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Anonymous Anonymous said...

Never heard it put quite like that before and you are right, it is a scam. I think there are quite a few of us that are tired of this bullshit and our only hope seems to be the Dems. They represent us and in them, all of our hope lies.

I post comments as:
Corporate Greed or
Fred Ranger

Saturday, November 05, 2005

Blogger qrswave said...

Thanks for stopping by!

I am glad my explanation was helpful.

There are a few democrats that agree that an interest-based monetary system is destroying our country--Dennis Kucinich is one of them.

But, as a rule of thumb you can test a politician's integrity, and whether they align themselves with working americans or the idle rich who grease their palms, by whether they acknowledge that interest-bearing loans, especially those made to governments and to the poor, are categorically wrong.

For example, I used to consider Howard Dean a politician with integrity, until I found out he spearheaded an initiative to launch a credit card for the DNC that charges up to 30% APR!

The working class and the poor suffer enough from the outrageous ravaging of our government budgets by municipal and treasury bondholders who collect horrendous amounts of interest annually from our governments. As a result, governments are forced to cut government benefits, and government jobs and the working class and the poor suffer while the rich (bondholders) collect interest.

This SOB compounds the injury by making it even more difficult for the working class and poor to get private loans when they need it most.

Saturday, November 05, 2005

Blogger yusuf chun said...

hey, q

only just read this cause you linked to it. solid!

Wednesday, December 28, 2005

Blogger Gegner said...

Hey qrs,

What a great post! I couldn't have done better myself. We're on the same page on this topic anyway.

Friday, January 20, 2006

Blogger Gegner said...

Hey qrs,

Great post, couldn't have done it better (although I tried)!

Yeah, I'm the same Gegner from you know where...I have a blogger page too!

Friday, January 20, 2006

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nice analogy. So now that the problem is defined, how do we begin the corrections?

My first thought, really as a means of self-preservation...

Never unless absolutely necessary buy on credit. Cut up the plastic and toss all the 'instantly approved' letters from these tricksters into the kindling pile.

You will benefit more from using these solicitations in your fireplace than you will from the promised instant purchasing power which is really a thin sugar coating over the malignant, unsavory, parasite that will feed upon you, your family, your resources for the duration of your life.

I also found that eliminating Cable, and those tv commercials full of subliminal programming to buy buy buy...has changed my perceptions about what I need, want, and must have.

Cut the cable and the cards. We are more than just 'consumers'! I hate that term...it sounds so Orwellian...like the scale that aunts harvest....that sucks the life out of trees.

I guess the question is...which one are we and which one are the bankers...the impersonal oblivious scale...the tenacious, crafty ants...or the depleated, struggling fruit tree?


persefone33@aol.com

Thursday, April 13, 2006

Blogger Tahoma Activist said...

This is why usury (the crime of selling capital at interest) was outlawed by the Lord in the Bible. To think that we could now be facing in some cases interest rates legally set as high as 490 percent (check cashing places) it's amazing that we have fallen so far.

There's a lot of crazy stuff in the Bible, but this is one rule I could definitely get behind.

Friday, April 14, 2006

Blogger dreeves said...

I strongly disagree! Interest is here to stay, and for good reasons. In fact, in Muslim countries where it is illegal to charge interest, the law is commonly subverted by charging fees for borrowing money that are calculated to be entirely equivalent to interest.

So we couldn't get rid of interest if we wanted to. But do we even want to?
Personally, I think interest is a fine idea that serves a lot of useful purposes.

First, it helps to see through a lot of confusion by understanding that money is nothing but a scorekeeping system for favors we owe each other. The principle on which interest is based is that a favor now is more valuable than a favor later. Suppose I ask you to wash my dishes tonight and in exchange I'll wash yours ten years from now. Well you could be dead in ten years, or dishwashing technology could make major advances. In short, there's a lot of uncertainty about your value for this favor ten years out. So you counter: "In exchange for waiting ten years for you to reciprocate, maybe you could do my dishes twice when you finally do." If that sounds reasonable then so should a 7% interest rate, which implies that balances (whether positive or negative) should double every ten years.

In short, without interest no one would feel any urgency to pay back debts and society would collapse!

Daniel Reeves
Yahoo Research

Monday, November 20, 2006

Blogger Unknown said...

I'm also a little puzzled by your logic, or I have missed the point?

We all have a need at times to use things we cannot afford. If we hire a car or rent an apartment we will expect to pay for the privilege.

Sometimes we need, or want, to buy something but do not have the required capital. Few people have enough money to buy a house with cash, others do not have enough to buy a car, and businesses often need cash to start up or expand.

In such cases it is necessary to borrow money but why, when lending money, should this be free compared to renting an apartment or hiring a car when we would expect to pay?

Just as I would expect to receive something back if renting out my house (in the form of rent), if I lend someone money I would expect something back in the form of interest.

Did I miss your point?

Saturday, December 20, 2008

Blogger Unknown said...

Philip and dreeves missed THE point. That interest is sapping not facilitating exchange. Someone trades a back scratch today and yes...you have no guarantee or logical way of ensuring that you'll get a return.

The idea of a fee for borrowing and needing something you can't afford is a myth. "You can't always get what you want, but you get what you need!" If you want to imagine a fee for borrowing, that's the price the lender pays, for lending. With only the belief that they (the lender) will benefit from "BEING" the lender.

LET IT BE, don't tax the acts.

Friday, January 23, 2009

Blogger qrswave said...

thank you hal!

some people just don't recognize extortion when they see it...

Wednesday, January 28, 2009

Blogger Unknown said...

Happy to help and all ways ready to holla'. But one has to be a contortionist to "spot" extortionists: To pay or not to play...the master mind's may still bend the body's blinds.

Wednesday, January 28, 2009

Blogger Harrisonbergeron said...

Thanks!

I googled: "why does it cost the goverment interest to borrow its own money?"

..And it took me here.

That was pretty good, Thanks.

Saturday, February 14, 2009

Blogger Savio said...

I would like to add that in addition to charging interest on loans banks are permitted to do fractional banking i.e. loan out 10 Dollars if they have 1 Dollar on deposit and they expect to earn interest on each one of those virtual dollars. So for example a bank with a deposit of $1, loans out $10 with an interest rate of 10%, expects to get back the principle $10 and interest $1 at the end of the loan term, in effect a profit of 100% for the bank thanks to fractional banking.

The Monetary system in its current avatar is just one Big Ponzi Scheme, experiencing boom and bust cycles due to the practices of the monetary and banking system.

If you dig a little deeper you will realize that all the money in the system is already being charged interest. In fact every new dollar printed is charged interest the day it is printed, since all money in the system is created by the Federal Reserve buying government debt in the form of Treasury Bonds which bear interest. So really the banks are charging interest twice on the same money. Double Scam.

Friday, February 03, 2012

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