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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Straw didnt complain about veils for 27 years, and now he starts having "communication issues" with his Muslim constituents.
What a degenerate. George Galloway has put out some great points on his radio show about the whole non-controversy.

Sunday, October 15, 2006

Blogger akira said...

not sure what odd example struck you but i thought it's weird to end off saying:
"by and large, middle and upper middle-class Muslim women do not veil themselves unless they have the misfortune to live in a country that insists on it."

perhaps it is more of a misfortune to live somewhere that won't allow you to wear the attire that you believe is morally correct... and i really don't think that is true about veils only on the lower-classed muslums??

Sunday, October 15, 2006

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, the ending was a bit weird. I kinda got confused actually. The rest of the post of great though and some of your remarks were downright hilarious. The sarcastic parts especially! Anyway, keep up the great work!

Tuesday, October 17, 2006

Blogger Maggie said...

If I may share another perspective as to why someone like Jack Straw (who indeed is not the person anyone is here on the planet to please) might feel called upon to address the subject of the scarving of females in British society: There is another reason why this is a problem. It has nothing to do with Islam or Muslims. It has nothing to do with conforming, or fashion. It has nothing to do with freedom of expression. It has nothing to do with the individual wishing to live separately from the prevailing customs in observation of their religious beliefs - for example, the Amish in America are deeply respected, though they deliberately reject dress norms, electricity, telephones, conveniences. Here's what the problem REALLY is:

It is deeply offensive to the most fundamental feeling of people in free societies to see other people openly oppressed. Though we know it happens in various ways to many people in many places, including our own, when that happens it saddens us. To see degradation of another human being worn publicly and held up as a virtue of some sort is simply sickening to us.

It may be a cultural norm elsewhere to mutilate the genitals of little girls, and considered a virtue; that is not the case here. The custom must be observed elsewhere, not in this society. It may be a cultural virtue to sell off daughters in marriage to strangers, but that is not the case here, and it becomes something that people must do in private -not on the street. It may be a cultural norm for men to have four wives but women to have a single husband - but polygamy is unlawful here, and disgusting to the majority of citizens. People may freely engage in this sort of arrangement elsewhere. It may be perfectly acceptable to beat one's wife (wives) or kill one's daughters ("Honor" killing, I believe the term is) but here these things are crimes - assault and murder. They may not be practised, accepted and applauded here.

Imagine if you will some reversal of experience regarding the scarving of females: what if it was the custom for men to wear clothing that exposed the testicles, that women's clothing bare the breasts? Would we not all find this appalling? If you were forced to see it on the streets or in public transportation or to know your children were exposed to it in schoolrooms from their teachers, would you not, finally, no matter how much you wish to be sympathetic and tolerant, say something?

The degradation of women is an obscenity to us. To deliberately throw it in the faces of one's neighbors does more than separate - it's offensive. If you are in our countries, you are free to act as you wish in your homes - something that is not the case, I believe, in many of the countries that promote the subjugation of women as a virtue. If people are going to emigrate to free societies, they must understand that they are guests and conduct themselves accordingly, at least in shared public life. Or, live elsewhere. I cannot help but wonder what it is that attracts immigrants to places for which they have such contempt. Please, be happy, perhaps somewhere else.

Jack Straw finally said something. It's worth listening to. If it is unacceptable, perhaps it would be better, and you would be happier, occupying some country whose customs towards females are more in keeping with your comfort zone.

Wednesday, October 18, 2006

Blogger qrswave said...

maggie, thanks for the long and thoughtful response - though, I couldn't disagree with you more.

Perhaps, the Public auctions in Israel are more to your liking.

What I find appalling is your shameless hypocrisy.

Thursday, October 19, 2006

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