<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450654</id><updated>2009-12-24T12:44:28.175-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Discriminating morals</title><subtitle type='html'>Blog that mainly discusses morality and various underappreciated biological phenomenon that I believe relevant.</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><link rel='next' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default?start-index=26&amp;max-results=25'/><author><name>Stephen A. Meigs</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03864308185296073661</uri><email>step314@earthlink.net</email></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>78</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450654.post-3788552404759828328</id><published>2009-08-27T07:10:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-10-09T09:36:41.903-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='finance Iceland commercial Kaupthing'/><title type='text'>Kaupthinking, music and girls</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;I essentially wrote this post a couple months ago or so, thinking I would add a few more paragraphs about why not infrequently girls like the particular often twisted sounding music they do, but bother, I don't seem to be coming back to it, so I'll post it now as it is.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/31U54cgf_OQ&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1&amp;amp;"&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/31U54cgf_OQ&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1&amp;amp;" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This commercial, which was linked to from the finance blog I read,&lt;a href="http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/Naked%20Capitalism"&gt; nakedcapitalism &lt;/a&gt; (whch got it from &lt;a href="http://brontecapital.blogspot.com/2009/08/if-we-want-to-change-world-we-can-we.html"&gt;brontecapital&lt;/a&gt;),  is one of the funniest things I have ever encountered. For those who don't know, Icelandic banks were arguably the &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%932009_Icelandic_financial_crisis"&gt;most reckless banks in the world.&lt;/a&gt; The UK, for instance, last fall became so concerned about British depositors getting their money back after the financial crisis hit that they used anti-terrorism laws to seize the assets of the British subsidiary of Kaupthing, likening Iceland (or at least their banking operations) to a terrorist state just to protect their citizens from the consequences of the Icelandic banks' shenanigans.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our world could use a good deal more normal thinking. Moral philosophy, in particular, is mostly just taking the time and bother to patiently consider the consequences of various behaviors via "normal" thinking.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The poohbahs in business and (more particularly, it seems) the financial world are forever praising enthusiasm. One should see why they do this. Enthusiasm is a short-term emotion. After someone has worn herself out with it, the company who employs her can just say, "we're sorry, we no longer believe you are a good fit with us, goodbye". They've got her to work years for them at the mad dog pace depicted of Kaupthing employees, and now she's a worn out shell or about to go into the looney bin, bother, time for a new employee.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am, I'd say, mostly a patient person who doesn't like to get too worked up about things. And yet, I am still not patient enough, mostly, probably, in a lot of ways. I'm attracted to youth, though, which some might wonder whether it yields a conflict. I don't think it is quite as much my problem as it is the girls' problem, though. Enthusiasm, determination, resolve, are those the right emotions that encourage relationships to take place when females are still young in the right way? I'm skeptical. Take music. I think the main reason girls like music is that it enables them to play with adult feelings about sex and romance. It is not like females magically become enlightened about such matters. If girls don't explore feelings about sex until they become adults, sure, they will be older when they have sex, but age won't have brought increased wisdom when it comes making right choices in their sexual relationships because they won't have felt or played about the emotions surrounding it. But if one takes a long-term approach, music and similar more-or-less purely emotional influences should just be a part of what has developed one's sense of self. A more long-term approach demands more rational thought. Music is OK, I guess, but ideally it shouldn't be taken too seriously.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One might think that music could encourage females to have sex early in the right way, but mostly, as regards music as it is, this would be a mistaken belief--certainly it would appear at best half-right. Music, and more particularly music with rhythm and dance-inducing aspects that encourages movement is by its very nature rather contrary to the quite peaceful stillness associated with the more tantric sexual attitudes that are appropriate for young-female sex if the sex is worth much. As I have mentioned before, imo the significance of females being young during sex is that intraejaculate sperm selection selects for a different sort of sperm if the female is young. Movement is like shaking up a die before tossing it--it makes things more (undesirably) random.  Of course, there is the legitimate objection that total stillness makes expression more difficult, and maybe there could be a more, idk, still sort of music based more on melody or poetry that could in fact be something suited to girls believing in having sex early like girls need to have sex when they have sex early for the right reasons, but I doubt whether such music exists. Most music girls listen to is more about playing with the sort of sexual and romantic emotions that they might have as adults than with the sort of emotions they might feel when young if they really wanted sex presently.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What is the deal, then, with music that (some) girls seem to take very seriously? One reason, of course, a girl might take music very seriously is that music is what she is interested in because her talents more lie in the musical sphere. She might be considering going into music as a profession. But mostly to lopsidedly explore art and more particularly the musical arts at the expense of more logic-oriented endeavors doesn't really make sense except in the short term. One's innate feelings and tendencies only go so far. They are not sufficient to guide one very well in life because life is too complicated to have innate feelings about everything. One must abstract (using logic) from these feelings and an understanding of reality an understanding of these feelings. Doing this, one develops new, abstracted feelings, and grows as a person. Moreover, when one has a better understanding of oneself, one knows better what to observe and remember in order most easily to improve one's understanding. And because understanding yourself well encourages the sort of behavior that is natural for you, and since behavior that is natural for you is more likely to be something you are likely to have interesting unexplored feelings about, understanding can lead to more profound experiences. Having lots of feelings about what you are interested in, observing them well and going by what they more-or-less immediately make you feel like doing might be a reasonable approach in the short run, because it is quick, but more long term it is more reasonable to balance feeling and observation with rational thought. I really am inclined to think that mostly the girls who seem obsessed with music are that way because they want to have sex soon rather than later and so feel they need to mature fassssst; this would appear to be the simplest explanation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But what is the point really? Why should a girl rush to have a sort of sex at 18 that she could have just as well at 35? Why don't they listen to music that is about the more immature feelings more appropriate to immature females having sex? I think it is frustration more than anything. Mostly girls would like males to dance, play, etc., with them more often so them they can explore their adult feelings more, which can make them better prepared when they become adult. Getting angry about it, they can sometimes fall into a fanaticism that leads them to view the music they listen to as more than just something to play with. They sometimes instead make the mistake that their obsession with music is on account of art being higher than thought, and that the feelings in the music apply to them now in a not-just-for-exploration way, at least if for some male they have some natural (or unnatural) feelings for wanting sex sooner than latter&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8450654-3788552404759828328?l=discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/feeds/3788552404759828328/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8450654&amp;postID=3788552404759828328' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/3788552404759828328'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/3788552404759828328'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/2009/08/kaupthinking-music-and-girls.html' title='Kaupthinking, music and girls'/><author><name>Stephen A. Meigs</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03864308185296073661</uri><email>step314@earthlink.net</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14212224205965888516'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450654.post-1173380871104748400</id><published>2009-08-20T22:08:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-08-20T22:39:53.409-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='logic dreams life'/><title type='text'>Life</title><content type='html'>It occurs to me, I haven't talked much about my progress with the logic paper I have mostly written. Today I had an interesting dream that I think was about it, so I'll say something about it. I finished a first draft of it last year. But there are errors. The few very significant errors I have corrected very easily. (Since I am not much of an example-oriented person, I have a tendency not to notice much when I prove something ridiculous if error causes me to do that.) That's not the problem, though—these were easily corrected. What I most hope to do in the current draft (which I hope to make public) is give the paper polish. In particular, the part of logic that most bothers me is model theory. Mostly, I think the subject should be done away with. But there are necessary bits and pieces there that I need. How to present these bits and pieces in the right way has proved more difficult than I had anticipated.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Everything came to an impasse in early May, I think it was. I was sputtering along steadily typesetting the paper and polishing it up, but then a little less than half way through, I realized that there must be some general result that allows one in certain circumstances to replace entailment with implication (in the context of the silly logic). One of my professors at North Carolina had taught me that entailment ought to be distinct from implication, and indeed I believe it. The formula A implies B should be thought of as the most general formula whose conjunction with A entails B, and the entailment relation should be thought of as the same thing as the "less general than" relation (where "less" is not interpreted strictly,  in fact any formula should be considered less general than itself). Annnywayyy, though it may be true that entailments and implications tend to hold in similar circumstances, they really are different. For instance, in my silly logic, A entails B precisely if not B entails not A; but it turns out that if A implies B is silly, then not B implies not A is just plain false. Still, though, it was intuitively clear to me that there must be a metatheorem allowing one in a certain natural subset of inference rules to replace entailment with implication (replacing metalogical connectives with ordinary logical connectives) to yield theorems. In other words, I could sense the existence of a (for me) &lt;b&gt;advanced applied logic theorem&lt;/b&gt; that would enable me in one giant swoop to prove about, idk, maybe 20% of the basic logic theorems that I otherwise would have to prove separately. In the course of about a week or two in March or April I guess it was, I really went at it, (metaphorically) engaging in much banging my forehead against the wall, and came up with two cute similar little results that gave what I was looking for. The problem is that the whole structure of the results was very demanding of the little bits and pieces of what is called model theory. And when thinking about it, I couldn't at all easily separate all the nonsense I had learned about model theory from the essence of the matter. Somehow where my brain had previously been fairly clear-headed, I now became confused; even though I felt the problem was just making a few very simple definitions, my mind became so much like a tornado full of irrelevant flying debris, logic became hard. I guess I felt I had to just get away from logic for a while to let things settle or I would be unable to sense what these definitions were. And clearly it was very important for elegance (and even usefulness) that the right definitions be made. At any rate, the clarity was just not there. I haven't thought about logic since May.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mostly, I have been blaming myself for having been too applied. But the dream I had this morning makes me think I'm taking the wrong outlook about it. I dreamed I had just showed up at Michigan (the  University in Ann Arbor) again, and I was just about to move into a dorm room or efficiency or something when there outside on a sidewalk someone was selling a sturdy utilitarian and attractive antique dresser. Wow! I thought. I bought it right away, good deal. Then it occurred to me: &lt;i&gt;I will need to put this in my room. It might be a tight fit and I have no truck (or even car) to get it there.&lt;/i&gt; Somehow this dresser represented my &lt;b&gt;advanced applied logic theorem&lt;/b&gt;.  It first appeared very useful to me, but then on second thought, it wasn't as useful as it seemed, making life difficult for me. The wood was interesting. It seemed some kind of very high quality wood, but wasn't quite as dark I think as black walnut, which made me afeared 'twas the dreaded white walnut, but mostly I didn't think it was that either. It looked kind of like Oak but without the open grain. And then a kindly-looking black (he wouldn't have been black if it was made of white walnut) man saw me in my quandary standing in front of the dresser I had bought, and offered to help me put it beneath an awning while I had to go away to prepare to put it in its proper place. And as he was doing that it turned out (it became revealed) that there were two little diorama cabinets that you had to get (free) with the dresser. The sorts of things which if presentable you might expect to find ensconcing a very small nativity scene or surrounding a show-and-tell presentation if kids could afford that sort of thing and the teacher wanted to keep it on display. But the thing is, they were covered in peeley green paint. Perhaps some would have claimed the effect antiquesy looking, but it &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; hideous. These hideous things, I figure, do represent the necessary parts akin to model theory that I need to find or keep. But first I have to remove the awful paint, which represents all the rubbish in that subject. The best I can figure, the moral of the dream is that I should appreciate the theorem for what it is made of, which is a fine wood easy to underappreciate from its ad hoc quality. The insights the theorem may cast on what is called model theory may be more important than the applications. In fact, probably, I have been thinking, I should prove its applications separately anyway, only introducing the theorem after I have proven the results in the normal way. It is too big and particular and advanced a result to present early. But instead of looking at it as something that introduces ugliness I should more see it as something that, if enough light is cast upon it, can be stripped of its ugliness, revealing fine wood perfect for displaying beauty and truth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I dream quite a bit about going back to university, and mostly it is always wrong. When I have dreams about going back to Michigan, I typically end up having to study a bunch of stuff too fast I am not interested in, which I probably can't or won't do anymore, and I always do things in more insane ways not good for efficiency, ruining everything (like buying the dresser).  And I'm similar when I dream of going to UNC, except it's worse inasmuch as also I frequently am just wandering about hiding from my math professors because I don't want to have to tell them I didn't get my Ph.D. from Michigan like I had hoped. So, typically (in my dreams), I end up going there with enthusiasm but never go to a class, and each day I'll think to myself, I should really show up to class, but I don't, and then the tuition bill comes and of course I've missed the drop deadline because I was obsessed with understanding why I'm not going to class, and everything (my scholastic record and savings) gets ruined. And with my roommates, in my dreams I never fit in with them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I used to dream a lot about going back to high school. Similarly, that would always turn out wrong. I'd dream that I'd catch the bus and show up, but then think, now wait a second, I forgot, I'm 30 or 40 or whatever, and people that old are not allowed to go to school--I wouldn't be on the homeroom roster. And then I'd realize I have to go, and so I'd sneak out (without trying to be too obvious that I am an older person a sneaking out), and then after leaving the building I'd have to walk home because I'd remember I was too old to take the bus, but Needwood Road somehow in my dream becomes like some sort of transcontinental highway full of drawbridges, fords, lakes that have to be rowed across (after finding the hidden rowboat), etc., with distracting museums along it. But now I more often instead dream of college, and that goes wrong too, but not so much because of my age (except when it comes to relating to roommates).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I need to be intellectual and practical, but not probably in a university setting. That's what I mostly feel, and my dreams seem to support that. I guess the internet offfers opportunities, and if I can become wise enough, I figure I won't have to make much enlightened effort at selling myself. I can't really imagine how it will work, but eventually, if I keep becoming wiser (what I'm most convinced I am skilled at doing), I'll become so preposterously wise eventually it will become obvious to people (if I maintain openness and don't get considered an enemy by the search engines) that I am extraordinarilly wise, whereupon, something good might happen. That's about the extent of my plan as to how to be practical in life.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8450654-1173380871104748400?l=discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/feeds/1173380871104748400/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8450654&amp;postID=1173380871104748400' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/1173380871104748400'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/1173380871104748400'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/2009/08/life.html' title='Life'/><author><name>Stephen A. Meigs</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03864308185296073661</uri><email>step314@earthlink.net</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14212224205965888516'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450654.post-2091448134397440744</id><published>2009-07-27T16:33:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-07-28T11:12:30.281-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Monty Python'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='tattoos'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='girls'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='protection racket'/><title type='text'>Tattoos and my not silly protection racket</title><content type='html'>&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/DRm5WcjOikQ&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1&amp;"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/DRm5WcjOikQ&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1&amp;" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(I don't want to say (it is a secret) one way or the other whether I feel I have the power over my young-female admirers to bring this off, or whether I feel I likely will have such power in the future, but in any case, this on some level rings true to me, and so here it is.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I hate tattoos. It is very admirable for people to be true to themselves--to their own innate natural tendencies and what they abstract from them by means of their understandings. Especially is this so as regards romantic and sexual feelings. But my innate natural tendencies regarding sex involve naked female form. I do not have natural feelings so much about skin that looks more like a painting than skin. In short, tattoos on a female exacerbate the determination of one's natural sexual feelings about her. Tattoos are like clothes one can't take off.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some people say that tattoos are about expressing oneself. However, I do not believe it. Much better at expressing oneself visually would be drawings, fashions, jewelries, etc., that one can change. True, tattoos don't wear out, but it's not really like tattoos are much cheaper than other ornamentation. There really isn't much saving of money there. If you can't afford fashion or jewelry, hey, it would still be cheaper than getting a tattoo on your arm and just as expressive to (say) buy a piece of PVC pipe and some paint and make a bracelet. But I am straying from the main argument. Tattoos are contrary to being true to oneself, they are tools of conformists.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Probably tattoos are worse on females than males, because males (it strikes me) more tend to judge matters visually. But it seems to me that the girls who like getting tattoos are so different from the girls that I would want or who would want me (or other decent clean males), that, basically, it is not so much of problem girls getting tattoos. I have noticed many more girls seem to threaten to get tattoos than to actually have the bad sense to obtain one. The problem is that girls who have encountered me or males like me realize that good males (quite appropriately) have a way of trying to force girls to be true to themselves (i.e., the important parts of themselves, which of course does not include the tendency to be afraid of being true to themselves). When girls get scared of males roaring and beating their chests to get them to be true to themselves, it is perhaps understandable that they might find a certain misplaced solace in males who make it so they can't (without much difficulty) force girls to be true to themselves. How can a female be very true to her own natural tendencies as regards sex with a tattooed male when her own natural tendencies about sex regard having sex with males who look like (naked) males as opposed to etchings of whatever? It's just not possible. Tattoos can't just be erased like an etch-a-sketch; apparently, it is a big deal getting rid of them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With a girl who has sex with a male for pleasure, if she enjoys it enough, it is not hard to &lt;a href="http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/2007/08/forces-encouraging-people-to-think-ill.html"&gt;force her to be true to herself&lt;/a&gt; and to preclude her from finding tattoos attractive or acceptable. Just don't love her well to the extent she likes tattoos and the other conformist claptrap. This will train her to be more virtuously herself. But with a female who has sex mainly from love, it might prove more difficult. It's hard to force a girl like that to be more true to herself, but still, one looks for opportunities, and maybe the girl isn't sure that she won't have pleasures great enough that the male won't have certain (clean) &lt;i&gt;powers&lt;/i&gt; over her, yeah. True, a female might be true to herself because that makes her love more dazzling and more attracting of other females to the male she loves (people like to please those they love), but maybe if the male has attracted other females she will instead sort of cede her position in the light, so her having contempt for her lover trying to force her to be true to herself won't appreciably affect what the male gets, and thus so her lover won't be much hurt. But this is not really acceptable. Is there anything the male can do about it?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Suppose you are some girl I love and you go into the background because you start admiring tattoos and commit other violations against the concept of being true to yourself. Because of your withdrawal and because you won't look as much like you are really being yourself (being so disrespectful of the concept) you will lose influence in the scene. The girls who allow themselves to be forced to be true to themselves will gain it. Suppose by somebody rumors were made to start--oh I'm just saying--I say, rumors might be made to come from these girls to the effect that maybe males with tattoos are not very desirable people really. Ooohhh! What a shame! These might be some of the very males who most listen to you. Mostly these might be nice males, just trying to do what you want. Ohhhh, how terrible... We wouldn't want them to, say, start losing all their girl admirers, now would we? What if no one shows up anymore at their concerts or their fashion shows? They'd lose their jobs and livelihood and girls might stop being nice to them. What a pity [i'm shaking my head back and forth]. Oh no--I'm not mean, I'm like yoo--...: I don't want them to get hurt. I have a proposition for you, girl, yeah,..., mayyyyybe I can help them. Because we really want to help them, don't we? We're nice people. Me, you, my girls, we're all nice people. I'm a nice person, and nice people don't like to see basically good people get hurt. There's nothing wrong with these males maybe except that they trust you and girls like you too much. Tell you what, Just stop making out like you like males to have tattoos and pro'ly I can keep my girls from doing over all the poor tattooed males.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8450654-2091448134397440744?l=discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRm5WcjOikQ' title='Tattoos and my not silly protection racket'/><link rel='enclosure' type='flv' href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRm5WcjOikQ' length='0'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/feeds/2091448134397440744/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8450654&amp;postID=2091448134397440744' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/2091448134397440744'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/2091448134397440744'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/2009/07/tattoos-and-my-not-silly-protection.html' title='Tattoos and my not silly protection racket'/><author><name>Stephen A. Meigs</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03864308185296073661</uri><email>step314@earthlink.net</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14212224205965888516'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450654.post-3876881252903468972</id><published>2009-06-14T13:45:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-06-14T13:57:46.968-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sex'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='mothers'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='danger'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='parenting'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='safety'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='daughters'/><title type='text'>The feelings mothers employ when considering whether their daughters should have sex presently with some particular male</title><content type='html'>It's an interesting question the extent to which mothers ideally should influence daughters' mating activity. In some cultures, e.g., those with arranged marriages being the norm, the daughter has very little control over whom she will mate, while in others, the mother has very little control. But of course, no matter what the laws, the person with legal control can for all practical purposes cede it to the other merely by deferring the decision to the other. Who should have control, though an interesting question, is not quite the question that mosts interests me or what I shall discuss here. The most interesting question, it seems to me, and what I wish to elaborate upon, is that of the extent  to which a young female's sexual decisions &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; be influenced by her mother. Moral daughters tend to be in moral families that usually behave morally, and the most important thing is that moral daughters mate reasonably (in such a way as to encourage evolution of their useful and moral traits), which in these families who defer reasonably won't much depend on whether the laws that dictate control are reasonable. As discussed in a previous post, I believe that the main  influence a mother should and does have over her daughter's sexual activity is to inform the daughter of the chances that such activity would be a &lt;i&gt;large&lt;/i&gt; mistake. In reasonable families, the main control a mother can and does have over her daughter relationship-wise is that she can make the daughter afraid of a male or more comfortable with him, depending upon whether the mother is herself afraid or comfortable with him being intimate with her daughter. When a mother protects a daughter from what she sees as a big mistake, the chances that the daughter actually by nature (as opposed to from deception or nefarious controlling influence) really wants to do what she is contemplating are fairly slim, more especially because the daughter is half from the mother after all. Thus, there is not the least reason why a mother should think that protecting her daughter from a big sexual mistake with a male or encouraging her to feel more sexually comfortable with a male is otherwise than encouraging her daughter to be true to herself (and it is important that people are true to their innate natures when they mate, lest ideal virtuous mating tendencies not be selected for by evolution) and no reason why a daughter would view respecting her mother there as disrespecting herself or being untrue to herself. Accordingly, mothers have a tendency to specialize in evaluating &lt;i&gt;danger&lt;/i&gt;,  i.e., possibilities of daughters' large mistakes—it's what is and should be most influential. More especially do they specialize thus because such specialization and influence has caused mothers to evolve to be unusually effective (compared with daughters) at such activity. What I have new to say is that there are a couple mistakes mothers tend to make. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When a mother vicariously considers whether a particular man is the right sort to be intimate with her daughter, the part of herself that she puts into the consideration is largely that part of her that deals with safety and danger. When she fantasizes about her daughter having sex with a male, the pleasure tends to go up and down depending upon her present particular intimations and impressions of how safe her daughter would be with him. Insofar as her imagination is concerned, the mother's impression of the pleasure  that a male would give her daughter should the male be not very much worse than he seems is something that she should and largely will judge mostly from what she feels her daughter thinks. My impression is that mothers  on occasion make the mistake of believing that their own particular mental and emotional inputs that they use when judging a male are better and more important than those that their daughters would more tend to use. Just because a mother is more mature is no reason for her to think that the thoughts and internal feelings that are in her when she judges a mate for her daughter are better than the thoughts and feelings that are in her daughter when the daughter fantasizes more directly about a male. Mature approaches are not always better; it is often highly appropriate, in fact, that immature people behave immaturely. I'm not saying it is wrong for parents to be concerned for their daughters' sexual safety to  a large degree (compared with their daughters' concern), I am saying it is wrong to slight the young daughters' tendencies to possess feelings of love and pleasure that just sort of assume that the male is safe (largely to the degree her mother thinks). The mature need to be mature, and the immature need to be immature. Girls need more than to avoid big mistakes—they also need to avoid little mistakes and to obtain rewards small or great, and the possibilities of the latter is what their immature selves are good at evaluating themselves, and what they should straightforwardly be themselves in fantasizing about and evaluating. Also, love needs not only that it not be thrown away on an utter villain, but also that it be given to him who is worthy or, better yet, very worthy.  Because their childrens' safety is what mothers should tend to be most concerned about, and because mothers mistakenly think the children too should share the same concern, mothers tend to overestimate the importance of safety.  A mother can play an important role in making her daughter feel safe when she is sufficiently safe and scared when she is in danger, but these matters are not particularly what daughters should be much concerned about, at least if the daughters can trust their parents.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The other mistake mothers tend to make is that they misinterpret their feelings of safety. When a mother vicariously fantasizes about a male having sex with her daughter, it is hard to say exactly, but my impression is that the physical pleasure which varies depending on how comfortable she feels about the male being safe is a sort of all-over-the-skin tingly comfy feeling. That it is an all-over feeling presumably protects the mother (and it's usually mothers who think so much of safety) from thinking the fantasy is probably about wanting sex herself. I think a mother might confuse this feeling with the comfortable feelings she might have about the male's ability or desire to provide materially for his daughter, which would after all tend to make the daughter more safe (from other things, like starvation). I leave it to females to determine what exactly this latter feeling is like, but presumably it is different from a feeling that a male is safe in the sense it's not at all likely he's much worse than he appears.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This confusion, when together with the confusion of the preceding paragraph, only tends to aggravate in mothers the tendency to overestimate the importance of money, a conceit, of course, mostly held by older people. (Older people hanging around mainly older people, and older people tending to have the most money and thus the most to gain selfishly by making money seem extra-important, the tendency for old people to overestimate the importance of money would exist even without the confusions mentioned.) Also, it might make mothers overestimate the ability of a virtuous (and thus totally safe) male to be a provider, creating unrealistic expectations.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another consideration, it occurs to me, is that a female lusting is a dangerous (though potentially quite rewarding) phenomenon to her.  As females age, they have less-and-less capacity to lust, mostly because lust is not rewarding to older females as it can be to younger females (not that lust is not more dangerous for younger females, but that is besides the point) (my theory is that female lust is significant mainly because it encourages intraejaculate sperm selection after being absorbed by a male). Anyway, too often as women age they mistake their decreased desire to lust as an effect of wisdom; it has nothing to do with wisdom, just maturity. Women's bodies are such they can't select for sperm especially suited to fertilizing young females, and so largely they have no use for lusting (an important exception being if other females, and more especially other young females are also involved). There is  a tendency for women to believe the widespread lies of vile males, who mostly tend like the Taliban to view female lust as evil or stupid, and to consider their decreased lust as proof that females lusting is not only immature but stupid, to be quickly dismissed away as just a kind of immature “raging hormones” or whatever. This sort of tendency goes hand in hand with their tendency to think danger too important. I strongly do not think, however, that in practice this general disrespect for lust that women have discourages mothers from wanting their daughters to lust. A woman may and often does think female lust foolish, but once she encounters a male she thinks sufficiently safe whom she knows her daughter from her own (the daughter's) nature is very much sexually in love with, all those abstract considerations get thrown out the window. A mother in a situation like that very quickly realizes her not wanting to feel lust for sex is not an effect of mature wisdom, because though she isn't much keen on lusting for own sexual activity, she definitely will emotionally appreciate the pleasure of her daughter having lust, which will  make mockery of her theories about how female lust is foolish on account of it being something only immature females with their immature brains could want. Why would she want to hurt her daughter? Indeed, the extent to which a girl should lust when having sex depends heavily on how safe the sex is; if a male is virtuous, a girl should be lustful, else there is no benefit to having sex young; but if the male is a deceptive villain, her feeling lust is a disaster, and will select for the most pathetic sperm imaginable—it's way worse than randomness. What really makes a (young) girl want to feel lust for a male during sex is her impression of her sexual evaluations being safe. A mother who wants her daughter to have sex wants her daughter to feel safe and comfy (in the sense of the sex not being dangerous as opposed to the sense of feeling the male will likely be a good provider for her), because she wouldn't want her daughter to have sex if she didn't think the sex is safe. Since mothers tend to specialize in evaluating danger and this comfyness effectively, a mother soothing her daughter when the mother actually wants to the daughter to have sex goes a very major way to making the daughter feel more safe. And a particular reason a mother wants her daughter to feel sexually safe, beyond that it can make the daughter want sex, is that it can make the daughter feel the sex is safe for lust. So it's only among mothers who haven't much experienced situations in which they wonder whether their young daughters should have sex who view their incapacity to lust as just another proof that girls need safety especially much. When mothers actually encounter males they want their daughters to have sex with, the reality of their desire for their daughters to feel lust is so strong (even compared with what the daughter herself is feeling), that disillusion is likely to be more-or-less immediate and in all likelihood more than sufficient. But it is pretty unusual for a girl to meet someone she should feel so sure about that she should have sex with him presently rather than later or not-at-all, and thus for a mother to want her young daughter to have lustful sex; so unfortunately, though women's underestimation of the specialness of female lust doesn't in practice much discourage women from encouraging their daughters to take risks for the sake of lustful pleasure, yet it makes the general social climate toward girls taking risks for their sexual pleasure and more particularly the risk of girls lusting for their own sexual pleasure a much more inimical one than it should be.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One might have noticed one could argue in reverse that girls, denying their parents' modes of thinking, tend to underestimate the importance of safety. It may be true that girls tend to underestimate the importance of safety and the danger of danger, but I don't think the reasons are entirely analogous. Parents can't always be there to protect girls;  girls have no choice but often to put themselves into judging whether a male is safe, which to a certain extent they should do regardless (but probably not quite to the extent they should respect their parents' views there if they respect their parents and their parents' abilities as much as they do themselves and their own abilities). Accordingly, all the aforementioned arguments apply significantly more weakly in the reverse direction. But there is another consideration. Namely, the part of a girl that she does not share with her mother wants just like the rest of the girl to be safe, but it isn't attracted to her mother's considerations on account of her mother being like her (though it might to a certain extent especially value her mother's considerations on account of her mother having less reason to want to behave selfishly toward her). On the other hand, the part of a mother distinct from a daughter shares no pleasure or pain in the daughter making a particular choice, it being unrelated to the daughter; it is at worst indifferent. And so, as I mentioned in a &lt;a href="http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/2005/12/conformity-in-parents-carefully.html"&gt;   previous post&lt;/a&gt; (with perhaps too much allusion toward statistics in it, it seems to me now), girls will undesirably tend to rely on general impressions of how safe a possible relationship would be and whether such safety be important, whereas they would do better (on average) to more respect their parents' opinions and to less encourage their parents to be more normal and less weird.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8450654-3876881252903468972?l=discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/feeds/3876881252903468972/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8450654&amp;postID=3876881252903468972' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/3876881252903468972'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/3876881252903468972'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/2009/06/feelings-mothers-employ-when.html' title='The feelings mothers employ when considering whether their daughters should have sex presently with some particular male'/><author><name>Stephen A. Meigs</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03864308185296073661</uri><email>step314@earthlink.net</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14212224205965888516'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450654.post-6459867384820672618</id><published>2009-03-27T05:39:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-04-18T22:40:34.169-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='poem silly'/><title type='text'>Caricature of myself</title><content type='html'>The other day I was re-reading the poems I have written in the past few years, and noticed an interesting one I had completely forgotten about. According to the word processor, I wrote it July 11, 2006. I don't believe I have heard of anybody named Leilna and have no particular interest in hang gliders. And I am far from being able to identify all plants. Still, the main character sort of reminds me of me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;He swam across the sea&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He swam across the sea&lt;br /&gt;to meet her&lt;br /&gt;on the field&lt;br /&gt;in Nimjabaroombom&lt;br /&gt;for it was written,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"At half-past-six and ten-till-two&lt;br /&gt;she’ll come flying by,&lt;br /&gt;riding upon a giant shrew."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He opened his arms&lt;br /&gt;at six-twenty-five,&lt;br /&gt;AM,&lt;br /&gt;hoping to meet her.&lt;br /&gt;Into the wind he turned&lt;br /&gt;for that’s how birds like to fly&lt;br /&gt;when landing.&lt;br /&gt;“Right”,&lt;br /&gt;he thought,&lt;br /&gt;and turned around.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There she was,&lt;br /&gt;above the horizon,&lt;br /&gt;her shrew was flying,&lt;br /&gt;using the latest in bird-suit technology,&lt;br /&gt;replicating free fall in computer-assisted ways&lt;br /&gt;deemed safe.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Her mind was obvious&lt;br /&gt;full of sparkling imaginings,&lt;br /&gt;of things deemed too safe&lt;br /&gt;for those who can’t take boredom,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He lowered his head upon the&lt;br /&gt;dirt&lt;br /&gt;and made obeisance&lt;br /&gt;with his heart&lt;br /&gt;“Oh, great Leilna, I have come to give&lt;br /&gt;homage&lt;br /&gt;to thy glorious presence&lt;br /&gt;and don’t know if you would have the time&lt;br /&gt;to consider me properly,&lt;br /&gt;but I here right now&lt;br /&gt;do give thee the chance&lt;br /&gt;especially considering&lt;br /&gt;that tomorrow&lt;br /&gt;is the fourth of July,&lt;br /&gt;and I wasn’t sure you would&lt;br /&gt;fly that day.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He quite hidden was&lt;br /&gt;in the tall grass&lt;br /&gt;his arms outstretched&lt;br /&gt;she never really noticed him&lt;br /&gt;and as he bowed down before her&lt;br /&gt;she wandered off&lt;br /&gt;with her bird suit&lt;br /&gt;and unusual pet&lt;br /&gt;and walked back to the pickup point.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Right then&lt;br /&gt;he noticed a movement in the grass&lt;br /&gt;Temporarily forgetting his purpose&lt;br /&gt;for the greater good&lt;br /&gt;he observed a grasshopper&lt;br /&gt;It jumped.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then, from the other side,&lt;br /&gt;his left,&lt;br /&gt;(when facing Leilna putting the hang glider in the pickup truck)&lt;br /&gt;he spotted it.&lt;br /&gt;What seemed like one thing&lt;br /&gt;actually was another!&lt;br /&gt;No fern that,&lt;br /&gt;here in the dry place,&lt;br /&gt;but a new kind of plant,&lt;br /&gt;one he had not seen before!&lt;br /&gt;Quick,&lt;br /&gt;“zavazravroom”,&lt;br /&gt;“click”,&lt;br /&gt;the for-all-eternity-fixing machine&lt;br /&gt;fixed it&lt;br /&gt;for his later study.&lt;br /&gt;Perhaps this plant is what I need to understand,&lt;br /&gt;he thought,&lt;br /&gt;to understand Leilna.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He wandered to his home,&lt;br /&gt;his mother asked him what he was doing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Oh, looking at the hang-gliders and&lt;br /&gt;taking pictures of plants.&lt;br /&gt;I found one plant I hadn’t seen before.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;OK. But stay away from the cliffs.&lt;br /&gt;And watch out you don’t get landed on!&lt;br /&gt;And could you fix lunch,&lt;br /&gt;your dad is getting hungry.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A right good lunch he fixed,&lt;br /&gt;pea soup&lt;br /&gt;and broccoli,&lt;br /&gt;just what nutritionally&lt;br /&gt;everyone needed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Off again, he thought,&lt;br /&gt;to the meadow where the pretty girl&lt;br /&gt;will land&lt;br /&gt;today&lt;br /&gt;at 1:50 pm.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Over the creek&lt;br /&gt;he jumped&lt;br /&gt;up the hillside&lt;br /&gt;to the landing zone&lt;br /&gt;he stood tall&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8450654-6459867384820672618?l=discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/feeds/6459867384820672618/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8450654&amp;postID=6459867384820672618' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/6459867384820672618'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/6459867384820672618'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/2009/03/carcicature-of-myself.html' title='Caricature of myself'/><author><name>Stephen A. Meigs</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03864308185296073661</uri><email>step314@earthlink.net</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14212224205965888516'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450654.post-4659516371841108686</id><published>2009-02-13T14:02:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-02-13T17:30:47.829-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='dizziness poem difficult girl manipulation'/><title type='text'>Girls, dizziness, and trust</title><content type='html'>Except for a dozen or so words of editing, I wrote the poem ending this post a couple days ago. It is not very poetical, but perhaps it makes up for it sufficiently to be worth posting from it being informative. Lately I have been thinking that pretty much there is no chance of being understood by people who are very much afraid of being wrongfully shamed by me. Unfortunately, pretty much all girls who would be interested enough to think about me tend to look like they are that way. I can't say that I deserve this; it's just something that follows from my being wise enough to know how to make a girl ashamed of herself. There is no way one can be wise enough to understand properly how to discriminate between depraved behavior and innocuous behavior without being looked upon as some sort of dangerous individual. If I were to tell a girl she be a skank, my having thought carefully about the exact characteristics of skankiness would make my opinion sting greatly. Why I would do such a thing unless I really believed it, I don't know, but it is just a part of being who I am that I must deal much more than usual with that fear.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's mainly females who behave dishonestly with each other as regards what is shameful or not. They can be quite manipulative about it (e.g., in making male desires for sex seem shameful, especially if such sex is not accompanied by marriage) with both sexes. Making a female feel like her behavior is shameful has a way of making her want to be more asexual and nun-like--the last thing a male would want. Males aren't often as manipulative that way as females. Of course, there might be a selfish tendency for males to make girls feel their relationships with &lt;i&gt;other&lt;/i&gt; males are shameful, so they'll get more sex themselves.  But really, females more judge males from the opinion of other females; and really it isn't necessary for a male to tell a girl whether a male is corrupting her or not; it suffices merely to point out what corruption is. And there are hellfire preachers who manipulate with shame to make their congregations bigger, but I am not especially trying to recruit a church.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As regards me, what girls seem to fear more, I feel, is my not really appreciating them very much. They will not especially take seriously what I have to say as long as they think I might be trying to manipulate, mock or trifle with them. Yes, I don't tend to bulldoze through obstacles or overcome external difficulties in relationships as though I be in a Sherman tank. I settle for what is possible. I already am mostly free, and to the extent I am not, well, it's not because depravity has me by the hindquarters, so I doubt whether I should get too perturbed about it. Unlike almost everyone else in this world, I have my own notion of what is depraved and what isn't. In particular, I actually think there is a distinction between humiliating someone by doing something depraved and humiliating someone by pointing out that one is addicted to depravity. If that makes me too dangerous to take me seriously, well, love is not an adequate recompense for sin, so it's not like I'm going to lie about what I believe just for the sake of making me more pleasant to deal with. I guess the main reason I'm slow and not particularly fast as regards females is that usually I mostly have no choice--they have to trust me enough to think about my opinions before my opinions will have any effect other than making me seem pushy and manipulative. And then if they do trust me sufficiently, if I don't get all excited and quick or like I'm fighting Pickett's charge when difficulty arises, maybe that is just because I believe getting all excited won't accomplish anything except to freak out everyone's family and close friends so much that the freedom we both probably mostly have will disintegrate. Yes, that makes sense. At least, I do not interpret my lack of enthusiasm as lack of love. (But she reminds me of electron physics, and I still don't have a clue why (or any well-thought out coherent theory of electron physics or intellectual reason to think I might obtain one), so it's not as though I understand what I am feeling, which has some dim subtlety about it.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The morning of the day I wrote the poem below, a strange phenomenon occurred to me. I awakened with an extreme dizziness that lasted several hours. It was an extremely miserable feeling, as though I was dying. But the dizziness went away almost as suddenly as it came, and I survived after all. This got me to thinking, Why is dizziness such an extremely wretched sensation? I don't seem to be any worse for the experience. And then it occurred to me that perhaps semen contains chemicals that via sodomy can cause dizziness. That would also explain why dizziness tends to cause vomiting (fortunately I hadn't eaten in twelve hours, so all I vomited was a little water I had drunk)--vomiting is an obvious defense against oral sodomy. Clearly if a sodomy victim is dizzy, that might be expected to tend to make the victim easier to deal with, rape, control, etc. Even when dizziness is not caused by sodomy, the brain probably has evolved to behave as though the dizziness is likely caused by sodomy, which would explain the extreme miserableness and emetic nature of it. (I'm not sure what caused my dizziness. The day before I thoughtless ate I think an excessive number of dates, perhaps on account of being agitated at the Treasury Secretary's preposterous proposal to lend money to people to buy toxic assets, enriching bank investors at the expense of people losing their jobs and going hungry, but I don't know for sure if the dates had anything to do with it.) A girl especially probably would be prudent to play so as to have a good understanding of her natural propensity toward dizziness. And if she is unusually sexually pleased she naturally might tend to shake her head violently by way of comparing her then propensity toward dizziness with that which she had examined during play dance. I think that this might explain why girls (especially apparently) often thrash their heads about in dancing--they're experimenting with their dizziness levels, by way of seeing what these levels are ordinarily or when unusually sexually excited, checking in the latter case to make sure the dizziness levels aren't excessive--and why (I have noticed) that girls who tend to do this thrashing can be unusually clean and attractive looking. I must admit, though, I wonder whether it is often overdone--people can be very black-and-white about anti-sodomy things--leading in this case to excessively sore necks or rattled brains, I imagine. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;What I want&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I want to be with her.&lt;br /&gt;I want to be able to talk about anything I want.&lt;br /&gt;And be listened to.&lt;br /&gt;And disagreed with when she disagrees.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I want freedom&lt;br /&gt;And so does she&lt;br /&gt;Rescuing each other from the same thing a little illogical.&lt;br /&gt;I am already free,&lt;br /&gt;mostly,&lt;br /&gt;And so is she,&lt;br /&gt;mostly, I guess.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I want to be more sacred in my eating habits.&lt;br /&gt;I chow down way too much without even realizing it&lt;br /&gt;Until it is too late.&lt;br /&gt;I don't really know what else I need to be more disciplined about.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I need to be more lazy&lt;br /&gt;in opposition perhaps&lt;br /&gt;more than anything.&lt;br /&gt;I get too focused on fighting the bad,&lt;br /&gt;my health gives way and I eat a dozen dates without realizing it&lt;br /&gt;and get more sick.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Everything I eat I must eat with sacred due consideration&lt;br /&gt;of its probable effects. I'd prefer always to eat a little less than what I am hungry for.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I wish I could be with her.&lt;br /&gt;But what can I do?&lt;br /&gt;But take more care in my eating habits.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I see death in haste.&lt;br /&gt;Maybe we'll have a child and all three starve.&lt;br /&gt;More probably, what she is brave enough to play with&lt;br /&gt;won't matter as much as what people would think.&lt;br /&gt;I'm odd.&lt;br /&gt;Nothingness all I'd get if I tried.&lt;br /&gt;I don't know why&lt;br /&gt;families would make a commotion,&lt;br /&gt;and win somehow,&lt;br /&gt;they would&lt;br /&gt;unless I don't see this as obtaining freedom.&lt;br /&gt;We're already free.&lt;br /&gt;Emotionally, I don't want to approach this with a running start.&lt;br /&gt;Passion?&lt;br /&gt;Yawn.&lt;br /&gt;I could cover your hand, though,&lt;br /&gt;and look at you,&lt;br /&gt;and say things that I happen to be thinking.&lt;br /&gt;And if you are dispassionate enough, maybe I won't really care&lt;br /&gt;what I say&lt;br /&gt;except that it is true&lt;br /&gt;and interesting&lt;br /&gt;and something you might not have thought of before&lt;br /&gt;in exactly that way.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Females can be sort of strange about pride.&lt;br /&gt;She can make the mistake of thinking what I say matters&lt;br /&gt;not only whether it is true,&lt;br /&gt;but whether it makes her feel good about herself.&lt;br /&gt;To tell a girl her faults to make her feel pain,&lt;br /&gt;a very strange desire&lt;br /&gt;it would be hard to imagine any male possessing&lt;br /&gt;except from a kind of immature anger.&lt;br /&gt;And yet,&lt;br /&gt;I would make a girl feel ashamed of herself if she deserved it.&lt;br /&gt;Reform matters.&lt;br /&gt;And I don't really think girls should respect me if I didn't think so.&lt;br /&gt;What a girl really wants is a male not to emotionally dwell on her faults.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don't expect a girl not to want to take pride in herself.&lt;br /&gt;I have my own opinions about what is depraved and what is not.&lt;br /&gt;I don't care much what others think beyond their proofs and to the extent I do, &lt;br /&gt;criticize me.&lt;br /&gt;It's perhaps too much for me to hope to find a girl who has her own opinions there.&lt;br /&gt;I don't expect or even want to be trusted,&lt;br /&gt;there.&lt;br /&gt;I want a girl who will mostly trust me,&lt;br /&gt;before very long,&lt;br /&gt;in that I won't try to manipulate her into feeling bad&lt;br /&gt;about things she ought not to feel bad about.&lt;br /&gt;I'm not trying to turn you into church lady.&lt;br /&gt;Not going to make you feel guilt so you'll go to my church.&lt;br /&gt;I don't have a church.&lt;br /&gt;Not going to make you feel guilty about a him just so&lt;br /&gt;you'll sleep with me instead.&lt;br /&gt;Or if I don't believe you should.&lt;br /&gt;I mostly have freedom,&lt;br /&gt;but not enough trust&lt;br /&gt;that I can say things&lt;br /&gt;to someone who will listen and think.&lt;br /&gt;If I had that from you,&lt;br /&gt;I wouldn't need much of any other trust,&lt;br /&gt;since you'd want me yourself,&lt;br /&gt;or move on.&lt;br /&gt;More than what anyone else can give me,&lt;br /&gt;I can imagine from you,&lt;br /&gt;though not for any particular reason&lt;br /&gt;I can understand.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8450654-4659516371841108686?l=discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/feeds/4659516371841108686/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8450654&amp;postID=4659516371841108686' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/4659516371841108686'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/4659516371841108686'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/2009/02/girls-dizziness-and-trust.html' title='Girls, dizziness, and trust'/><author><name>Stephen A. Meigs</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03864308185296073661</uri><email>step314@earthlink.net</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14212224205965888516'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450654.post-4000355708889723076</id><published>2009-01-22T15:17:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-12-24T12:44:28.193-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='maternal'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='girls'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='fertility'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='seduction'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='morality'/><title type='text'>Various Ideas about Girls</title><content type='html'>I thought I'd post various ideas I've had lately abut young females, but haven't much yet fit into the whole. Actually, I haven't had much insight about females lately, mostly because I haven't been around them much of late or otherwise had much new data about them, and partly because I have instead been thinking about mathematical logic (and the Silly Logic paper that I've been retouching as I am typesetting it in LaTeX). But even in uninhabited icy plains things can on occasion occur to me. Also, I've been thinking somewhat carefully lately about intellectual and economic snobbery, but what I want to say there is intricate and not yet polished, so it may take a while before I post about it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. As I have mentioned earlier, there is something pretty about a girl trying to jolt a male away from guilt by making the latter experience an internal lust in a sort of light way. Males can get in a vicious circle where guilt leads to lack of piety and lack of piety leads to guilt. A girl can jolt one out of that, and good for girls who do so. True, when a girl looks like she is trying to tease the priggishness out of a male there is something seductive about that, probably because men often need to be seduced into something so contrary to the prevailing lies from mercenary females. Anyway, I've mentioned this before. What I haven't mentioned is that when an older female tries to seduce a male by causing him to play with a lust she doesn't plan to be willing to accept, it not only doesn't work, somehow I have an inexplicable feeling it ages the female. It might be relevant that unlike girls, women should be smart enough to be able to use intellectual persuasion as a foil to misplaced sexual guilt in the males they admire.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. The more I think about it, the more I think there is something to my hypothesis that young girls can be made more fertile by being intimate with older females. The feelings which girls have for older girls are not really symmetrical. To the extent older girls have physical feelings for younger girls, it's mostly about increasing the former's sexual lust. The lust older girls can enjoy from younger girls often makes the former view their feelings for the latter as selfish, dark, and controlling. But it is not at all that way in the reverse direction. Young girls, if my theory about intraejaculate sperm selection is right, don't really have much to gain lustwise from older girls. To the extent younger girls have physical feelings for older girls, it's usually about becoming more fertile and thus having babies. I suppose it is as innocent-seeming as holding a baby doll to one's chest: it is the loving non-lustful sort of way girls are supposed to view physical attraction. The love young girls feel toward older girls is how girls are supposed to love, and so young girls all mostly feel very comfortable about it. I guess this would at least partly explain why preadolescent females tend to be so at ease with worshiping teen starlets like Hannah Montana, etc.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. Another idea I have had concerns it being very appropriate that females love mainly through sex. Well, sort of. Obviously the caring of motherhood is an important female love. And just the general things females do to make the world a better place at their jobs or in public debates, in the political sphere, etc., are important as they are with males. Still, though, the love that females give through sex is so important and so often maligned that one kind of almost wishes females would think of themselves loving basically just through sex. Women who say love and sex are different and that therefore they aren't bad for being sexually selfish (say, by valuing money over love in their mating decisions) are so common and pernicious, that really it gets to the point one can just be a little fanatical and wish females would just love through sex. I think that is why there is just something attractive and appealing about females who are somewhat physical about their non-sexual affection. It is nice for girls to view affection short of sex as involving physical hugs, etc. And as for the love mothers feel for their babies, somehow that women have breasts makes it seem a more physical thing and as an outgrowth of the sexual love they had in producing the children. When affectionate women care from love, I suppose it is centered in their chest, which somehow seems appropriate, an encouragement however moderate to view their most important loving natures as physical.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is interesting to consider how female maternal feelings develop. Very young girls, judging from their love of baby dolls, etc., typically seem to have much more maternal feelings than sexual ones. Very young girls not having much capacity for sexual feelings presumably protects them from deceptive feelings that might occur from abuse (sodomy). But near adolescence it is probably rather reversed. Adolescent girls aren't any more maternal than young females, for example, but they can be sexual (they are frequently maligned for “raging hormones”). It's more dangerous for females to have sex from love than pleasure, and somehow it strikes me that girls in particular are more likely to view love for a male as a maternal thing, as an incipient love for the babies that might be conceived than as a purely sexual thing, ie., as a loving desire to please a male sexually. This notwithstanding they have plenty of capacity to view their own pleasure as a sexual thing. So accordingly it might just be from prudence that girls are less maternal, it being unusually imprudent for them to be sexually loving. Also, it might be what I was getting at in my last poem might be relevant. I.e., maternal loving for a child, unlike sexual loving for a male, has a pleasing component to the female, on account of a mother's children being related to her and thus in some sense a part of her (whereas her mate is not related to her). So girls around the age of adolescence not being much by way of emotionally maternal probably protects them from dangerously thinking loving as pleasant (as opposed to thinking what is loveable as pleasant); it seems appropriate, therefore, that by nature, maternal feelings come less easily to them and are more awkwardly viewed by themselves.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8450654-4000355708889723076?l=discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/feeds/4000355708889723076/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8450654&amp;postID=4000355708889723076' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/4000355708889723076'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/4000355708889723076'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/2009/01/various-ideas-about-girls.html' title='Various Ideas about Girls'/><author><name>Stephen A. Meigs</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03864308185296073661</uri><email>step314@earthlink.net</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14212224205965888516'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450654.post-8424325315486284483</id><published>2009-01-16T14:41:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-01-16T15:00:52.072-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Outline of poem</title><content type='html'>... that petered out one-tenth of way through, leaving remains which were vaguely poem-like:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Girl pleased by loving&lt;br /&gt;Or pleased to have sex with someone she loves.&lt;br /&gt;A distinction with a difference.&lt;br /&gt;Love is no demand a worthy male need make.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So loving isn't pleasant&lt;br /&gt;But a male being the sort that is &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0"&gt;loveable&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;makes him please&lt;br /&gt;sexually&lt;br /&gt;young girls.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Girls get older;&lt;br /&gt;less afraid;&lt;br /&gt;want love to be pleasant again.&lt;br /&gt;Sometimes they throw themselves&lt;br /&gt;at men who please&lt;br /&gt;to the extent they are loved,&lt;br /&gt;who make loving pleasant.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But it is not the same thing&lt;br /&gt;as sex being pleasant&lt;br /&gt;for a girl&lt;br /&gt;because the male is loved&lt;br /&gt;and thus,&lt;br /&gt;in all likelihood,&lt;br /&gt;truthful and good,&lt;br /&gt;and thus,&lt;br /&gt;what she needs.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8450654-8424325315486284483?l=discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/feeds/8424325315486284483/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8450654&amp;postID=8424325315486284483' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/8424325315486284483'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/8424325315486284483'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/2009/01/outline-of-poem.html' title='Outline of poem'/><author><name>Stephen A. Meigs</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03864308185296073661</uri><email>step314@earthlink.net</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14212224205965888516'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450654.post-2737963984965981315</id><published>2008-11-03T06:19:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-11-03T14:12:46.746-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Why the field of Psychology is destined always to be mostly rubbish</title><content type='html'>It is a mistake to study the field of psychology--not because psychology treats of a not interesting subject matter, but for the pedestrian reason that the field of psychology so long as it exists is and always will be replete with falsehood. It will never be a subject that on the whole is done well, and consequently is not a field that should be taught at Universities, etc., as a unified subject. Psychology should be replaced by Pscychologies. There should be a separate degree available about each person who possess towards the subject a view that students are interested in studying. E.g., instead one should be able to get a degree in the various thoughts corresponding to the various psychological outlooks people view as important. Better that Christian psychology, Shakespearean psychology, Lockean psychology, etc., should exist as entirely separate departments. Indeed, the danger of it being seen that there should be a field of psychology being so great, an even safer approach is to have separate degrees in Christian theology, the thought of Shakespeare, the thought of Locke, etc. Deceivers tend to be better at deceiving about &lt;i&gt;general&lt;/i&gt; human nature than anything else, which tends to make it inevitable that Psychology, so long as it is viewed as a field that necessarily should be unified, will be dominated by the deceptions of deceivers and liars.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My own particular human nature is something that I am the most well-positioned to understand. I am the only one who can perceive my thoughts, emotions, etc., directly. Others can at best only make well-informed opinions of what my interior perceptions--my reflections, as Locke would say--really are. This is not just true of me, it is true of everyone. It is easier to judge one's own (interior) human nature than it is to judge the human nature of someone else, not only because one has more data that could be publicly accessible, but more importantly, because one has data that can't be publicly accessible, namely that furnished by reflection.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The character of a particular person's human nature, being so much more accessible to the person herself than to anyone else, furnishes an ideal touchstone against which she may assay the sensitivity of another toward her own character. I am not saying that it is at all easy to make someone think her particular nature is something otherwise than it is. However, it can be very rewarding for selfish people to succeed in such an endeavor. To see why, I shall first reiterate something I have discussed numerous times before, namely that, as is entirely reasonable, one tends to judge moral goodness in another indirectly by judging sensitivity towards one's own character.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is a great deal of confusion about why altruism evolves. The so-called evolutionary psychologists pretty much all assume some sort of game-theoretic approach that assumes an altruistic nature can't be predicted except from inferences made by past behavior. This assumption is neither reasonable nor common-sensical. I daresay that just a look at a beautiful girl is often enough to give sufficient evidence that the girl I am looking at very likely has especially beautiful, good traits. Nor would it be anything but unreasonable to suppose that many people would have evolved a similar remarkable sensitivity, to various degrees. Indeed, this sort of sensitivity is mainly something people have in connection with mating. The most important unselfishness so far as the evolution of goodness is concerned is unselfishness towards a mate. And it's a good thing, too, because it is only there that sensitivity would be expected to go hand in hand with an unselfish nature. When a person tricks a mate into a love that is not just, the result will be extra offspring by deceived individuals. For example, a selfish fiend could succeed in tricking a female into thinking he is especially good and thus loveable, and thereby cause him to have more children than he otherwise would have, an evolutionary advantage to him; but what he can't at all easily do is trick females into having sensitive children with him, because he can only trick insensitive gullible females, the children of which will likely inherit her insensitivity. It follows that there will be a high correlation between insensitivity and the tendency to deceive about one's own character. And this correlation is extremely useful to virtuous individuals, because it allows them to judge unselfishness (not easy on the face of it to judge directly) indirectly by judging something easy to judge, namely sensitivity towards one's own character. Sensitivity is something moral girls cherish in prospective mates. Selfish females mostly want money and caring; unselfish girls, being just, want their beloveds to possess good, unselfish moral character, and thus, being unselfish, these unselfish females often consider it just to greatly reward virtue and those males possessing the most reliable evidence for it, namely sensitivity. Girls love most importantly by sex, and the girls who are willing to love by sex being virtuous and therefore just, they especially want to love sexually a sensitive male, and so sensitivity evolves. Sensitive males get more rewarding sex.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sensitivity gets males into bed with extra-loving females. Selfishness also can be rewarding to males, because it makes unnecessary many sacrifices that otherwise a desire to be (unselfishly) just would demand. The problem for selfish people is that, as explained in the last paragraph, they tend to be very insensitive. So a common strategy of the selfish is to fake sensitivity. True, the difficulty of faking sensitivity is great, but then so are the potential rewards. Girls may let you fuck them (perhaps even in a reproductively meaningful way) just because your fake sensitivity might make them think you are nice. But here is the main point: Indeed it is intrinsically difficult to fake an understanding of the particular interior personal aspects of another, but it is not nearly so difficult to fake an understanding of the aspects of another that are held generally by people. I could not make up what a girl's personal tendencies, ideas, and reflections are and expect her to believe me if I'm clueless. But were I deceptive, I could with much greater chance of success make a girl interpret her interior thoughts otherwise than in the way that should make the most sense. General notions applicable to girls in general are just what the seducer needs to convince girls into thinking themselves as what they are not. And why after all should a bad male be any worse at coming up with deceptions as regards how a girl should interpret her own internal feelings than he should be at coming up with other sorts of deceptions? Indeed, one wouldn't expect him at all to be worse at coming up with deceptions so close to what he needs to convince girls that he be sensitive, the very deceptions he perhaps most needs to increase his sexual success.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;People are not born with many innate tendencies; most tendencies are what I call abstract tendencies, tendencies that arise because an understanding of one's other tendencies suggests that there is a pattern of tendencies into which the abstract tendency fits. I.e., one innate tendency is to adopt as tendencies those tendencies, the &lt;i&gt;abstract tendencies&lt;/i&gt; that are abstractions from one's other tendencies in the sense that they seem to fit the pattern of the others as best understood from one's understandings of things in general. It is not at all likely that a seductive male or a manipulative woman would much be able to be sensitive towards an other's innate tendencies, but it is not particularly unlikely that a deceptive person particularly skilled at his deceptive craft can not infrequently make people (and members of the opposite sex, in particular) come to understand themselves in a way that more or less guarantees as a consequent a set of tendencies abstracted from error which may not only be understood by a seducer or manipulator, but predicted beforehand by him. Since it is not trivial to differentiate one's natural understanding of one's self from an unnatural imposed one based on error, and since most tendencies are abstracted to varying large degrees, this method of faking sensitivity by imparting erroneous understandings of general human nature is sufficiently possible that given its potential rewards one would expect evolution to cause in selfish people the tendency and faculty to deceive about general human nature to be refined to a degree far exceeding their other deceptive tendencies and faculties. With a cunning and faculty greater than about anything else, selfish people lie about what people are.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One must grudgingly have some respect for what bad people are skilled at and realize that any general field that deals in what bad people are best at lying about is doomed to be replete with lies and deceptions, and will mostly be dominated by the immoral. Since this general field is psychology, the study of general human nature, it's nothing but counterproductive for there to be such a field considered a curriculum. Even if somewhere psychology could be studied wisely, it can't really be expected for that situation to last very long. Of course, it is very important that good people be allowed to express the truths that are counter to the lies of psychology employed by the deceptive people, and in flavor, these truths also could (if one was imprudent enough to think the concept of psychology ontologically deserving) be called psychology. But they shouldn't be called psychology. For instance, I have much to say about human nature, and in particular how it relates to morality and sex. But I would not want what I have to say about it to be considered "psychology". No, if it ever comes about that my ideas get studied in the universities, it would in every way be preferable that my ideas be studied separately from the ideas of others, say as Meigsology. Psychologists so long as they are considered psychologists rather than students of some particular type of thought will always mostly be vile and not the sort of people I want teaching my ideas. Even evolutionary psychology bothers me, because it is psychology after all, and indeed one only need look at most of what goes by evolutionary psychology to see how ridiculous most of it is and replete with the same sort of errors that render psychology vile. There should be no general field of evolutionary psychology, just fields corresponding one-one with the individuals making inferences about human behavior (whether partly from evolution or otherwise), each individual being considered separately perhaps along with the people he respects who influenced him.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8450654-2737963984965981315?l=discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/feeds/2737963984965981315/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8450654&amp;postID=2737963984965981315' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/2737963984965981315'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/2737963984965981315'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/2008/11/why-field-of-psychology-is-destined.html' title='Why the field of Psychology is destined always to be mostly rubbish'/><author><name>Stephen A. Meigs</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03864308185296073661</uri><email>step314@earthlink.net</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14212224205965888516'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450654.post-2800958692982114750</id><published>2008-10-24T08:50:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2008-10-24T12:49:09.333-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Obama vote'/><title type='text'>I am voting for Obama; and something completely different</title><content type='html'>I am disappointed that both Obama and McCain supported the bailout bill. But at least Obama is wholeheartedly supporting a stimulus package, which might make up somewhat for the stupid unfair bailouts. I figure the reason the economy didn't fall apart this summer largely had to do with the tax rebate checks, small though they were. And I have the impression that Obama has more of an upside than McCain. Obama, being young, is probably less set in his errors and more in a good way to learn.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I noticed as the campaign unfolded that Obama demonstrated the capacity to adapt. He didn't seem conceited in his speech before the Democratic Convention, as he earlier had seemed to me. It's as though he has the ability to understand and recognize his own irrational traits and work on correcting them, not an easy thing to do. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am not entirely gloomy about the economic situation. True, few of our leaders have a clue about economics, but with time reality will knock some sense into them and perhaps encourage them to read economics textbooks, etc., and to think rationally about how to make things better. And with time, we voters can learn better which leaders are corrupted by financial interests. I plan to vote Republican for Senate and House, since my representative and my senator up for re-election this year each voted against the bailout bill, which is more than one can say for most Democratic senators and representatives.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is a hint of an interesting idea in McCain's whole deification of Joe the Plumber. One could argue that there is something admirable in one who believes in choosing a path that will give him great gains should he succeed (at the expense of abysmal failure should he not succeed). Again, behaving so that one's success or failure more depends on one's innate abilities is something that encourages evolution, which people don't really care unselfishly about enough, since having highly evolved descendants mainly is of benefit to the mates of descendants, inasmuch as most of the genetic material in the descendants of some person is not from that person. People are especially selfishly indifferent when it comes to caring about (long-term) benefits to distant descendants. But just because it is admirable for Joe the Plumber to be this way, doesn't mean it is admirable for society thus to try to rev up natural selection by allowing excess income and wealth differences. E.g., maybe too much natural selection could interfere with sexual selection (which alone is mostly responsible for evolution of moral traits), maybe wealth doesn't correspond well to worth, and maybe evolution can go too fast (and thus too narrowly). I don't feel like it's something I have fresh clear insights into, though, especially the last part, so it is something I don't want to discuss until I do. Which is too bad, in a way, because vaguely I feel one of the main reasons some people are hesitant to take me seriously is they are scared by my attempts to connect evolution with morality. It's asinine that some people think "Hitler!" any time someone discusses morality and evolution together. They're kind of like people who think anyone who enjoys pondering nude females is a woot!-hole! person (probably the main reason females are afraid of nudity (as opposed to modelling in bikinis, say) is that they quite reasonably don't want to emphasize the hole-like quality of their sexuality, lest they be seen as trying to encourage woot!-hole! males, who typically are forever insidiously conflating holes). I refuse to let Hitler make me hesitant to consider evolution and morality together just as much as I refuse to let woot!-hole! males make me hesitant to consider female sexuality and the nude female form together. I am not afraid of becoming Hitler or a woot!-hole! male. What is the point of scaring people? Hitlers and woot!-hole! males will be what they are regardless, and so by encouraging people to take care lest they become one, one will only end up making scared and guilty the people who on account of their virtues should not be thus. I should point out that when I say someone is "woot!-hole!" I don't mean to imply enthusiasm, just behavior that mimics enthusiasm. Not that there's any depravity that should be suggested by &lt;i&gt;real&lt;/i&gt; enthusiasm, notwithstanding enthusiasm can lead to nerdishness and is typically somewhat crazy.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8450654-2800958692982114750?l=discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/feeds/2800958692982114750/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8450654&amp;postID=2800958692982114750' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/2800958692982114750'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/2800958692982114750'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/2008/10/i-am-voting-for-obama.html' title='I am voting for Obama; and something completely different'/><author><name>Stephen A. Meigs</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03864308185296073661</uri><email>step314@earthlink.net</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14212224205965888516'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450654.post-5159343533828043818</id><published>2008-09-22T07:57:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-09-22T11:32:24.991-07:00</updated><title type='text'>It seems I underestimated the "stubborn cluelessness" of our leaders</title><content type='html'>In my last post, I wrote: &lt;blockquote&gt;Unless our government is so stubborn and clueless as to want to impoverish our entire country so much as to turn it into third-world status, there is no way they can bail out all the owners of mortgage backed securities, etc., just a subset of the American owners of mortgage-backed securities (e.g., those owned by certain banks and American investment funds). And I don't think foreigners are going to stand for just the American investors getting bailed out. We really do have a global economy, and I am hoping China, Russia, the Middle East, etc., will use the economic powers at their disposal to force our government to do the right thing (exactly what these powers might be, I am not entirely clear, but I believe they have them).&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now this from the &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/business/22global.html?_r=1&amp;amp;hp&amp;amp;oref=slogin"&gt;New York Times&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Foreign banks, which were initially excluded from the plan, lobbied successfully over the weekend to be able to sell the toxic American mortgage debt owned by their American units to the Treasury, getting the same treatment as United States banks.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The underlying problem as I see it is that rich society mostly deals with crap by pretending crap is of no significance. They look down on people who are concerned about getting their hindquarters screwed as merely vulgar, as not much different basically from those who think getting their hindquarters screwed is good fun. The evils of the banking system are so similar to the evils of getting sodomized that it very easily tends to make people emotionally paranoid about it. Elitists view the looming financial disaster with the same idiocy they view sodomy, just as some phantom phenomenon people go paranoid about. They know that the people who get scared are not the people who give the best pianoforte and violin recitals, and practically speaking, the nervous people, they don't give the best presentations at board meetings, and aren't the best public speakers, etc. Do you want someone leading our country who at dinner parties over tea, wine and caviar is so unrelaxed that he can't think easily with nice elegant transitions in his speech? Well that's the way people tend to be when they worry about things like sodomy or the financial system collapsing. The rich tend to agree with Captain Smith (of the Titanic) that icebergs are so rare it's vulgar to worry about them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is important for those arguing about the evil of the banking system to not emotionally identify our being impoverished by the idiocy and greed of our financial leaders with our getting sodomized. The powerful people will sense your uncouth emotion and any exaggeration that such uncouth emotion might engender, and consider that as evidence of your folly. They won't want to listen to you over tea and crackers if they sense any paranoid feelings. True, better to be emotionally a little paranoid than to just ignore the issue from the disturbing emotions it can produce, but best of all to very sanely hate the evils of the financial system. The current cast of characters leading our financial system are probably not the fascist sodomizing rapists, they are the people who later could cause the fascist sodomizing rapists seem a viable alternative as people emotionally sense that the latter at least feel depravity has some emotional significance.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course, there are some rich people who don't ignore strong emotions. They're the sort who listen to opera, who tend I'm suspecting to be the better sort of rich people. But they're not &lt;i&gt;particularly&lt;/i&gt; very wise about their emotions, because after all, opera is for and by rich people, and so because rich people tend to be idiotic about these things, it just is not as informative about emotions toward screwed-up things as bluegrass music, for example (though bluegrass music has much dishonest and messed-up about it, because there is no particular reason to think people who like it are better than those who don't, whereas rich people who like opera are probably mostly better than rich people who like some other sort of rich peoples' music).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ha, to go a little off topic, I am partial to the emotional insights of the model in &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVFLgx8o7XM"&gt;this music slideshow video&lt;/a&gt;, purportedly shot in Hamburg, which video I discovered a few days ago. (The music is I guess also very good, but being a visual person, I prefer looking at it with the music off. The photos would be better without the occasional cigarettes, though.)&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8450654-5159343533828043818?l=discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/business/22global.html?_r=1&amp;hp&amp;oref=slogin' title='It seems I underestimated the &quot;stubborn cluelessness&quot; of our leaders'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/feeds/5159343533828043818/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8450654&amp;postID=5159343533828043818' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/5159343533828043818'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/5159343533828043818'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/2008/09/it-seems-i-underestimated-stubborn.html' title='It seems I underestimated the &quot;stubborn cluelessness&quot; of our leaders'/><author><name>Stephen A. Meigs</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03864308185296073661</uri><email>step314@earthlink.net</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14212224205965888516'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450654.post-2145827014766189809</id><published>2008-09-19T08:39:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-09-19T12:34:10.611-07:00</updated><title type='text'>My impressions on the financial mess</title><content type='html'>Since January, when I realized that something ahistoric was happening with &lt;a href="http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h3/hist/"&gt;nonborrowed bank reserves&lt;/a&gt;, I have been examining our country's financial situation with much more than my usual attention. I realized something very dire was happening, and after then studying the matter for a week or so I came to the conclusion I still hold today, namely that there is only one reasonable way out of the mess. And the solution is not at all complicated or otherwise than straightforward. The banks loaned out too much money, as they have done numerous times in bubbles before, and so they should pay the consequences; more specifically they should be left alone, most of them (among them the worst of them) going bankrupt. This will destroy a great deal of fictitious wealth, making people less willing to spend, and thereby causing the threat of a deflationary spiral leading to horrendous depression. But President Wilson created the Federal Reserve and Roosevelt took us off the gold standard precisely so such depression would not be inevitable. All we have to do to cancel the deflation is replace some of the fictitious money created by debt with real money by turning on the printing presses (as we started out trying to do with the tax rebate stimulus checks, a wonderful idea that didn't go far enough). And of course, this money created will in a short while end up being deposited at banks, thereby lessening the banks' problems somewhat, though not sufficiently that many won't fail, probably. So some of the money the government will print would end up being printed to reimburse those with money in failed banks who have insured accounts. That's fine, this money will also go toward avoiding the deflationary spiral.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Houses and mortgage-backed securities (the latter being the fundamental investments created as a result of bundling mortgages together to create investments so banks can more easily unload loans in order to make or process new loans) were overpriced. It is rather like the &lt;a href="http://www.econlib.org/library/mackay/macExContents.html"&gt;tulip bubble &lt;/a&gt;in Holland; the owners of tulips at the height of the tulip-frenzy never really collectively had the wealth corresponding to the prices of the tulips; the tulip bulbs were not worth nearly as much as they were priced at; it was just a bubble. The same thing is true of today. Those who thought they were wealthy because they owned houses, mortgage-backed securities, stock in Wall Street banks, etc., were not actually as wealthy as they thought, for the prices of these items were all inflated as a result of the bubble, and more particularly, incorrect expectations that they would rise in price. The government should bail out those who deposited their money in federally insured bank accounts, and should let the others suffer for their folly. There is a reason some people put their money in bank accounts and treasury securities, etc., even though in boom times their return on investment is low. They know that when booms end, as they are ending now, they don't want to risk losing their money. It is not fair to those who put their money in safe investments to change the rules when the more risky investments are in a good way to fail.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What is really sinister about propping up mortgage-backed securities and the financial institutions, as our government disturbingly seems to be attempting, is that the average not particularly wealthy person does not invest in mortgage-backed securities, money market funds, hedge funds, investment banks, etc. Propping up financial institutions amounts to taking money from the average taxpayer and giving it to those (usually wealthy people) who have investments in the financial sector. It would be like the government of Holland after the tulip bubble burst buying all tulips at their peak prices, something they couldn't do in those days because money was tied to gold in those days, which kept them from printing it. It should be very revealing to naive people who have grown accustomed to hearing over-and-over like a broken record from the pillars of finance of the evil of government interfering with the financial system just how quickly these so-called pillars are willing to change their tune. What happened to laissez-faire? All of a sudden government interference in the economy is not communist anymore. Government redistribution of wealth apparently turns out to be just fine when the redistribution is to the wealthy people with stakes in the excessively influential real-estate and financial sector. There is talk of the government buying up mortgage-backed securities. This would possibly be a piece of legislation never exceeded in both its regressiveness and unjustness. Those who aren't heavily invested in real estate, investment banks, etc., including all poor people, will endure great hardship as a result of this. Fortunately, I'm inclined to think the government can't pull it off. Mortgage backed securities are largely owned by those overseas. Unless our government is so stubborn and clueless as to want to impoverish our entire country so much as to turn it into third-world status, there is no way they can bail out &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; the owners of mortgage backed securities, etc., just a subset of the American owners of mortgage-backed securities (e.g., those owned by certain banks and American investment funds). And I don't think foreigners are going to stand for just the American investors getting bailed out. We really do have a global economy, and I am hoping China, Russia, the Middle East, etc., will use the economic powers at their disposal to force our government to do the right thing (exactly what these powers might be, I am not entirely clear, but I believe they have them).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What our government should do:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. Let investment prices, real estate prices, etc., reach their natural values. In particular, be fair and stop bailing out what the government hasn't promised to bail out. As banks and credit unions fail, reimburse those depositors with FDIC or NCUSIF insurance.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. Print money to avoid deflation and the concomitant deflationary spiral. Technically, the way the government does this is that the Treasury Department issues bonds, and the FED keeps or buys them (crediting the treasury with money) rather than selling these bonds on the open market. Distribute the money created to ordinary people (and to those with Federally insured accounts which have failed), e.g., in tax rebates or temporary tax reductions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. For the rest of eternity, require banks to keep much larger reserves so this sort of vile thing doesn't happen again, and so that the underlying cause of the bubble is eliminated (and eliminate loopholes that allow banks to skirt reserves, e.g., as with banks selling loans for securitization). Actually, for many years it has been my belief that low bank reserves have been a huge drag on our economy. Low bank reserves amount to the same thing as easy credit. As long as banks lend like crazy, the amount of money people have in banks will be a little less than the amount they are in debt, and the average person (who is more likely to have his money in banks than in the stock market) is therefore destined to be poor. True, there should be some low level of bank lending. Loan sharks probably would arise when there are no banks lending. And I will admit that there is an advantage to encouraging people to buy houses rather than rent. But the financial industry has so manipulated the public and our government by extolling home ownership, that home ownership has become an idol. As those who haven't studied Economics 101 in college unfortunately don't tend to realize (along with politicians who were more concerned with drunken revelry in college than with learning), banks create money when they lend it. Most money that is created is created by banks lending it, and this money impoverishes the poor people even in economically stable times--every such dollar is a dollar someone in debt has to pay interest on. At least with ordinary busts there can be a kind of catharsis after the bust as lending gets contracted. Now it seems that our government is using its cleverness mainly just to avoid this catharsis. I am not inclined to think they will be able to put Humpty Dumpty (the fictitious financial capital) back together again or increase personal debt to former levels or beyond, but I do believe their efforts will cause great misery (more a prolonged torture-like misery than an all-at-once one), at least to those who are not wealthy and are without a stake in real estate or financials.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The best blog I have found discussing the current financial mess is &lt;a href="http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/"&gt;naked capitalism&lt;/a&gt;; even the comments are usually insightful(and eclectic as one would expect from people necessarily on the fly trying to figure out what is going on as new rules get enacted most every day).&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8450654-2145827014766189809?l=discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/feeds/2145827014766189809/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8450654&amp;postID=2145827014766189809' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/2145827014766189809'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/2145827014766189809'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/2008/09/my-impressions-on-financial-mess.html' title='My impressions on the financial mess'/><author><name>Stephen A. Meigs</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03864308185296073661</uri><email>step314@earthlink.net</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14212224205965888516'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450654.post-760447529828232823</id><published>2008-07-30T09:52:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-07-30T09:57:20.182-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The Moral of the Story</title><content type='html'>Follow the link for a lengthy discussion in the comment section that I am having about metamorals.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8450654-760447529828232823?l=discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='related' href='http://www.bookwormroom.com:80/2008/07/22/the-moral-of-the-story/' title='The Moral of the Story'/><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/feeds/760447529828232823/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8450654&amp;postID=760447529828232823' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/760447529828232823'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/760447529828232823'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/2008/07/moral-of-story.html' title='The Moral of the Story'/><author><name>Stephen A. Meigs</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03864308185296073661</uri><email>step314@earthlink.net</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14212224205965888516'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450654.post-3442032094460211889</id><published>2008-06-30T07:59:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-06-30T08:10:35.463-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Enjoyment of Female Lust</title><content type='html'>Mostly, there is nothing wrong with pleasure. Real pleasure tends to correspond to what one needs from an evolutionary standpoint. Virtue demands not an indifference to one's own pleasure, but balancing one's own need for (real) pleasure with others' need for (real) pleasure. Love is not sacrifice. Mostly, one should seek to please others more than one's self precisely when it is just to do so. E.g., on the face of it, if I love someone an amount equal to what I love myself, then when I have a choice as to whether I should please her or me, I should determine who would be pleased more, and act accordingly. But when having sex with lustful girls, it is different. The significance of the lust, in my opinion, as I have described elsewhere, is that it occasions intraejaculate sperm selection. Sexual pleasure from females is mostly automatic when having sex with females, and of course there is nothing to be ashamed of in receiving it—the more, the better. But one can go beyond mere enjoyment to a kind of reveling in the pleasure. One can allow the enjoyment to have a large influence in determining behavior: one can emotionally allow it to influence very directly one's behavior. Now, reveling in pleasure is a kind of emotion, and the thing about having sex that involves intraejaculate sperm selection is that emotions tend to matter. If a male revels in his own sexual pleasure, well, probably his reveling will tend to select for sperm whose ancestral genetic material was from males who reveled in their own sexual pleasure. Since selfishness is seeking pleasure for oneself instead of for others who justly deserve it, bad males may be expected to spend a larger time reveling in their own sexual pleasure, compared with good males. At the very least, good males couldn't spend nearly as much time reveling in their own sexual pleasure because they'd be spending some of their time emotionally swept up in sexually pleasing the loved girls they are having sex with, and just in general making the sex beautiful. So in fact, notwithstanding that one's own sexual pleasure may well be as important as that of the female one is having sex with, emotionally it is better for a male not to revel in his own sexual pleasure as much as he cherishes his loving and sexually pleasing her. In fact, as regards standard sexual pleasures, it is best for the male to avoid reveling in them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is interesting and revealing that there is a kind of misconception that I fairly frequently see in girls about what a male reveling in his own sexual pleasure says about him. I am sure most decent males will have some experience with girls giving them that hussy look of “I like boys who are sexually selfish because they're such studs they can fuck girls even when they don't try to please the girls they are fucking.” In particular, I remember when riding the subway one hussy gave me just that look while her boyfriend was fidgeting all over her; a boyfriend I may add who was so dangerous looking I wouldn't have been the least bit surprised if his profession was drug-dealer or highway robber. On an intellectual (a word perhaps unjust to use in her case) level, I'm sure she thought me a naïve fool. Anyway, it is a totally preposterous logic. Sexual selfishness is what advances one's own sexual needs. A male behaving sexually selfishly by definition gets more from sex than he would if he behaved otherwise. If a female selects for genetic material from me that was sexually selfish in males, she will select for genetic material that might well have sexually succeeded because it behaved sexually selfish. Is it really easier to fuck a dozen girls at once if I choose not to be sexually selfish? I mean come on, what should girls think sexually selfish males use their selfishness to try to do? Maybe fucking a dozen girls? It sounds pretty pleasant to me. True, male holiness is unselfish, but then males who think they deserve more than what they have got have every reason to be holy; thus, you'd more expect to find unholiness (that comes from the male) from males who deep down know what success they have experienced is undeserved. In fact, it is considerably more impressive when a male who fucks fucks unselfishly. But this is not really the point. A male who fucks unselfishly is much more likely to be unselfish—that is the point. Girls hate having sex with deceptive males; and a male's virtue is her only guarantee of his not being that way. Sex with girls only selects for genetic material that is sexually pleasant to a female to the extent the genetic material in the male has not succeeded (in past generations) in getting sex from girls by deception. When a girl has sex with a deceptive male, the kind of genetic material her lust will select for in sperm will just be that genetic material so lame as to only succeed by deception (girls are more susceptible to deception than women are). For their own sexual pleasure, girls need sperm selection to select for sperm coding for virtuous, morally good traits. Lustful girls (and to a lesser extent, lustful women) need their male partners to be emotionally good and especially unselfish when they are having sex, because else sex will select for sperm coding for selfish traits like deception, and that is disaster so far as the girls' sexual pleasure is concerned.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As mentioned, female lust makes everything different. One might ask, then, whether enjoyment of female lust be different? Indeed, it is different. A virtuous male enjoys female lust because he too needs sex to select for his best genetic material. A male who is not virtuous, on the other hand, prefers girls not to be lustful, notwithstanding more than a few bad males might find it convenient to not much criticize female lust from the consideration that it might trick girls into thinking him the type of male girls would naturally lust for. One would expect there to be a strong correlation, then, between males possessing virtue and their appreciating female lust. Good males, then, would be expected more to revel in the pleasure given by the lust of the girls they are having sex with than bad males would. Bad males can't, after all, revel in something that isn't even pleasant for them. Accordingly, among the pleasures given by sex, the pleasure given by female lust or indeed anything that makes intraejaculate sperm selection work better, is something that is uniquely appropriate for a male to revel in. And indeed, reveling in female lust (which lust according to my theory possesses chemicals that get absorbed into the bloodstream through the penis, thereupon degrading cytoplasm bridges (syncytia) that exist between developing sperm cells in spermatogenesis, making sperm behavior more under haploid regulation than diploid regulation, effectively enabling intraejaculate sperm selection) is so indicative of virtue in males, that girls are very pleased by such reveling, as long as it is not carried too much to extremes. Indeed, one should be careful not to take these revelings to extremes. As Aristotle says, there is virtue in moderation. People have a tendency to be too black-and-white about things (except sodomy). And the enjoyment of female lust seems more than most things to be capable of tending to lead to that black-and-white insane tendency. Female lust is greatest, according to my theories, when many young females are involved. When lustful girls get their waists next to one another, there is a kind of allergic reaction that makes way more lust mucous, according to my theories. The youth inside girls selects for the sort of sperm females need from virtuous males, provided there is enough female lust absorbed by the male to make intraejaculate sperm selection relevant.. And sperm going from one lustful female to another (as can happen only when having sex with several females at once) selects in intraejaculate sperm selection for sperm able to survive such changes in environment, which necessarily would tend to possess stud qualities desirous to females. So, love of female lust is in a way close to loving extremes. It's not wanting just a moderate amount of females, it's (very close to) wanting a very large number of females (all at once). And it's not wanting females of a moderate age (for females having sex), it's wanting them very young. So a male should be careful to not let the insane tendency to not sufficiently appreciate moderation lead him to insanely want girls to infinity or beyond or to be so demanding of youth as to get him into trouble or to fail to appreciate sufficiently somewhat older females. Fortunately, life is not just sex, so any tendency toward immoderation that reveling in female lust might make a male feel more comfortable with will have a way of being corrected when dealing with ordinary matters. Actually, sex itself is one of those things one is apt to be insanely immoderate about. Get in a good way toward fucking girls, and that will make depraved men want to control you, probably (the tragedy of Robert Crane comes to mind). Emotionally, on some primitive level, males appreciate this, even if reason and understanding is a better defense against the dark arts. Emotionally, once you've resolved to try to fuck lots of girls, well, you'll probably wonder emotionally when (as there always will be) there are girls you want to fuck whom you haven't fucked yet whether your delay is on account of some monster having screwed your ass into thinking the delay necessary. And when dumb laws get in your way, you might feel you feel they are in your way because the authorities have screwed you, whereas they really might be in the way. (On the other hand, one might feel so powerless, gloomy and humiliated as to just totally give up even on what is allowed, but I don't think that is me.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yeah, but someone might say, I imagine, in response to my entreaty that males should not be reluctant to seek out the enjoyment of females lusting for them, that it would also be sufficient for a male to appreciate female lust from love. All he would have to do is ruminate on the consideration that when females have lust for him and behave with him in such a manner that makes intraejaculate sperm selection work better, the females get more sexual pleasure, as his love wants, of course. Simple love of making the sex better for the females could by itself make males appreciate female lust and sexual selection, inasmuch as good males tend to love the females they have sex with. Love all by itself could make males appreciate great sex. It is true that love of the girl one is having sex with is important in inducing males to want increased female lust and better sex. However, when it comes to female lust and intraejaculate sperm selection, I really think not only that the more inducement in the male the better, but also that his own needs are a better, higher inducement to correct behavior than her needs are. When female lust makes for a better intraejaculate sperm selection, that gives the girl having the sex with a virtuous male more sexual pleasure. But the pleasure is mostly short-term. After a few generations, only her DNA that is closely linked with his DNA will be able to profit from his DNA being more desirable. This linkage will decrease over time. In the short term, the male's pleasure from female lust is not quite as significant. When female lust selects for his best DNA, it does so at the expense of his less desirable DNA. The real pleasure for a male is long-term. Generation after generation the DNA that was originally passed down on account of the particulars of sex will be more successful merely from it being more fit. But in the long-term it won't mainly be his DNA that prospers. After many generations, only a slight amount of any descendant will be genetically from him. It will be the genetic material that is together with this material that mainly will benefit—material that comes from the myriads of spouses of descendants. And since virtue tends to mate with virtue, this is a very good thing. Those who have read somewhat carefully my writings concerning morality will realize that a major theme is that the idealism selection that selects for ordinary goodness just doesn't work very well when selecting for the tendency to want to evolve well. Caring about mating early, being true to oneself (so one succeeds or fails more according to one's own nature than according to the nature of whatever persons one has in conformity copied), appreciating others when they are true to themselves—none of these things are people good about to the extent it is in the interests of good people to be. Fortunately (as I have explained elsewhere), there are secondary considerations causing good people to take pleasure in these phenomena encouraging good evolution. Girls tend to want to have sex with good males while they are still young, because intraejaculate sperm selection makes it pleasant for them to do so. Similarly, they are pleased by authentic character probably as a result of female lust having certain epigenetic consequences that makes genes effected by these consequences especially expressed by those striving to be themselves. And males appreciate similar authenticity in girls having sex with them because such girls are the ones other girls are pleased to imitate. Mostly, males are not good enough to be very unselfish in desiring female lust from the beneficial effect that lust will have for distant descendants. These distant descendants just aren't related enough for it to have much force to evolve. If there is some pleasure in males in desiring intraejaculate sperm selection for the beneficial effect it will have on descendants, this should not be looked on as a bad thing. On the contrary, what a wonderful, higher, very beautiful thing. The only thing, perhaps, that can make up for the immoral tendency of people not to care sufficiently about the difficulties distant descendants will have. To care about distant descendants is a higher, more unselfish thing than to care about near descendants. Whether this caring is a result of pleasure or something else, it is beautiful and should be venerated and seen as something deep with possibilities to merge into some sort of higher obscure phenomenon. Males should be especially appreciated if they tend to revel in the pleasures female lust could give them. There is something akin to goodness, a higher goodness in which people are sorely lacking, in a male thoroughly enjoying and reveling in the pleasures female lust can give him in sex by way of its making intraejaculate sperm selection better. Accordingly, girls would be expected to find it quite pleasant sexually when a virtuous male they are having sex with does revel in their lust for him and when he wants that lust not just for their needs but more importantly for his own. They lust for his dick to long for the pleasure their lust can give it. Such girls are not hussies (or, alternatively, if you define hussy so inclusively that they are, then they are not bad hussies, but good, clean virtuous hussies). Indeed, emotions in males that suggest virtue in him, and more particularly, a higher virtue, do select for that sort of sperm girls want, yeah. Sometimes pleasures are so strongly associated with higher virtues, the pleasures are more strongly suggestive of virtue than the virtues people possess directly as a result of a willingness to be directly unselfishness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Alas, almost all females seem to be very confused about their sexual feelings toward other females, and this confusion is associated with confusion about the respectability of a male wanting to revel in female lust. Sophisticated girls know that when a disgusting male gets jealous of other males, that is when he is likely to especially want to do disgusting things to her. Skanky sophisticated females even sometimes stupidly exploit this to encourage males to sodomize them more. The more jealousy in the males screwing them, the more controlling, disgusting, and sodomizing the males screwing them will be, they figure. Indeed, bad males become even more controlling when they are especially given to feel as though if they are not controlling they will be displaced by someone else. A clean girl with her big heart doesn't want to be that way, even if she is quite comfortable with changing her mind about her evaluations and not particularly worried about her general friendliness giving some fussy males a (false) argument that she leads males on for foul reasons. She understands the evil of the situation, and so when a thought of her lover having sex with someone else ignites her sexual pleasure and lust to new levels, as one would expect from sex that is shared being so much more sexually pleasant and lustful than ordinary one-female/one-male sex, it is only understandable what interpretation she is likely to put on her sudden increase in the lustful carnality of her desires for him which other girls can induce in her. She will think that her newly awakened sexual desires are a result of jealousy. Female lust, like all lust, is frequently (and wrongly) identified with depravity. If she comes to want him more when something gives her occasion to imagine him in bed with another girl, she will think maybe that jealousy is causing her to want to be more addictively controlling and carnal in bed. “Fuck you,” she might say in her new lustful abandon, something after all there is a kind of appropriateness to her saying when fucking. But she'll probably say it like it is a bad thing, that competition with other females has given her the need to control him with lust before other females do, whereas of course he needs her (and lots of other girls) to fuck him in the carnal lustful way. Her being all carnal and lustful when having sex with him is just what he needs, and his wanting to take pleasure in it is not some sort of bad addiction, but a higher , more beautiful emotion even more respectable probably than his appreciating her lust from his love of her. And something similar happens when she interprets the newly awakened sexual desires for other girls that a desire for increased lust can cause in her. When she thinks about a female sharing her would-be lover in bed, it makes her want to get all lustful and carnal not only for him, but also for the girls sharing him in bed. She will of a sudden have homosexual desires! Well, we all know how pathetic people are at asking the wrong questions. It is sodomy (semen in the digestive system) that is properly disgusting. Male homosexual behavior is wrong because basically it means sodomy. Males sodomize males to control just as they sodomize females to control. Jealousy leads males to sodomize males and thus to homosexual behavior—girls know this intuitively. So girls figure that if they of a sudden have sexual desires for other girls caused by mutual love for a male, well, what underlies this sudden homosexuality may well be the same thing that can make a male want to sodomize a competitor—jealousy. In a way, it might be surprising girls would be so quick to think badly of themselves, but remember that when girls become addicted to depravity, they behave unjustly in a way that hurts other males. When a girl feels like maybe she wants to hurt others, as she might feel if she of a sudden wants to screw with lustful carnality in a way suggestive of jealousy in her, she doesn't need to think that she is fundamentally a bad person. All she has to think is that somehow she is under some sort of addictive influence. She will probably think on some level that her new found sexual desires for females are an addiction. She will wonder about herself similarly to how she wonders about the male she loves. She will wonder whether the desire for sex with limbs all intertwined in a bed full of young lustful wet females has addicted her just as it has addicted him, even to the point of wanting to use her lust to addict all of them and her lover to her as well. It is all the more easier for her to feel bad about herself because she knows she doesn't want her lover's own lust, and he's not the sort of person that in bed with them would make in himself his own lust, anyway. It might seem that she want to addict him to her even though he is so good he doesn't want to addict anybody to him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The feelings girls have toward other girls tend to differ depending on the degree of intimacy involved. At first, I think girls are mainly afraid of the pleasure they feel toward other girls. But upon intimacy, the increase in the lust and its concomitant pleasure that this intimacy brings, not being something willed, is a great deal more innocent feeling than internal lust that was &lt;a href="http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/2006/12/lust-one-cant-help.html"&gt;willed&lt;/a&gt; would be (especially, perhaps, if &lt;a href="http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/2006/12/lustful-female-sunbathers-checking.html"&gt;sunbathing&lt;/a&gt; be involved). Once intimacy occurs between them, this probably makes girls much more comfortable with the sexual pleasures they take in one another. But I would expect this would feel like a sudden increase in love that itself would be scary, especially since it would seem to have to do with chemical effects of lust mucous on one another's waists (sodomy, after all, has its effects chemically). So I think at first sexual fears in girls toward other girls have more to do with fear of false pleasure, and then later more to do with fears of false love. (Perhaps on rare occasions things can occur totally backwards; a girl can be in love with another girl first or more surely, and then interpret increased sexual desire for a male occasioned by thoughts of the other girl having sex with him as a desire to keep the male away from the girl lest he take her away from her; this would be a likely explanation for one girl suddenly making another girl feel very contrary toward some male who indicates he wants the former girl, even when such contrariness is not deserved.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sometimes it can be hard to determine from girls' behavior what exactly it is that girls think they want. For example, a girl can give the impression she likes music in which males scream and rant about how terrible lustful girls are. But it may well be that she doesn't like the music because it expresses her true feelings so much as it is relaxing to her that she can appreciate emotions so contrary to the feelings she mostly feels are more her own, but which she be afraid of. If she be worried that maybe some addiction has caused her not to sufficiently appreciate males who are skeptical of female lust, well, she will find it relaxing and suggestive that her emotions are real that she can emotionally appreciate males screeching about sluttish girls feeling lust (girls sometimes do actually feel lust for sordid reasons). Or maybe she be worried that her heart will be broken if the male she would otherwise want to love beautifully and cleanly make it impossible on account of his being addicted (as though that be possible) to the desire to absorb female lust chemical through his penis; a female wanting sex with scads of males is a pretty sure sign she be screwed-up, maybe she wrongly figures males don't naturally want sex with scads of females, and that accordingly there be something swinish in a male about him desiring quantity in his mates, even if he is very careful about protecting himself from venereal disease. (Actually, the more males think about maybe having sex with lots of females, the more careful they would tend to be about avoiding venereal disease and appreciating virginity, as makes sense inasmuch as the more females one has sex with, the more harm that will be done from getting such a disease.) If a girl is worried whether she be wrongly willing to let some other girl screw her over in a bad sense, and whether she be crazy for loving a man who is perfectly comfortable with it, it may well be relaxing to her if almost at the same time she is lusting for what might screw her over, she also can appreciate males criticizing girls for breaking other girls' hearts. Usually, girls straightforwardly like to explore emotionally what rocks their boats. But maybe if a girl is sufficiently afraid, the emotions she plays with tend to be the opposite of the ones that she mostly lets hold sway.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8450654-3442032094460211889?l=discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/feeds/3442032094460211889/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8450654&amp;postID=3442032094460211889' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/3442032094460211889'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/3442032094460211889'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/2008/06/enjoyment-of-female-lust.html' title='Enjoyment of Female Lust'/><author><name>Stephen A. Meigs</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03864308185296073661</uri><email>step314@earthlink.net</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14212224205965888516'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450654.post-192816694776865906</id><published>2008-05-30T15:46:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2008-05-30T15:46:39.041-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Advice to Members of the Various Social Classes</title><content type='html'>&lt;i&gt;I wrote this post a little over a month ago. The tone of it I didn't like, and so I didn't post it at the time thinking I would later improve it. But I don't see myself revisiting the matter any time soon, and so I decide now to post it. It might get people to thinking more correctly about the main idea even if it has an imcompleteness and a black-and-white rich vs. poor quality about it I didn't intend.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Snobbery is a bad thing. I don't think many would deny that. However, sometimes the various classes have certain peculiar capacities for virtue that, to the extent interactions between classes occur, are more likely to be encouraged from within than from without. Take the wealthy. The wealthy I'm afraid do not tend to be particularly discriminating when it comes to discriminating depravity from innocent wildness. Why? Partly because it is to a certain extent in their interest to encourage people to have sexual relations from money rather than sexual abandon. Having money, rich men are very capable of attracting females with money, but, relatively speaking, not perhaps as especially capable of attracting females with sexual abandon. But I would say that it is a great deal more in the interest of the rich for them to discriminate between depraved sexual abandon caused by depravity (sodomy) and innocent sexual abandon caused by great sex than they realize. If a woman leaves a wealthy man because she quite innocently thinks it beautiful or pleasant to get fucked by some less wealthy man, well, chances are if she had the choice she'd still probably leave the wealthy man, anyway. I'd even bet that in all likelihood she wouldn't have trouble finding a wealthy man whom she would also prefer to get fucked by than to remain in her present situation. And no matter how great the stigma against such unbrotherly behavior toward members of one's own class, men being what they are, it's going to happen no matter what the level of snobbery. And of course, more than occasionally poorer females can fall in love with richer males and have (free) sex with the latter--fucking between the classes goes both ways, and isn't always just prostitution one way any more than it is always just depravity the other way. Here's the thing, though. Rich people do tend to be cleaner than the poor. Not for any unselfish reason, but from a kind of snobbery. The less females have sex from the depraved addiction of sodomy, the more they will have it from money or the admiration of an ability to make money, what rich males want. But in contradistinction to innocent fucking, if a female leaves her wealthy mate on account of sodomy from a poorer male, well, her adultery or leaving him is something that very likely would not have happened otherwise. The wealthy are less likely than the poor to (wrongly) respect sodomy. This is one of the reasons the party of the wealthy, the Republicans, are more anti-sodomy than the Democrats. And I think mainly this is why (sodomy being strongly associated with violence) private schools tend to be safer and less free of physical bullying than public schools (at least it is my strong impression that private schools are safer that way).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The rich tend to be kind of clueless when it comes to depravity. They tend to group depravity with innocent fucking and file it all away as "vulgarity" and just forget about it. I notice this when I listen to opera, the rich man's version of hillbilly bluegrass music, or at least that’s the way I look at it. Opera is preposterous. That said, opera is not morally annoying and conniving the way most bluegrass music is; it is just stupidly naive. I rather think that I would like most rich people who like opera; rich people especially are to be admired when they possess an interest in art forms exploring the emotions involved with depravity and failures to distinguish it from innocent mere sexual lust. Operatic emotions are what the rich would do well to think more about. Actually, I'm inclined to think it is not the wealthy who are most to blame for the wealthy's frequent lack of discrimination in the depravity sphere. Lots of poor males want to screw rich ass. It is not in the interest of these truly vulgar poor to encourage in the rich a sense that sodomy is something they ought to watch out for more than an innocent desire to get fucked. The poor may be better than the rich classes at discriminating depravity from innocent sexual pleasure, but they tend to be selfish when it comes to edifying the rich. Needless to say, this particular ignorance causes it to be convenient for the rich to look at all the wildness of the common folk as mere vulgarity. The rich know they are ignorant about wildness and so are scared of it; scared rightly. So scared they often decide to live in gated communities and socialize just in country clubs, etc. They make sure their lawns are mowed carefully and be free of weeds, because for all they know maybe it's letting the lawn go to pot that makes depravity--they don't really know to more fear getting screwed by the occasional molester in the horde of transients they let in their communities to do all this work. But they still lock their doors and put their alarms to the on position. Indeed, with little interaction with the other social classes, snobbery really can take hold in the wealthy; a worse snobbery that is so isolated from the poor it doesn't even have to feel the need to view depravity as vulgar. Then vulgarity is criticized not from fear of depravity but from possible guilt arising about the clique necessitating justification of exclusiveness. Once the wealthy are totally isolated from the poor, there is no particular reason to think they won't be just as depraved (among themselves) as poor people are.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So I guess my main point about the wealthy is that there is a kind of desirable clean attitude that can arise in the wealthy from individual selfish snobbery, so long as snobbery isn’t so excessive as to preclude interaction between the rich and the poor. Because it is in the selfish interest of wealthy males for females to mate more from money or respect for money than from depraved emotions, wealthy males have an unusually selfish interest in viewing sodomy with contempt. But what really is the benefit to the wealthy to view females seeking innocent fucking pleasure with the same contempt? Perhaps wealthy males are just deceiving themselves in thinking that they really could cause their women to not want to fuck from general principle. A group of mostly like-minded people who espouse the truth, even if the truth is espoused for selfish reasons will have force to protect the few in the group from lies. In particular is this so regarding depravity, what people are more conformist about than anything. In a society where almost universally depravity is viewed as such and where almost universally there is no confusion between depravity and the innocent pleasures it is frequently identified with, there will be little danger of anyone in that society coming to view through addiction depravity otherwise than what it is, even if there be a few in the society secretly pushing depravity on others. But to view innocent fucking pleasure as akin to the sordid addictive pleasure of sodomy is a lie. A group of males might think that by forming an exclusive social group holding to their own views on the immorality of fucking that will keep their females from going astray. But that fucking is evil is a lie. There will be males in the group who secretly are not quite as against fucking as they make out, and there will be females in the group fucked by them. Such snob associations serve but half a purpose to rich males wanting to keep their women folk from straying. They mostly don’t do anything if their females really want to fuck from innocent reasons, and if the females want to fuck from not innocent reasons, well, the standard opinion of the group, being half lie, won’t be nearly as effective in protecting her as the truth would. Snobbery is a bad thing, but if rich snobs would only be smart enough to be snobbish in their own selfish interests, i.e., in a discriminating way rather than as vulgar interests have encouraged them, it wouldn’t be nearly so bad. Whenever I go to rich communities, I get the impression that these people would be unusually discriminating in distinguishing depravity from innocent sexual wildness, it’s just they lack understanding. More than other groups, they would believe both in innocent wildness and the importance of sexual cleanliness if they only were not so totally unfamiliar with wildness for wildness to be a great risk akin to sailing a ship in uncharted waters.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8450654-192816694776865906?l=discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/feeds/192816694776865906/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8450654&amp;postID=192816694776865906' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/192816694776865906'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/192816694776865906'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/2008/05/advice-to-members-of-various-social.html' title='Advice to Members of the Various Social Classes'/><author><name>Stephen A. Meigs</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03864308185296073661</uri><email>step314@earthlink.net</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14212224205965888516'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450654.post-442410441628918647</id><published>2008-05-30T15:18:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-05-30T15:23:23.276-07:00</updated><title type='text'>An Untitled Poem</title><content type='html'>(&lt;i&gt;Usually I write long poems, but for some reason the poet muse just stopped after having written just a few lines&lt;/i&gt;)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I know not what &lt;br /&gt;God would have of me &lt;br /&gt;To do now. &lt;br /&gt;I'd like to return &lt;br /&gt;To a safe discovering— &lt;br /&gt;The very sort I had &lt;br /&gt;As a child &lt;br /&gt;Reading a book &lt;br /&gt;And marveling &lt;br /&gt;At the world of safe adventure &lt;br /&gt;Learning clearly bode well &lt;br /&gt;To present before me &lt;br /&gt;A river flowing &lt;br /&gt;I only had to float upon.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8450654-442410441628918647?l=discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/feeds/442410441628918647/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8450654&amp;postID=442410441628918647' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/442410441628918647'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/442410441628918647'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/2008/05/untitled-poem.html' title='An Untitled Poem'/><author><name>Stephen A. Meigs</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03864308185296073661</uri><email>step314@earthlink.net</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14212224205965888516'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450654.post-2342815416835142788</id><published>2008-05-30T14:03:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-05-30T14:17:23.723-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sex'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='girls'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sanity'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='concentration'/><title type='text'>Girls and Concentration</title><content type='html'>Every so often I encounter a young female in what appears as a kind of constant fixed concentration. Emotionally, it hits me, “whoh”! Just a glance at such a female instantly gives me an awakened feeling notwithstanding I had before had no occasion to consider myself as asleep. But unlike waking up in the morning, when a girl's look awakens me thus I feel more dreamy afterwards than before. It's as though it is a sudden intimation that there has been frivolity in my life that needs removal. Like a sudden realization my brain was considering the planet Crouton all this time when it should have been planted here on Earth. Who would have thought? And yet there is terror in my emotion, too, like waking up on account of a nightmare. A beautiful nightmare. Like from sleep lifting my torso perpendicular to the bed all of a sudden to stare forward into the abyss before the bed, because I feel in my bones the nightmare was the warning of a benevolent monitory spirit who knows just where the real danger lies, aye!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This I know: that there is a peace in loving, a peace much desired that can't be gained merely on account of being sought. A coolness rests in the level gaze of a girl in concentration. It's a sacred thing, a girl like that. It's a trance.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I myself have been at times in a state sharing certain particulars with a trancelike state. But it is not the same thing, the thing that I have felt. I have been so that my holiness, my worship, my purity of thought and even my caring did seem not just as essential to what my love demanded but as the most necessary proof that my nature remained undefiled. Was I undefiled? Was my love virtuous? They became the same question. Were I to have stopped loving, it could only have meant to my emotions that some abomination had been afflicted upon me to change my fixed opinion. The best way I could gain the sort of peace I needed to do math was by never suffering myself to stop feeling even an instant the holy pure emotions involved in my worship of her.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When in such a trance-like state, I never had much occasion to consider sex that much. It was my love that was special and had to be kept sacred, and if I wanted to have sex with her, well, big deal, that's a fairly run-of-the mill emotion for a male to have—not really any need to focus on that. But when girls love, they tend to think of it as a wanting of sex. Girls love most importantly through sex. So when love makes a girl go into something of a trance, I daresay it is sex the girl is concentrating on. I think girls go trance more than males, actually. They are more often targets of molestation, which makes tests against such more useful there, in the females. The difference is that when girls go into trance, it is an obviously sexual feeling that they keep constantly inside themselves. If the flame of sexual love is not out, it can only be because depravity has not blown it out. And so long as the flame is not out, there is real peace for her in being able to continuously recognize that, notwithstanding that if depravity didn't blow the flame out, it wouldn't have stolen what she needs to relight the flame either, and so the flame probably would be easy enough to relight.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sodomy warps the sexual emotions of girls. It is what sodomy does. When people try to deny girls their natural sexual desires, the victimized girls are inclined to emotionally view that control as equivalent to molestation—an act of sodomy. Even when society tries to make girls scared of their sexual wants and needs by trying to make the wants and needs seem as being depraved and therefore untrue, what can happen when a girl's sexual desires are thwarted is that she can view the thwarters' methods for altering her sexual desires as likely depraved. And when a strong girl feels as though depravity is trying to warp her sexual nature from what it naturally is, she will need proof to herself that this is not the case to fully maintain her sanity. She will quite possibly need to concentrate on her sexual desire all day long just to be cool, even if that be quite opposite the intended consequences of the restrictions from those wanting to thwart her sexual desires.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So there's the thing. I love girls who concentrate on sex. The way they look when they are into the sacredness of their sexual desire, it is beautiful on what I can only say as some sort of higher religious level. It is transcendental. It's as though there is a rip in her brain through which one may see the higher universe. And on a mundane level, I daresay there is a kind of concentrated practical understanding of how sex should be to be more fun and beautiful that I see in females that I doubt could come to me so easily. I despair of having in me that same stamina of focused concentration a girl in a trance presents; my consolation is that perhaps this is not a faculty very developed in males, notwithstanding its use in sex is obvious. But when girls concentrate on sex, I suspect mostly they do so to remain sane. At least, all the girls I have seen in this state of total concentration appeared mostly in a trance, largely as if because they needed to be there to stay cool and focused. I would like to see a girl concentrating on sex as though she be in a trance, but for her not to be in a trance (though the state would so much resemble a trance, one might choose to define things so as to still classify it such). I can't say sufficiently how much I admire girls who view the vampirish thwarting of their sexual desires by society as a great evil, as something worthy of making one wake up screaming. And yet, when society thwarts a girl and the guy she wants, typically they don't do this by screwing them up with nastiness. It's all done very politely, really, in the name of religion and keeping girls safe. &lt;a href="http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/2007/08/society-and-young-female-sexuality-part.html"&gt;The underlying causes are more nefarious&lt;/a&gt;, but on the fundamental level, that wouldn't touch a girl who loved me, nor me either. Our separation would leave us just as clean and uncorrupted as before. Better for a girl to concentrate on sex for her sanity than to not concentrate on sex at all, but better still for a girl to concentrate on sex without her sanity depending on her ability to keep concentrating on it. It isn't right to try to make people love you by for that reason putting them in a state such that their sanity depends on loving you well, or to refrain from disabusing them of incorrect notions because so doing may cause them to no longer need to love you just to stay sane. I don't actually think people are of a nature to do this—the drawbacks of putting someone you desire in an emotionally unstable state are obviously very significant, and actually there are more things than sex or romantic love that sometimes people need to think about just to prosper enough to be useful—but I do think that there are people who &lt;i&gt;think&lt;/i&gt; they want others' sanity to depend on loving them. I'd say that they just don't very well know what they really very well want.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8450654-2342815416835142788?l=discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/feeds/2342815416835142788/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8450654&amp;postID=2342815416835142788' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/2342815416835142788'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/2342815416835142788'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/2008/05/girls-and-concentration.html' title='Girls and Concentration'/><author><name>Stephen A. Meigs</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03864308185296073661</uri><email>step314@earthlink.net</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14212224205965888516'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450654.post-1971541187731559575</id><published>2008-05-27T19:15:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-07-22T13:55:28.535-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='flowering plants'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='phylogeny'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='botany'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='dicots'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='taxonomy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='cladistics'/><title type='text'>Dicot phylogeny</title><content type='html'>Lately I have been dabbling with learning botany. Below I link to a list I've made to help me memorize both the various families of dicots and the evolutionary relationships between the orders. The lists on the internet I could find are too detailed and spread out for beginners like me trying to get a big picture to paste details on. I post it in case someone else will find it useful. Later maybe I'll extend it to the monocots, the rest of the flowering plants.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Files last updated: &lt;strong&gt;July 22, 2008&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~step314/botany/botany.odt"&gt;botany.odt&lt;/a&gt; OpenDocument text version (view the .zip file in open office or save with extension .odt (e.g., as botany.odt) if browser tries to save it as .zip file)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~step314/botany/botany.pdf"&gt;botany.pdf&lt;/a&gt; Adobe pdf version&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~step314/botany/botany.doc"&gt;botany.doc&lt;/a&gt; WORD 97 version&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8450654-1971541187731559575?l=discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/feeds/1971541187731559575/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8450654&amp;postID=1971541187731559575' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/1971541187731559575'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/1971541187731559575'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/2008/05/dicot-phylogeny.html' title='Dicot phylogeny'/><author><name>Stephen A. Meigs</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03864308185296073661</uri><email>step314@earthlink.net</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14212224205965888516'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450654.post-6146463232238940169</id><published>2008-05-21T05:47:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2008-06-07T21:14:27.656-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='virginity'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='oral sex'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='The Washington Post'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sodomy'/><title type='text'>The Rubbish that The Washington Post Will Print When it Promotes Oral Sodomy In Our Nation's Youth</title><content type='html'>Yesterday afternoon I heard on NPR about a new study suggesting that teenagers don't engage in oral sex to avoid losing virginity. "Hmmm," I thought, "sounds like something I should check into." Well, anyway, after forgetting about it for a while, I recollected to look into it, and it appeared the ruckus leads back to yesterday's &lt;i&gt;Washington Post&lt;/i&gt; story, &lt;a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/19/AR2008051901219.html"&gt;A Debunking on Teenagers and 'Technical Virginity'&lt;/a&gt;, whose lead is that "Contrary to widespread belief, teenagers do not appear to commonly engage in oral sex as a way to preserve their virginity, according to the first study to examine the question nationally."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Reading into the story, one becomes confused, because at first the story quotes an author of the study (Rachel Jones of the Guttmacher Institute) as saying that "Most teens don't have oral sex until they have had vaginal sex." An extraordinary and surprising claim, I'd say, and quite contrary to my &lt;a href="http://home.earthlink.net/~step314/ideas/nosodom.htm"&gt;belief&lt;/a&gt; that oral sodomy (I refuse to consider oral "sex" &lt;i&gt;sex&lt;/i&gt;) is an addiction that screws up sexual desires. But then later one reads, "Jones noted that the analysis could not determine which sexual activity [oral or vaginal sex] tended to occur first." So what is it? No evidence mentioned in the story corroborates the former claim. Perhaps the latter remarks only apply to sexual activity initiated more than three years earlier? Conveniently, the article links to the "full report" of &lt;a href="http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/JAH_Lindberg.pdf?sid=ST2008051901235"&gt;Non-coital sexual activities among adolescents&lt;/a&gt;, so one may check for oneself.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Going to the latter link, one finds the paper is full of arrant impossible nonsense. For example, “The overwhelming majority of non-virgin teens, 87%, had ever had oral sex, compared to 23% of virgins.” But then later, “Relative to adolescents who had not had vaginal sex, those who had sex within zero to six months of the survey were 9 times more likely to have had oral sex, and this effect was incremental. Adolescents who had had vaginal sex more than three years prior to the interview were 33 times more likely than those who had not had vaginal sex to have had oral sex.” And the words “adolescent” and “teen” appear to be used interchangeably. So simple math indicates that some people have had oral "sex" 9 x 23% = 207% of the time while others had had it 33 x 23% = 759% of the time. I don’t need my graduate degree in math to see that when probabilities are greater than one something is wrong. The most disturbing thing is that the Washington Post would print an article about such a ridiculous non-sensical paper and that other news organizations would pick it up. I can’t believe anyone with above average intelligence at the Washington Post bothered to read the paper and think at all critically about it, or How could they have judged its conclusions newsworthy? It is hard to say exactly what mistake the study paper makes that causes it to refute basic axioms of probability theory; my guess is that the study authors are confused about the meaning of "times", which refers to multiplication and not addition. Or maybe they were confused about the difference between addition and multiplication. Needless to say it is more important to first understand the basics of math such as the differences between multiplication and addition, and that "times" means "multiplied by", and that percent means "per 100", than to venture into "multivariate logistic regression". And it is totally irresponsible to give the impression one is competent enough to understand the latter when one doesn't understand (I'm guessing) basic arithmetical concepts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What is really wicked about the Post's decision to print an article dignifying a research paper of absolute rubbish (before it was even published) is that The Post encourages the falsehood that sodomy is not something that addictively can screw-up sexual behavior. What a cheap heinous way to sell newspapers, to publicize bogus studies couched in the language of statistical analysis written by people who give the impression they don't know enough math to understand the difference between addition and multiplication, just to be able to have extraordinary headlines that appeal to people's most insidious addictions! Like an aggrieved camelid, I spit at &lt;i&gt;The Washington Post&lt;/i&gt;. And I spit at most of the rest of the MSM for blindly picking up the story without using any thought to evaluate it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Kudos to &lt;i&gt;The New York Times&lt;/i&gt; for ignoring the story. They ran a story a few weeks ago, &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/30/magazine/30Chastity-t.html?pagewanted=1&amp;amp;ei=5087"&gt;Students of Virginity&lt;/a&gt;, dealing with similar issues which was actually insightful and sensical.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8450654-6146463232238940169?l=discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/feeds/6146463232238940169/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8450654&amp;postID=6146463232238940169' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/6146463232238940169'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/6146463232238940169'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/2008/05/rubbish-that-washington-post-will-print.html' title='The Rubbish that &lt;i&gt;The Washington Post&lt;/i&gt; Will Print When it Promotes Oral Sodomy In Our Nation&apos;s Youth'/><author><name>Stephen A. Meigs</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03864308185296073661</uri><email>step314@earthlink.net</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14212224205965888516'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450654.post-3032620606765203601</id><published>2008-04-05T07:19:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-04-05T07:32:05.212-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='practical female male girls sex'/><title type='text'>Should males make much use of their own practical faculties?</title><content type='html'>&lt;i&gt;This is a post based on very recently discovered ideas (like last week). In particular, I have but a very vague idea of the niceties involved in distinguishing the practical from the theoretical, not having thought much of the underlying philosophical distinction. Nevertheless, I thought it well to throw this out so people can chew on it.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As readers of this blog should know, I believe that intraejaculate sperm selection is responsible for females wanting to have sex with virtuous males at a young age, a phenomenon I call &lt;i&gt;nymphetal philokalia&lt;/i&gt;. If a female when young wants sex with a male before she becomes adult, it is a sign that she is unusually certain she desires him—she doesn’t need to wait to make sure he’s right for her. And so if a male is not deceptive, his being wanted sexually by young females is accordingly a strong sign that he is exceedingly desirable to females. The particulars of sex between a virtuous male and a young female would accordingly be supposed to select for sperm coding for qualities that are especially desired by females. But just the other day I was thinking about this a little more carefully, dotting all the i’s and crossing all my t’s, so to speak, and lo! I noticed an important subtlety that I had not erstwhile observed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The part of beauty that is easiest to judge is character. Accordingly, if a girl knows a male to be good, why wouldn’t she just ask him whether he has talents worthy of her, and use his estimation heavily in making her decision? Being good, he wouldn’t be dishonest. And doubtless he knows the extent of his talents better than she. And I think that’s right. A male should be open with a girl evaluating him insofar as his talents are concerned—it’s not immodest for him to display his talents. And males being open thus allows bad males to be open without stigma, ensuring that deception will be a tool employed by bad males, ensuring that intraejaculate sperm selection will tend to cause girls to reject bad males. But a male shouldn’t do all the evaluating of his prospects, no; besides being ridiculous, it would ensure that girls would not gain by waiting in evaluating the prospects of a good male, inasmuch as such prospects would not be measured directly by her; nymphetal philokalia would be hindered.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The distinction important to make is between a girl largely taking a male’s word concerning his talents and between her largely taking his word concerning his prospects. Once a female knows a male’s abilities, she is scarcely less able to evaluate his prospects than he is. And this evaluation would be expected to improve with her age and worldly wisdom. But notice something that this implies, namely that evaluating prospects through worldly wisdom is something more useful to girls (and thus females) than to men. But how really can one go about intelligently evaluating prospects (and in particular, the relative usefulness of talents) otherwise than through worldly, practical wisdom? So maybe when it comes to practical knowledge of how to be successful financially, socially, and sexually, or even of how to reform the world through (teaching) truth provided one knows truth, females would be expected to have evolved to be more skilled at it. Maybe even girls are not particularly annoyed at males who just sort of aren’t very concerned with figuring out how to get ahead or to accomplish things, because it indicates a tendency to delegate practical decisions to females. And a male who delegates such practical decisions to females is a male who presumably encourages girls to make their own decisions regarding his prospects. And sexually that is the kind of virtuous male a girl might be expected especially to be sexually pleased with, because intraejaculate sperm selection that occurs in sex between a male and a girl only would be expected to select for characteristics especially pleasant to females to the extent the male’s ancestors also shared this tendency to insist females use mostly just their own worldly wisdom in evaluating his prospects. But it is more than that really. For what has such a male use for internal worldly practical wisdom anyway? It’s mostly girls with worldly wisdom who would want him sexually, and eh, heh, if females with worldly wisdom are in love with him, Why not just make use of these females’ worldly wisdom to guide him in his practical decisions? He does better to concentrate developing his talents and theoretical wisdom—to understand &lt;i&gt;why&lt;/i&gt; as opposed to &lt;i&gt;how&lt;/i&gt;. He won’t have much need of practical wisdom. When it comes time to making practical decisions, he can just trust the most loved and practical of his lovers to nudge him in the direction that they find most likely to be profitable, ehheh.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8450654-3032620606765203601?l=discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/feeds/3032620606765203601/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8450654&amp;postID=3032620606765203601' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/3032620606765203601'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/3032620606765203601'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/2008/04/should-males-make-much-use-of-their-own.html' title='Should males make much use of their own practical faculties?'/><author><name>Stephen A. Meigs</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03864308185296073661</uri><email>step314@earthlink.net</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14212224205965888516'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450654.post-7217542253805165227</id><published>2008-03-26T14:30:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-05-14T20:34:13.767-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sadness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='holiness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='piety'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='genetic crossover'/><title type='text'>Sadness, Holiness, and Piety Explained</title><content type='html'>&lt;i&gt;Though I have blogged about the ideas in this post numerous times before, I haven't posted a good summary of them that could easily be linked to by way of justifying them or bragging on them, so here goes.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I believe that the main significance of sadness is that in males it restricts &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosomal_crossover"&gt;genetic crossover&lt;/a&gt; during spermatogenesis. Selection selects not only for gene qualities, but also for how well genes harmonize with each other. Accordingly, genes close together on a chromosome are more likely to have alleles which harmonize well together than one would expect merely from looking at overall allele frequencies; the disharmonious chromosome regions tend to die out. Genetic crossover has a large chance of destroying harmony and a small chance of creating harmony. Nevertheless, people have evolved to crossover their chromosomes because the occasional small advantage can compound generation after generation rather like interest on an investment does, to eventually create large gains. Thinking in terms of this simplistic compounding model, something that gives a 1% advantage each generation can after 100 generations turn into a 1.01^100 = (approximately) 270% advantage. But no compounding can ever cause a disadvantage to be any more than total; a –100% advantage is the worst case-scenario, corresponding to the chromosome region dying out. The important point to distill from this is that the disadvantages of crossover are short-term while the advantages are long term.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The genetic material of a male will mostly be separated from that of his mate after just a few generations. A male's mate can't significantly benefit from the long-term advantages which might accrue from his having heavily crossed-over his chromosomes during spermatogenesis, notwithstanding she can be harmed by the likely short-term disadvantages. Accordingly, it stands to reason that females are sexually pleased by males not crossing over their chromosomes, provided they have the capacity to sense whether such crossover is occurring or not.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Clearly genes will evolve more useful traits if selection is determined more by actual life skills determining mating and survival success than by luck doing so. It is entirely reasonable, therefore, that genes in males would try to make males sexier when they are unlucky than when they are lucky, provided that there is no overall harm to these genes in the long run by so doing. And mostly all that matters selfishly to genes so far as crossover is concerned is that on average over the generations the crossover rate is about right; no harm in regulating it from generation to generation according to circumstance. A male who feels himself unlucky becomes sad, and this sadness (I posit) discourages crossover in his developing sperm. Mostly females have the ability to see whether his sadness is authentic, and so females find him more sexy-like-a-Keats-poem as a result of his sadness, and as a result his ill luck less influences his reproductive success. "Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted" (by more sex, on average). Similarly, if a female has had bad luck, she will be sad. This should be a sign for her mate that she expects him to reward her by feeling her sadness—by making it his own—so that as a result her offspring will have an advantage. (In a female, eggs mostly develop while she is just a fetus, and so she probably has no control over how much genetic crossover occurs in the genetic material of such eggs.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But a male could also restrict crossover just because he loves a female unusually much. In my opinion, this feeling is best described as being "holy" for her. (Amazingly, according to the dictionary, the word "holy" actually comes from the Germanic word for "whole", as makes sense if the significance of holiness is that it causes chromosomes to remain whole.) I will leave it to your own judgement of your experiences with people (and yourself) as to whether you agree holiness be related to sadness. I think it is, and that in fact the emotions are the same in their underlying biological effect.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also, there is what I call piety. Ideally, males who feel themselves unusually morally inspired and beautiful would assist themselves by appealing to females by keeping their chromosomes whole, taking away from their genetic material in distant descendants, who from randomness aren't likely to be quite as special. What I think happens is that feeling special morally can cause a male to feel a "pious" emotion that restricts crossover, making him more sexually desirable to females. It is subtle, though, trying to imagine a process whereby males would evolve to care in this manner. That is where nature comes into play. Birds, squirrels, other animals and maybe even plants—they all probably just don't love otherwise very good humans as much if the humans aren't pious. And when nature wants to reward someone, it can give subtle hints about truths that can be useful to sensitive people—hints that people can benefit from which can probably, among other things, make genes evolve to encourage piety when nature expects it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All this said, there can be something insane about gloom. Sometimes misfortune can make one feel screwed up, leading to insane emotions appropriate for people who have been defiled, but quite inappropriate for others. The way I see it, though, is that the main reason sadness has gotten such a bad rap is that lucky people, having been lucky, tend to have more power and influence than the unlucky. Powerful lucky males can selfishly benefit by disparaging sadness. They quite likely won't be disparaging their own emotions, while they may encourage their unlucky sexual competitors to feel emotions making them less sexy to females.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8450654-7217542253805165227?l=discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/feeds/7217542253805165227/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8450654&amp;postID=7217542253805165227' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/7217542253805165227'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/7217542253805165227'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/2008/03/sadness-holiness-and-piety-explained.html' title='Sadness, Holiness, and Piety Explained'/><author><name>Stephen A. Meigs</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03864308185296073661</uri><email>step314@earthlink.net</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14212224205965888516'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450654.post-6634092564360791740</id><published>2008-03-19T14:00:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-03-19T14:58:05.132-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Financial meltdown</title><content type='html'>I am alarmed that the government's main response to our financial mess is to encourage more lending and to shore up what loans already exist. Trying to return to the situation we just came from is not a reasonable option. The correct method of dealing with this mess is to put more money, money not created by lending, into the hands of citizens, and gradually to restrict institutions from lending, by requiring higher reserves, so the underlying cause of the fiasco will not repeat itself. Easy credit is what started this mess. It is as though there is mass denial that there was any thing wrong with this easy credit system. The stimulus package as first proposed, just giving rebate checks to ordinary citizens, was a very reasonable if not very quantitatively signficant response. But since that time the responses by our government and the Fed have been quite idiotic, imo, just a kind of delaying the day of reckoning, the upshot being that the time of suffering and economic uncertainties will be prolonged and that everything will crash harder when it does crash. I predict a time of great suffering for Americans (and much of the rest of the world) as poverty spreads from the stupidity of our leaders in dealing with this economic crisis. Perhaps the suffering will be great enough that it eventually causes people to see that the easy-credit banking system has all along caused poverty and suffering by ensuring with mathematical certainty that the debt people have to banks will always be just a little less than the money deposited there. Perhaps it will mortify people into seeing the truth. But the Great Depression and the Savings and Loan crisis didn't teach people, apparently, so who knows?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8450654-6634092564360791740?l=discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/feeds/6634092564360791740/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8450654&amp;postID=6634092564360791740' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/6634092564360791740'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/6634092564360791740'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/2008/03/financial-meltdown.html' title='Financial meltdown'/><author><name>Stephen A. Meigs</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03864308185296073661</uri><email>step314@earthlink.net</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14212224205965888516'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450654.post-4872940358978798200</id><published>2008-03-18T15:27:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-03-18T16:24:22.936-07:00</updated><title type='text'>A couple poems</title><content type='html'>Here are a couple poems I have written lately, after thinking lazily about the ideas in them for a few weeks or months (usually in the morning). Don't just assume that my having written the poems implies that they are about real people or thoughts I sort of wonder might be in girls' heads. I find that the most interesting poems are about sex, and writing poems like that you've just got to assume that the various girls imagined in the poem like you awful much or, I don't know, the poem would be about having sex with girls that don't like you much, which I ken is kind of too rape-like to make a good poem. So, not that I'm saying girls don't like me a great deal to the point many of them are perfectly willing to become totally captivated by me, but not that I'm saying that some do like me that much, either, since I am not above being fanciful when necessary.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think I am getting better with age at deciding how much sexual explicitness to put in a poem without getting emotionally cowardly or bull-headed depending on my then attitude toward censors and whatever exists of the police state. Ironically, I feel that makes the general tone of the poems more safe, making them less something a prude or a censor might find offensive, yay, which makes me feel unusually at ease posting them, yay. I actually think most people will find these poems unobjectionable, especially if they look to the main meanings of them. The first poem starts out prose-like.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Beautiful girl&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Something strange has bothered me for some time.&lt;br /&gt;The most beautiful girl (judging by her pictures) I have seen,&lt;br /&gt;I sometime wonder whether I love her best.&lt;br /&gt;Intellectually I love her most, probably,&lt;br /&gt;but emotionally, I just seem to feel more holy feelings for a few other girls.&lt;br /&gt;I think I’m finally beginning to figure out what the situation is.&lt;br /&gt;I knew there was an answer, now I’m beginning to see it.&lt;br /&gt;Most lovely girls, even most girls who are very beautiful,&lt;br /&gt;they try to look beautiful.&lt;br /&gt;But this girl goes beyond that.&lt;br /&gt;It’s as though instead she actually tries to &lt;i&gt;be&lt;/i&gt; beautiful.&lt;br /&gt;It’s as though when she arranges her appearance she thinks to herself,&lt;br /&gt;“this is more beautiful than that, I’ll do this.”&lt;br /&gt;This might seem a subtle difference, but it is quite significant, I’m inclined to think.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Most pretty girls are like,&lt;br /&gt;“I will get more sexual pleasure from a possible lover if he thinks me beautiful,&lt;br /&gt;so I will try very hard to make sure he finds me beautiful.”&lt;br /&gt;Trying to look beautiful is just a subset of their main objective, trying to look so they might be worshipped&lt;br /&gt;in the way that gives them the most pleasure.&lt;br /&gt;Mostly, girls aren’t wise enough for it to be prudent for them to have sex from love rather than pleasure,&lt;br /&gt;especially because what gives girls (real) sexual pleasure is extremely close to what is good.&lt;br /&gt;But there might be a girl or girls so virtuous and good, they rightly would have sex more from love, because they are so wise, it isn’t really imprudent.&lt;br /&gt;But the thing is, girls are very good at trying to be loved emotionally.&lt;br /&gt;If a girl tries to be loved emotionally, well,&lt;br /&gt;if she is worthy of it and very beautiful to begin with, she may well succeed better than a girl who isn’t trying that, I’m afraid, notwithstanding the girl who is trying to be beautiful may actually be more deserving of such love.&lt;br /&gt;For instance, it is a beautiful thing for a girl to try to be sort of encouraging of a fanciful aspect in her lover.&lt;br /&gt;One isn’t quite as accurate when one is fanciful and dreamy,&lt;br /&gt;but one gets new ideas better;&lt;br /&gt;they’re largely silly, but&lt;br /&gt;time can refine out what is not quite right,&lt;br /&gt;and the new ideas might some of them be great discoveries&lt;br /&gt;beneficial to humanity and beyond.&lt;br /&gt;It’s quite the magnanimous thing to do.&lt;br /&gt;I say magnanimous, because I don’t really know whether it isn’t sacrificial at least in a limited sense.&lt;br /&gt;A girl might make me so fanciful&lt;br /&gt;I could do all kinds of funny things.&lt;br /&gt;Maybe I’ll start flapping my arms like a fairy&lt;br /&gt;so I can imagine myself flying away with her.&lt;br /&gt;The thing is, though,&lt;br /&gt;if I am next to her,&lt;br /&gt;observing her beautiful person,&lt;br /&gt;trying for a more pleasing, more sacred devotion,&lt;br /&gt;and then&lt;br /&gt;I’m flapping my arms like a fairy,&lt;br /&gt;How am I supposed to be possessed of the holy pious sadness&lt;br /&gt;which is also appropriate and which she would need for sexual pleasure?&lt;br /&gt;Notwithstanding an understanding that such fancy is no occasion for impious laughter,&lt;br /&gt;I might find it difficult,&lt;br /&gt;when flapping my arms like a fairy,&lt;br /&gt;to be entirely myself to the extent&lt;br /&gt;that would be virtuous.&lt;br /&gt;It would be quite difficult not to consider&lt;br /&gt;I’m being very silly&lt;br /&gt;and not to allow&lt;br /&gt;common misconceptions about the connections between silliness and the jolly&lt;br /&gt;to intrude certain misgivings that could cause in me a jollity&lt;br /&gt;that just wouldn’t be holy,&lt;br /&gt;no,&lt;br /&gt;not very holy at all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I guess I should be more precise about what I mean by a girl trying to be beautiful.&lt;br /&gt;After all, the way I define beauty in persons, it is mostly something innate.&lt;br /&gt;I think the way the word is used, basically beauty (in adjusting appearance) is what beauty does (in adjusting appearance); anyway, that’s what it means to me in that connection.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So what am I to do?&lt;br /&gt;Oh no,&lt;br /&gt;and how can I force a girl to be true to herself if she doesn’t have sex mainly for pleasure?&lt;br /&gt;My powers, my abilities to adjust love according to my perception of how true she is being to herself will be largely useless.&lt;br /&gt;Fortunately, I don’t think it matters much.&lt;br /&gt;Remember, a consequence of a girl thinking for herself is that by so doing she will do sex better.&lt;br /&gt;Especially will this be the case if she already has much understanding&lt;br /&gt;(not for any profound reason, but just because using your own skill works better when that skill is significant)&lt;br /&gt;and love&lt;br /&gt;(love is very close to sex in females).&lt;br /&gt;So I figure if I ever have a relationship with her,&lt;br /&gt;she would be herself, anyway.&lt;br /&gt;I just have to concentrate more on loving her better because it is the right thing to do,&lt;br /&gt;because she is worthy of it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Actually, though, there is another consideration.&lt;br /&gt;There are girls I kind of look at and think,&lt;br /&gt;Wow! all that girl cares about now is sexual pleasure,&lt;br /&gt;Excellent.&lt;br /&gt;And some of her friends look like they think that of her too&lt;br /&gt;(and I suspect they might feel mostly similarly)&lt;br /&gt;And she, and they, are beautiful.&lt;br /&gt;But then I consider my feelings about it a little more, and no,&lt;br /&gt;that’s not quite true she has no place for feeling love.&lt;br /&gt;It’s like she sort of senses something in my brain she loves.&lt;br /&gt;Whether she actually has been webspying or just can peer into my mind,&lt;br /&gt;no matter,&lt;br /&gt;she just wants to love the girl I find most beautiful,&lt;br /&gt;the girl I have mystical fanciful feelings for.&lt;br /&gt;She doesn’t love me, she loves herrrrrrrrrr.&lt;br /&gt;And it’s like,&lt;br /&gt;that could be useful, actually.&lt;br /&gt;Sacred girl will try so hard to make me love silly girl more,&lt;br /&gt;it will work.&lt;br /&gt;A division of labor.&lt;br /&gt;One girl trying to inspire me,&lt;br /&gt;because it is beautiful,&lt;br /&gt;another trying to make me love both,&lt;br /&gt;no,&lt;br /&gt;she wants me to love silly girl more than herself.&lt;br /&gt;Even though else she has total contempt for what is called love,&lt;br /&gt;as if&lt;br /&gt;girls being supposed to be led first by that is what gets in the way&lt;br /&gt;of her own sexual pleasure.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I enslave girls,&lt;br /&gt;I will enslave her&lt;br /&gt;to be what she already would recognize&lt;br /&gt;is more herself&lt;br /&gt;than&lt;br /&gt;what she allows to live her life.&lt;br /&gt;Imagine the comfort to her&lt;br /&gt;of knowing what mainly she loves&lt;br /&gt;loves me too&lt;br /&gt;and yet is not my slave&lt;br /&gt;at all&lt;br /&gt;but my equal.&lt;br /&gt;I wonder whether you can set her free,&lt;br /&gt;and if so,&lt;br /&gt;Should you?&lt;br /&gt;Would you?&lt;br /&gt;Will I ever love you more than her?&lt;br /&gt;Do you expect me to?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;Or After&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sometimes a girl will give herself up&lt;br /&gt;to sexual pleasure&lt;br /&gt;and sometimes&lt;br /&gt;she won’t.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sometimes a girl will think&lt;br /&gt;“if I only don’t get emotionally&lt;br /&gt;into&lt;br /&gt;it—&lt;br /&gt;the sex —&lt;br /&gt;he can’t hurt me&lt;br /&gt;too much.&lt;br /&gt;I won’t be his slave&lt;br /&gt;because then I can resist his charms.&lt;br /&gt;I know how to please him,&lt;br /&gt;I’ll love him so,&lt;br /&gt;we’ll see who’s slave&lt;br /&gt;and who’s not,&lt;br /&gt;yeah.”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Funny it should give her such solace&lt;br /&gt;Not to feel it.&lt;br /&gt;I think she thinks she’ll get just as much pleasure&lt;br /&gt;not being totally into it:&lt;br /&gt;That being totally into it&lt;br /&gt;And losing oneself&lt;br /&gt;Just a phantom seasoning&lt;br /&gt;be&lt;br /&gt;Of no real consequence.&lt;br /&gt;Lust willed less easy to judge than lust unwilled?&lt;br /&gt;That’s true, especially when sunbathing,&lt;br /&gt;but I am thinking of her pleasure here&lt;br /&gt;in a more direct way than of what pleasure her lust will&lt;br /&gt;give herself in bed.&lt;br /&gt;It’s the pleasure herself that mostly scares her.&lt;br /&gt;If she doesn’t seek it&lt;br /&gt;when she’s getting fucked,&lt;br /&gt;she’ll get the same amount,&lt;br /&gt;at least if it’s real—&lt;br /&gt;she thinks that,&lt;br /&gt;but she’s all wet,&lt;br /&gt;and wrong.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I will love her so well&lt;br /&gt;in bed&lt;br /&gt;she won’t be able to help&lt;br /&gt;being into that.&lt;br /&gt;She will not be able to resist&lt;br /&gt;not trying to increase the pleasure&lt;br /&gt;inside her.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But there’s something graceful&lt;br /&gt;almost&lt;br /&gt;about her reluctance.&lt;br /&gt;She’s really too sacrosanct&lt;br /&gt;for me to force her to grasp pleasure&lt;br /&gt;if she were in bed with me.&lt;br /&gt;She’ll become a slave&lt;br /&gt;as she feels my forearm slightly brushing up against her back&lt;br /&gt;because I’ll love her so well she won’t resist getting into&lt;br /&gt;her own pleasure&lt;br /&gt;while she’s having the sex.&lt;br /&gt;She will become a slave because my love&lt;br /&gt;will be too beautiful for her for it to be in her nature to resist wallowing in the pleasure from it.&lt;br /&gt;My teeth and tongue will be mostly well-brushed,&lt;br /&gt;I will be clean!&lt;br /&gt;and she will remember I am the world’s leading anti-sodomy theorist&lt;br /&gt;and most everything I do will remind her of my appreciation of her gracefulness.&lt;br /&gt;Giving in might cause her enslavement&lt;br /&gt;but enslavement won’t cause her giving in.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Girls need to be true to their own tendencies when having sex,&lt;br /&gt;and if they ignore some of their emotions then,&lt;br /&gt;that won’t happen&lt;br /&gt;to the same degree.&lt;br /&gt;They, I, everybody else—&lt;br /&gt;We won’t get as much&lt;br /&gt;if they don’t really allow themselves to consider,&lt;br /&gt;while fucking,&lt;br /&gt;what their own sexual pleasure is telling them&lt;br /&gt;about how to get more,&lt;br /&gt;because I am clean.&lt;br /&gt;That’s right,&lt;br /&gt;girls have brains,&lt;br /&gt;and I don’t want them to not use any part&lt;br /&gt;when I’m fucking them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And yet,&lt;br /&gt;there is something good-naturedly seductive&lt;br /&gt;about a girl being as true to her fears as they are.&lt;br /&gt;Girls like that,&lt;br /&gt;who try to please&lt;br /&gt;almost as best they know how&lt;br /&gt;without emotionally seeking the pleasure themselves when actually having sex—&lt;br /&gt;they are so innocently seductive.&lt;br /&gt;They’ll wear such skimpy clothes&lt;br /&gt;before taking them off&lt;br /&gt;and &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; sexy&lt;br /&gt;because it is what they want to be.&lt;br /&gt;How nice the way I could imagine they’ll milk it,&lt;br /&gt;all intellectual and rational-like, yet loving and gentle.&lt;br /&gt;Yeah, a girl being that way,&lt;br /&gt;not getting emotionally wrapped up instantaneously as they arrive&lt;br /&gt;in the pleasures felt from a penis as it’s fucking her,&lt;br /&gt;reduces fears&lt;br /&gt;of loving too much.&lt;br /&gt;Fear is emotional too,&lt;br /&gt;and gets in the way of pleasure.&lt;br /&gt;I will be so lovingly appreciative of&lt;br /&gt;her kindnesses,&lt;br /&gt;as she senses my forearm against her back,&lt;br /&gt;she won’t be able to help not getting more into herself,&lt;br /&gt;because getting more of it&lt;br /&gt;will just seem so much more important than anything else right then&lt;br /&gt;and later,&lt;br /&gt;because it will have been so beautiful so far&lt;br /&gt;because her fears of emotion&lt;br /&gt;that I couldn’t make disappear&lt;br /&gt;by informing&lt;br /&gt;were respected&lt;br /&gt;by herself&lt;br /&gt;and by me,&lt;br /&gt;it will become more beautiful&lt;br /&gt;to her&lt;br /&gt;(and thus more beautiful)&lt;br /&gt;to no longer fear her pleasant, purely sexual emotions&lt;br /&gt;and to instead let them inform&lt;br /&gt;her sexual behavior&lt;br /&gt;while she is actually getting fucked,&lt;br /&gt;and not just before.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8450654-4872940358978798200?l=discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/feeds/4872940358978798200/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8450654&amp;postID=4872940358978798200' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/4872940358978798200'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/4872940358978798200'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/2008/03/couple-poems.html' title='A couple poems'/><author><name>Stephen A. Meigs</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03864308185296073661</uri><email>step314@earthlink.net</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14212224205965888516'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450654.post-6393947911648432494</id><published>2008-02-26T14:15:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-02-26T16:12:56.569-08:00</updated><title type='text'>More impressions about Obama</title><content type='html'>I thought I would give a few more vague impressions I have concerning Obama, relating to his sanity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;An effective manipulative technique to make an issue seem more of moment than it otherwise would be is to encourage the audience to view it as THE issue. People have the innate tendency to want to view one issue as THE issue. I.e., to view precisely one issue as so important that if you have the wrong opinion about it, well, you're screwed. This is because there is one issue that is always THE issue. Don't get addicted to oral or rectal sodomy, and congratulations, you're already half-way to virtue; at any rate, you quite literally are not screwed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What strikes me about Obama is that he comes across as believing that his becoming president is THE issue. He has a way of projecting that if we only believe in him and put him in the White House, voilá, he will make our country pure again in the important sense. There are lots of people who try to manipulate thus. For instance, preachers will tell you that if you only believe in the Bible, you will be saved. Or financial gurus will try to get you to believe that if you only follow ther advice with sufficient enthusiasm and belief, money will sprout up all about you and you will get rich. Obama is a little different, though, from the Suze Ormans or the typical evangelical preachers. He doesn't so much play on fear for he seems to think our country (with at least one important exception, namely him) already is screwed-up; the only thing to fear would be more of the same, and most people just aren't very scared of that. But once he comes in, unifies the country and maketh THE GREAT CHANGE, we will be saved, he seems to think.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I could cynically say that Obama is being manipulative, but I actually don't feel he especially is that. My impression is that Obama actually believes that he can make THE GREAT CHANGE in our political system that will lead our country to pristine springs of prosperity and togetherness. Obama is crazy, I'm inclined to think. What is very strange about Obama is that notwithstanding he is crazy, his opinions are fairly normal. Most crazy people rightly feel that THE issue, i.e., the issue to be obsessed about, is always the craziest, weirdest issue imaginable. In a society with correct opinions about sodomy, THE issue is not important, and in other societies, THE issue will tend to be the issue which seems most insane--the issue which the issues of crazy people most tend to resemble--because largely people become crazy to find it. At least in a comparatively pro-sodomy society such as ours, the typical crazy person will be wise enough to believe THE issue is about the bizarre. But Obama does not seem to have done so. What he seems to be saying is that if we just do the typical things liberal Democrats have been suggesting of late, e.g., pull out of Iraq, make the taxes a little less regressive, make health insurance somewhat easier to get, Wow! we will be saved as he parts the Red Sea of disunity before us ennabling our trip into the great promised land of THE GREAT CHANGE.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is very hard to convince people that THE issue is THE issue, because THE issue (sodomy) is something people laugh at, and because many have addictions that make them feel THE issue is not the issue. What Obama asks of us is easy. He just wants people to believe the standard things that democrats have been saying for years. It is much easier to get people to believe normal opinions. After all, people with self-doubt want to believe in normal, and since Obama comes across as wanting us to believe we are all screwed up, his remedy of normal has a certain appeal. It's a help he has a booming, powerful voice. Zombie people like to be rescued by the strong. The big help to Obama, though, is that he actually believes. Sincerity is hard to fake, and I'm not inclined he has to.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I can imagine how Obama might have become crazy. I have read that in much of his childhood he was separated from his mother. Very possibly he viewed the separation as caused by something screwed-up. In a situation like that it can very easily seem emotionally that not succeeding here, not succeeding in defeating whatever caused his mother to be away, is a defeat by screwing-up forces equivalent to his own self getting screwed up. This can lead to an obsession. What is most peculiar about Obama is that whereas almost any normal crazy person would view his loss as having been caused by extraterrestrials from a planet orbitting Arcturus, or his mother secretly having pledged herself to the rules of the gypsy council, or some other bizarre such theory and that the answer lay only in deciphering the secret codes she has given him that lay all about him, instead he just seems to have decided that the answer to preventing such problems is the most conventional one.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Don't get me wrong. I am not against Obama because I think him a little crazy the way he comes across as believing himself on a mission. On the contrary, craziness rather suggests anti-sodomy characteristics I want in a leader. The craziness itself can be annoying and even disabling if excessive, but it says so much good about character, I can live with it. What bothers me is not that Obama is crazy, but that he is not looney enough for a crazy person. Given his craziness, such absence of looneyness doesn't suggest effective anti-sodomy characteristics, and rather undoes what his craziness suggests about his character. Accordingly, his personality doesn't suggests to me one way or the other whether he is virtuous. And the craziness itself will be a disadvantage, especially since he doesn't appear looney enough to profit from it. I don't know why he is so crazy without being looney. I suspect these traits are in his makeup. It's a very strange combination, I am inclined to think, and can't offer any explanations other than that combinations with small chances can happen, especially in a huge world like ours.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8450654-6393947911648432494?l=discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/feeds/6393947911648432494/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8450654&amp;postID=6393947911648432494' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/6393947911648432494'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/6393947911648432494'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/2008/02/more-impressions-about-obama.html' title='More impressions about Obama'/><author><name>Stephen A. Meigs</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/03864308185296073661</uri><email>step314@earthlink.net</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14212224205965888516'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8450654.post-7930168252395019545</id><published>2008-02-12T07:05:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-02-12T09:30:40.063-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Why Obama makes me uneasy.</title><content type='html'>I end up watching a great deal of CNN and MSNBC because my mom is very much into the election and likes to keep up with the election drama not very differently I think than from how I used to keep up with sports when I was a kid (only she is even more into it), and so the television often tends to be on and tuned to those stations. We both agree the coverage is awful--the shameless emotional manipulations to make it seem like every bit of news is the most important thing to know about since the invention of the wheel. It is just not a restful thing to listen to for me, and so I'd rather get my news from the internet. Anyway, what we notice is that these networks are very much pro-Obama and anti-Hillary. Right from the get go I could tell they had decided they want Obama to win. That, if nothing else, makes me not want to vote for Obama, since it makes me wonder whether there be some corruption causing the media's slant. In the debates Obama really doesn't say at all precisely what he is going to do, and though he speaks about change as though he has some original different ideas, I suspect that if he had these original ideas to a significant extent, he would tell us what they are.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Conspiracy? Has Obama bought off the MSM somehow? I doubt all that. Some of it I think is pure sexism. Obama is OK at giving emotionally dramatic speeches, that's probably his main skill. And it is a skill of presentation not unlike the skill that would make one television personality more fit to squabble and make dramatic political pontifications than another personality. If Obama gets idolized, the male television personalities probably figure they will end up getting idolized too, which might make them get sex easier. But that's all rather obvious, the same sort of thing that makes television full of shows about entertainment personalities nobody with sense who doesn't want to go into the entertainment profession would ever hardly care about. I also think there is something more subtle going on concerning Obama's mixed race.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The main reason I am uneasy about Obama is that I think he has an extremely high opinion of himself that is not justified by what he seems to be, judging from his debates and his declared opinions. I suspect he is extremely conceited. What's more, I don't think people are realizing just how conceited he is because they don't understand the significance of mixed race. Many people are prone to judging one's opinion of oneself by judging how pious one is; thus the expression, "holier than thou." This is mostly very reasonable. If a male thinks he is great, especially in the moral sphere, he will tend emotionally to postpone to future generations the crossing-over of his DNA in his gametes, because postponing this so, by creating in himself a spirit of holiness and piety, will make him in this generation more sexually attractive to females, which on some level is what he feels he needs to do, because he be unusually great in his own estimation. Obama comes across as being rather pious in aspect, which in ordinary circumstances would seem a little excessive considering how he comes across on television. But it would not appear so very excessive I should think it terribly excessive except for the consideration of his mixed race. The whole point of genetic crossover is genetic mixing. In no person is genetic crossover more relevant and appropriate than in a person with parents of differing race. Obama has done pretty well for himself. If he is what he presents himself as, there would appear to be a fairly harmonious new combination of DNA there in his person, a harmonious combination that just won't exist much anymore in his descendants unless he is more lustful than he is, because it is a &lt;i&gt;new&lt;/i&gt; harmony. Males of mixed race (and more especially and precisely males whose parents are of different race) should be a great deal more lustful than males not of mixed race, and I really think that is their (appropriate) tendency mostly. That Obama comes across as pious makes me think he is either a remarkable faker or that he is extremely conceited (probably the latter). There are other possibilities, I guess. E.g., he could be very much into girls, who especially appreciate piety (this would actually make me want to vote for him, but I don't think that is the most likely explanation). Or he could idolize his wife an extreme degree or be extremely hen-pecked by her (I wouldn't be surprised if both of these possibilities might apply somewhat, but I think them less significant possibilities than his conceitedness). And a president who thinks too highly of himself could be quite a dangerous thing that I don't want. Especially since apparently he used cocaine previously.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am really quite certain sons of parents of different races should be more lustful and less pious and holy than sons of parents of the same race. Indeed, a few years ago when I was on a train, I was pleased to sort of eye flirt during most of the trip with an extremely pretty girl whose parents were of different races (her mother was white, and her father was Asian--Filipino or (less likely) Thai I guessed). I would look at her all holy and pure and innocent, and she just really tried so hard to get me to look lightsomely at her like that was how I would feel about her if I liked her--not so much in a seductive way like she was temporarily adopting seductive emotions to destroy misplaced guilt in me, but like she figured with emotional lightness all around is how our physical love and attraction if it ever came to that (I don't wish to indicate whether I think it already came to that in her) would be. It's as though it never occurred to her that I could physically love her in a holy way or that holiness could ever have anything to do with anything but priggishness. And I deduced from having looked at her and (a great deal less) at her other family members what the deal was. Her brother also was a very special person (though I didn't look at him much, duh, since his sister being so pretty and of the opposite sex was of course much more interesting to me), at least he looked that way, and his sister probably loved him and their family so much that she definitely didn't want him to have the holiness that would be inappropriate from the point of view of producing lasting genetic connections between her mother and father. She sensed that her brother, a lovely son in a beautiful interracial family, will need when dealing with females to be emotionally lightsome and not very all-serious like, and that's how she just sort of assumed all males should be. That is something else that is weird about Obama. He says that he believes in making one America (a very good and effective political goal, which if I recall by the way was Edwards' stated goal four years ago before he apparently decided to change this time around and run mostly using the standard rich-are-evil-wicked-people platform), but if he believed that emotionally, Why wouldn't he emotionally be lightsome like cream (the girl somehow reminded me of cream or creamy smoothness, or maybe some sort of ideal healthy vegan creme since I mostly avoid milk products), since in some sense that would bring his parents together? (Of all my biological theories, my one concerning males being able to regulate genetic crossover in gametes should be the most obvious. It just doesn't make sense to anyone who thinks for himself that such a tendency wouldn't evolve given the ease with which such control could occur and the usefulness of it to evolutionary survival.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I prefer Hillary to Obama. I am also OK with McCain. The Republicans seem to be getting better, and the Democrats seem to be getting worse. The Democrats have the cowardly wrong position about the war and they are too pro-sodomy. The Republicans are too much for the wealthy and tend to be too much in line with the evangelical fanatics. McCain comes across as less for the wealthy and the evangelicals than the other Republicans, and he has the best war position of all the candidates. Believe it or not, what bothers me especially about McCain is that he has been (and I guess still is) very much against Amtrak. I have always loved trains, and with today's energy crisis, they make more sense than ever. How could anyone be against trains? I'll probably vote for Hillary over McCain and McCain over Obama.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8450654-7930168252395019545?l=discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/feeds/7930168252395019545/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8450654&amp;postID=7930168252395019545' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/7930168252395019545'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8450654/posts/default/7930168252395019545'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://discriminatingmorals.blogspot.com/2008/02/why-obama-makes-me-uneasy.html' title='Why Obama makes me uneasy.'/><author><name>Stephen A. 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