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"Fuel dump of Zuma's Falcon 9 Upper Stage observed by a Dutch pilot over east Africa (and rumours that Zuma failed)"

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9/1/18 18:18

Blogger jim oberg said...

Here for comparison is a random collection of post-insertion propellant dumps over the history of the Space Age:
http://satobs.org/seesat_ref/misc/Space_clouds-Strange_Spinoff_of_the_Space_Age.pdf

9/1/18 20:38

Blogger Unknown said...

If Zuma was not released from 2nd stage after achieving orbit, wouldn't deorbiting be delayed while they tried to sort it?

9/1/18 20:39

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9/1/18 21:29

Blogger SatTrackCam Leiden said...

Jim, here is an example from an earlier Falcon 9 flight:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/06/05/oh-those-falcon-ufos/#.WlUWq5btSrV

9/1/18 23:00

Blogger Unknown said...

My cousin saw this object on monday 8th of January at 5am whil he was going to the morning prayer this sighting was in Kartoum North Sudan ...

10/1/18 07:40

Blogger Unknown said...

see more detels and photo about this topic in this post on facebook https://www.facebook.com/ali.ali.562/posts/1515280118587551

10/1/18 09:15

Blogger Unknown said...

Iam from sudan and i see this case

10/1/18 09:17

Blogger SatTrackCam Leiden said...

Ali, those are indeed very nice images of the event!

10/1/18 12:22

Blogger Jeroen said...

Hey; de beelden zijn gebruikt door deze youtuber: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkFo34N6wLo
Misschien best eens Youtube hiervan op de hoogte brengen.

11/1/18 00:40

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11/1/18 03:11

Blogger Unknown said...

Hello. This article is really interesting.
I would like to write a blog post about Zuma mission, and I was wondering would you allow me to present the analysis made in this article in my blog? I will cite the source accordingly.
I am looking forward to your reply.

11/1/18 18:58

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12/1/18 03:18

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12/1/18 03:31

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12/1/18 03:35

Blogger unforlivin said...

Speculation:
In 1966-1972, the USSR conducted tests of a Fractional Orbit Bombardment System (FOBS). An operational Soviet FOBS involved placing a nuclear warhead in low Earth orbit, although the Soviet tests all involved dummy warheads. Unlike an ICBM, which arcs upward for many hundreds of miles and thus clears the horizon of an early warning system at least 20 minutes before impact, the FOBS is placed in an exceedingly low but temporarily stable orbit of 95-110 miles, where it is deorbited at will with less than 6 minutes warning for the target. In addition, FOBS approach from the southwest whereas all our cold war warning systems were geared for attack from the northwest--the DEW line, etc.

Given that background, consider the that this Zuma launch was not launched into the typical polar orbit of an imaging spy satellite, or the geostationary transfer orbit of a signals intelligence or early warning satellite. Consider also the super secrecy around this shot and the fact that its 50 degree inclination orbit was ideal for passing over Pyongyang, North Korea.

Now that nobody claims any particular component of Space X's launch vehicle performed to anything less than perfection, yet given that it may not have completed an orbit, speculation is that it failed. Amateur astronomers report that the second stage reached stable orbit. Yet many questions still remain unanswered. Such as, instead of a low temporarily stable orbit of 95-110 miles was Zuma put in a high temorarily stable orbit (alike a kinetic energy weapon)?

Factoring the above, Zuma could be a FOBS system and mission test--dry run. A mission simulating/testing taking out North Korea's nuclear capability (at least) with little or no warning, and that its delivery system and dummy warheads tested precisely as planned and was deorbited to the Indian Ocean target before the completion of its first orbit.

Soviet FOBS program background information is publicly available, and historically for many decades.

The Unites States has not developed a FOBS program.... until now?

Hmm... suprising that Kim Jong-un is suddenly squishy-friendly?

12/1/18 04:07

Blogger Thomas Dorman said...

Marco
How confident are you in the last Tle's you post on Zuma? Second in the image from the Sudan there looks like a satellite track above the spiral fuel dump at the upper edge of the image. Do you have any information on the how this shot was taken such as the camera or device ,was it a time exposure, F stop,lens focal length, thing like that? Have a 80 degree pass here this evening going to have another look for the Zuma satellite any help with a guess or Tle update would be apprecated!

12/1/18 17:22

Blogger SatTrackCam Leiden said...

Thomas: the TLE's are indications only and should not be taken too strict. Allow for considerable leeway in pass time and crosstrack error.
Good luck with the hunt: I am clouded out here (for days to come it seems).

12/1/18 17:40

Blogger Moutaman Mirghani said...

Yes Nagla, many persons in different cities in Sudan have seen that strange view. We in the Institute of Space Research and Aerospace in Sudan are following that issue.

12/1/18 17:44

Blogger PeterVermont said...

If the satellite did not detach from the second stage, would the de-orbit have worked properly with the extra mass of the satellite?

In other words, can the observations related to the de-orbiting tell us whether the satellite was still attached?

Someone else asked why they would de-orbit so quickly if there was a problem. I read somewhere (sorry - no link and no assurance of accuracy) that the second stage has only limited power and must de-orbit on schedule to ensure that the fuel does not freeze.

20/1/18 17:18

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