Comments on kpinion: I am woman, hear me roar

I know I am commenting on an old post. Today is m...

2005-10-11T11:16:00.000-05:00

I know I am commenting on an old post. Today is my first visit here. Forgive me.

Your post made me think about how much people let the unobtrusive go unnoticed. Wives who are married to remarkable men frequently stay in the background. Their influence over things is not only hard to measure but hard to notice. Yet they may be the most important part of who this man is.

I sometimes think we need to stop and honor those women who did not do it alone. Accomplished women deserve praise but so do the wives of accomplished men. Their support and influence has changed the world just as much as the actions of the people who regularly get credit. I’m no saying these men were puppets with their wives pulling the strings. However, I am saying things would not get done but for their support.

Being a wife doesn’t get the esteem it deserves anymore. But God certainly sees it as a noble and admirable office. It is the epitome of Christian service. I learned how to serve both God and Man from my mother. Chances are, so did you.

To me Eve is a super-heroine. To bad we never learn the names of the people who have changed our world for the better from behind the scenes. Thank you for singing of unsung Heroines.

Thanks Lia, I don't want to be arguementative eith...

2005-10-06T10:26:00.000-05:00

Thanks Lia, I don't want to be arguementative either. You make a good point about punctuation - that is a tricky subject there when looking at scripture.

Thank you for a different point of view. I do like to hear those and they make me think (as you have done today).

Haha, we both seem to be talking backwards and sideways on ourselves. But do know that I like the talking.

Katie - I'm not trying to be argumentative, and I'...

2005-10-06T10:13:00.000-05:00

Katie - I'm not trying to be argumentative, and I'm not even arguing with your interpretation, since that's a very tricky verse, and I really presented it just to show another point of view, more than any other reason.
But I would like to take a stand that you can't argue points from punctuation in a translation! The Bible was not written in English - the semicolon was not placed there by God! (Although the semicolon is a "translation" of punctuation that IS present in the original text, so your point still stands ;-)

Lia thanks for your comments.I appreciate you shar...

2005-10-06T09:35:00.000-05:00

Lia thanks for your comments.

I appreciate you sharing your thoughts, but I disagree on the idea that man was created genderless or with both genders. I'm thinking you're referring to Gen 1:27 where is says "God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them." I take that verse as giving creation order of a distinct male then then a distinct female. The semi-colon denotes a new complete thought added on to the end, the idea that God created two. And then Genesis 2 shows a more detailed, personal story of the creation of man and then woman.

And I agree with you that women were not an afterthought. I love that God is all-knowing and time (as well as even creation) do not bind him. I can't even begin to understand how He can know all, all at once, but He can. So women were/are/will be (covering all the tenses there) on His thoughts at all times. What a great God we have.

Sorry I'm getting here late, but since I am, I hav...

2005-10-06T09:21:00.000-05:00

Sorry I'm getting here late, but since I am, I haven't read all the comments first. I just wanted to put in my two cents:

First of all, if you read the story of Genesis VERY carefully, the original Adam was created both male and female. Hermaphrodite, if you like. Both male and female characteristics were incorporated. It was later, when Adam realized that it is not good to be alone that these characteristics were separated into two separate beings. So there's one for the order-of-creation argument. I don't know why the male half kept the name Adam, but truth to tell, the women got the more beautiful name. Adam means "Earth", whereas Eve's name means "Mother of Life". Score Two.

I'm not sure why defending women's rights has become proving feminine superiority, which is why I like the last paragraph of your post the best.

The thing I was trying to get across is that it's not that women were created second, as an afterthought - femininity was an integral part of creation, and we can be very proud of our role in creating and maintaining life, which is, after all, the point of creation.

Ladies, if you question the work of the Father, if...

2005-10-05T22:27:00.000-05:00

Ladies, if you question the work of the Father, if you question His heart for you, just look at the care He took in creating you. Look at the specific need he saw that required your creation. God does not create for nothing. He saw that man needed a companion and He filled that need with us. What an honor, what a challenge, what a loving God that He realized that even with His presence man and woman still need the companionship of each other.
Amen! There's also a good reason why you guys are called the "better half" you know! Great post, thank you.

Brad

What about the "oops" comment on Stephanie's site?...

2005-10-05T15:57:00.001-05:00

What about the "oops" comment on Stephanie's site? I must not have seen it yet...?

Amstaff- I'm with ya sister: I value softness and gentleness in women too. I can be kind of boistrous and goofy (but the boistrous part helps at least in my singing: I've been told God made me with a built-in microphone lol

... and so that's something I work on everyday. Being a bit more soft and submissive - not to be quiet and "shut up"... just... softer.

Ok Stephanie I'll add to your comment:Steve your p...

2005-10-05T15:57:00.000-05:00

Ok Stephanie I'll add to your comment:

Steve your post from yesterday (with the poem) shows a GREAT male point of view on this general topic

my last comment was for steve

2005-10-05T15:54:00.000-05:00

my last comment was for steve

Okay, someone HAS to say it... AWWWW! Steve! Tha...

2005-10-05T15:53:00.000-05:00

Okay, someone HAS to say it... AWWWW! Steve! That was really sweet!

Okay. I'm done. ;)

Well your opinions are always welcomed and appreci...

2005-10-05T15:52:00.001-05:00

Well your opinions are always welcomed and appreciated. And the world doesn't always get to hear the opinions of good Christian men.

But you are always welcome to sit on the outskirts and just take it in.

Oh and ignore the comment on Stephanie's site then. Oops.

Great points K-T, as always. Tommy mentioned the ...

2005-10-05T15:52:00.000-05:00

Great points K-T, as always. Tommy mentioned the other day that it wasn't until the curse that he had to give instruction that the man was head over creation. Prior to that time it was understood. He also mentioned how he asked Teresa once if it really was hard to submit to her husband, and she said, "why do you think the Bible tells me 3 times?"

It can be a challenge sometimes, but it is also such a blessing. I like being the gentle, soft one.

Good thoughts, K-T. Good thoughts.

ok. just kidding. I am not getting envolved in the...

2005-10-05T15:47:00.001-05:00

ok. just kidding. I am not getting envolved in the convo because I just like sitting on the outside and taking it all in. Both you and Steph hit some good topics today that I just enjoy watching you guys talk about.

I do have opinons of course but I think the world hears the man side of this all the dang time...

I love hearing the strong Christian woman side of it from you gals whos opinons I respect greatly

Mr. Sporre, Are you trying to change the subject o...

2005-10-05T15:47:00.000-05:00

Mr. Sporre,

Are you trying to change the subject of my blog topic?

HMPH.

lets talk about fried food

2005-10-05T15:44:00.000-05:00

lets talk about fried food

Ditto :) No no, you didn't rabbit trail at all: ...

2005-10-05T15:20:00.000-05:00

Ditto :)

No no, you didn't rabbit trail at all: I think I just may have missed the mark the first time around on completely explaining the idea.

Oh Stephanie I got it now. Sorry if I rabbit trail...

2005-10-05T15:07:00.000-05:00

Oh Stephanie I got it now. Sorry if I rabbit trailed on you and went off in a different direction.

We are precious to God. Oh so precious. And that is such a comforting thing for a woman's heart when this world beats it up so much.

You are precious my friend.

Oh my gosh! That IS the best pick-up line ever! ...

2005-10-05T15:05:00.001-05:00

Oh my gosh! That IS the best pick-up line ever! lol!!!

Eric you made it over. OMW I'm not sure what i wou...

2005-10-05T15:05:00.000-05:00

Eric you made it over.

OMW I'm not sure what i would do if a guy used that line on me. Laugh for sure.

Good points, I don't think (and there I go thinking) that anyone is supposed to be better than the other. We all need something that someone else has to offer. Gotta love that.

Katie: regarding women being the crown of creatio...

2005-10-05T15:04:00.000-05:00

Katie: regarding women being the crown of creation: I do agree with you that "man and woman together are God's crowning glory". However, viewing women as being the final touch on this amazing creation, I think, is just a good way of comforting women; creating a sense of purpose and meaning for women in a world (even in the church) where we are being pushed, pulled, and dragged from every angle to be powerful... and well...thin...no wait... barefoot and submissive... or maybe just submissive... no wait... get what I'm saying? Then top that off with a good dose of (and many MANY women suffer here) abuse of many different forms, and voila! You have a VERY confused, hurt, desperate woman, seeking answers. Seeking heart. And therein lies the reasoning behind the "crown" theory in "Captivating". This is a means to a clearer understanding of just how much we mean to God. Get what I'm saying? Not that we're better than, or lower, somehow than men: just that we're precious in the sight of God: and that was simply an inspirational means of conveying that idea.

That was a great post, Katie. I avoid using the wo...

2005-10-05T15:01:00.000-05:00

That was a great post, Katie. I avoid using the word 'equal' because of the present gender battle over how 'the same' we are. At the same time, companion and completer and friend give some sense of equality in how they describe a relationship.

For myself, I am not sure what it would mean in specific terms to say that men or women are better. For my comparison, I must look at those I know, and I can't figure out what might lead me to say that I am better than someone else.

I read faster than my wife.
I lift more.
I am more patient.
She does more.
She is way better in finances.
She is better at being with others.

Every time I think I have an edge over someone else, I think of something they have an edge over me with. Of course, that is only when I am THINKING, not always when I am speaking or acting.

The best pick-up line is inspired by Genesis:
"Excuse me, miss, but I think you have one of my ribs."

Thanks Jayleigh, You rock. You're the one in a mar...

2005-10-05T14:56:00.000-05:00

Thanks Jayleigh, You rock. You're the one in a marriage, you're the one submitting everyday. You're my hero in that area. I can talk in "theory" but it's the women who daily submit to their husbands because of their love for them, their respect for them, and more because of their love for God who desreve ALL the praise.

Katie, you are amazing. My coworker and I talked a...

2005-10-05T14:50:00.000-05:00

Katie, you are amazing. My coworker and I talked about this just a few days ago... about how our moms raised us tall girls to walk proud with our shoulders back and to be strong, because our own fathers at times lacked strength. They did it "for our own good" but in so doing, my mom created in me a girl who refused to submit, even to her husband, for many years.

I was raised in a Christian home with Christian values, and I always considered myself a Christian. But it was only 4 or 5 years ago that I really changed... when God changed me. It was near the holiday season and I cried out to Him and he answered BIG TIME!

And after that, submitting as we are called to do has been possible for me, when before it was not in the least. BEFORE, I thought that I could not only do everything on my own without God, but also, without the help of my darling husband. I thought I had everything in control.

And somehow in the midst of my pigheadedness, God spoke to me and calmed the turmoil. Rob became the man he never was before, because I refused to let him, and I saw all that a loving relationship CAN be, with God as the head of our marriage.

And you are RIGHT ON TARGET with what you said about "It is much easier to submit to male authority when you look toward the God you are submitting to at the same time."

Amen, Sister! You rock!

Steve - that made me laugh OUT LOUD and my door wa...

2005-10-05T14:27:00.000-05:00

Steve - that made me laugh OUT LOUD and my door was wide open with classes going on right across the hall.

OH MY WORD.

is this why my side hurts?

2005-10-05T14:18:00.000-05:00

is this why my side hurts?