ycscro24The 'retrograde' (east to west) actually supports the idea that it was debris from the launch of a Spy satellite (which is, by its nature, unlisted). The slow, shallow and fragmenting (and by certain accounts multicoloured) object are all hallmarks of a large re-entering piece of manmade orbital debris. So the possibility still remains that it was spacejunk.
I should also add that, personally, i do think it was likely a meteor.
If this was man-made space debris, it *must* be a from a classified object indeed. However, the larger classified pieces are tracked by us amateurs. We have no classified pieces which we track that are likely decay candidates. We can account for the FIA's for example (the rocket bodies of that launch were deliberately de-orbitted right after launch). The Israeli Ofeq/Shavit are no candidates as their orbitral inclinations never take them over the Netherlands and the British Isles. And there are simply no other suitable retrograde objects.
Slow, shallow entry, fragmenting and multicoloured: these descriptions apply as much to a meteorite-dropping fireball.
24/9/12 14:10
UPDATE (24/9/2012):more and definite arguments that this was not a reentering satellite, can be read here in my follow-up post from Sep 24th. This includes a first rough trajectory reconstruction for this fireball.
Reports are pouring in from The Netherlands, Britain, Ireland and other N-European countries about a very bright, extremely slow fragmenting fireball appearing around 21:45 - 21:55 GMT (23:45 -23:55 CEST) on the evening of 21 September 2012.
Various video's have been posted on Youtube, notably by observers from Britain (large parts of the Netherlands were clouded out, including the all-sky stations):
Because of the unusually long duration and slow movement, some people have suggested the possibility of a satellite reentry. For various reasons, this is however very unlikely.
Multiple reports make clear the object was moving from east to west. A report of observers from Bussloo Observatory, the Netherlands, for examples states that the fireball appeared in the north, moving from Perseus to Bootes, almost horizontally from east to west. Similar reports (e.g. here and here) come from Ireland.
Almost all non-polar satellites move prograde, from west to east (or north-south and v.v. for a polar orbit). An east to west movement would necessitate the object to have a retrograde orbit (meaning that it moves counter to the earth's direction of rotation). Such objects are extremely rare: they literally amount to only a handful of objects (including the US FIA Radar satellites, and the Israeli Ofeq/Shavit satellites/rb). For this reason, it is extremely unlikely that this fireball was a reentering satellite.
Update 24 Sep: in the comments to this blog post, the issue was raised of the potential reentry of a classified object. However, the larger classified pieces are tracked by us amateurs. We
have no likely decay
candidates among the retrograde objects that we track. We can account for and hence exclude the FIA's for example (the rocket bodies
of that launch were deliberately de-orbitted right after launch so are no candidates either). The
Israeli Ofeq/Shavit are no candidates as their orbital inclinations
never take them over the Netherlands and the British Isles. And there
are simply no other suitable retrograde objects -- end of update.
There are moreover no unclassified reentry candidates for this date listed by USSTRATCOM on their space-track portal. Given the brightness of the fireball, this should have been a seizable chunk of space debris, that really would have been tracked (and predicted). Again, this makes it very unlikely that this fireball was a satellite reentry.
While the duration of the fireball is unusual, it is not unprecedented. In many ways, the descriptions and video are reminiscent of the Peekskill fireball that dropped meteorites near Peekskill in 1992:
(below: two video's of Peekskill fireball, 1992)
It is therefore my opinion that the 21 September fireball was most likely of meteoric origin: a chunk of asteroid. Alas, any surviving remains appear to have splashed down in sea (update: or possibly Scotland - N. Ireland).
The duration of the event, though not unprecedented, is certainly unusual and for this reason, I am saying "most likely not" rather than "certainly not".
UPDATE (12:45 GMT, 22 Sep): another bright fireball was widely seen from the US and Canada that same night near 20:30 GMT. There was at least one hour inbetween the two events, so they do not appear to be related (i.e. they do not concern the same fireball).
UPDATE 2 (13:30 GMT, 22 Sep): Suggestions that the fireball might be related to Chinese CZ-4 space debris, catalogue #26213, are plainly incorrect. That object (and any fragments of it) are in a 98 degree polar orbit. This is completely incompatible with the reported movement of the fireball. As seen from Bussloo in the Netherlands and Dublin in Ireland, the fireball moved perpendicular, not parallel, to the orbital plane of this Chinese space debris (and that of any related fragments).
IMPORTANT UPDATE 3 (24/9/2012):more and definite arguments that this was not a reentering satellite, can be read here.
posted by SatTrackCam Leiden at 14:25 on 22-Sep-2012
"Fireball over N-Europe on 21 September 2012, 21:45 GMT was likely NOT a reentry"
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ycscro24The 'retrograde' (east to west) actually supports the idea that it was debris from the launch of a Spy satellite (which is, by its nature, unlisted).
The slow, shallow and fragmenting (and by certain accounts multicoloured) object are all hallmarks of a large re-entering piece of manmade orbital debris. So the possibility still remains that it was spacejunk.
I should also add that, personally, i do think it was likely a meteor.
22/9/12 17:18
ileExcellent analysis!
I linked to you from my blog: http://cosmictusk.com/2012-green-fireball-train-in-uk-satellite-or-meteor-break-up/
23/9/12 03:04
I think we all know what this actually was; and yes I am sure and no I don't have nor do I need proof and no I don't care What you think of me...:-)
23/9/12 04:09
@ Blob Rana,
If this was man-made space debris, it *must* be a from a classified object indeed. However, the larger classified pieces are tracked by us amateurs. We have no classified pieces which we track that are likely decay candidates. We can account for the FIA's for example (the rocket bodies of that launch were deliberately de-orbitted right after launch). The Israeli Ofeq/Shavit are no candidates as their orbitral inclinations never take them over the Netherlands and the British Isles. And there are simply no other suitable retrograde objects.
Slow, shallow entry, fragmenting and multicoloured: these descriptions apply as much to a meteorite-dropping fireball.
24/9/12 14:10