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Blogger John W said...

I agree that letting creators just create is really important. I don't think any artist is ever truly satisfied with their end product. If they were, what's the point in moving forward. Seeking perfection in the imperfect world, it's the artists curse and a fans good fortune.

I hope what I'm saying makes some sense, it's pretty late here.

You might like this video (if you haven't seen it already).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NugRZGDbPFU

Keep on creating.

October 11, 2010 at 2:28 AM

Blogger bombasticus said...

The only thing comparable in the "industry" to this that I can remember is Sam Chupp's "The Mill" from back in '97. (http://www.samchupp.com/the_mill.txt) It was more strongly focused on the commercial aspects of the modern "industry," but I think the conclusions are very similar. If this isn't a creative endeavor, what is it?

October 11, 2010 at 7:00 AM

Blogger pookie said...

To draw parallels between Roger Ebert and the RPG critic of your choice is disingenuous. Mr. Ebert has had decades working in the newspaper and television industries, both mass media popular across a wide swath of the American population. He has had the time and the audience to build up a readership that has also developed an appetite for his writings about film. In the RPG industry, there has been neither the time, the audience, or the space to build up such a reputation or a reach. No surprise given how small and insular that industry is.

Further, the fact that in forty years of your publishing you have never seen a critic is no surprise. Name a single body in the RPG industry that gives awards to critics? I have been in hobby for thirty years and been a critic or reviewer for ten of those, and have yet to come across any such award.

I have to wonder if what you are asking for is professionalism from your critics and reviewers?

Well, if so, I wish you the best of luck. Bar a single person in the form of Ken Hite, I doubt that anyone is getting paid to write reviews or critism in this day and age. I count myself fortunate to have been paid in the past -- and for a long while -- but nobody is paying me these days. Nevertheless I keep plugging away with the reviews, now writing semi-professionally in that what I am really doing is reviewing for a hobby. There is not the audience to pay for reviews when so many can be found on-line, and be found for free.

Nevertheless, reviewers and critics want you to continue creating. When you have a new creation, a new book, it is our job to read and analyse it, telling our audience how good and how useful that book is. Or not. If you do not like what we write, then move on. You have your fans and you have your audience, but you know what would be nice? For a publisher to point out a review that he appreciated, that he thought his audience might find useful...

October 11, 2010 at 8:04 AM

Blogger Rob Kuntz said...

@ John, Thanks for the positive comments and the link. I watched the video and ordered the book.
RJK

October 11, 2010 at 8:11 AM

Blogger Rob Kuntz said...

@ Bombaticus: I read the link and tend to agree with his burn out theory. Saw it a lot at TSR. Thanks for that reference, btw, as I had never seen it before.

October 11, 2010 at 8:15 AM

Blogger Rob Kuntz said...

Morning Pookie. I was actually referring to Yellow Journalism and the manipulation of factual matter, one-sided reporting and bias. That's not reviewing when aimed at a person and not his works and borders more on slander, RepeaL wasn't talking about my works, but there are two interwoven threads contained in the article.

As an aside, why would you wish for me leave an industry I helped create? I was around before poor, uninformed critics showed up and shall certainly be in place when they are reviewing the back of milk cartons. Their worth to anyone creatively decisive in absolutely meaningless. And that's why there;s hate, by some, not of my products, but of me. Cheers. :)

October 11, 2010 at 8:23 AM

Blogger pookie said...

By no means do I mean for you to leave the industry. What I meant was move on from the adverse review or comment.

As to hate of you? If they know you personally, or you have done them some slight, then they can hate you. Otherwise, they are idiots.

October 11, 2010 at 8:28 AM

Blogger Rob Kuntz said...

Well, there's a point as you expose it in bright and shiny colors. Why do people want to do that to anyone, as I asked? Because I do not join movements? Because I feel that creativity is better sought on the plain of solitude and not amongst my "peers"? Because I do not adopt group think and am my own individual? Because I was around so long ago and there's instant jealousy? I dunno. Really I don't. I'm just a guy trying to continuing his creative exercises; and I do have opinions, but if you search the topics here you will see that they are aimed at inspiring creativity and reaching for higher goals.

I know you to be a fair reviewer by the way and I know you have commented here in the past. This industry needs unbiased, fair reviewers, for sure. Keep up the good work, as the shoe of this article was not aimed at your "foot."

October 11, 2010 at 8:40 AM

Blogger The Hopeless Gamer said...

Very informative and though-provoking post. I love reading articles about the "art" of reviewing and as a reviewer myself of game products, I always strive to increase my craft. I really appreciate seeing the perspective of a creator when it comes to reviews of their own products.

October 11, 2010 at 8:42 AM

Blogger Rob Kuntz said...

Thanks Paul. I tend to have no commentary on reviewers who review my products. In fact I let go of them and they are on their own after X-# of drafts. However, I have received biased reviews in the past, not many, I think it was one actually. I tend to take a while to publish RPG material because I want to reach higher than the last product I published. Plus I am not a hot dog factory. Because of this, some people want to assail me for this perceived "weakness". What reviewers should really understand, IMO, is that there is no one creative approach for a designer. Each designer, each instance will differ. And when they are not different, you may most assuredly pass me the ketchup, relish and mustard. ;)

October 11, 2010 at 8:54 AM

Blogger bombasticus said...

Thanks for reading it, Rob -- and thanks as always for writing. Looking back, I could've made the link tighter by tracing how I see the hobby evolving since Sam wrote that and I was a "pro." I could linger over the way the blogs and fan press do great things, but at the price of cannibalizing the pro press the industry once supported. The fact is, there's an endless supply of people who love these games and love talking about them, but the old trajectory of fan to critic to "pro" (at what, three cents a word?) no longer applies. If we're not doing this for love, why else do it? God bless Faye Dunaway!

October 11, 2010 at 9:39 AM

Blogger Timeshadows said...

This was a much appreciated read.

Here are two quotes I think may be useful:


Help in disguise-

When people are unsympathetic to you, and the world does not go as you wish, this should be a help to detachment of feelings from the repetitious cycle of becoming and decay, gaining and losing.

- Muso Kokushi (1275-1351)

=and=

Sages since time immemorial have only explained the problems of pollution. If one does not have all that false consciousness, emotional and intellectual opinionatedness, and conceptual habituation, one is clear as autumn water, pure and un-contrived, placid and uninhibited. Such people are called Wayfarers, or free people.

- Kuei-Shan (771-854)


Still, it isn't the peaks or valleys on life's path that wear us down, it is those dips in the road. ;D

Continue to inspire us, Rob. :D

October 11, 2010 at 10:55 AM

Blogger pookie said...

Thanks for the kind comments, Rob. Much appreciated.

October 11, 2010 at 11:08 AM

Blogger scottsz said...

Reviews are important, as they do affect purchasing and perception.

* but *

They are, after all, just reviews... and...

In my earliest years I realised life consisted of two contradictory elements. One was words, which could change the world; the other was the world itself, which had nothing to do with words.
- Yukio Mishima

October 11, 2010 at 12:04 PM

Blogger chrisrobert said...

Faye Dunaway was really good in 'Supergirl.'

October 11, 2010 at 4:00 PM

Blogger Rob Kuntz said...

@Bombasticus:Fate Dunaway is pure class. Though 12 years dated U recommend that anyone interested in the arts, acting, and the inner workings of crisp mind, read her autobiography.

October 12, 2010 at 1:23 PM

Blogger Rob Kuntz said...

@ Pookie: You are welcome. :)

October 12, 2010 at 1:24 PM

Blogger Rob Kuntz said...

@Scottz--great quote, and very true. I have also found that in some cases that those "who cannot do" s try to "undo."

October 12, 2010 at 1:26 PM

Blogger Rob Kuntz said...

@Chris. A role she claims to have had fun doing. Roles which she was really proud of: those in the movies Chinatown, Network, Bonnie & Clyde, and even Mommie Dearest, including those she did with Brando and Depp.

October 12, 2010 at 1:29 PM

Blogger Rob Kuntz said...

@Timeshadows: Thanks for the quotes. Most of the dips in the road are actually bumps, and in afterthought, usually those bumps I leave on "cephalic appendages" just prior to moving along. ;)

The day I stop inspiring myself and others while still alive is the day you read my obituary. After that, who knows?
:)

October 12, 2010 at 1:36 PM

Blogger Matt Finch said...

Testing to see if I can post.

October 12, 2010 at 3:52 PM

Blogger Matt Finch said...

Cool, I can post. Great post, Rob!

Real reviews, even when the reviewer misses or dislikes something important, are a good thing for buyers. We are still (due to the small and collegial nature of our corner of the hobby) in a situation where reviewers either tend to be just short of personal attacks, or are too gentle with the work of people they don't want to insult or offend.

Writing real reviews, good reviews, is not easy. I'm not very good at it.

October 12, 2010 at 4:01 PM

Blogger Adam Thornton said...

I don't buy the distinction between artists and critics. At least: much of the best criticism comes from other artists.

Consider Lovecraft's "Supernatural Horror in Literature", or William S. Burroughs on Hemingway, or Twain on James Fenimore Cooper's "Leatherstocking" tales.

But I also don't buy the "if you can't do it, then STFU" approach. John Clute never wrote great SF, but his reviews (say, for instance, Clute on Gene Wolfe) are magnificent. More generally, great practitioners are not usually great analysts or critics, but concomitantly we should not necessarily expect great analysts/critics to be practitioners of the first water either.

And I wonder where Raggi fits into your scheme of things. I remember everyone here getting all hackly because he dared to suggest that the best old-school products were as good as Good Old TSR. (I did like Tim Kask's response (at least I think it was his) that it damn well should be since we had had northwards of thirty years to practice.)

But...well, Hammers of the God and Death Frost Doom are the best presentation of horror in D&D (or its close cousins) that I've ever seen. Hammers in particular is a terrific creeping slow-realization-of-horrible-truth in the classic Lovecraftian mode, only mostly devoid (yeah, yeah, there's that one encounter) of cheap theatrics like tentacles, spurting ichor, and squamous, rugose, cthonic, indescribable (why, then, I'd better stop) things. I don't think you can look at his RPG product output honestly and conclude it's meritless.

October 12, 2010 at 9:20 PM

Blogger Rob Kuntz said...

Evening Adam.

Thanks for your two cents. I am more inclined to listen carefully to peers who have indeed paid the same exacting price for their ability to be published. Further I would not find relevant those reviewers opinion's who bread over and over again products that are essentially the same. There is no ledge with the latter source for designers who wish to experiment as artists. I have seen it a hundred times, not so much in RPG (which is for the most part devoid of experimentation), but in other entertainment fields. The latter way adheres to looking at preceding design types which informs the amateur reviewer of his or her calculated risk; and more often than not they will ere on the side of familiarity. Reviewers should demand for themselves a wide range of reading exposure, not just in one genre, but especially within the realm of Fantastic Fiction, which is a very wide and inclusive category that RPG represents. As this is a field which is a byproduct of two others--Games & Fantastic Fiction--then I would hope, just as the originators of the game were so informed before they put pencil to paper, that the reviewers would at least take the measures needed to understand the wealth of expression apparent in those fields and not seek relationships just based upon apparent and rigid forms. Unfortunately, there is no standard of review in this industry, so what Matt Finch says in his statements above are actually closer to my own.
As for Mr. Raggi, I have no idea what you are speaking about; must have been another topic somewhere else.

October 12, 2010 at 9:53 PM

Blogger metamorphosissigma said...

You speak of "yellow journalists" who don't cite sources, then fail to reveal the identity of the well-known blogger who has recently criticized your work habits... Mind sharing with the rest of the class?

October 14, 2010 at 7:55 AM

Blogger Rob Kuntz said...

@ Mr. dHowarth333:

"You speak of "yellow journalists" who don't cite sources, then fail to reveal the identity of the well-known blogger who has recently criticized your work habits"

I did not "fail "to list the person or his entire paragraph of quote which went far and beyond, in fact, the two words I did quote. I intentionally left the identity anonymous as that was only ancillary to the main point. Indeed, listing that person's name would have started a perceived flame war which was not my intent, though at times it seems the intent of others.

That answers my last question, of course.

October 14, 2010 at 1:10 PM

Blogger Rob Kuntz said...

Trolling not allowed.

October 14, 2010 at 2:54 PM

Blogger Rob Kuntz said...

@ John: Just to let you know that I received Steve Johnson's book the other day and have skimmed a few pages already. It's in my "To Read" pile of about 20+
titles. Thanks again!

October 18, 2010 at 12:23 AM

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