Thanks. I did not quote the Quran in my post, but just for the sake historic friendship between Christians and Muslims:
Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly. (5:82)
Remember, there is nothing that pleases the Zionists more than to have Christians and Muslims fighting each other. The news story about the Pope offending Muslims is being blown out of proportion by the Zionist-controlled media, in order to maximize the amount of animosity it can create.
There is an excellent website called crescentandcross.com where they discuss the relationship between Christians and Muslims. We have a lot in common, and should be allied against the Zionists, who despise both Christians and Muslims.
To be fair, the Guardian, in the UK, much to its credit, has not only mentioned the Cardinal's (as he was before he was Pope) reservations about Turkey's proposed entrance into the EU, it also mentioned that he was keen on preserving the "Christian identity of Europe". I found this to be a huge shift in the position of the paper - as the recent trend in left-of-centre politics has been an unholy alliance with the current Crusade.
The Pope was definitely testing the waters. There is absolutely no doubt about Ratzinger's right-wing credentials and his anti-Islamic stance.
His almost immediate apology does not alter his fundamental position on Turkey, or Islam.
You're right, not all Jews are Zionists. A number of non-Zionist Jews came out to our protests during the attacks on Lebanon this summer, and a few even spoke to the crowds, condemning the destructive assault on Lebanon by Israel. However it is important to always ask: in whose interest is a Christian versus Muslim conflict? I noticed yesterday the Zionist rag 'The National Post' had the pope angering Muslims as its main headline, and there was a story about Muslims attacking Catholic churchs in Gaza (probably made up by the Zionists). I hate to see any kind of fighting between Muslims and Christians, or between Protestants and Catholics, or between Shias and Sunnis. We all have a common enemy, who hate us more than we could ever hate each other - we should unite and deal with that enemy first. The genocide in Palestine would have been stopped long ago if Muslims would have stopped fighting among themselves and unified to deal with their enemy, the enemy of all mankind: the racist, destructive Zionists.
Sunday, September 17, 2006
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What would you do if you were the head of a Church that can only hope to sustain itself through opposing condom use at the cost of millions of AIDS dead among your own adherents?
It's clear from his other statements that the Pope isn't trying to bring on World War III. His hope is to open the Muslim World for conversion. It's a pretty dumb start, laughable if it weren't for the potentially dire consequences.
Muslims have grounds for fleeting anger at Benedict's incredible hamfistedness. But I hope folk recognise that it was just that. Crusades are out at the Vatican - they're bad for business.
To believe that Islam is the religion which grants and supports secular freedoms is naiv. Religion in Saudi Arabia is not free. To critize that is the duty of the pope.
Conversions from Muslim to christian is lifethreatening in Islamcountries.
From my personal view I don't need any of the big religions. They are all scams of their own kind.
When 2 bad guys shoot at each other why stop them? Are you your brothers keeper?
Monday, September 18, 2006
While travelling the other day, I observed the lady next to me reading an American evangelical magazine with page after page of anti-Islam stuff stated in the most childishly hateful manner. More than offended, I was amused and wondered what was the desired goal of this synergy between Zionists, evangelical Christians and some militant governments of the West. Governments that keep warning, almost subliminally, 'they want to change our way of life, let history judge us'.
I don't know how the media missed the angle that the current Pope, Benedict XVI, made comments that Turkey did not belong in the European Union and it should look for its identity in the Islamic world. These remarks were made just before he became Pope. It has also been widely known that the Pope wants to take on Islamic fundamentalists on an intellectual level.
Ahead of his trip to Turkey, Benedict XVI was testing the waters. It appears that he wants to play a role in the current world conflict as John Paul II played in the conflict that existed then -- the Communist-Western conflict. A secondary purpose could have been to test Turkey's identity. Another goal is to compete with the American evangelists in the hatred for Muslims. Proselytizing Christian churches, with little disguise, salivate at the possibilities opened up by US military adventures and have followed US troops into Iraq and Afghanistan.
Quoting a Crusades-era Christian emperor without comment was a military retort -- not an intellectual one -- and it strengthens Islamic militants immeasurably. One can argue that a partially-elected US President who is verbally, if not intellectually, challenged used 'Crusades' and 'evil'. No one can defend the Pope on any of the two counts. The media is spinning it as an over-reaction by Muslims. This time it is not only the usual suspects in the streets, this time it is Muslim intellectuals and governments. The message is very clear - it is a Crusade.
Quoting someone and not expressing one's rejection of it is agreeing with it. The Pope is an intellectual and knows the proper way of attribution and quoting. For example, if I quote bin Laden or Jerry Falwell or GW Bush in my speech, and then not show my opinion of that quote, I announce my agreement
What if Ayatullah Khamenei or Sistani said the same about Christians, and they have ample proof and quotes also. The New York Times summed up thus: 'The world listens carefully to the words of any Pope. And it is tragic and dangerous when one sows pain, either deliberately or carelessly.' Another Pope resides in a Muslim country. 'Any remarks which offend Islam and Muslims are against Christ's teachings', said Coptic Pope Shenouda II.
Official Position of the Church
To its credit, this is the official position of the Catholic Church on Islam:
The position of the Pope concerning Islam is unequivocally that expressed by the conciliar document Nostra Aetate: "The Church regards with esteem also the Muslims. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all-powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth, Who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting" (no. 3).
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Close this window Jump to comment formThanks, Akber, for this very thoughtful and insightful post.
It looks like they're prepping the world stage for the final clash of civilizations - any time now.
Saturday, September 16, 2006
Thanks. I did not quote the Quran in my post, but just for the sake historic friendship between Christians and Muslims:
Certainly you will find the most violent of people in enmity for those who believe (to be) the Jews and those who are polytheists, and you will certainly find the nearest in friendship to those who believe (to be) those who say: We are Christians; this is because there are priests and monks among them and because they do not behave proudly. (5:82)
Saturday, September 16, 2006
Remember, there is nothing that pleases the Zionists more than to have Christians and Muslims fighting each other. The news story about the Pope offending Muslims is being blown out of proportion by the Zionist-controlled media, in order to maximize the amount of animosity it can create.
There is an excellent website called crescentandcross.com where they discuss the relationship between Christians and Muslims. We have a lot in common, and should be allied against the Zionists, who despise both Christians and Muslims.
Sunday, September 17, 2006
To be fair, the Guardian, in the UK, much to its credit, has not only mentioned the Cardinal's (as he was before he was Pope) reservations about Turkey's proposed entrance into the EU, it also mentioned that he was keen on preserving the "Christian identity of Europe". I found this to be a huge shift in the position of the paper - as the recent trend in left-of-centre politics has been an unholy alliance with the current Crusade.
The Pope was definitely testing the waters. There is absolutely no doubt about Ratzinger's right-wing credentials and his anti-Islamic stance.
His almost immediate apology does not alter his fundamental position on Turkey, or Islam.
Sunday, September 17, 2006
Dear Michael - I can assure you that many Jews are opposed to Zionism too - and nowadays vocally so.
Sunday, September 17, 2006
Shahid:
You're right, not all Jews are Zionists. A number of non-Zionist Jews came out to our protests during the attacks on Lebanon this summer, and a few even spoke to the crowds, condemning the destructive assault on Lebanon by Israel.
However it is important to always ask: in whose interest is a Christian versus Muslim conflict? I noticed yesterday the Zionist rag 'The National Post' had the pope angering Muslims as its main headline, and there was a story about Muslims attacking Catholic churchs in Gaza (probably made up by the Zionists).
I hate to see any kind of fighting between Muslims and Christians, or between Protestants and Catholics, or between Shias and Sunnis. We all have a common enemy, who hate us more than we could ever hate each other - we should unite and deal with that enemy first.
The genocide in Palestine would have been stopped long ago if Muslims would have stopped fighting among themselves and unified to deal with their enemy, the enemy of all mankind: the racist, destructive Zionists.
Sunday, September 17, 2006
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Sunday, September 17, 2006
What would you do if you were the head of a Church that can only hope to sustain itself through opposing condom use at the cost of millions of AIDS dead among your own adherents?
It's clear from his other statements that the Pope isn't trying to bring on World War III. His hope is to open the Muslim World for conversion. It's a pretty dumb start, laughable if it weren't for the potentially dire consequences.
Muslims have grounds for fleeting anger at Benedict's incredible hamfistedness. But I hope folk recognise that it was just that. Crusades are out at the Vatican - they're bad for business.
Sunday, September 17, 2006
To believe that Islam is the religion which grants and supports secular freedoms is naiv. Religion in Saudi Arabia is not free. To critize that is the duty of the pope.
Conversions from Muslim to christian is lifethreatening in Islamcountries.
From my personal view I don't need any of the big religions. They are all scams of their own kind.
When 2 bad guys shoot at each other why stop them? Are you your brothers keeper?
Monday, September 18, 2006