happen over and over again.
The USA has not shown such an abundance of insanity, because it is so young. Human nature is not modified by location. Peace and tranquility do not magically waft up from AMerican soil or the text of the US constitution. We will see how well the USA will fare with the continued experiments with mass immigration and multiculturalism.
There are very specific texts and traditions that order Muslims to kill and silence those who criticise Islam and to abhor democracy. I translated the commentary of Hans Jansen, a Dutch Arabist on the letter of Mohammed B. Theo van Gogh's Assassin for a few in the ideology of Muslims.
This is what you bring in your country if you have Muslim immigration.
Btw, criticism can be useful, but I wonder if Ralph Peters or any other mainstream American pundit would dare to criticise Blacks or Mexican culture in such a way.
We all know what would be the end of Ralph Peters under PC, do we not?
Monday, November 27, 2006 11:43:00 am