Thank you for this very well-written post, Glenn. Whenever I hear anyone refer to Dean as a symbol for pacifism and lefitsm, I right away know they are part of the blind hurd which regurgiates what they hear without thinking.
Because nothing is further from the truth. I loved Howard Dean because he was NOT a leftist but was a passionate candidate. That most people think he's a leftist shows how easily manipulated and led they are.
9:55 AM
Anonymous said...
Yeah, demanding that we pull our troops out of combat and siding with Nancy Pelosi is real conservative and a great way to show what a patriot you are.
Sorry, but your boy is a traitor and a hard-core liberal whether you want to face up to it or now.
11:42 AM
Anonymous said...
To this day I fight with people when they claim that Dean is some sort of liberal or is the face of the doves. I will start sending them this post and let it do the fighting for me.
2:48 PM
Anonymous said...
Eugene McCarthy was first and foremost a Catholic who hailed from the Dorothy Day wing of American Catholicism. U.S. Catholics had been predominantly Democrat until the Reagan years, when the Supreme Court courtesy of Roe sent many into the Republican Party, giving birth to what would become the modern religious right. McCarthy was deeply unhappy about that, and criticized the Reagan administration as being less Xian than FDR's and such. For him, entitlement spending, a ban on nuclear weapons, and civil rights were the paramount concerns for a Catholic.
In Once a Catholic,, an anthology collecting the ways in which the Church influenced prominent American Catholics, McCarthy observed:
"...the Church's response [to supporting anti-abortion candidates] is that their abortion position is justified because they're against nuclear war. The liberals, being pro-choice and anti-war, don't want anyone to be born but they want everybody who's already alive to live forever. Whereas the conservatives want everyone born that can be but they don't care how long they live or under what conditions...Those are the irreconcilable positions now."
Catholicism has a long tradition of teachings on economic matters that can be virtually socialist, notwithstanding that the Church -- and many American Catholics, e.g. Bill Buckley or JFK -- were fiercely anti-Communist. It can also be very anti-war, and so was Eugene McCarthy, who was an intellectual and academic who immersed himself in the theology of "social justice."
3:29 PM
Anonymous said...
Mr. Greenwald, you are right on!
It always astounds me that people believe the media caricature of Howard Dean. It seems people would raher believe pundits and political propaganda than reality.
If you want an accurate opinion on Howard Dean, ask the people who know him best; the citizens of Vermont.
They re-elected him 4 times!
4:30 PM
Anonymous said...
>genuine America-hater Rep. Cynthia McKinney
Glenn - If you paid attention to McKinney, you would see that such a smear has as little to do with what she actually says - which is pretty sensible - as the smears against Dean do with him. By repeating such a smear, you're no better than the smearers of Dean.
5:35 PM
Anonymous said...
Glenn:
I agree with everything you wrote except for your offhand slur against Rep. Cynthia McKinney. I doubt the Georgians who elected her regard her as genuinely Anti-American. I also find it odd that you threw in "socialist" to further discredit her. McKinney has been a consistent and outspoken critic of the Administration, succesfully cornering both Rumsfeld and Chertoff, something few Democratic Representatives have been able to do. Her comments (as opposed to comments falsely attributed to her by Fox, etc.) in 2002 that seemed so outrageous now seem pretty tame, much like Dean's.
In fact, most of the outrageous, anti-American, Kooky, etc., comments attributed to her were fabrications from the Right, with the exception of her father’s indefensible attacking "J-E-W-S" for her 2002 defeat. Clearly, her father is a racist, but assuming she agrees with him is just another form of smear. How many of us want to defend everything our parent's say?
It drives me nuts when good people back away from outspoken leftish critics. Every time liberals mention Chomsky, Sontag, Moore, Jane Fonda, McKinney, and, yes, Dean, they seem obligated to distance themselves from the shrill Chomsky, or the fact-challenged Moore, or the traitorous Fonda, or the Anti-American McKinney. I guess this is done to maintain the appearance of moderation, but there are plenty on the Right only too happy to smear their critics; they don’t need our help. Let's stand up for Dean, and everyone else who makes an honest argument against the lunatics running our Country.
I wish I had more time today to address the Cynthia McKinney issue, but I don't, so I will simply refer you to this article.
She clearly implied repeatedly that the U.S. Government was responsible for 9/11, or at least had forekowledge of it, and has accused the government of putting drugs into black ghettos. Her rhetoric about corporations seems based on the view that they are inherently evil, which is the first premise of socialism.
I'm open to opposing views, but my characterization of her is based on a long history of things like this.
6:06 PM
Anonymous said...
Hmm, the problem is worse than I thought. When good people use Front Page as a source of unbiased news, we are in trouble. I think "Osama bin Laden determined to attack US" pretty well proved McKinney's point on 9/11, but America wasn't willing to hear that in 2002.
Front Page is not my favorite source. It was simply the first article I found in a time-constrained search which contained the quotes from McKinney to which I was referring. Those quotes are not in dispute in terms of their authenticity, so attacking Front Page in this case is just a distraction.
Here is another article from The Boston Phoneix, with many of the same quotes and more.
McKinney didn't just say that Bush had warnings of a likely Al Qaeda attack such that he was negligent in not stopping it (a reasonable, although in my view unfair, allegation). Instead, she deliberately implied that he and other corporate interests purposely permitted the attacks to occur so that they could financially profit from it.
She has also taken money from avowed Hamas and Hezbollah supporters, blamed the U.S. Government for purposely importing and distributing drugs into black American neighborhoods, and made friendly and sympathetic overtures to individuals who assert that the 9/11 attacks are the fault of America.
There do seem to be a lot of efforts to use her father's comments, which you acknowledge are nakedly racist, against her, which is unfair. But she has said enough on her own to support the characterization I used in my post. As I said, I'm open to hearing why it's an unwarranted accusation - are her views being misrepresented, are the quotes wrong, taken out of context, etc? - but I was aware of these incidents when I wrote that sentence about her and having reviewed the sources in response to your comment, I can't say that I've changed my mind about it.
2:16 AM
Anonymous said...
Re: Frontpage. I've done the same thing, that is, when something I independently know to be true is at issue and while searching a Frontpage article comes right up that supports it, I will use the Frontpage link, but usually with a caveat.
Their online symposia are usually very interesting, but some of the free-standing authors have shaky credibility. Horowitz's scholarly pubs are very good and reliable, but his web site, including as it does some less than bright and reasonable authors, just isn't.
2:35 AM
Anonymous said...
McKinney didn't just say that Bush had warnings of a likely Al Qaeda attack such that he was negligent in not stopping it (a reasonable, although in my view unfair, allegation). Instead, she deliberately implied that he and other corporate interests purposely permitted the attacks to occur so that they could financially profit from it.
so what you're saying is that McKinney is anti-American, because she attacked Bush and "other corporate interests"? In other words, that Bush and the corporate interests are what defines America, and to be opposed to them is the same as being anti-American?
so what you're saying is that McKinney is anti-American, because she attacked Bush and "other corporate interests"?
No, that's quite plainly not what I'm saying. What I have said is that she is anti-American because she blames America and its government for pretty much everything - from 9/11 to the inner-city drug epidemic.
Criticizing a particular government is one thing, and doesn't make someone anti-American or a socialist. Siding with America's enemies -- such as Hamas and Hezbollah and people who say that 9/11 is America's fault -- and accusing the American government and American corporations of being the root of most of the world's evil, does.
If that doesn't make someone anti-American, what does? Who is anti-American and how do they differ from her?
1:54 PM
Anonymous said...
well, it's certainly not as easy to determine who our enemies are as it was, say 65 years ago, is it?
i tend to think that someone who goes through the trouble of, you know, being part of the political process, and being elected to represent 600,000 fellow citizens in the Congress of the United States, gets the benefit of the doubt when it comes to tossing around "anti-American" bombs.
Now, when we talk about "American" corporations, you may need to spend a little time clarifying what you mean. Do you mean corporations which were founded in the United States, but which now conduct much of their business overseas taking advantage of the enormous disparity in wages that can be paid to workers in developing countries, not to mention the lack of laws protecting working people from being forced to work unpaid ovetime, to work under unsafe conditions, to work without benefit of maternity leave or medical protection?
Cause you could, if you wanted to, make the judgement that corporations that engage in that kind of behavior were acting in a, you know, un-American fashion.
And where did you develop the notion that the view that corporations are inherently evil is "the first premise of socialism?" The first premise of socialism is that capital tends to function in a manner which is antithetical to the best interests of labor. The second premise is that labor has the right to organize in its own best interests. The third premise is that the profits resulting from a successful enterprise rightfully belong to all of the people, and not exclusively to the capital class.
Most socialist economies have corporations, some state-run, some privately owned, and some in partnership. The quasi-religious notion that a corporation is evil originates, i think, elsewhere.
2:31 PM
Anonymous said...
McKinney is definitely at the fringe and has indeed made innumerable obnoxious statements. But she's gotten a bum rap over the "9/11 conspiracy" thing. Greg Palast explains here and here. The interview that started it all appears here.
2:41 PM
Anonymous said...
bragin writes; i tend to think that someone who goes through the trouble of, you know, being part of the political process, and being elected to represent 600,000 fellow citizens in the Congress of the United States, gets the benefit of the doubt when it comes to tossing around "anti-American" bombs.
That is pretty naive. One might also think that the president of the United States would not include Stalinists (who posed as mere New Dealers) in his cabinet, or in top secret atomic research projects, but FDR unwittingly did just that. There was even a Stalinist elected to Congress, tho his name now escapes me. But I'll document all of this upon request.
With some important exceptions, to be on the far left is to be anti-American. A credible case can be made that Cynthia McKinney fits that bill.
3:49 PM
Anonymous said...
With some important exceptions, to be on the far left is to be anti-American.
I guess if you're part of the crowd that holds TailGunner Joe up as a paragon of American virtue, then yeah, i can see your point.
But as a general rule, the movement toward extending equal rights to all citizens of the United States, which is generally considered to be one of the reasons for holding the US up as a beacon in an otherwise dismal world, has been championed by those on the left side of the spectrum, and blocked by those on the right.
Unless you consider people like Lester Maddox and James Dobson to be, you know, leftists. Not that i'd call them anti-American or anything that provocative. Just that they have stood or are standing in the way of extending human rights to all US citizens.
And at least where i studied civics, that was a pretty important aspect of what America meant. You know, the whole "poor and huddled masses yearning to breathe free" thing that attracted so many of our ancestors to come here in the first place.
As far as your Stalinists go, i suspect a close reading of the works of Leo Strauss would reveal a methodology similar enough to what we usually mean by Stalinism that a hypothetical historian 50 years in the future would put a pretty good thesis together on the subject. And i'm sure you could rattle off the names of a dozen or so Straussians currently employed by the government, couldn't you?
well, it's certainly not as easy to determine who our enemies are as it was, say 65 years ago, is it?
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. In the case of groups which chant DEATH TO AMERICA and have as part of their core principles attacks on America, and which have attacked America in the past, I'd say it's pretty easy to conclude that they are anti-American, wouldn't you?
i tend to think that someone who goes through the trouble of, you know, being part of the political process, and being elected to represent 600,000 fellow citizens in the Congress of the United States, gets the benefit of the doubt when it comes to tossing around "anti-American" bombs.
Oh, really? Do you give right-wing Representatives that same presumption? When your friends over at Smirking Chimp call the duly elected Congressman Tom Delay and others fascists and the like, do you scold them by saying that he was elected by a district of 60,000 people?
And how about when such accusations are made against the President - sorry, the Smirking Chimp - such as, say that he wanted 9/11 to happen in order to enable his corporate buddies to profit. Do you lecture your friends about how ascribing those sorts of venal and psychopathic motives to Bush are inappropriate given that he was elected by 50 million people?
And now I keep hearing from McKinney defenders two different defenses which are mutually exclusive - that she never made the 9/11 comments and that she was justified and courageous in making them. Which is it? Did she say it or not?
And it's not particularly constructive to pretend to engage in a debate while constantly posing questions but ignoring those posed to you. I asked:
If that doesn't make someone anti-American, what does? Who is anti-American and how do they differ from her?
Since you think it's unwarranted to call McKinney "anti-American," you should be able to state your understanding of that term, when it's appropriate to use it, and who qualifies for it if McKinney doesn't?
If "anti-American" means anything, I'd say it means an inclination to blame America for every world problem, and to vigilantly search for America's guilt while downplaying, ignoring, or excusing the guilt of its enemeies. That's as good a defintion as I can think of.
Here is McKinney from the interview posted by Sven a few comments above. Note how she surveys the world's problems in different places and reaches the same conclusion for each: it's all evil America's fault - not just under the Smirking Chimp, but under Bill Clinton as well:
In 1994, after an act of terrorism killed two sitting presidents, the Clinton Administration purposely failed to prevent the genocide of one million Rwandans in order to install favorable regimes in the Central Africa region. In 1999, Madeleine Albright OK'd a Sierra Leone peace plan that positioned Foday Sankoh as Chairman of the Commission for the Management of Strategic Resources, a position that placed him answerable only to the President despite the fact that his terrorist organization raped little girls and chopped off their hands as it financed its way to power with illegal diamond sales. Jonas Savimbi, recently killed on the battlefield, helped the United States protect the minority rule of racists in South Africa and his organization continues to rampage across southern Africa in Angola, Namibia, parts of Congo-Kinshasha, and Rwanda without restriction, financed again by illegal diamond sales. The continued plunder of Africa's rich resources without penalty, and sadly with the knowledge and support of powerful people in the US, serves as the foundation of the particular terrorism that victimizes Africans. And now, as Africans grapple with the fundamental right to control their own resources, and despite United Nations reports making no such links, Bush Administration experts seem prepared to link African diamonds with anti-US terrorism, "necessitating" tightened US control over Africa's resources.
And so, with no concern at all for the effects on others of US-supported terrorism, the US, with its bombs and military, embarks on a worldwide crusade against terrorism that Bush says likely will last as many as twenty years. The list of target countries is long with Afghanistan, Somalia, Tanzania, Kenya, Sudan, the Philippines, and Iraq offering the starters.
But what of the fact that Henry Kissinger and the current new US Ambassador to Afghanistan, Zalmay Khalilzad, both once lobbied Washington, DC on behalf of a US oil company, Unocal, and a softer policy toward the Taliban?
Whose war is this really?
Nothing anti-American about that.
5:15 PM
Anonymous said...
Nothing anti-American about that.
You're a fucking jackass. Everything McKinney said in that piece you qouted is exactly right and irrefutable.
In other words, according to your drooling neo-liberalist pro-corporate whoring dogshit propaganda, anyone telling the truth about America is "anti-American".
Kiss my socialist ass.
7:56 PM
Anonymous said...
I guess if you're part of the crowd that holds TailGunner Joe up as a paragon of American virtue, then yeah, i can see your point.
That is a pure deflection from my true and accurate point, namely, that there is and long has been a segment of the American body politic, on the far left, that is anti-American. Whatever Joe McCarthy's sins, those of people like Alger Hiss, Harry Dexter White, and Ted Hall (a phsycist who before he died in 2001 proudly defended his having passed key information about the atomic bomb to Joseph Stalin) are infinitely worse.
If all you can think of to do is scream "McCarthyism" in light of the manifest heinousness of some leftists -- of their betrayal of the United States in the service of their Communist master -- then you are less than credible when opining as to whether anyone is or is not anti-American. It would seem there is no such thing as being anti-American in your worldview, and if I can demostrate that there is, then I must be a McCarthyite. (shrug)
But as a general rule, the movement toward extending equal rights to all citizens of the United States, which is generally considered to be one of the reasons for holding the US up as a beacon in an otherwise dismal world, has been championed by those on the left side of the spectrum, and blocked by those on the right.
That is true, but (and I write as one who does not self-identify as either left or right and who criticizes both ends of the spectrum) also irrelevan. The left has, in addition to its good works, also done wretched things; if Cynthia McKinney has made the statements discussed here, she has revealed that she is anti-American. Even if she is kind to children and small animals.
Hi folks, I haven't posted here before but this looks like a fun crowd so I hope you don't mind if I hang around here a bit. I hope I can contribute something.
Hypatia, I'm afraid you are a bit inconsistent here.
In an earlier post you said: "With some important exceptions, to be on the far left is to be anti-American."
Then later you stated: "That is a pure deflection from my true and accurate point, namely, that there is and long has been a segment of the American body politic, on the far left, that is anti-American."
The first statement implies that to be on the far-left is to be anti-American (less the exceptions). The second statement says that within the far-left group are some anti-Americans. This is a much narrower statement and certainly true. But within any goup you might find anti-Americans. For example, there might be anti-Americans among shoe salesman (not to offend any shoe salesmen).
Now I happen to believe that Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, and Ann Coulter are anti-Americans.
Why?
Because, in my opinion, these people earn a living by deliberately trying to divide and polarize the people of this country. Dividing and polarizing us makes us a weaker nation. If it were done in genuine pursuit of principle, that would be one thing. But these people do it just to increase their ratings (or marketability). That is why I consider these people anti-American.
12:17 AM
Anonymous said...
Hello Charlie.
I'm not sure what you find to be inconsistent in my two remarks. Since I had already made an exception in my initial proclamation regarding the far left, I simply felt it unnecessary to repeat it when reminding my critic that he had not addressed my point about the far left, when he sought to deflect said point by raising the spectre of Joseph McCarthy.
The far left is largely Marxist and generally its adherents stand in a militantly adversarial posture toward America and its culture. They literally feel and act as if they are aliens in a capitalist, classically liberal political and economic order, which they believe is wholly evil and corrupt. As history amply demonstrates, they will resort to violence in attempts to destroy and disrupt basic American institutions, and they will commit espionage on behalf of Marxist countries to whom they owe their actual allegiance. Or, they will assist and advocate for non-Marxist enemies of America, simply because they are enemies of the U.S.
Not all bad political beliefs are anti-American. Some, for instance, are unAmerican; Lester Maddox's beliefs would be such an example. But Maddox did not stand in hate-filled opposition to the United States -- neither do Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity. That is why they are not anti-American. Both are merely bloviating populist buffoons whom I dislike, but it is doubtful they would not merit a security clearance if there was reason they should have to seek one.
Hypatia, thank you for your thoughtful response to my post.
Regarding what I see as the logical inconsistency of your two posts:
Yes, your exception clause makes you technically correct. I am trying to make the point that it is a logical fallacy to claim that x implies y (far left implies anti-American) is the same as some y are x.
Your exception clause didn't seem to be a general exception; you seemed to have a few people in mind.
Perhaps I felt this one cut close to the bone as some people consider me to have far-left positions whereas I am certainly not a Marxist nor do any of the other descriptions you use of the "far-left" apply to me. So my guess is that you would not consider me far-left. However, I can assure you that my next door neighbor considers me far-far left.
Enough said on this point, it's a minor issue of what "far-left" means.
On the other issue, you make a distinction between anti-American and un-Amercan. I was not previously hip to this distinction so I'm fine with changing my description of those three bloviating buffoons (as you so aptly call them) to un-American.
My point is that while I agree they wouldn't violate a security clearance, they harm our country in a much more insidious way. I am being very serious here.
What would our national dialog be like if we didn't have highly paid bloviators working so hard to polarize us?
1:47 AM
Anonymous said...
Honestly Charlie, I think it has ever been the case that the national political conversation is polarized, uncivil and lacking in decency. To my mind, it is not unlike how every generation wrings its hands over kids today, imagining that in their youth they and their peers all behaved so much better.
A politician will be judged by the company he keeps.
Howard Dean put his name on the cover of "The Fahrenheit 9/11 Reader." That movie was the biggest piece of vicious hate-propaganda of the last decade at least, yet not only did he refuse to repudiate it, he's happy to write a forward to a book that sings its praises.
He still does smiling photo ops with extremist groups like Code Pink.
And I'm sorry, his views on Iraq and how we were supposedly "lied" into it profoundly alienated a lot of us, and continues to do so, driving away a lot of people who are quite centrist and even moderately left in most of our opinions.
Most of his views on Iraq are manifestly false, by the way, and regardless of their (dubious, in my view) merits, could have been expressed in a less vicious, nasty, and polarizing manner.
We had a consensus in this country that Howard Dean intentionally destroyed. I hated him for it then, and I still hate him for it now.
He isn't being smeared. Hell, he's not being kicked around even half as much as he deserves.
Nice things are being said today about Eugene McCarthy in the unlikeliest corners because he died yesterday. Here’s Paul at Powerline, in full-on disingenuous eulogy mode:
McCarthy's most ardent supporters were college students. Most of my anti-war friends preferred him to Kennedy, as I did (and still do). First, McCarthy had shown more guts than Kennedy by challenging Johnson before it was clear how weak the president's position was. Second, McCarthy came across as cool; Kennedy as anything but. Yet deep down, most of the college kids I knew were mainly just interested in becoming involved. . . .
In many respects, some of them superficial, Robert Kennedy's position in 1967 can be compared to Hillary Clinton's position today. It's more difficult identify the new Gene McCarthy (it's certainly not Howard Dean). He was one of a kind.
Despite the concerted effort to distinguish (with no reasons given) McCarthy from Howard Dean, everything which was said here (and elsewhere) in praise of Eugene McCarthy’s anti-war candidacy applies at least as much to Howard Dean’s presidential campaign. But Dean is still very much alive (and relevant) and McCarthy isn’t, so it’s safe to praise McCarthy but not Dean.
One of the most profoundly dishonest media distortions over the last decade was the almost instantaneous transformation of Howard Dean from what he really is and has long been – a non-ideological, sensible, solidly mainstream, and highly rational medical doctor, Vermont Governor and American citizen whose politics are decidedly moderate and even, with regard to many issues (such as states’ rights, government spending, gun control, and many others), quite conservative – into a freakish cartoon whose insanity and emotional instability are matched only by his rabid affection for socialism and Islamic terrorism. That patently false illusion persists today and will likely never be expunged from many minds.
But whatever else one thinks of Dean, it is impossible to praise McCarthy’s candidacy without praising Dean’s candidacy as well. The factors cited by Paul for admiring McCarthy -- the adoption of his anti-war stance before it was safe and popular, the way in which he galvanized young voters, the obvious authenticity of his beliefs, even his "cool" image -- are all entirely applicable to Howard Dean.
Dean's criticism of the Iraq war has never been even remotely pacifistic, but instead has always been pragmatic, even arguably hawkish. Dean's opposition to this war was predicated upon the (now vindicated) belief that our invasion would distract attention and resources from combating real threats to the U.S., would unleash all sorts of undesirable outcomes, and was based on an exaggerated assessment of the threat posed by Saddam. And while Bush Administration officials and pro-war advocates were issuing absurdly optimistic and inaccurate predictions of what was to come, the highly rational, pragmatic and non-ideological reasons given by Dean for opposing the war were, as it turned out, downright prescient.
Moreover, once we were in Iraq, Dean was at least as hawkish as any other Democratic candidate, and much more hawkish than most of them, about the need to win in Iraq. Once we had invaded and the insurgency flourished, he criticized the Administration for insufficient resolve in our commitment to winning there.
But few people realize any of that today because Dean – who supported both the first Gulf War and the invasion of Afghanistan – has been outrageously depicted as a zen-chanting pacifist, some sort of hideous leftist hybrid of Joan Baez, Ward Churchill, and Abbie Hoffman, all rolled into one bike-riding, mentally ill, terrorist sympathizing hippy. Just yesterday, Norman Podhoretz in Commentarydisgustingly paired Dean with socialist and genuine America-hater Rep. Cynthia McKinney as examples of today’s "Tories" -- those individuals whose allegiance in the Revolutionary War lay not with America but with the British Crown.
Even more significant than Dean’s substantive and largely accurate criticisms of the Iraq war was the effect which his candidacy had on the political dynamic in this country. Like McCarthy’s candidacy, it obviously galvanized huge numbers of young and first-time voters who never had any previous (or subsequent) interest in the political process. But even more so, Dean was one of the very few mainstream political figures willing to stand up and aggressively criticize the President in the 9/11-driven militarized climate in 2002 and 2003, which was characterized by an intimidated reverence for George Bush as the Commander-in-Chief.
It was the time of the almost-unanimously and hastily passed Patriot Act, anthrax attacks, a para-military presence in many of our nation’s cities, Homeland Security alerts, and sky-high popularity ratings for Bush. Most Democrats were cowed into submission, virtually always endorsing every Bush desire and offering only the meekest and most apologetic resistance when they resisted at all.
Howard Dean single-handedly exploded that repressive environment. He galvanized young voters and the Left not because he spouted socialistic ideals or leftist rhetoric (he did not). He energized his supporters because – like the praise for McCarthy today describes – he took his anti-war stand at a time when it was highly unpopular to do so, long before it was safe to do so, and did so unapologetically, with passion and conviction rare for political candidates, leaving it impossible to doubt the authenticity of his beliefs.
And Dean wasn’t the least bit intimidated by George Bush, and wasn’t the slightest bit afraid to challenge and criticize the highly popular President. As a result, Dean forced other Democrats to at least pretend that they had a spine, and he diffused the idea that Democrats, and even Republicans -- in the wake of 9/11 -- had to cower meekly and obediently in the corner and give carte blanche to George Bush as the Great Leader to do whatever he wanted. Regardless of whether one agrees with Dean’s views or not, that was an invaluable service he performed for American politics.
Dean was a threat not just to Republicans, but even more so to establishment Democrats and the privileged media stars who always are hostile to outsiders. That was why it was so easy to caricature and destroy him. He had no real defenders in any power circles to battle against the smear campaign.
Dean is not and never was the crazed Leftist which he has been depicted to be. He is to the right of most Democrats on many vital issues, and he governed Vermont for 10 years as a hard-core fiscal conservative. What he was, and is, is a passionate opponent of Bush’s invasion of Iraq, which -- contrary to prevailing wisdom -- makes one neither a Leftist nor a hater of America. As the praise for Eugene McCarthy streams forth over the next couple of days, it is worth analyzing that praise and appreciating its wholesale applicability to Howard Dean.
posted by Glenn Greenwald at 8:28 AM on Dec 11, 2005
"Eugene McCarthy & the Smearing of Howard Dean"
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Thank you for this very well-written post, Glenn. Whenever I hear anyone refer to Dean as a symbol for pacifism and lefitsm, I right away know they are part of the blind hurd which regurgiates what they hear without thinking.
Because nothing is further from the truth. I loved Howard Dean because he was NOT a leftist but was a passionate candidate. That most people think he's a leftist shows how easily manipulated and led they are.
9:55 AM
Yeah, demanding that we pull our troops out of combat and siding with Nancy Pelosi is real conservative and a great way to show what a patriot you are.
Sorry, but your boy is a traitor and a hard-core liberal whether you want to face up to it or now.
11:42 AM
To this day I fight with people when they claim that Dean is some sort of liberal or is the face of the doves. I will start sending them this post and let it do the fighting for me.
2:48 PM
Eugene McCarthy was first and foremost a Catholic who hailed from the Dorothy Day wing of American Catholicism. U.S. Catholics had been predominantly Democrat until the Reagan years, when the Supreme Court courtesy of Roe sent many into the Republican Party, giving birth to what would become the modern religious right. McCarthy was deeply unhappy about that, and criticized the Reagan administration as being less Xian than FDR's and such. For him, entitlement spending, a ban on nuclear weapons, and civil rights were the paramount concerns for a Catholic.
In Once a Catholic,, an anthology collecting the ways in which the Church influenced prominent American Catholics, McCarthy observed:
"...the Church's response [to supporting anti-abortion candidates] is that their abortion position is justified because they're against nuclear war. The liberals, being pro-choice and anti-war, don't want anyone to be born but they want everybody who's already alive to live forever. Whereas the conservatives want everyone born that can be but they don't care how long they live or under what conditions...Those are the irreconcilable positions now."
Catholicism has a long tradition of teachings on economic matters that can be virtually socialist, notwithstanding that the Church -- and many American Catholics, e.g. Bill Buckley or JFK -- were fiercely anti-Communist. It can also be very anti-war, and so was Eugene McCarthy, who was an intellectual and academic who immersed himself in the theology of "social justice."
3:29 PM
Mr. Greenwald, you are right on!
It always astounds me that people believe the media caricature of Howard Dean. It seems people would raher believe pundits and political propaganda than reality.
If you want an accurate opinion on Howard Dean, ask the people who know him best; the citizens of Vermont.
They re-elected him 4 times!
4:30 PM
>genuine America-hater Rep. Cynthia McKinney
Glenn - If you paid attention to McKinney, you would see that such a smear has as little to do with what she actually says - which is pretty sensible - as the smears against Dean do with him. By repeating such a smear, you're no better than the smearers of Dean.
5:35 PM
Glenn:
I agree with everything you wrote except for your offhand slur against Rep. Cynthia McKinney. I doubt the Georgians who elected her regard her as genuinely Anti-American. I also find it odd that you threw in "socialist" to further discredit her. McKinney has been a consistent and outspoken critic of the Administration, succesfully cornering both Rumsfeld and Chertoff, something few Democratic Representatives have been able to do. Her comments (as opposed to comments falsely attributed to her by Fox, etc.) in 2002 that seemed so outrageous now seem pretty tame, much like Dean's.
In fact, most of the outrageous, anti-American, Kooky, etc., comments attributed to her were fabrications from the Right, with the exception of her father’s indefensible attacking "J-E-W-S" for her 2002 defeat. Clearly, her father is a racist, but assuming she agrees with him is just another form of smear. How many of us want to defend everything our parent's say?
It drives me nuts when good people back away from outspoken leftish critics. Every time liberals mention Chomsky, Sontag, Moore, Jane Fonda, McKinney, and, yes, Dean, they seem obligated to distance themselves from the shrill Chomsky, or the fact-challenged Moore, or the traitorous Fonda, or the Anti-American McKinney. I guess this is done to maintain the appearance of moderation, but there are plenty on the Right only too happy to smear their critics; they don’t need our help. Let's stand up for Dean, and everyone else who makes an honest argument against the lunatics running our Country.
5:38 PM
I wish I had more time today to address the Cynthia McKinney issue, but I don't, so I will simply refer you to this article.
She clearly implied repeatedly that the U.S. Government was responsible for 9/11, or at least had forekowledge of it, and has accused the government of putting drugs into black ghettos. Her rhetoric about corporations seems based on the view that they are inherently evil, which is the first premise of socialism.
I'm open to opposing views, but my characterization of her is based on a long history of things like this.
6:06 PM
Hmm, the problem is worse than I thought. When good people use Front Page as a source of unbiased news, we are in trouble. I think "Osama bin Laden determined to attack US" pretty well proved McKinney's point on 9/11, but America wasn't willing to hear that in 2002.
1:40 AM
Front Page is not my favorite source. It was simply the first article I found in a time-constrained search which contained the quotes from McKinney to which I was referring. Those quotes are not in dispute in terms of their authenticity, so attacking Front Page in this case is just a distraction.
Here is another article from The Boston Phoneix, with many of the same quotes and more.
McKinney didn't just say that Bush had warnings of a likely Al Qaeda attack such that he was negligent in not stopping it (a reasonable, although in my view unfair, allegation). Instead, she deliberately implied that he and other corporate interests purposely permitted the attacks to occur so that they could financially profit from it.
She has also taken money from avowed Hamas and Hezbollah supporters, blamed the U.S. Government for purposely importing and distributing drugs into black American neighborhoods, and made friendly and sympathetic overtures to individuals who assert that the 9/11 attacks are the fault of America.
There do seem to be a lot of efforts to use her father's comments, which you acknowledge are nakedly racist, against her, which is unfair. But she has said enough on her own to support the characterization I used in my post. As I said, I'm open to hearing why it's an unwarranted accusation - are her views being misrepresented, are the quotes wrong, taken out of context, etc? - but I was aware of these incidents when I wrote that sentence about her and having reviewed the sources in response to your comment, I can't say that I've changed my mind about it.
2:16 AM
Re: Frontpage. I've done the same thing, that is, when something I independently know to be true is at issue and while searching a Frontpage article comes right up that supports it, I will use the Frontpage link, but usually with a caveat.
Their online symposia are usually very interesting, but some of the free-standing authors have shaky credibility. Horowitz's scholarly pubs are very good and reliable, but his web site, including as it does some less than bright and reasonable authors, just isn't.
2:35 AM
McKinney didn't just say that Bush had warnings of a likely Al Qaeda attack such that he was negligent in not stopping it (a reasonable, although in my view unfair, allegation). Instead, she deliberately implied that he and other corporate interests purposely permitted the attacks to occur so that they could financially profit from it.
so what you're saying is that McKinney is anti-American, because she attacked Bush and "other corporate interests"? In other words, that Bush and the corporate interests are what defines America, and to be opposed to them is the same as being anti-American?
1:02 PM
so what you're saying is that McKinney is anti-American, because she attacked Bush and "other corporate interests"?
No, that's quite plainly not what I'm saying. What I have said is that she is anti-American because she blames America and its government for pretty much everything - from 9/11 to the inner-city drug epidemic.
Criticizing a particular government is one thing, and doesn't make someone anti-American or a socialist. Siding with America's enemies -- such as Hamas and Hezbollah and people who say that 9/11 is America's fault -- and accusing the American government and American corporations of being the root of most of the world's evil, does.
If that doesn't make someone anti-American, what does? Who is anti-American and how do they differ from her?
1:54 PM
well, it's certainly not as easy to determine who our enemies are as it was, say 65 years ago, is it?
i tend to think that someone who goes through the trouble of, you know, being part of the political process, and being elected to represent 600,000 fellow citizens in the Congress of the United States, gets the benefit of the doubt when it comes to tossing around "anti-American" bombs.
Now, when we talk about "American" corporations, you may need to spend a little time clarifying what you mean. Do you mean corporations which were founded in the United States, but which now conduct much of their business overseas taking advantage of the enormous disparity in wages that can be paid to workers in developing countries, not to mention the lack of laws protecting working people from being forced to work unpaid ovetime, to work under unsafe conditions, to work without benefit of maternity leave or medical protection?
Cause you could, if you wanted to, make the judgement that corporations that engage in that kind of behavior were acting in a, you know, un-American fashion.
And where did you develop the notion that the view that corporations are inherently evil is "the first premise of socialism?" The first premise of socialism is that capital tends to function in a manner which is antithetical to the best interests of labor. The second premise is that labor has the right to organize in its own best interests. The third premise is that the profits resulting from a successful enterprise rightfully belong to all of the people, and not exclusively to the capital class.
Most socialist economies have corporations, some state-run, some privately owned, and some in partnership. The quasi-religious notion that a corporation is evil originates, i think, elsewhere.
2:31 PM
McKinney is definitely at the fringe and has indeed made innumerable obnoxious statements. But she's gotten a bum rap over the "9/11 conspiracy" thing. Greg Palast explains here and here. The interview that started it all appears here.
2:41 PM
bragin writes; i tend to think that someone who goes through the trouble of, you know, being part of the political process, and being elected to represent 600,000 fellow citizens in the Congress of the United States, gets the benefit of the doubt when it comes to tossing around "anti-American" bombs.
That is pretty naive. One might also think that the president of the United States would not include Stalinists (who posed as mere New Dealers) in his cabinet, or in top secret atomic research projects, but FDR unwittingly did just that. There was even a Stalinist elected to Congress, tho his name now escapes me. But I'll document all of this upon request.
With some important exceptions, to be on the far left is to be anti-American. A credible case can be made that Cynthia McKinney fits that bill.
3:49 PM
With some important exceptions, to be on the far left is to be anti-American.
I guess if you're part of the crowd that holds TailGunner Joe up as a paragon of American virtue, then yeah, i can see your point.
But as a general rule, the movement toward extending equal rights to all citizens of the United States, which is generally considered to be one of the reasons for holding the US up as a beacon in an otherwise dismal world, has been championed by those on the left side of the spectrum, and blocked by those on the right.
Unless you consider people like Lester Maddox and James Dobson to be, you know, leftists. Not that i'd call them anti-American or anything that provocative. Just that they have stood or are standing in the way of extending human rights to all US citizens.
And at least where i studied civics, that was a pretty important aspect of what America meant. You know, the whole "poor and huddled masses yearning to breathe free" thing that attracted so many of our ancestors to come here in the first place.
As far as your Stalinists go, i suspect a close reading of the works of Leo Strauss would reveal a methodology similar enough to what we usually mean by Stalinism that a hypothetical historian 50 years in the future would put a pretty good thesis together on the subject. And i'm sure you could rattle off the names of a dozen or so Straussians currently employed by the government, couldn't you?
5:00 PM
well, it's certainly not as easy to determine who our enemies are as it was, say 65 years ago, is it?
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. In the case of groups which chant DEATH TO AMERICA and have as part of their core principles attacks on America, and which have attacked America in the past, I'd say it's pretty easy to conclude that they are anti-American, wouldn't you?
i tend to think that someone who goes through the trouble of, you know, being part of the political process, and being elected to represent 600,000 fellow citizens in the Congress of the United States, gets the benefit of the doubt when it comes to tossing around "anti-American" bombs.
Oh, really? Do you give right-wing Representatives that same presumption? When your friends over at Smirking Chimp call the duly elected Congressman Tom Delay and others fascists and the like, do you scold them by saying that he was elected by a district of 60,000 people?
And how about when such accusations are made against the President - sorry, the Smirking Chimp - such as, say that he wanted 9/11 to happen in order to enable his corporate buddies to profit. Do you lecture your friends about how ascribing those sorts of venal and psychopathic motives to Bush are inappropriate given that he was elected by 50 million people?
And now I keep hearing from McKinney defenders two different defenses which are mutually exclusive - that she never made the 9/11 comments and that she was justified and courageous in making them. Which is it? Did she say it or not?
And it's not particularly constructive to pretend to engage in a debate while constantly posing questions but ignoring those posed to you. I asked:
If that doesn't make someone anti-American, what does? Who is anti-American and how do they differ from her?
Since you think it's unwarranted to call McKinney "anti-American," you should be able to state your understanding of that term, when it's appropriate to use it, and who qualifies for it if McKinney doesn't?
5:05 PM
If "anti-American" means anything, I'd say it means an inclination to blame America for every world problem, and to vigilantly search for America's guilt while downplaying, ignoring, or excusing the guilt of its enemeies. That's as good a defintion as I can think of.
Here is McKinney from the interview posted by Sven a few comments above. Note how she surveys the world's problems in different places and reaches the same conclusion for each: it's all evil America's fault - not just under the Smirking Chimp, but under Bill Clinton as well:
In 1994, after an act of terrorism killed two sitting presidents, the Clinton Administration purposely failed to prevent the genocide of one million Rwandans in order to install favorable regimes in the Central Africa region. In 1999, Madeleine Albright OK'd a Sierra Leone peace plan that positioned Foday Sankoh as Chairman of the Commission for the Management of Strategic Resources, a position that placed him answerable only to the President despite the fact that his terrorist organization raped little girls and
chopped off their hands as it financed its way to power with illegal diamond sales. Jonas Savimbi, recently killed on the battlefield, helped the United States protect the minority rule of racists in South Africa and his organization continues to rampage across southern Africa in Angola, Namibia, parts of Congo-Kinshasha, and Rwanda without restriction, financed again by illegal diamond sales. The continued plunder of Africa's rich resources without penalty, and sadly with the knowledge and support of powerful people in the US, serves as the foundation of the particular terrorism that victimizes Africans. And now, as Africans grapple with the fundamental right to control their own resources, and despite United Nations reports making no such links, Bush Administration experts seem prepared to link African diamonds with anti-US terrorism, "necessitating" tightened US control over Africa's resources.
And so, with no concern at all for the effects on others of US-supported terrorism, the US, with its bombs and military, embarks on a worldwide crusade against terrorism that Bush says likely will last as many as twenty years. The list of target countries is long with Afghanistan, Somalia, Tanzania, Kenya, Sudan, the Philippines, and Iraq offering the starters.
But what of the fact that Henry Kissinger and the current new US Ambassador to Afghanistan, Zalmay Khalilzad, both once lobbied Washington, DC on behalf of a US oil company, Unocal, and a softer policy toward the Taliban?
Whose war is this really?
Nothing anti-American about that.
5:15 PM
Nothing anti-American about that.
You're a fucking jackass. Everything McKinney said in that piece you qouted is exactly right and irrefutable.
In other words, according to your drooling neo-liberalist pro-corporate whoring dogshit propaganda, anyone telling the truth about America is "anti-American".
Kiss my socialist ass.
7:56 PM
I guess if you're part of the crowd that holds TailGunner Joe up as a paragon of American virtue, then yeah, i can see your point.
That is a pure deflection from my true and accurate point, namely, that there is and long has been a segment of the American body politic, on the far left, that is anti-American. Whatever Joe McCarthy's sins, those of people like Alger Hiss, Harry Dexter White, and Ted Hall (a phsycist who before he died in 2001 proudly defended his having passed key information about the atomic bomb to Joseph Stalin) are infinitely worse.
If all you can think of to do is scream "McCarthyism" in light of the manifest heinousness of some leftists -- of their betrayal of the United States in the service of their Communist master -- then you are less than credible when opining as to whether anyone is or is not anti-American. It would seem there is no such thing as being anti-American in your worldview, and if I can demostrate that there is, then I must be a McCarthyite. (shrug)
But as a general rule, the movement toward extending equal rights to all citizens of the United States, which is generally considered to be one of the reasons for holding the US up as a beacon in an otherwise dismal world, has been championed by those on the left side of the spectrum, and blocked by those on the right.
That is true, but (and I write as one who does not self-identify as either left or right and who criticizes both ends of the spectrum) also irrelevan. The left has, in addition to its good works, also done wretched things; if Cynthia McKinney has made the statements discussed here, she has revealed that she is anti-American. Even if she is kind to children and small animals.
8:02 PM
Hi folks, I haven't posted here before but this looks like a fun crowd so I hope you don't mind if I hang around here a bit. I hope I can contribute something.
Hypatia, I'm afraid you are a bit inconsistent here.
In an earlier post you said:
"With some important exceptions, to be on the far left is to be anti-American."
Then later you stated:
"That is a pure deflection from my true and accurate point, namely, that there is and long has been a segment of the American body politic, on the far left, that is anti-American."
The first statement implies that to be on the far-left is to be anti-American (less the exceptions). The second statement says that within the far-left group are some anti-Americans. This is a much narrower statement and certainly true. But within any goup you might find anti-Americans. For example, there might be anti-Americans among shoe salesman (not to offend any shoe salesmen).
Now I happen to believe that Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, and Ann Coulter are anti-Americans.
Why?
Because, in my opinion, these people earn a living by deliberately trying to divide and polarize the people of this country. Dividing and polarizing us makes us a weaker nation. If it were done in genuine pursuit of principle, that would be one thing. But these people do it just to increase their ratings (or marketability). That is why I consider these people anti-American.
12:17 AM
Hello Charlie.
I'm not sure what you find to be inconsistent in my two remarks. Since I had already made an exception in my initial proclamation regarding the far left, I simply felt it unnecessary to repeat it when reminding my critic that he had not addressed my point about the far left, when he sought to deflect said point by raising the spectre of Joseph McCarthy.
The far left is largely Marxist and generally its adherents stand in a militantly adversarial posture toward America and its culture. They literally feel and act as if they are aliens in a capitalist, classically liberal political and economic order, which they believe is wholly evil and corrupt. As history amply demonstrates, they will resort to violence in attempts to destroy and disrupt basic American institutions, and they will commit espionage on behalf of Marxist countries to whom they owe their actual allegiance. Or, they will assist and advocate for non-Marxist enemies of America, simply because they are enemies of the U.S.
Not all bad political beliefs are anti-American. Some, for instance, are unAmerican; Lester Maddox's beliefs would be such an example. But Maddox did not stand in hate-filled opposition to the United States -- neither do Bill O'Reilly or Sean Hannity. That is why they are not anti-American. Both are merely bloviating populist buffoons whom I dislike, but it is doubtful they would not merit a security clearance if there was reason they should have to seek one.
1:21 AM
Hypatia, thank you for your thoughtful response to my post.
Regarding what I see as the logical inconsistency of your two posts:
Yes, your exception clause makes you technically correct. I am trying to make the point that it is a logical fallacy to claim that x implies y (far left implies anti-American) is the same as some y are x.
Your exception clause didn't seem to be a general exception; you seemed to have a few people in mind.
Perhaps I felt this one cut close to the bone as some people consider me to have far-left positions whereas I am certainly not a Marxist nor do any of the other descriptions you use of the "far-left" apply to me. So my guess is that you would not consider me far-left. However, I can assure you that my next door neighbor considers me far-far left.
Enough said on this point, it's a minor issue of what "far-left" means.
On the other issue, you make a distinction between anti-American and un-Amercan. I was not previously hip to this distinction so I'm fine with changing my description of those three bloviating buffoons (as you so aptly call them) to un-American.
My point is that while I agree they wouldn't violate a security clearance, they harm our country in a much more insidious way. I am being very serious here.
What would our national dialog be like if we didn't have highly paid bloviators working so hard to polarize us?
1:47 AM
Honestly Charlie, I think it has ever been the case that the national political conversation is polarized, uncivil and lacking in decency. To my mind, it is not unlike how every generation wrings its hands over kids today, imagining that in their youth they and their peers all behaved so much better.
2:17 AM
That's a truly fascinating link you posted. I never knew that before. But the last line was sobering:
"The nation, suffering from the breakdown of reasoned discourse that this event symbolized, tumbled onward toward the catastrophe of civil war."
2:29 AM
Thanks for the article. Nietzsche was right and is right about the "Noble".
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A politician will be judged by the company he keeps.
Howard Dean put his name on the cover of "The Fahrenheit 9/11 Reader." That movie was the biggest piece of vicious hate-propaganda of the last decade at least, yet not only did he refuse to repudiate it, he's happy to write a forward to a book that sings its praises.
He still does smiling photo ops with extremist groups like Code Pink.
And I'm sorry, his views on Iraq and how we were supposedly "lied" into it profoundly alienated a lot of us, and continues to do so, driving away a lot of people who are quite centrist and even moderately left in most of our opinions.
Most of his views on Iraq are manifestly false, by the way, and regardless of their (dubious, in my view) merits, could have been expressed in a less vicious, nasty, and polarizing manner.
We had a consensus in this country that Howard Dean intentionally destroyed. I hated him for it then, and I still hate him for it now.
He isn't being smeared. Hell, he's not being kicked around even half as much as he deserves.
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