tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-78987013135438907122009-07-06T09:37:29.552-07:00Let the Conversation continue. . . in Every Square Inch of life!&quot;Let the Conversation Continue,&quot; is part of the ministry of Arizona Christian Worldview Institute (acwi-online.org), a discipleship ministry whose primary ministry is through the media, mainly radio &amp; publishing. We also serve the body of Christ with workshops and conferences. &quot;Conversation&quot; is a place to interact about the topics we post. We&#39;re focused on community and conversation. So grab a cup of coffee, sit awhile, and join the conversation!Coffee Snobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00620074728854238145noreply@blogger.comBlogger182125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898701313543890712.post-76036598458480701702009-07-06T09:30:00.002-07:002009-07-06T09:37:29.566-07:00“So what!” makes sin acceptable.Thank you Brian Ring<br /><br /><a href="http://frostminster.blogspot.com/2009/06/counting-cost-of-sexual-immorality.html">Counting the Cost of Sexual Immorality</a><br /><br /><a href="http://www.frostminster.blogspot.com/">http://www.frostminster.blogspot.com/</a><br /><br />Thanks you Al Mohler<br /><br />A Governor, a King, and the Tragedy of Adultery<br /><br /><a href="http://frostminster.blogspot.com/2009/06/counting-cost-of-sexual-immorality.html"></a> <a href="http://almohler.com/blog_read.php?id=4089">http://almohler.com/blog_read.php?id=4089</a><br /><br />Eutychus<div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7898701313543890712-7603659845848070170?l=conversation.acwi-online.org'/></div>Eutychushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02189956154099856779noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898701313543890712.post-66907146430380156322009-06-28T15:59:00.001-07:002009-06-28T16:01:45.231-07:00Reading Renewal-AugustineReading Renewal<br />The Swan Is Not Silent<br /> <br /> “And we need to rediscover Augustine's peculiar slant - a very Biblical slant - on grace as the free gift of sovereign joy in God that frees us from the bondage of sin. We need to rethink our Reformed soteriology so that every limb and every branch in the tree is coursing with the sap of Augustinian delight. We need to make plain that total depravity is not just badness, but blindness to beauty and deadness to joy; and unconditional election means that the completeness of our joy in Jesus was planned for us before we ever existed; and that limited atonement is the assurance that indestructible joy in God is infallibly secured for us by the blood of the covenant; and irresistible grace is the commitment and power of God's love to make sure we don't hold on to suicidal pleasures, but will set us free by the sovereign power of superior delights; and that the perseverance of the saints is the almighty work of God to keep us, through all affliction and suffering, for an inheritance of pleasures at God's right hand forever.”<br /><br /><a href="http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/Biographies/1474_The_Swan_is_Not_Silent/">http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/Biographies/1474_The_Swan_is_Not_Silent/</a><br /><br />Eutychus<div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7898701313543890712-6690714643038015632?l=conversation.acwi-online.org'/></div>Eutychushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02189956154099856779noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898701313543890712.post-15509890221064917652009-06-25T09:39:00.005-07:002009-06-25T09:46:31.257-07:00A Day of Mourning for AmericaToday, June 25, should be a day of mourning for America.<br /><br />Today is the 47th anniversary of the US Supreme Court case of <a title="blocked::http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engel_v._Vitale" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engel_v._Vitale">Engel vs. Vitale</a>. <br /><br />Many people do not know what that means, and still more do not understand the significance of it. I have come to believe that this case, and thus this day, marks the beginning of the end of America as a dominant force for good, and, even as a nation. This court case was one of two that basically expelled Christ from our schools and effectively forbade the current and following generations from acknowledging Him for who He really is. In this decision, the highest court in the land, those who would set what is allowable and what is not allowable in our society, effectively ruled that Christ had no place in what we teach our young. We, as a people, as Christians, as Americans, did not stand up to be counted when it counted. We, effectively, did nothing. Good men doing nothing is all it takes for evil to triumph; and so it has.<br /><br />Today, our schools are in ruins, our children believing that God is not only irrelevant, but hateful. What once was considered sinful is now accepted and what once was Biblical is now hate speech. We teach comprehensive sexuality to children barely able to read and not yet old enough to keep track of their lunch money. We have actually banned the Pledge of Allegiance in some places because it dares to recognize God. We have Winterfest and Spring Break because Christmas and Easter offend people. . .<br /><br />Today marks the anniversary of the beginning of the Post-Christian Era in America. Our President has declared that we are no longer a Christian nation. Sadly, it is one of the few things he has said that I believe.<br /><br /><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:85%;">[Thanks to our friend, Dr. Scott W. Norman, for these insights. You can hear more from Dr. Norman at ACWI's education conference on <strong>Nov.</strong> <strong>21, </strong><em><strong>The Role of Christian Educators in an Emerging Post-Christian America</strong>.</em>]</span><div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7898701313543890712-1550989022106491765?l=conversation.acwi-online.org'/></div>Coffee Snobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00620074728854238145noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898701313543890712.post-63456936590734374932009-06-23T01:01:00.007-07:002009-06-23T01:12:26.116-07:00A few random notes on art & aesthetics<strong>Random note</strong> <strong># 1</strong> comes from our friend, Darrow Miller, of <a href="http://www.disciplenations.org/home">Disciple Nations Alliance</a>:<br /><blockquote><p><span style="font-family:georgia;">That God is the first and perfect artist is attested by the beauty of creation.<br />The fact that “in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth”<br />establishes the metaphysical foundation for all of the arts (painting, writing,<br />composition, sculpting, dance, etc.) and for human creativity. Beauty<br />enriches our lives and brings a sense of wonder to the human soul.<br /><br />. . . the biblical worldview sees the universe as ultimately beautiful and<br />elevates the heart, the mind, and the human spirit. When people recognize<br />beauty, they experience joy, pleasure, and perfect delight pleasure; they exalt<br />the creator of the beauty. They are encouraged to mimic the First Artist by<br />creating beautiful music, poetry, dance and rhythm, cloth, paintings and<br />lyrics.</span><br /><a href="http://disciplenations.wordpress.com/2009/04/30/the-universe-is-ultimately-beautiful/">http://disciplenations.wordpress.com/2009/04/30/the-universe-is-ultimately-beautiful/</a><br /></p></blockquote><br /><strong></strong><br /><strong>Random note # 2:</strong><br />I spoke today with the leadership of the Phoenix chapter of the International Arts Movement (IAM) <a href="http://www.internationalartsmovement.org/">http://www.internationalartsmovement.org/</a>, Chad and Nate.<br /><br />Although IAM is not explicitly a Christian organization, all the leadership (both locally and at headquarters in NYC) profess a clear faith in Jesus Christ. [For any who have been a part of The Truth Project <a href="http://www.thetruthproject.org/">http://www.thetruthproject.org/</a>, you might recall the Japanese artist in Tour #11, Makoto Fujimura. <a href="http://www.makotofujimura.com/">http://www.makotofujimura.com/</a> . He's the founder of IAM.]<br /><br />IAM's mission: "IAM gathers artists and creative catalysts to wrestle with the deep questions of art, faith and humanity in order to inspire the creative community to engage the culture that is and create the world that ought to be."<br /><br /><strong>Art, Faith, and Humanity. . .to engage the culture. . . sounds like something we in the church should be doing, eh?</strong><br /><br />I look forward to seeing how ACWI and IAM might partner in the future.<br /><br /><strong>Random</strong> <strong>note # 3<br /></strong>Just discovered this organization; looks intriguing:<br /><a href="http://www.byfor.org/">http://www.byfor.org/</a> - <em>By/For</em> encourages artists to create sacred worship art by the church, for the church. As they say, "Patronage of the arts is an ancient idea, and <em>By/For</em> thinks it can be a modern one too. Churches can support artists in their communities and reclaim their historic role as patrons of the arts."<br /><br />There's definitely a place for Christian artists to interact beyond the Christian subculture, but at the same time, the church needs better art, too (don't get me started on my rant!)<div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7898701313543890712-6345693659073437493?l=conversation.acwi-online.org'/></div>Coffee Snobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00620074728854238145noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898701313543890712.post-54244983218045534752009-06-18T00:00:00.000-07:002009-06-17T21:32:49.169-07:00The Myth of InnocenceI was really tempted to write about how Karma has no place in the Christian's worldview. You read correctly, I am saying that appealing to Karma in any serious sense is inconsistent with the Christian worldview. Instead I decided to continue with the "Ten Questions All Theist Should Answer." We are now on question three. I once again ask that those still under their parents get permission before watching the video due to the negative stance the video has toward the faith. Here is the link <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKaJuoCrozc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKaJuoCrozc</a>.<br /><br /><br /><br /><div align="center">Why does God demand the death of so many innocent people in the Bible?</div><br /><div align="center"></div><br /><div align="left">He <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">doesn't</span>. If you have not heard the debate between Paul <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">Manata</span> and Dan Barker I highly recommend you listen to it (Google it and you can find it for free on mp3). During the cross examination portion of the debate Paul asks Dan (I am paraphrasing from memory) "Dan, according to the Christian worldview are people innocent or are they sinners?" to which Mr. Barker responded (still paraphrasing from memory) "according to the Christian view, they are sinners." The Christian worldview is well <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2">equipped</span> for this question because Christians understand that the Bible teaches that all people are <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3">breakers</span> of God's law. Therefore, God does not command the death of innocent people, God commands the death of rebels in his kingdom. Once again, it is the atheistic worldview that is <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_4">inconsistent</span> because it cannot give an account for why the deaths of these people (under any circumstance) should be offensive. If I find out that the woman I am going to marry has slept with another man, why should I not kill her to make absolutely sure that his gene pool does not spread more than mine? If Dan Barker can arbitrarily assert that <em>not doing harm</em> (as stated in his debates with <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_5">Manata</span>, Wilson, and White) is what constitutes morality, then why cannot I arbitrarily choose killing women who sleep with someone before they get married as being the basis for morality? Who is to be the judge between us, and on what grounds? Any grounds the atheist gives outside of a creator is by nature subjective. As creator, God has the right to command <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_6">obedience</span> from all of his creatures. The reason this is a <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_7">reoccurring</span> theme in my answer to this you tube video is that it is a <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_8">reoccurring</span> weakness in each of the video's questions. The atheist cannot consistently use morality as an argument because he has no objective basis for morality. The atheist cannot use logic consistently because he maintains that man's thinking is the result of physical electrical reactions. Why should the Christian's physical electrical reactions be inferior to the atheist's physical electrical reactions? How does pure <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_9">physical</span> electrical reaction give us truth in the first place? The atheist's worldview is doomed to futility because without the existence of God there is no morality and there is no reason to believe that our minds operate <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_10">logically</span>. </div><div align="left"></div><div align="left">The atheist has no grounds for calling what God commands evil, still lets think about these Bible passages. The atheist cannot say that God is commanding the death of innocent people because everyone who would have been put to death in these <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_11">categories</span> i.e. disobedient teens, people who work on Saturday (<span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_12">Sabbath</span>), homosexuals, and sexually <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_13">promiscuous</span> women, are all law breakers. Therefore, the atheist can only say that he disagrees with the laws, and I think that the creator has a little more credibility in law making than the creature. However, I digress. It might be helpful to consider that these laws were given under a theocracy (a government directly ruled by God), and this theocracy was established among God's chosen people who were to in part be a shadow of the perfection that would come in Christ and his kingdom (the final establishment of the kingdom still to come). Today, Christians do not (or at least should not) expect to live in a theocracy <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_14">until</span> Christ returns. So no <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_15">Biblicaly</span> oriented Christian should argue that these Old Testament theocratic laws should be the law of the land today (although it is still a moral wrong for children to disobey, women to be sexually <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_16">promiscuous</span>, or to actively live a homosexual lifestyle). However, all of those things were violations against God's law for His people at that time. Why should the creator not command death where he sees fit for violation of His laws? There are some other things that I would like to mention about these passages. First of all, if one reads the <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_17">Deut</span> 21:18-21 passage carefully he will see that the parents could not just decide willy <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_18">nilly</span> that their child needed to die. The case needed to be presented before the elders of the city. Furthermore, all the men of the city were to participate. Deuteronomy is not talking about the little kid who mouthed off to his parents or did not help the father in the field and needed to be corrected by his parents. Deuteronomy is talking about youth who <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_19">regularly</span> participated in grievous sins against the parents and the community. As far as killing homosexuals and women who have sex before marriage, imagine all of the <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_20">STDs</span> that have come as a result of sexual immorality. Can anyone reading this imagine a world without AIDS? yet could AIDS have arisen if there was never a violation of God's sexual laws? Sexual impurity is a serious crime against God and against mankind. I think one of the reasons this kind of attack against <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_21">Christianity</span> is becoming more popular is that to many Christians do not seriously contemplate God's law and His Holiness. I think that in large part that it is Christians who have been content with surface level understandings of the Bible that would not challenge the mind of a kn<span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_22">at</span> who have <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_23">opened</span> the door for these kinds of attacks. Come men and women of Christ, let us not neglect a robust Biblical worldview. </div><div align="left"></div><div align="left">This is a Great <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_24">Hymn</span> </div><div align="left"><br />How firm a foundation, ye saints of the Lord, Is laid for your faith in His excellent word!What more can He say than to you He hath said—To you who for refuge to Jesus have fled?<br />“Fear not, I am with thee, oh, be not dismayed, For I am thy God, and will still give thee aid;I’ll strengthen thee, help thee, and cause thee to stand,Upheld by My gracious, omnipotent hand.<br />“When through the deep waters I call thee to go, The rivers of sorrow shall not overflow;For I will be with thee thy trouble to bless,And sanctify to thee thy deepest distress.<br />“When through fiery trials thy pathway shall lie, My grace, all-sufficient, shall be thy supply;The flame shall not harm thee; I only <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_25">design Thy</span> dross to consume and thy gold to refine.<br />“The soul that on Jesus doth lean for repose, I will not, I will not, desert to his foes;That soul, though all hell should endeavor to shake, I’ll never, no never, no never forsake.”</div><div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7898701313543890712-5424498321804553475?l=conversation.acwi-online.org'/></div>Baird boyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/122101311039673889595solas@bairdweb.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898701313543890712.post-1594323690949142262009-06-16T20:39:00.008-07:002009-06-16T21:30:30.237-07:00Eye of the Beholder? Not Really.<span style="font-family:georgia;"><blockquote><span style="font-family:georgia;">One of the greatest things I have come to embrace and appreciate about my upbringing was the emphasis on the world of the arts. My mother would arrange field trips to the symphony, ballet, theater, and art gallery openings. I remember walking through these great places with my little jaw on the ground as I would be in awe of the creativity and beauty that was around me. However, when it came to seeing what was considered modern art, my jaw would continue to be on the ground but it would be out of frustration and not awe. It seems like these two different jaw dropping experiences seem to be people's reaction to art created these days, either people love the skill and out of the box approach the artist took, or indignation is present because of their prejudices of what art is to look like.</span><br /><a href="http://cultured3.blogspot.com/2009/06/modern-art-struggle-between-love-and.html"><span style="font-family:georgia;">http://cultured3.blogspot.com/2009/06/modern-art-struggle-between-love-and.html</span></a><br /></blockquote></span><br />Yes - love or hate. . . perhaps indicative of the ever-present question: "Is beauty REALLY in the eye of the beholder?" After all, Paul tells us in Philippians to think on things that are "honest, pure, LOVELY" etc. So what are we supposed to think about?<br /><br />God Himself recognizes beauty; at the creation, He identified His handiwork as "good." Most people claim that they see something in nature as beautiful, whether a sunset, or the Grand Canyon, or the surf crashing against the rocks. They are expressing some of what God also expressed.<br /><br />If beauty is a Biblical concept, then how do we recognize it? What does its opposite look like? And since beauty is Biblical, isn't it reasonable to say that non-beauty (ugliness) is unbiblical - or perhaps even anti-biblical?<br /><br />And so, all that to say that there ARE standards of beauty; some modern art is beautiful and some - well, some is just plain ugly. . . (and some probably doesn't even qualify as art). Some art is Biblical (even if it doesn't portray a Bible scene); some is thoroughly anti-Biblical in the ideas, messages, and thoughts it presents.<br /><br />The trick is digging deeper to find out just WHAT those standards are. And then think on those things. One clue that helps me: does a specific piece of art draw me to the Great Creator/Artist? Does it encourage me to think on Him in some way - even if it's just to say "That's a beautiful painting; thank you, Lord."<br /><br />Back to either loving or hating modern art. . . Many issues are involved, including education in the arts. Too many of us never have really been properly educated about art (modern or otherwise), with all its subtleties. And with continuing budget cuts to the arts programs in the schools, I don't expect the situation to get much better anytime soon. (I'll list some recommended resources in a separate blog.)<br /><br />Many who hate it probably do so from the viewpoint of "I know what I like." We should all have opinions and preferences. But just because you don't like a certain artist, or style, or era doesn't mean that it's bad art or "just not art at all." You're entitled to your opinion - but try to keep an open mind about artistic ability - even if a certain piece isn't your personal preference.<br /><br />Many who love it probably do so without discernment, without believing that there ARE objective standards of good &amp; bad, beauty &amp; ugliness, just like there are objective standards of right &amp; wrong. Too many believe the lie that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. We live in a subjective world, where everyone's opinion is equally right - even if its wrong.<br /><br />More on art, beauty, and aesthetics in a later post.<div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7898701313543890712-159432369094914226?l=conversation.acwi-online.org'/></div>Coffee Snobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00620074728854238145noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898701313543890712.post-6497882455764883692009-06-14T15:37:00.001-07:002009-06-14T15:39:23.284-07:00We Live By PrayerDave and Karen Eubanks (Free Burma Rangers) serve the Lord with a ministry to the multi-ethnic minorities in the mountains of Burma (The country of Myanmar). The peoples that receive their ministry are of the most persecuted in the world, have under gone civil war since 1949 and contain many Christians. The tyrannical government regime burns out the villages and murders these ethnic Burmese. Dave and Karen provide help by entering the areas under attack giving emergency medical care, shelter, food, clothing and love.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.freeburmarangers.org/">http://www.freeburmarangers.org/</a><br /><br />This morning as I listened to Dave and Karen and their girls, I was impressed by two statement concerning prayer.<br /> <br />1. “We live by prayer.”<br /><br />2. (Paraphrased) the people to whom we give ministry, when they pray, do not pray to live. When they pray their prayer is, “Jesus, what do you want me to do today?” Dave remarked that his prayer direction is the same.<br /><br />I find these two views of prayer awesome. They are profound and I will give them a great deal of thought.<br /><br />(Matthew 6:9-13 WNT) "In this manner therefore pray: 'Our Father who art in Heaven, may Thy name be kept holy; let Thy kingdom come; let Thy will be done, as in Heaven so on earth; give us to-day our bread for the day; and forgive us our shortcomings, as we also have forgiven those who have failed in their duty towards us; and bring us not into temptation, but rescue us from the Evil one.'<br /><br /><br />Eutychus<div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7898701313543890712-649788245576488369?l=conversation.acwi-online.org'/></div>Eutychushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02189956154099856779noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898701313543890712.post-83902092378347741362009-06-07T17:27:00.001-07:002009-06-07T17:30:28.009-07:00Who do we mourn?A CHRISTIAN’S RESPONSE TO DR. TILLER’S MURDER<br />By Dinah Monahan<br /><br /><br />George Tiller is dead. Who do we mourn? How do we mourn? For those who are Pro-Life, how can we mourn the life of a man who made his livelihood from killing third trimester babies – over 60,000 of them in his career? Who mourns the babies he killed? He specialized in the most gruesome form of abortion where the baby is partially born, flailing and kicking, and then killed. No anesthesia…no mercy. These are the facts. The tragic circumstances of his death do not change the horrific circumstances of his life.<br /><br />But, does this mean Pro-Lifers see his murder as justifiable? Soon after it happened we were being vilified; painted with a broad brush coloring all of us guilty! The truth is, to say his murder is justifiable is to deny everything Pro-Life stands for. As Christians (and most Pro-Lifers are Christians which is WHY we are Pro-Life) we believe that anyone can be forgiven and restored to God. To take justice in our own hands and execute another human being is not our right. In the Bible, that right is only given to the state. In fact, scripturally, our command is to “love our enemies” and “pray for those who persecute you.” <br /><br />A few years ago I heard Dr. Tony Levatino speak about how he performed abortions in his practice. He told of one woman who consistently prayed for him and reached out to him, not justifying his actions or denying his sin, but with an overarching concern for his soul. Years later, after the tragic death of his precious daughter, Dr. Levatino’s heart thawed. He “saw” for the first time that his grief over his own child’s death was a mockery of the children he had aborted for whom no one grieved. He now speaks all over the country on behalf of the unborn. He is forgiven and restored to his Creator. Many of you know the story of John Newton, the author of the beloved song, Amazing Grace. He was the captain of a slave ship, where thousands perished and those who survived wished they had not. He too, like Dr. Levatino, was once blind but then he came to see. What if someone had killed Dr. Levatino or John Newton before they came to know Christ’s forgiveness? It simply is not our right. If we really believe that ALL life is sacred…that includes abortionists and slave ship owners. <br /><br />These aren’t just words for me. Years ago, my actions probably saved more than one abortionist’s life. I had received a call and then letters from a man who was talking about bombing abortion clinics. I decided I could not risk ignoring his threats assuming he was just a “nut”. I called the FBI and they came for the letters. The next week, they arrested the man, who had a garage full of explosives and written plans to carry out his threats the next day. He is still in jail. Ironically, the abortionists he targeted for death have no idea that they are alive today because a Pro-Lifer believed that ALL life is sacred – even theirs!<br /><br />The blaming will go on and the damage to the Pro-Life cause because of this murder remains to be seen. But, when the rhetoric settles down, it doesn’t change truth…abortion kills innocent, unborn babies. And Pro-Lifers are the only voice those babies will ever have! We won’t be silenced.<br /><br />ACWI thanks Dinah Monahan for the use of her article.<br /><br />ABOUT THE AUTHOR: Dinah Monahan is founder and Executive Director of Women's Choice Pregnancy Clinic and Hope House Maternity Home in Show Low, Arizona. For an informational packet on "Earn While You Learn," call Heritage House '76 at 1-800-858-3040 or e-mail your request to <a href="mailto:heritage@hh76.com">heritage@hh76.com</a>. Dinah can be contacted at <a href="mailto:dinah@cybertrails.com">dinah@cybertrails.com</a>.<br /><br />Eutychus<div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7898701313543890712-8390209237834774136?l=conversation.acwi-online.org'/></div>Eutychushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02189956154099856779noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898701313543890712.post-79629176865537128652009-05-31T20:01:00.005-07:002009-05-31T20:36:18.604-07:00Jesus Christ the Son of God Part 2<strong>Jesus Christ the Son of God - Theodore Beza (1519-1605) Part 2</strong><br /><strong></strong><br /><strong>Why it was necessary that Jesus Christ be true God</strong><br /><br />It was necessary that this same Mediator be true God and not only man (John 1:14, etc); at the very least for the following reasons:<br /><strong></strong><br /><strong>Firstly,</strong> if He was not true God, He would not be Savior at all, but would himself have need of a Savior (Is 43:11; Hos. 13:4; Jer. 17:5-8).<br /><strong>Secondly</strong>, it is necessary, from the justice of God, that there be a relationship between the crime and its punishment. The crime is infinite, for it is committed against One whose majesty is infinite. Therefore there is here need of an infinite satisfaction; for the same reason, it was necessary that the One who would accomplish it as true man be also infinite, that is to say, true God.<br /><strong>Thirdly</strong>, the wrath of God being infinite, there was no human or angelic strength known which could bear such a weight without being crushed (John 14:10, 12, 31; 16:32; 2 Cor. 5:19). He who was to live again, after having conquered the devil, sin, the world and death united to the wrath of God, had to be therefore not only perfect man, but also true God. Lastly, in order to better manifest this incomprehensible goodness, God did not wish that His grace should only equal our crime; He willed that where sin abounds, grace super abounds (Rom 5:15-21). For this reason, while he was created in the image of God, the first Adam, author of our sin, was earthly, as his 'frailty showed well (1 Cor. 15:45-47). Jesus Christ, on the contrary, the second Adam, through whom we are saved, while being true and perfect man, is nevertheless the Lord come from Heaven, that is to say, the true God. For, in essence, all the fullness of divinity dwells in Him (Col. 2:9). If the disobedience of Adam made us fall, the righteousness of Jesus Christ gives us more security than we had previously. We hope for life procured by Jesus Christ, better than that which we lost in Adam; even more so as Jesus Christ surpasses Adam.<br /><br /><strong>How the mystery of our salvation has been accomplished in Jesus Christ</strong><br /><br />Therefore we confess that, in order to fulfill the covenant promised to the ancient fathers and predicted by the mouth of the prophets (Is 7:14; Luke 1:31,35,55,70) the true, unique and eternal Son of God the Father (Rom 1:3; John 17:5; 16:28; Phil 2:6-7) took, at the time appointed by the Father, the form of a servant. Being conceived in the womb of the blessed virgin Mary, by the power of the Holy Spirit, and without any operation of man (Matt 1:20; Luke 1:28, 35), He took human nature with all its infirmities, sin excepted (Heb. 4:15; 5:2). 3.22 The two natures, that of God and that of man, have been united in one Person since the moment of the conception of the flesh of Christ<br />We confess that, from the moment of this conception, the Person of the Son has been inseparably united to the human nature (Matt 1:20; Luke 1:31,32,35,42,43). There are not two Sons of God, or two Jesus Christs: but One alone is properly Son of God, Jesus Christ. At all times the properties of each of the two natures remain entire and distinct. For the divinity separated from the humanity, or the humanity disjoined from the divinity, or the one being confounded with the other, would profit us nothing.<br />Jesus Christ is therefore true God and true man (Matt 1:21-23, Luke 1:35). He has a true human soul, and a true human body formed from the substance of the virgin Mary, and by the power of the Holy Spirit. By this means, he was conceived and born of this virgin Mary, virgin, I say, before and after the birth. And all this was accomplished for our redemption.<br /><br /><strong>Summary of the accomplishment of our salvation in Jesus Christ</strong><br /><br />He therefore descended to earth to draw us up to Heaven. (Eph. 2:6). From the moment of His conception until His resurrection, He bore the punishment of our sins in order to unburden us of them (Matt 11:28; 1 Pet 2:24; 3:18; Is 53:11). He perfectly fulfilled all righteousness so as to cover our unrighteousness (Rom 5:19; Matt 3:15). He has revealed to us the whole will of God His Father, by His words and by the example of His life, so as to show us the true way of salvation (John 15:15; Acts 1:1-2).<br /><br />Finally, to crown the satisfaction for our sins, which He took upon Himself (Is 53:4-5), He was captured in order to release us, condemned so that we might be acquitted. He suffered infinite reproach in order to place us beyond all shame. He was nailed to the cross for our sins to be nailed there (Col. 2:14). He died bearing the curse, which we deserved, so as to appease forever the wrath of God through the accomplishment of His unique sacrifice (Gal 3:13; 2 Cor. 5:21; Heb 10:10,14). He was entombed to show the truth of His death, and to vanquish death even in its own house, that is to say even in the grave; He experienced no corruption there, to show that, even while dead, he had conquered death (Acts 2:31). He was raised again victorious so that, all our corruption being dead and buried, we might be renewed in new, spiritual and eternal life (Rom 6; and nearly everywhere in St. Paul). By this means, the first death is no longer to us a punishment for sin and an entrance into the second death, but, on the contrary, is the ending of our corruption and an entrance into life eternal. Lastly, being raised again and then having spoken throughout forty days here below to give evidence of His resurrection (Acts 1:3,9-11), He ascended visibly and really far above all heavens, where He sat down at the right hand of God His Father (John 14:2). Having taken possession for us of His eternal kingdom, He is, for us also, the sole Mediator and Advocate (1 Tim 2:5; Heb 1:3; 9:24), and governs His Church by His Holy Spirit, until the number of the elect of God, His Father, is completed (Matt 28:20, etc). How Jesus Christ, having withdrawn into heaven, is nevertheless here below with His own We understand that glorification brought immortality to the body of Jesus Christ, besides sovereign glory; but this did by no means change the nature of His true body, a body confined to one certain space and having bounds (Luke 24:39; John 20:25; Acts 1:3). For this reason, He took away into Heaven, from our midst, His human nature, His true body (Acts 1:9-11; 3:21). There He shall remain until He comes to judge the living and the dead. But, with regard to the efficacy of His Holy Spirit, as to His Divinity, (by which we are made partakers not only of half of Christ, but of all of Him and all His goods, as will be said soon), we acknowledge that He is and shall be with His own until the end of the world (Matt 28:20; John 16:13; Eph. 4:8). This is what Jesus Christ said regarding Himself-, "The poor you will have always with you, but Me you will not have always." (Matt 26:11); again, after His Ascension, the angels say to the Apostles: "Jesus who was taken up from you into heaven shall so come as you saw Him go away into Heaven." (Acts 1:11). And St Peter says to the Jews that Heaven must hold Him until the time of the restoration of all things. (Acts 3:21). For the same reason, St Augustine, following Scripture, has well said that it is necessary to guard oneself from stressing the Divinity to the point of coming to deny the truth of the body; the body is in God, but it is not necessary to draw the conclusion that it is everywhere, as God is everywhere. There can be no other true religion In this mystery of our redemption, incomprehensible to human reason, God has revealed Himself as true God, that is to say, perfectly just and perfectly merciful. Perfectly just, firstly, for He has punished all our sins with full severity (Rom 3:25; 2 Cor. 5:21), in the Person of Him who made Himself surety and security in our place, that is to say, in Jesus Christ (1 Tim 2:6; 1 Pet 2:24). In the next place, He receives us and acknowledges us as His if we are covered and clothed with the innocence, sanctification and perfect righteousness of Jesus Christ (2 Cor. 5:21; Rom 5:19; Col 2:14). On the other side, He has revealed Himself as perfectly merciful, for, finding in us only ground for damnation, He willed that His Son take our nature in order to find in Him the remedy which would appease His justice (Rom 5:8; 1 Cor. 1:30). Freely communicating Him to us, with all the treasures which He possesses (Rom 8:32); He makes us partakers of eternal life, solely by His goodness and mercy, on condition that we take hold of Jesus Christ by faith; which we will develop a little later. But, on the contrary, any religion, which opposes to the wrath of God anything other than the sole innocence, righteousness and satisfaction of Jesus Christ, received by faith, strips God of His perfect justice and His mercy. <br /><br />Eutychus<div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7898701313543890712-7962917686553712865?l=conversation.acwi-online.org'/></div>Eutychushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02189956154099856779noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898701313543890712.post-85713001564290554272009-05-26T09:46:00.019-07:002009-06-24T17:14:06.500-07:00Pros and Cons of Facebook<strong>ACWI is finally on Facebook! </strong><a href="http://www.facebook.com/pages/Phoenix-AZ/Arizona-Christian-Worldview-Institute/76635109409?ref=mf#/pages/Phoenix-AZ/Arizona-Christian-Worldview-Institute/76635109409"><strong><img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5340179753651475522" style="margin: 0px 0px 10px 10px; float: right; width: 148px; height: 126px;" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_5darsZxkfag/ShwhMUUhFEI/AAAAAAAAAtA/gidhNjmMhTM/s320/Facebook_F.JPG" border="0" /></strong></a><br /><br />If you’re on Facebook, please become a fan!<br />Our page is <a href="http://www.facebook.com/pages/Phoenix-AZ/Arizona-Christian-Worldview-Institute/76635109409?ref=mf#/pages/Phoenix-AZ/Arizona-Christian-Worldview-Institute/76635109409">here</a> – or just search for the full name (not the abbreviation).<br /><br />And now that I've joined the other 98% of the English speaking world, I've been thinking some about online relationships – virtual relationships. What’s the same? What’s different?<br /><br />I avoided Facebook for a long time – for a few reasons. Primarily because I was already signed up on <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/azchristianworldviewinstitute">LinkedIn.com</a>, which is designed primarily for business networking. . . building relationships and networks among those in similar industries and careers. . . it’s not so much about simply making friends and building friendships. . . I already receive several emails a week from the different groups I’m a part of on LinkedIn; I didn’t really want more emails. And of course, Facebook would simply be another thing to take up my time and keep me from being productive. And of course, it would mean another website login and password to have to remember.<br /><br /><br />But I realized a few things: businesses – <em>and ministries</em> – need to go where the people are if they expect to connect with them.<br /><br /><br />Businesses have to market themselves, they have to advertise and let the people know what a great business they are &amp; what great products they have. In the same way, ministries have to go where the people are; we have to market ourselves. Likewise, we in the church can’t stay where we’ve always been, perfectly safe &amp; comfortable in our own little evangelical corner of the world, and expect the people to come to us. <strong>In today’s world, where are the people? They’re on Facebook!</strong><br /><br />Here are some statistics from a Facebook press release:<br /><ul><li>Facebook has more than 200 million active users </li><br /><li>More than 100 million users log on to Facebook at least once each day </li><br /><li>More than two-thirds of Facebook users are outside of college </li><br /><li>The fastest growing demographic is those 35 years old and older </li><br /><li>More than 3.5 billion minutes are spent on Facebook each day (worldwide) </li><br /><li>More than 4 million users become fans of Pages each day </li></ul><br />Now for a few of the pros and cons:<br /><br /><strong>PROS OF FACEBOOK:</strong><br /><ul><li>We are able to communicate quickly &amp; easily with friends, family, and classmates all over the world – or across town. This makes it an efficient and quick way to spread information, to get the word out about an event or a disaster, etc.<br /><br />The irony is that none of my side of the family is on Facebook – and they’re the ones who are spread across the country. But my sister-in-law, who lives 10 minutes away, is on Facebook and I’ve chatted online w/ her a couple of times already. . . even though I just saw her family and spent about 7 hrs. w/ them 2 days before setting up my Facebook account, and I ran into my brother-in-law and nephew at KFC on Memorial Day and we chatted for a few minutes!<br /><br /></li><li>We are able to build networks of friends and the friends of friends. This is great for ministries or organizations like ACWI. Already we have several people listed a “fans” of ACWI that aren’t connected in any other way – not on our mailing list, etc. We even have one or two fans that I don’t even know! This is the main reason we created a page on Facebook. . . so we could expand our reach. . . it’s part of our marketing – for lack of a better word. </li><br /><li>The Facebook platform is smart! It recognizes relationships and makes recommendations. For example, let’s say I have a Facebook “friend” named Bob and another named Susie and they both know each other. They have a mutual friend named Bill. Because I know Bob and Susie, the Facebook engine – or platform – recognizes the web of relationships and recommends that maybe I’d like to invite Bill to be one of my online friends too. </li><br /><li>And not only is it smart, it is able to learn. The more friends you have, the more complex the web of relationships. . .and the more accurate the recommendations become.<br />For example: My wife’s first (auto-generated) friend recommendations were from high school &amp; college. It was a huge list, and mostly inaccurate; most were people she didn’t know. But as she built her list of friends from church and family, Facebook recognized that she &amp; I have lots of mutual friends, so began to recommend <em>them</em> to her. As a result, the list of recommendations became smaller – and much more accurate. </li></ul><p><strong>CONS OF FACEBOOK:</strong> </p><ul><li>Because you’re able to communicate quickly &amp; easily with friends, family, and classmates all over the world – or across town. . .and because it’s an efficient and quick way to spread information, to get the word out, there’s the potential for false information – like myths and urban legends - or worse, slander or gossip - to spread more quickly. </li><br /><li>Definitions are changed. There’s only one type of relationship on Facebook – “Friend.” There’s no way of defining or classifying your relationships, of clarifying the level of intimacy. How close are you to one person? Is it the same as all 127 of your other online friends? I doubt it.<br /><br />For example: My wife is identified as one of my “friends” on Facebook. Yes, we are friends in real life, but our relationship is VASTLY different from my relationship with, say, a casual acquaintance from church, or even a friend of a friend whom I have accepted as a Facebook “friend” – but that I’ve never met, never had a conversation with. . . someone that I don’t know at all in real life.<br /><br />And remember: just because you’re virtual friends w/ someone on Facebook doesn’t mean you’re really all that close to them in real life. Already I’ve seen people assume too much of our relationship on Facebook, of having higher expectations of our relationship now that we’re “friends” in the virtual world. Some have become more demanding, more pushy, on Facebook than they ever are in real life. </li><br /><li>The only other type of connection or relationship you can have on Facebook is to be a “fan” of some organization, or business, or celebrity. (Again, if you’re on Facebook, you can become a fan of ACWI <a href="http://www.facebook.com/pages/Phoenix-AZ/Arizona-Christian-Worldview-Institute/76635109409?ref=mf#/pages/Phoenix-AZ/Arizona-Christian-Worldview-Institute/76635109409">here</a>.) </li></ul><p>Already I’ve seen that there are at least 2 types of Facebook users: </p><ul><li>First, there are those who use it to build relationships. These could be individuals who want to connect w/ friends &amp; family, or even a business who uses their page on Facebook to market the company, connect w/ customers, announce new releases or special events, etc. They use Facebook to spread their name and their brand. For these folks, Facebook is a <strong>tool</strong> used toward a greater end; it’s not an end in and of itself.</li><br /><li>The second group is those who use it to waste time. . . to play games, to share “applications,” to give each other virtual “gifts,” etc. For these folks, Facebook is a <strong>toy</strong> to be played with.<br /><br />I’ve been on Facebook about a week now, and already I’ve received 2 invitations to “join my gang” or “join my mafia” and at least 6 or 7 opportunities to install “applications” so I can play cool games with my “friends” or compete in an IQ Quiz - to see whose IQ is higher. (Do these sorts of friendly competitions lead to better and deeper relationships, or build up one's own self esteem at the expense of another's?)</li></ul><p>Now my recommendation for ALL Facebook users: Let me first say that I’m not opposed to game playing; we all need to relax, have some fun, and blow off some steam after a hard day at work. . . but before sharing an “application” or inviting someone into your “gang” – find out what they want to get out of Facebook! Which type of person are they? The relationship-builder type or the game-player, time-waster type? Is Facebook for them a <em>tool</em>, or a <em>toy</em>? </p><strong>EXAMPLES OF HOW FACEBOOK CAN BE A MINISTRY TOOL:</strong><br /><ul><li>It can be a tool to help announce &amp; promote a ministry's news, special events, etc.<br /><br />ACWI is holding its first-ever fundraiser event: <a href="http://cupajoeacwi.eventbrite.com/"><strong><span style="color: rgb(51, 51, 255);">Cup-a-Joe: A Coffee-Tasting Event Benefiting ACWI</span></strong> </a>on June 12 at 7:00 PM.<br /><br />I mentioned the event during last week’s broadcast of <span style="font-style: italic;">Every Square Inch</span> – and got no response.<br /><br />This past week I created the event in our online event calendar on Facebook. I sent a message to all the fans of ACWI who live in Arizona - about 25 at that time and growing every day! - to help spread the word. Within 24 hours, two said they might be attending.<br /><br /></li><li>It can be a tool to introduce new friends, supporters, donors, etc. to the ministry.<br /><br />One Facebook fan of ACWI has posted a copy of our logo on his profile with the simple phrase: “Become a fan!” So far, one of his friends – a total stranger to us before now – has become a “fan of ACWI.”<br /><br />Another individual who's new to us (Eddie) became a fan simply because another fan (Tom from Tucson) had signed up as a fan. Eddie saw our name in Tom's profile and followed the link. It's as simple as that!</li></ul><p><span style=";font-family:georgia;font-size:85%;" >Some of these ideas began as I ruminated on Justin Buzzard's blog post, "Thinking Biblically About Facebook." The original blog post is at </span><a href="http://www.buzzardblog.com/buzzard_blog/2008/11/thinking-biblic.html"><span style=";font-family:georgia;font-size:85%;" >http://www.buzzardblog.com/buzzard_blog/2008/11/thinking-biblic.html</span></a><span style=";font-family:georgia;font-size:85%;" > .<br />Buzzard later wrote an extended version as an essay; you can read it at </span><a href="http://www.gospelandculture.org/2008/12/redeeming-social-life-online/"><span style=";font-family:georgia;font-size:85%;" >http://www.gospelandculture.org/2008/12/redeeming-social-life-online/</span></a> </p><img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5340182334200845330" style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; width: 320px; height: 106px; text-align: center;" alt="" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_5darsZxkfag/ShwjihnblBI/AAAAAAAAAtI/MDac2Vw04DA/s320/Facebook_Banner.jpg" border="0" /><div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7898701313543890712-8571300156429055427?l=conversation.acwi-online.org'/></div>Coffee Snobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00620074728854238145noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898701313543890712.post-47592935977778373502009-05-24T14:37:00.003-07:002009-05-24T14:45:52.541-07:00Jesus Christ the Son of God<div align="left"><strong>Jesus Christ the Son of God</strong> - </div><div align="left">Theodore Beza (1519-1605)The following article by Theodore Beza was taken from chapter three (sections 16-26) of his book The Christian Faith, translated into English by James Clark (Focus Christian Ministries Trust, East Essex England, 1992). This book was a "best seller" during the Protestant Reformation, and appeared in 1558 under the original title of Confession De Foi Du Chretien. </div><br /><strong>How God has turned the sin of man to His glory</strong><br /><br /> There would remain nothing more for the whole world, except to go to its ruin (Rom 3:19). But God, being not only very righteous, but also very merciful, had according to His infinite wisdom, eternally established a way to turn all the evils to His great glory: to the greater manifestation of His infinite goodness (Rom 3:21-25), towards those whom He has chosen eternally so as to be glorified in their salvation (Rom 8:29; 9:23). And, on the other side, He has turned the sin of man to the manifestation of His sovereign power and His wrath, by the just condemnation of the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction (Rom 9:22; Ex. 9: 6).<br /><br />As St. Augustine well says;<br />"If all were saved, the wages of sin demanded by justice would be hidden. If none were saved, no-one would see what grace bestows."<br /><br />Jesus Christ is the sole Mediator chosen and promised by God This sole and unique way is the mystery of the Incarnation of the Son of God with all which flows from it. Bit by bit this was promised from Adam to John the Baptist, published and preached by the patriarchs and the prophets, and also typified in various ways under the Law (Gen 3:15; 12:3; 18:18; 22:18; Deut. 18:15-18; 2 Sam 7:12; Rom 1:2-3 etc.) Thus, the Son is fully contained in the books of the Old Testament, so that the men of those times were saved by faith in Jesus Christ who was to come. The similarity and the difference between the Old and the New Testament Therefore there has never been and there never shall be but one covenant of salvation between God and men (Heb. 13:8; Rom 3:25; 1 Tim 2:5-6; 1 Cor. 10:1-11; Eph. 1:7-10; see the whole Epistle to the Hebrews). The substance of this covenant is Jesus Christ. But, having regard to the circumstances, there are two Testaments or 'Covenants'. We have the authentic titles and contents of them; which we call 'Holy Scripture' and the 'Word of God'. One is called 'Old' and the other 'New' (Jer. 31:31,32; Heb 8:6). The second is much better than the first, for the first did declare Jesus Christ, but from afar off, and hidden under the shadows and images which vanished at His coming; He Himself is the Sun of Righteousness (John 4:23,24).<br /><br /><span></span><strong>Why it was necessary that Jesus Christ be true man in nature, in His body and in His soul, but without any sin</strong><br /><br />It was necessary that the Mediator of this covenant and this reconciliation be true man, but without any stain of original sin or any other, for the following reasons:<br /><br /><strong>Firstly,</strong> since God is very righteous and man is the object of His wrath, because of natural corruption (1 Tim 2:5; John 1:14; Rom 1:3; Gal 4:4; Rom 8:2-4; 1 Cor. 1:30), it was necessary in order to reconcile men with God, that there be a true man in whom the ruins caused by this corruption would be totally repaired.<br /><strong>Secondly</strong>, man is compelled to fulfill all the righteousness, which God demands from him in order to be glorified (Matt 3:15; Rom 5:18; 2 Cor. 5:21). It was therefore necessary that there be a man who would perfectly fulfill all righteousness in order to please God.<br /><strong>Thirdly,</strong> all men are covered with an infinite number of sins, as much internal as external; that is why they are liable to the curse of God (Rom 3:23-26; Is 53: 11, etc). It was therefore necessary that there be a man who would fully satisfy the justice of God in order to pacify Him.<br /><span></span><span></span><strong>Finally</strong>, no corrupt man would have been able, in any way, to even begin to fulfill the least of these actions. He would first of all have had need of a Redeemer for himself (Rom 8:2; 2 Cor. 5:21; Heb 4:15; 1 Pet 2:22; 3:18; 1 John 2:1-2). So much was necessary for himself before he could buy back the others, or could do anything pleasing or satisfying to God (Rom 14:23; Heb 11:6). It was therefore necessary that the Mediator and Redeemer of men be true man in his body and in his soul, and that he be, nevertheless, entirely pure and free from all sin.<br /><br />To be continued.<br /><br />Eutychus<div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7898701313543890712-4759293597777837350?l=conversation.acwi-online.org'/></div>Eutychushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02189956154099856779noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898701313543890712.post-42019716038662463202009-05-21T00:44:00.004-07:002009-05-21T00:59:33.123-07:00Biblical ChristianityI wrote an e-mail to Andrew <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">Tallman</span> after I called into his show Monday May 18 and he chastised (I do not really mean that in a bad way) me due to the way I started my comment (see the e-mail below). As I admit in my e-mail, I could have began in a wiser and more productive manner, but the show did inspire me to ask Andrew a couple of questions. I hope that you find my argument and questions thought provoking even if you disagree with me. If <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">kpxq</span> has archived shows then anyone interested can listen to the Monday May 18 show. You can also listen to the Tues May 19 show which Andrew opened up with my e-mail and opened the floor for people to call in and argue either for or against the idea that the catholic church is a Christian church. About a half hour into the show or so I called in and Andrew and I discussed this topic a little bit further. Here is the e-mail I wrote.<br /><br />Dear Andrew<br />I am the caller from Monday May 18 that started out his comment with “it is unfortunate that they [your friends] are not part of a Bible believing church (in regards to the Catholic church).” I wanted to apologize if I came off that I was trying to give undo offense to the Catholic church or to your friends. My comment about not “a Bible believing church” was connected in my mind to the overall point about Biblical church discipline and I did not mean my comment as a random insult of the Catholic church. I was also wondering if I could ask you some further questions. I am asking you these questions with the spirit of friendly inquiry and I hope you do not perceive this as combative.<br /><br />I take it from your response to me on the show that you believe Catholicism to fall within the realm of Biblical Christianity. If I am wrong then the rest of this e-mail is meaningless. Here are my questions. Paul’s overall point in Galatians seems to be that those who bring a gospel that requires works for salvation to be effective should be “accursed” and that their gospel is “another gospel.” If that is Paul’s point, how is the Catholic teaching that there must be certain sacraments followed by the parishioners in order to be justified not another gospel? I understand that Paul is specifically referring to circumcision in Galatians, however, the principle seems to directly apply to Catholic teaching. I am not talking about the idea that works accompany true salvation, but rather the idea that works are necessary for the justification of believers. I am aware that the Catholic teaching is that grace is necessary. My problem is not that Catholic teaching says grace is necessary, but that grace is not sufficient. If I am wrong, then where is the line that you believe is taught by scripture? By line, I mean that point at which if a person or church crosses they can no longer be considered under the umbrella of Biblical Christianity.<br /><br />Let me be clear, I believe that there are many things about which Biblical churches can disagree. However, I believe the sufficiency of grace by faith is clearly of such Biblical importance and necessity that Bible believing churches cannot disagree about this point. Do you believe that the Bible is clear enough in its teaching that there is a discernible line? I know that the Catholic church says that it is part of the universal church, but so do Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons. Is self identification as being a part of the universal church sufficient grounds to be considered by everyone as being part of the universal church? While I admit that I could have been more circumspect in my opening statement (and again apologize if there was any undo offense given), is there something wrong with drawing a line?<div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7898701313543890712-4201971603866246320?l=conversation.acwi-online.org'/></div>Baird boyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/122101311039673889595solas@bairdweb.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898701313543890712.post-33840729350236909822009-05-20T23:40:00.007-07:002009-05-20T23:48:17.550-07:00Land Hermit Crabs: Theology 101<span style="font-weight: bold;">by Guest Blogger, Keith Piccolo</span><br /><a href="http://keeprightproductions.org/">Keith's website</a><br />Keith on <a href="http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=78764&amp;id=76635109409&amp;saved#/profile.php?id=1360509342">Facebook</a><br /><br /><br /><span style="font-family:georgia;">My friend Keith Piccolo recently wrote this on his Facebook page and I asked permission to re-post it here. Enjoy! — Coffee Snob</span><br /><br/><br />Hermit crabs. Not likely we would think there is anything we could learn from them. I mean, come on; they are a primitive life form with no real personality, right? They are incapable of emotional displays or anything beyond an instinctual reaction for self-preservation.<br /><br />...Or are they?<br /><br />A year and a half ago, I was the fortunate recipient of a land hermit crab. Not by choice. I was down at Rocky Point, Mexico, and had collected some sea shells for my niece's collection (which she never received, but that's a whole OTHER story. . .but I digress). When I came back to the states, I had discovered an "illegal immigrant" had stowed away in my collection. One of those shells was occupied!!!<br /><br />Having NO idea how to care for a land hermit crab, I quickly headed to a pet store to get a book on hermit crabs, along with all the necessary supplies to care for him. Unfortunately, it was too late. He only lasted three days in America before departing to that southern beach in the sky.<br /><br />Anyway, having already made the investment in crab care supplies, I decided to buy one (for all of $4.00 with tax). They seemed easy enough to take care of, but I was in for a rude awakening. Hermit crabs have a handful of specific needs that (if any one is unmet) could result in a fatality of the crustacean. One of which is that they are social creatures. My investment tripled, as I had to purchase two more to keep the first one company.<br /><br />Besides all these nuances, I discovered something fascinating about hermit crabs. These creatures actually DO have "personalities". On a primitive level, they had variations in responses to the same stimuli, repeatedly consistent to the individual. This led to a genuine intrigue. They were certainly not a cuddly pet, but none-the-less were endearing to me. I would observe their behaviors toward each other, how they interacted within their environment (fondly referred to as a "crabitat"), and most importantly how they reacted...to me.<br /><br />Higher life forms respond with recognition to their owners. Dogs and cats know who you are, and that you are their provider. Hermit crabs... not so much. So, when I go to put fresh water in their dishes or replace their food supply, they do not recognize me as anything other than a big potential threat. Or so I thought.<br /><br />I have three crabs; Dudley, Sherman and Peabody (I'm a cartoonist, what did you expect me to name them?!). Dudley was my first. He responds to my presence by running and hiding as quickly as is possible for an arthropod to move those tiny legs. Peabody was my second, and he just withdraws into his shell and stays motionless for ten to fifteen minutes. Then, there is Sherman.<br /><br />Sherman is the middle child in age. Sherman does not run when I come in. Sherman does not hide when I come in. Sherman just... watches. He waits to see if I am coming toward him. When I get too close, or make a sudden movement, he will casually, rotate himself and move a few steps away. Otherwise, Sherman is content to let me be who I am, knowing I am not a threat to him. Amazingly, I am the one who provides all their specific needs and keeps them alive and content. Yet, none of them but Sherman even comes close to responding to me.<br /><br />Now, how is this "theology," you ask? Well, I find all three of my crabs' responses represented in human beings regarding the Lord. Some run as far from Him as they cannot understanding, not wanting to understand, afraid, angry, confused, rebellious, whatever. Some hide - pretend He isn't there (maybe He will go away). Then, some... watch. Some, although they do not understand Him, do feel safe and know that He is not a threat; that in fact, He is the one sustaining their very life in existence.<br /><br />What is truly remarkable is that the more I watch these specimens, the more I understand how the Lord must sometimes feel with me when I do not acknowledge Him for all He has done, and is doing, in my life. And while these crabs will never fully grasp the concept that I care for them, I at least can grasp the concept that God so loved me that He sacrificed His Son so that I could have a relationship with Him. Amazing. And all that from a primitive little land hermit crab.<br /><br />"For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what He has made..."<br /><br />I think I get it.<div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7898701313543890712-3384072935023690982?l=conversation.acwi-online.org'/></div>Coffee Snobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00620074728854238145noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898701313543890712.post-78907358777622916722009-05-19T10:22:00.007-07:002009-05-19T10:35:17.971-07:00Why is the "Mainline" Church Liberal?Here's one answer:<br /><blockquote><span style="font-family:georgia;">Lutheran theologian Richard John Neuhaus suggested that a loss of faith was the<br />main reason why so many Catholic and mainline Protestant leaders had turned<br />their churches into pulpits of the hard left. Not truly believing that the<br />Gospel was true, the leaders sought to make it socially useful.<br /></span><a title="http://www.davekopel.com/Religion/Evolving-Christian-Attitudes.pdf" href="http://www.davekopel.com/Religion/Evolving-Christian-Attitudes.pdf"><span style="font-family:georgia;">http</span><a title="http://www.davekopel.com/Religion/Evolving-Christian-Attitudes.pdf" href="http://www.davekopel.com/Religion/Evolving-Christian-Attitudes.pdf"><span style="font-family:georgia;">://www.davekopel.com/Religion/Evolving-Christian-Attitudes.pdf</span></a></a><span style="font-family:georgia;"> - p. 34</span></blockquote><br />And that's the problem with a gospel that's not true: it has no real and lasting power. As Neuhaus explained, the leaders of the liberal churches tried to limit and control the gospel. They "sought to make it". . . into something it isn't.<br /><br />That's not to say that there are no practical benefits of the TRUE gospel, but the pragmatic results of the gospel are not its main purpose. After all, they are <em>results</em> - the outworking of lives transformed. The "socially useful" part of the gospel is not its main goal.<br /><br />Transformed lives, people changed - <em>that's</em> the goal. . . with the added benefit of socially useful (pragmatic) results.<div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7898701313543890712-7890735877762291672?l=conversation.acwi-online.org'/></div>Coffee Snobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00620074728854238145noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898701313543890712.post-2851921066098462792009-05-17T17:17:00.001-07:002009-05-17T17:19:54.575-07:00Fair Minded WordsToday, at the University of Norte Dame Graduation, the President of the United States called for “fair minded words “in regard to the issue of abortion. The President did the same in a speech on June 28, 2006<br /><a href="http://www.citizenlink.org/pdfs/06-24-08-obama-call-to-renewal.pdf">http://www.citizenlink.org/pdfs/06-24-08-obama-call-to-renewal.pdf</a><br /><br />“...I do not ask at this point that you oppose abortion,<br />only that you speak about this issue in fair-minded words."<br /><br />My God does have or hold an awesome place in my life and my worldview. Because God is awesome I cannot come to any position of “fair mindedness” when murder of “human kind”, our children is at issue.<br /><br />I would that the President rethink, his position on abortion in light of The God and The Scriptures that the President claims he acknowledges and claims to offer prayer.<br /><br />There is no “common ground”, only jars filled with aborted children. I offer this not as a political position, but as a life position.<br /><br />Eutychus<div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7898701313543890712-285192106609846279?l=conversation.acwi-online.org'/></div>Eutychushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02189956154099856779noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898701313543890712.post-22581229443887296492009-05-10T21:03:00.001-07:002009-05-10T21:05:30.828-07:00MortificationIt is good to share!<br /><br />Eutychus<br /><br />The Practice of Mortification<br />By Sinclair B. Ferguson<br /><br />The aftermath of a conversation can change the way we later think of its significance.<br /><br />My friend — a younger minister — sat down with meat the end of a conference in his church and said: “Before we retire tonight, just take me through the steps that are involved in helping someone mortify sin.” We sat talking about this for a little longer and then went to bed, hopefully he was feeling as blessed as I did by our conversation. I still wonder whether he was asking his question ns a pastor or simply for himself— or both.<br /><br />How would you best answer his question? The first thing to do is: Turn to the Scriptures. Yes, turn to John Owen (never a bad idea), or to some other counselor dead or alive. But remember that we have not been left only to good human resources in this area. We need to be taught from “the mouth of God” so that the principles we are learning to apply carry with them both the authority of God and the promise of God to make them work<br /><br />Several passages come to mind for study: Romans 8:13; Romans 13:8—14 (Augustine's text); 2 Corinthians 6:14—7:1; Ephesians 4:17—5:21; Colossians 3:1—17; 1 Peter 4:1—11; 1 John 2:28—3:11. Significantly, only two of these passages contain the verb “mortify” (“put to death”). Equally significantly, the context of each of these passages is broader than the single exhortation to put sin to death. As we shall see, this is an observation that turns out to he of considerable importance.<br /><br />Of these passages, Colossians 3:1—17 is probably the best place for us to begin.<br /><br />Here were relatively young Christians. They have had a wonderful experience of conversion to Christ from paganism. They had entered a gloriously new and liberating world of grace. Perhaps — if we may read between the lines — they had felt for a while as if they had been delivered, not only from sin’s penalty but almost from its influence — so marvelous was their new freedom. But then, of course, sin reared its ugly head again. Having experienced the “already” of grace they were now discovering the painful “not yet” of ongoing sanctification. Sounds familiar!<br /><br />But as in our evangelical sub-culture of quick fixes for long-term problems, unless the Colossians had a firm grasp of Gospel principles, they were now at risk! For just at this point young Christians can be relatively easy prey to false teachers with new promises of a higher spiritual life. That was what Paul feared (Col. 2:8, 16). Holiness-producing methods were now in vogue (Col. 2:21—22) and they seemed to be deeply spiritual, just the thing for earnest young believers. But, in fact, “they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh” (Col. 2:23). Not new methods, but only an understanding of how the Gospel works, can provide an adequate foundation and pattern for dealing with sin. This is the theme of Colossians 3:1—17.<br /><br />Paul gives us the pattern and rhythm we need. Like Olympic long jumpers, we will not succeed unless we go back from the point of action to a point from which we can gain energy for the strenuous effort of dealing with sin. How, then, does Paul teach us to do this?<br /><br />First of all, Paul underlines how important it is for us to be familiar with our new identity in Christ (3:1—4). How often when we fail spiritually we lament that we forgot who we really are — Christ’s. We have a new identity. We are no longer “in Adam” but “in Christ”; no longer in the flesh, hut in the Spirit; no longer dominated by the old creation but living in the new (Rom. 5:12—21; 8:9; 2 Cor. 5:17). Paul takes time to expound this. We have died with Christ (Col. 3:3; we have even been buried with Christ, 2:12); we have been raised with Him (3:1), and our life is hidden with Him (3:3). Indeed, so united to Christ are we that Christ will not appear in glory without us (3:4).<br /><br />Failure to deal with the presence of sin can often be traced back to spiritual amnesia, forgetfulness of our new, true, real identity. As a believer I am someone who has been delivered from the dominion of sin and who therefore is free and motivated to fight against the remnants of sin’s army in my heart.<br /><br />Principle number one, then, is: Know, rest in, think through, and act upon your new identity you are in Christ.<br /><br />Second, Paul goes on to expose the workings of sin in every area of our lives (Col. 3:5—11). If we are to deal with sin biblically, we must not make the mistake of thinking that we can limit our attack to only one area of failure in our lives. All sin must he dealt with. Thus Paul ranges through the manifestation of sin in private life (v. 5), everyday public life (v. 8), and church life (vv. 9—II; “one another: ” “here: ” that is, in the church fellowship). The challenge in mortification is akin to the challenge in dieting (itself a form of mortification!): once we begin we discover that there are all kinds of reasons we are overweight. We are really dealing with ourselves, not simply with calorie control. I am the problem, not the potato chips! Mortifying sin is a whole-of-life change.<br /><br />Third, Paul’s exposition provides us with practical guidance for mortifying sin. Sometimes it seems as if Paul gives exhortations (“Put to death..., ” 3:5) without giving “practical” help to answer our “how to?” questions. Often today Christians go to Paul to tell them what to do and then to the local Christian bookstore to discover how to do it! Why this bifurcation? Probably because we do not linger long enough over what Paul is saying. We do not sink our thinking deeply into the Scriptures. For, characteristically whenever Paul issues an exhortation he surrounds it with hints as to how we are to put it into practice.<br /><br />This is certainly true here. Notice how this passage helps to answer our “how to?” questions.<br /><br />1. Learn to admit sin for what it really is. Call a spade a spade call it “sexual immorality’ not “I’m being tempted a little”; call it “impurity:” not “I’m struggling with my thought life”; call it “evil desire, which is idolatry:” not “I think I need to order my priorities a bit better.” This pattern runs right through this whole section. How powerfully this unmasks self-deceit and helps us to unmask sin lurking in the hidden corners of our hearts!<br /><br />2. See sin for what your sin really is in God’s presence. “On account of these the wrath of God is coming” (3:6). The masters of the spiritual life spoke of dragging our lusts (kicking and screaming, though they be) to the cross, to a wrath-bearing Christ. My sin leads to — not lasting pleasure but holy divine displeasure. See the true nature of your sin in the light of its punishment. Too easily do we think that sin is less serious in Christians than it is in non-believers: “It’s forgiven, isn’t it?” Not if we continue in it (1 John 3:9)! Take a heaven’s-eye view of sin and feel the shame of that in which you once walked (Col. 3:7; see also Rom. 6:21).<br /><br />3. Recognize the inconsistency of your sin. You put off the “old man” and have put on the “new man” (3:9—10). You are no longer the “old man.” The identity you had “in Adam” is gone. The old man was “crucified with him [Christ] in order that the body of sin [probably “life in the body dominated by sin”] might be brought to nothing, so that we would no longer be enslaved to sin” (Rom. 6:6). New men live new lives. Anything less than this is a contradiction of who I am “in Christ.”<br /><br />4. Put sin to death (Col. 3:5). It is as “simple” as that, Refuse it, starve it, and reject it. You cannot “mortify” sin without the pain of the kill. There is no other way!<br /><br />But notice that Paul sets this in a very important, broader context. The negative task of putting sin to death will not be accomplished in isolation from the positive call of the Gospel to “put on” the Lord Jesus Christ (Rom. 13:14). Paul spells this out in Colossians 3:12—17. Sweeping the house clean simply leaves us open to a further invasion of sin. But when we understand the “glorious exchange” principle of the Gospel of grace, then we will begin to make some real advance in holiness. As sinful desires and habits are not only rejected, but exchanged for Christ-like graces (3:12) and actions (3:13); as we are clothed in Christ’s character and His graces are held together by’ love (v. 14), not only in our private life but also in the church fellowship (xv. 12—16), Christ’s name and glory are manifested and exalted in and among us (3:17).<br /><br />These are some of the things my friend and I talked about that memorable evening. We did not have an opportunity later to ask each other, “How are you going?” for it was our last conversation. He died some months later. I have often wondered how the months in between went in his life. But the earnest personal and pastoral concern in his question still echoes in my mind. They have a similar effect to the one Charles Simeon said he felt from the eyes of his much-loved portrait of the great Henry Martyn: “Don’t trifle!”<br /><br />Dr. Sinclair B. Ferguson is senior minister of First Presbyterian Church in Columbia, South Carolina.<div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7898701313543890712-2258122944388729649?l=conversation.acwi-online.org'/></div>Eutychushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02189956154099856779noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898701313543890712.post-53960432282273492452009-05-07T00:05:00.001-07:002009-05-07T19:53:45.869-07:00Will the Real Worldview Please Stand UpI am sure that everyone of the two people (one not including my wife) who read my blog posts has been waiting with baited breath for a response to the second question of the video that I linked to in my last post. Okay maybe not baited breath, but with anticipation. Curiosity at least? Oh... you forgot that I linked to a video in my last post and responded to the first question of "10 questions all theists should answer." So be it, I will choose to press on and endeavor to provide a response to the second question of the video. Once again, here is the link to the video. Once again I ask that any minors reading my blog seek permission from their parents before watching. I request you do so because of the vitriolic stance of the video toward the faith.<br /><br /><div align="center"><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKaJuoCrozc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKaJuoCrozc</a></div><br /><div align="left">The second question, as you probably noted from the video is "Why are there so many starving people in our world?" Before I deal with the main question I would like to address one of the sub questions. I want to do this because I feel that the sub question distracts from the overall thrust and point of the main question in a misleading way; I therefore want to respond to the sub question so that it can be set aside. The sub question asks why would God care about a Christian (presumably in a wealthy nation) getting a raise while the prayers of these starving children are being "ignored." I would like to point out something that may seem obvious but should be said: God may not desire that the Christian gets a raise. God may choose that the Christian be fired. The Christian may not know why God would allow and ordain his being fired, but he does know that God has a purpose for him losing that job. However, I will say for the sake of argument that God wills (I will use myself as an example) I get a raise. The reason God may have given me this raise is so that I will have the funds to help feed and educate some of the these starving children. I hope that as a Christian one of the things that I would do with any raise I received would be to put some serious thought into how I can advance the kingdom of Christ with the extra money. Therefore, if I critically think about my faith, I will see that God caring about starving children and my receiving a raise at work is not contradictory. I would also like to briefly mention that the same mistaken view of prayer used in the first question is also used in the second. Our prayers are not orders to God that He must fulfill (you can read where I address the same issue in my previous post as well). Also, as a Christian, I do not believe that prayer addressed to any god is valid prayer. This is a side point and not important to my overall argument, but allow me to chase this bunny trail. How many of these starving people are really praying to God and how many are praying to a god they have invented? Something to think about. However, let me move on from what I have dubbed the sub question and address the main question of the video. My overall response to this question is that the atheist cannot, being consistent with his worldview, give an account for why one should even be concerned about these starving people. To paraphrase James White in his recent debate with Dan Barker it is nothing but natural selection in progress. However, allow me to first address the internal consistency of the Christian worldview in regards to these starving people. Greg Bahnsen dealt with the issue of evil and suffering and the internal consistency of the Christian Worldview in his book "Always Ready." Bahnsen points out that the atheist will usually state the premises this way:</div><br /><div align="left">1.) God is all powerful and all Good</div><br /><div align="left">2.) There is evil and suffering in the world.</div><br /><div align="left">If premise one and two are the only ones considered it would appear that Christianity has some internal worldview flaws. In other words in modus tollens </div><div align="left"></div><div align="left">1.) If an all good and all powerful God exists then there should be no evil or suffering in this world</div><div align="left">2.) There is evil and suffering in this world</div><div align="left">3.) an all powerful all good God does not exist</div><div align="left"></div><div align="left">In response to this, Bahnsen points out that adding a third premise eliminates any internal inconsistency within the Christian worldview:</div><br /><div align="left">1.) God is all powerful and all Good</div><br /><div align="left">2.) There is evil and suffering in the world</div><br /><div align="left">3.) God has a morally sufficient purpose for evil and suffering</div><br /><div align="left">It does not matter whether we know the exact morally sufficient purpose for the evil and suffering. God could have a morally sufficient purpose for evil and suffering quite independent from our knowledge of that purpose. Furthermore, I would also like to add (Bahnsen also makes this point in the book as well) that the starving children that we are referring to are not Innocent people. The children that we are talking about are rebels against the king of the universe. When we put a situation in the proper perspective it changes the way we see the situation. As rebels against the creator it is amazing that anyone even live to see any of the days they do. Even more amazing is that millions of millions of people from every tribe tongue and nation will spend eternity with the living God in glory and not in the much deserved place of hell where God's wrath for sin is eternally meted out. Even as one who was once a hater of God but now stands in the righteousness of Christ. One who will therefore spend eternity in glory. I still understand that I live in a fallen world so if I wake up tomorrow with a flesh eating disease I hope that I would stand with Job and say "...blessed be the name of the Lord." I do not want to underplay the situation of the starving children. As the church we should have great compassion for these children. The church does show this compassion in many ways. I wonder how much worse the picture would be if the church of Christ was not active in bringing the gospel to these places, and in bringing the gospel, bringing food and clothes as well. There are secular organizations e.g. the peace corps that bring food and clothes also. Still, I wonder what it would be like if all the medical aid and food that Christians provide to these people were to be taken away. I do not want to go further on this because I do not presently have any hard statistics about the difference in the amount between secular organizations and Christian organizations of aid given to these starving people. I do believe that I am safe in saying that I would feel far better, if I had to choose, in removing all the secular aid from third world countries rather than all the Christian aid. I digress. The internal consistency of the Christian worldview is seen to remain strong. With that in mind I propose a test of worldviews. Come atheists and bring to the table what you have to offer these starving people. Offer them meaninglessness in their suffering and pain. Offer them the comfort of just being atoms in motion only different from a fizzing soda in the degree of complexity (I owe the fizzing soda example to Dan Wilson). Offer them the finality of death, the end of existence. The Christian offers hope in Christ for an eternity without pain or sorrow. A place where God will wipe every tear away. No more stomachs bloated from lack of nutrition. I offer purpose in their suffering and pain. I offer them the knowledge that their bodies and souls have been designed and built by the creator of all things. Come and taste of these worldviews and see which one leaves bitterness in the mouth. I advise the atheist to not discuss starving people with a Christian until he finds himself a more robust worldview. </div><div align="left"></div><div align="center">Some Extra Pertinent Stuff: </div><div align="left"></div><div align="left">Gandalf on death: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW8xI9_RYDk">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW8xI9_RYDk</a></div><div align="left"></div><div align="left">White/Barker Debate first cross examination: <a href="http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=3267">http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=3267</a></div><div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7898701313543890712-5396043228227349245?l=conversation.acwi-online.org'/></div>Baird boyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/122101311039673889595solas@bairdweb.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898701313543890712.post-60874563308141187492009-05-03T19:31:00.003-07:002009-05-03T19:37:18.991-07:00Hail to the QueenQuestion asked by a judge at the Miss USA Telecast in April 19 2009 of Miss. California,<br />"<a href="http://i.abcnews.com/TheLaw/wireStory?id=7277856"> </a> Vermont recently became the fourth state to legalize same-sex marriage," he said. "Do you think every state should follow suit, why or why not." <a href="http://www.abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/Television/Story?id=7381893&amp;page=1">http://www.abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/Television/Story?id=7381893&amp;page=1</a><br /><br />Miss California, Carrie Prejean, answered,<br />"We live in a land where you can choose same-sex marriage or opposite. And you know what, I think in my country, in my family, I think that I believe that a marriage should be between a man and a <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,517137,00.html##" target="_blank">woman</a>. No offense to anybody out there, but that's how I was raised."<br /><br />Miss. Prejean’s statement engendered a fire storm of openly rude and disgusting verbal behavior from her detractors and a demand for an apology from sponsors of the Miss USA event. <br /><br /><a href="http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/05/02/miss_california_usa-2/">http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/05/02/miss_california_usa-2/</a><br /><br />How would you deal with such a spontaneous situation and resulting rude behavior?<br /><br />Some questions to consider:<br /><br />What do I owe the person who differs from me?<br /> “…we owe them love. And we owe it to them to deal with them as we ourselves would like to be dealt with or treated. ((Matthew 7:12 WNT) Everything, therefore, be it what it may, that you would have men do to you, do you also the same to them; for in this the Law and the Prophets are summed up.)<br />How then do we desire to be treated? We want people to know what we are saying or meaning. If we are going to voice differences, therefore, we have an obligation to make a serious effort to understand the person with whom we differ. “<br />Consider the tone of Miss. California’s answer and the tone of the judges behavior in the following.<br /> <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1172123/God-testing-faith-says-Miss-California-Perez-Hilton-calls-dumb-bitch-gay-marriage-row.html">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1172123/God-testing-faith-says-Miss-California-Perez-Hilton-calls-dumb-bitch-gay-marriage-row.html</a><br /><br />What Can I Learn from Those Who Differ From Me?<br />“To raise the question, "What do I owe the person who differs from me?" is very important, for otherwise any discussion is doomed to remain unproductive. The truth that I believe I have grasped must be presented in a spirit of love and winsomeness.”<br />“When we are sure that our outward approach is proper, we need secondly to safeguard the inward benefits of courtesy. We need to ask the question, "What can I learn from those who differ from me?" It is not censurable selfishness to seek to gain maximum benefits from any situation that we encounter. It is truly a pity if we fail to take advantage of opportunities to learn and develop that almost any controversy affords us.”<br /><br />How Can I Cope with Those Who Differ from Me?<br />“Now "coping" involves naturally two aspects known as "defensive" and "offensive." Unfortunately, these terms are borrowed from the military vocabulary and tend to reflect a pugnacious attitude which injects bitterness into controversies. We should make a conscious effort to resist that trend. Furthermore "offensive" is often understood as meaning "giving offense" or "repulsive" rather than simply "passing to the attack." It may therefore be better to use the adjectives "protective" and "constructive" to characterize these two approaches.”<br />“Constructively, it behooves me to show that my view is in keeping with the totality of revealed truth, with the structure of the Christian faith as an organism of truth.”<br /><br />The above questions come from the citation below and I would suggest one read the entire article. Who knows, you might disagree?<br /><a href="http://www.founders.org/journal/fj33/article3.html">http://www.founders.org/journal/fj33/article3.html</a><br /><br />I admire Miss. Prejean and I believe that she has excellent repose. Miss. Prejean’s statement, “but that's how I was raised.” gives eternal credence to married parents and marriage in particular, a man and a women.<br /><br />I believe that all who defend the faith or stand up for the faith or proclaim the faith should be prepared continually to work within the framework of the above philosophy of the three questions. <br /><br />“We are called upon by the Lord to contend earnestly for the faith (Jude 3). That does not necessarily involve being contentious; but it involves avoiding compromise, standing forth for what we believe, stand&shy;ing forth for the truth of God—without welching at any particular moment.” Roger Nicole<br /><br />Eutychus<div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7898701313543890712-6087456330814118749?l=conversation.acwi-online.org'/></div>Eutychushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02189956154099856779noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898701313543890712.post-78878716632564827592009-04-27T23:00:00.001-07:002009-04-27T23:00:02.238-07:00Between Two Worlds<p>In my <a href="http://conversation.acwi-online.org/2009/03/why-should-church-care-about-new-media.html">post</a> way back on March 9 (ancient history in the blogosphere), I commented on the need for the church to be involved with "new media" if we hope to reach/teach/evangelize the rising generation.</p><p>As I thought more about it, I considered my own place in the discussion.</p><p>Here at ACWI, we find ourselves with one corporate foot in the world of "old media" and one foot in the "new media" world . What do I mean?</p><p>Well, just consider where and how we communicate our message:</p><ul><li><strong>OLD:</strong> Christian radio and print publishing</li><li><strong>NEW:</strong> podcasting and blogging (and one of these days when I have more time on my hands, <em>Facebook</em>)</li></ul><p>Way back in 1997 (this was before there were specialized career titles like "network security analyst" or "information technologist"), a friend who was known simply as a "computer guy" was forecasting the end of the book - that we'd all be reading e-books on our computers before long and the libraries would all close up shop.</p><p>I don't ever see a day when it has to be one or the other. It will depend largely on who your intended audience is. If we were to plan a conference for youth pastors or their youth groups this year, you can be sure that we'd focus our energies on new media. But if we wanted to reach the general population, we'd probably use a mix of both old and new media.</p><p>Consider these words from Phil Cooke. In <strong>The ‘Open Media’ Revolution</strong>, he writes,<br /></p><span style="font-family:arial;"><blockquote><span style="font-family:georgia;">"The ‘Open Media’ Revolution will change everything you know about reaching this generation. If church and ministry leaders don't understand and respond to this change, our impact will eventually disappear. Think that's being a little melodramatic? Let me explain it by showing the difference between the closed media world of the past and the open media world of the future. . ."</span></blockquote><p></span><span style="font-family:arial;">Cooke then goes on and gives these as his first couple of examples: </span></p><blockquote><p><span style="font-family:georgia;"><strong>Closed:</strong> TV was the hub of marketing and advertising campaigns<br /><strong>Open:</strong> TV is now TIVO-we skip commercials<br /><strong>Closed:</strong> Programmers controlled the message<br /><strong>Open:</strong> The audience influences the message<br /></span><a href="http://www.ministrytodaymag.com/index.php/ministry-facilities/multimedia/18211-the-open-media-revolution/Cooke"><span style="font-family:georgia;">http://www.ministrytodaymag.com/index.php/ministry-facilities/multimedia/18211-the-open-media-revolution/Cooke</span></a></p></blockquote><p>Cooke &#8212; along with my old friend the "computer guy" &#8212; seems to think that "old media" is taking its last gasping breaths. </p><p>I'm not quite there yet - if for no other reason than the fact that curling up in a big comfy chair with a book and a cup of coffee (or for some people, tea) <em>just isn't the same</em> if you've got a laptop (or a <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Kindle-Amazons-Wireless-Reading-Generation/dp/B00154JDAI/ref=amb_link_84197611_1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;pf_rd_s=center-1&amp;pf_rd_r=0QARYNNH7X18EZ8X9B88&amp;pf_rd_t=101&amp;pf_rd_p=475601651&amp;pf_rd_i=507846">Kindle</a>) in place of the trusty old book.<br /></p><div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7898701313543890712-7887871663256482759?l=conversation.acwi-online.org'/></div>Coffee Snobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00620074728854238145noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898701313543890712.post-88068989456112645842009-04-26T16:11:00.004-07:002009-04-26T16:20:17.588-07:00Hymn: HE wills that I should holy be<a name="h408">John Wesley</a><br /><br />1 HE wills that I should holy be,<br />That holiness I long to feel;<br />That full divine conformity<br />To all my Savior’s righteous will.<br /><br />2 See, Lord, the travail of thy soul<br />Accomplished in the change of mine,<br />And plunge me, every whit made whole,<br />In all the depths of love divine.<br /><br />3 On thee, O God, my soul is stayed,<br />And waits to prove your utmost will;<br />The promise, by thy mercy made,<br />Thou canst, thou wilt, in me fulfill.<br /><br />4 No more I stagger at thy power,<br />Or doubt thy truth, which cannot move:<br />Hasten the long-expected hour,<br />And bless me with thy perfect love.<br /><br />5 Jesus, thy loving Spirit alone<br />Can lead me forth, and make me free,<br />Burst every bond through which I groan,<br />And set my heart at liberty:<br /><br />6 Now let thy Spirit bring me in,<br />And give thy servant to possess<br />The land of rest from inbred sin,<br />The land of perfect holiness.<br /><br />7 Lord, I believe thy power the same,<br />The same thy truth and grace endure;<br />And in thy blessed hands I am,<br />And trust thee for a perfect cure.<br /><br />8 Come, Savior, come, and make me whole!<br />Entirely all my sins remove;<br />To perfect health restore my soul,<br />To perfect holiness and love.<br /><br />Eutychus<div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7898701313543890712-8806898945611264584?l=conversation.acwi-online.org'/></div>Eutychushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02189956154099856779noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898701313543890712.post-5834382237128516492009-04-19T18:10:00.001-07:002009-04-19T18:12:47.169-07:00Saving, Ministry, Evil and MusicThings I read and listened to and thought about this past week.<br /><br />I found this article very pithy.<br /><a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&amp;refer=columnist_roach&amp;sid=ag6fYs90r3vk">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&amp;refer=columnist_roach&amp;sid=ag6fYs90r3vk</a><br /><br />ARTICLE The Man Behind The (Divine) Conspiracy: A Conversation with Dallas Willard<br /><a href="http://www.gordon.edu/article.cfm?iArticleID=714&amp;iReferrerPageID=1676&amp;iPrevCatID=134&amp;bLive=1">http://www.gordon.edu/article.cfm?iArticleID=714&amp;iReferrerPageID=1676&amp;iPrevCatID=134&amp;bLive=1</a><br /><br />I believe that every particle of dust that dances in the sunbeam does not move an atom more or less than God wishes. Charles Spurgeon, YES!!!<br /><a href="http://www.inlightofthegospel.org/?p=4790"></a><br /><a href="http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/ConferenceMessages/ByDate/1476_Is_God_Less_Glorious_Because_He_Ordained_that_Evil_Be/">http://www.desiringgod.org/ResourceLibrary/ConferenceMessages/ByDate/1476_Is_God_Less_Glorious_Because_He_Ordained_that_Evil_Be/</a><br /><br />It was my pleasure to attend a dulcimer workshop in Silver City, New Mexico. The Mogollon Mountain Dulcimers had the gifted teacher and artist Maureen Sellers. I particularly love to hear an artist that takes special note of the origins of the songs she teaches and plays. And!! I was again delighted to play and sing along, “The Ninety and Nine”.<br /><br />Eutychus<div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7898701313543890712-583438223712851649?l=conversation.acwi-online.org'/></div>Eutychushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02189956154099856779noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898701313543890712.post-23940967679694845812009-04-12T16:43:00.003-07:002009-04-12T16:47:13.226-07:00Post American Culture"To the surprise of liberals who fear the advent of an evangelical theocracy and to the dismay of religious conservatives who long to see their faith more fully expressed in public life, Christians are now making up a declining percentage of the American population."<br />“While we remain a nation decisively shaped by religious faith, our politics and our culture are, in the main, less influenced by movements and arguments of an explicitly Christian character than they were even five years ago. I think this is a good thing—good for our political culture, which, as the American Founders saw, is complex and charged enough without attempting to compel or coerce religious belief or observance. It is good for Christianity, too, in that many Christians are rediscovering the virtues of a separation of church and state that protects what Roger Williams, who founded Rhode Island as a haven for religious dissenters, called "the garden of the church" from "the wilderness of the world." As crucial as religion has been and is to the life of the nation, America's unifying force has never been a specific faith, but a commitment to freedom—not least freedom of conscience. At our best, we single religion out for neither particular help nor particular harm; we have historically treated faith-based arguments as one element among many in the republican sphere of debate and decision. The decline and fall of the modern religious right's notion of a Christian America creates a calmer political environment and, for many believers, may help open the way for a more theologically serious religious life.”<br /><br />Thus writes <a href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/192583" target="_blank">Newsweek</a> editor Jon Meacham in this week's cover story, <a href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/192583" target="_blank">"The End of Christian America</a>." The image on the front cover says it all, declaring "<a href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/192583" target="_blank">The Decline and Fall of Christian America</a>" in type set to form a cross.<br /><br />Albert Mohler says, “This is a fair and insightful rendering of the pattern. What does become clear in this paragraph is that what Newsweek sees as the essence of the issue is political influence. While this is hardly a non-issue, my greater concern is not with political influence and what secularization means for the political sphere, but with what secularization means for the souls of men and women who are now considerably more distant from Christianity -- and perhaps even with any contact with Christianity -- than ever before. My main concern is evangelism, not cultural influence.” <a href="http://almohler.com/blog_read.php?id=3563">http://almohler.com/blog_read.php?id=3563</a><br /><br />I believe many will read this article with a death denial. Why? It seems too many believers fight the American culture and in their fight have moved it to a secular position. It would seem to me that the American culture has been secular for a longer time than the stats indicate.<br /><br />Mohler’s concerns, “Our proper Christian response to this new challenge is not gloom, but concern. And our first concern must be to see that the Gospel is preached as Good News to the perishing -- including all those in post-Christian America.” Redemption comes from Jesus Christ, which is His mission, proclaiming the Gospel is our mission.<br /><br />(Matthew 28:18-20 NKJV) And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.<br /><br /><br /><br />Eutychus<div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7898701313543890712-2394096767969484581?l=conversation.acwi-online.org'/></div>Eutychushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02189956154099856779noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898701313543890712.post-2812574624748461742009-04-05T13:08:00.002-07:002009-04-05T13:11:41.461-07:00Passion Week 2009Devotions from Charles Spurgeon<br /><br />“They took Jesus, and led him away.”<br /> (John 19:16 WNT) Then Pilate gave Him up to them to be crucified. Accordingly they took Jesus;<br /><br />He had been all night in agony, he had spent the early morning at the hall of Caiaphas, he had been hurried from Caiaphas to Pilate, from Pilate to Herod, and from Herod back again to Pilate; he had, therefore, but little strength left, and yet neither refreshment nor rest were permitted him. They were eager for his blood, and therefore led him out to die, loaded with the cross. O dolorous procession! Well may Salem’s daughters weep. My soul, do thou weep also.<br />What learn we here as we see our blessed Lord led forth? Do we not perceive that truth which was set forth in shadow by the scapegoat? Did not the high-priest bring the scapegoat, and put both his hands upon its head, confessing the sins of the people, that thus those sins might be laid upon the goat, and cease from the people? Then the goat was led away by a fit man into the wilderness, and it carried away the sins of the people, so that if they were sought for they could not be found. Now we see Jesus brought before the priests and rulers, who pronounce him guilty; God himself imputes our sins to him, “the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all;” “He was made sin for us;” and, as the substitute for our guilt, bearing our sin upon his shoulders, represented by the cross; we see the great Scapegoat led away by the appointed officers of justice. Beloved, can you feel assured that he carried your sin? As you look at the cross upon his shoulders, does it represent your sin? There is one way by which you can tell whether he carried your sin or not. Have you laid your hand upon his head, confessed your sin, and trusted in him? Then your sin lies not on you; it has all been transferred by blessed imputation to Christ, and he bears it on his shoulder as a load heavier than the cross.<br />Let not the picture vanish till you have rejoiced in your own deliverance, and adored the loving Redeemer upon whom your iniquities were laid.<br /><br />“Is it not strange, the darkest hour<br />That ever dawned on sinful earth,<br />Should touch the heart with softer power,<br />For comfort, than an angel’s mirth?<br />That to the Cross the mourner’s eye should turn,<br />Sooner than where the stars of Bethlehem burn?”<br /><br /> “The power of his resurrection.”<br /><br />(Philippians 3:10 WNT) I long to know Christ and the power which is in His resurrection, and to share in His sufferings and die even as He died;<br /><br />The doctrine of a risen Savior is exceedingly precious. The resurrection is the corner-stone of the entire building of Christianity. It is the key-stone of the arch of our salvation. It would take a volume to set forth all the streams of living water which flow from this one sacred source, the resurrection of our dear Lord and Savior Jesus Christ; but to know that he has risen, and to have fellowship with him as such-communing with the risen Savior by possessing a risen life-seeing him leave the tomb by leaving the tomb of worldliness ourselves, this is even still more precious. The doctrine is the basis of the experience, but as the flower is more lovely than the root, so is the experience of fellowship with the risen Savior more lovely than the doctrine itself. I would have you believe that Christ rose from the dead so as to sing of it, and derive all the consolation which it is possible for you to extract from this well-ascertained and well-witnessed fact; but I beseech you, rest not contented even there. Though you cannot, like the disciples, see him visibly, yet I bid you aspire to see Christ Jesus by the eye of faith; and though, like Mary Magdalene, you may not “touch” him, yet may you be privileged to converse with him, and to know that he is risen, you yourselves being risen in him to newness of life. To know a crucified Savior as having crucified all my sins, is a high degree of knowledge; but to know a risen Savior as having justified me, and to realize that he has bestowed upon me new life, having given me to be a new creature through his own newness of life, this is a noble style of experience: short of it, none ought to rest satisfied. May you both “know him, and the power of his resurrection!” Why should souls who are quickened with Jesus, wear the grave-clothes of worldliness and unbelief? <strong>Rise, for the Lord is risen.<br /></strong><br />(Colossians 3:1-4 WNT) If however you have risen with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, enthroned at God's right hand. Give your minds to the things that are above, not to the things that are on the earth. For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ appears--He is our true Life--then you also will appear with Him in glory.<br /><br /><br />Eutychus<div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7898701313543890712-281257462474846174?l=conversation.acwi-online.org'/></div>Eutychushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02189956154099856779noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898701313543890712.post-68065561220478354552009-04-02T00:00:00.003-07:002009-04-03T07:46:28.571-07:00The Cruelty of God Toward AmputeesAwhile back I was roaming around You Tube when I came by this video asking theists (though it became clear from the start that Christians specifically were the target) ten questions. The video concludes with the claim that the only reasonable answer to the ten questions is that God is imaginary. I have watched the video from start to finish and have rejected the idea that the only reasonable answer to these questions is that God is imaginary. I will provide the questions the video asks in written form. Still, if it is at all possible to do so, I encourage my readers to go and watch the actual video which can be found here. There is no cursing or sexual (implicit or otherwise) language on the video. Still, due to the videos highly negative stance toward the Faith, I would plead with any readers still under their parents to seek their permission before watching.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKaJuoCrozc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKaJuoCrozc</a><br /><br />Although I am only dealing with the first question I hope to have responses to the other nine as time goes on (I know, this coming from the guy who promised about five of his posts ago that he would do the prophecies of Jesus in the O.T).<br />The video begins with a statement from the narrator that he assumes you are an educated Christian i.e. you have a college degree; the Christian along with this degree is assumed to have some formal training in logic and critical thinking. The narrator goes on to list possible positions the assumed educated Christian audience might occupy: engineer, scientist, teacher etc. To transition from the introduction to the questions the narrator asks if the assumed Christian audience has ever used those critical thinking skills to think about their faith. I agree with the videos assumption that a college education does give people to some degree or other formal training in logic and critical thinking (or at least it should). I also agree with the video that many educated Christians do hold the positions listed. However, I do have one problem with the introduction. The introduction from the start creates a dichotomy between logic/critical thinking and Christian belief. In other words the video starts out by communicating to the audience that if you are intelligent and have these skills, then ultimately you will end up agreeing with me. So right off the bat the person who will disagree with this video has already been categorized by the video as not using logic and critical thinking. Still, if the introduction is completely removed and or retooled to not set up this false dichotomy between Christian belief and reason, there are still the ten questions to be dealt with.<br /><br />Question One<br /><br />The first question asked is “why wont God heal amputees?” First, the background behind this question should be looked at. Before the first question is actually asked the video establishes that Christians believe in the power of prayer. Ok, so far so good, I think that most Christians can come to a consensus that prayer is powerful. The video then states that three out of four doctors believe that God is performing medical miracles on earth right now. Then the narrator explains that Christians believe God is healing diseases, curing cancer, and reversing the effects of poisons. I want to pause real quick and say that I agree with that, but there needs to be some things said. Miracles are the exception in history not the norm. I can see why someone would think they are the norm because there are copious amounts of miracles in the Bible (I believe all those miracles). However, when the amount of time the miracle accounts in the Bible covers to the amount of time of History from the beginning until now, we see that miracles are by far the exception. Furthermore, there are reasons that the Bible has a lot of miracles. Miracles were a way in which God revealed himself to his people. We now have the perfect revelation of God in the Bible. Also, we can clearly see many of the miracles have specific use for that time only. E.G. Jesus performed many many miracles but they were to announce and prove the arrival of the kingdom of God and its king. Do not get me wrong, when someone recovers from disease, cancer, or poison, it is right to praise God for He did do that. However, God uses the means of medical doctors and treatments to do those things. So, the normal mode of operation for God healing these things is through the use of medical professionals, medicines, and treatments. Moving on, in light of this background the first question is asked. The argument is, if God is healing those other things, then why do amputees who offer similar prayers not receive the re-growth of their limbs. The video then claims that in order to answer this question, Christians have to make up silly excuses on behalf of God.<br />To begin to answer the question, I would like to point out a faulty view of prayer that is being used in the video. Prayer is seen here as something that obligates God to do something as if he were a genie in a bottle. There is a movement called the Word of Faith movement that does hold to this view of prayer, but it is not the Biblical view and it should not be the view of the followers of Christ. Furthermore, there is an assumption here that prayer is meant to change the mind of God, as if God is having a hard time trying to decide what to do and our prayers tip the scales. Please do not get me wrong, prayer is an important part in our walk with God, and God has ordained that our prayers play a vital role in the life of the church. In fact it is because He has ordained prayer that prayer is powerful. Prayer is not powerful because if it is used enough it will somehow tip the cosmic scale in favor of the people praying. No, God has called his people to pray as a means of the work God has already chosen to accomplish. I think of Daniel praying for the return of the Jews to Jerusalem when God had already said that he would return a remnant to Jerusalem. Daniel was not trying to persuade God to a certain action. God already said what he was going to do, and Daniel was humbly seeking this promise. That is why when the Christian prays, his attitude is not that his will be done, but that God’s will be done (sounds familiar right). The view of prayer that this video assumes i.e. the afore-mentioned genie in the bottle is one that Christians should reject. However, the video depends upon this view of prayer to give the question potency: why wont God heal amputees? I do not know why God does not heal amputees. I do know that He has not promised he would, and is not obligated to do so just because there is prayer involved. This is not a silly excuse for God. It is the claim that God does not need an excuse, because God has done no wrong.<br />I have already explained above that outright miracles without the use of normal means are by far the exception not the rule. I will though, for the sake of argument assume that God does heal cancer disease and Poison supernaturally on a regular basis and show that it still does not obligate God to heal amputees. The video maintains that since God sometimes works a certain way in circumstances A B and C (i.e. cancer, disease, poison) that He than must do the exact same thing in circumstance D (i.e. healing amputees). There is no logical reason to maintain that God doing something in one circumstance necessitates that he do the exact same thing in another circumstance. If God chooses to heal in circumstance A-C it is all of mercy and God would be perfectly just to choose not to heal those things. God often does not heal disease, cure cancer, or reverse the effects of poison. If we are using our critical thinking skills here, unless one can make a logical connection that necessitate God healing amputees because he heals cancer, disease and poison than the argument falls apart. My wife and I pick up cans when we go walking because they are recyclable, but we do not pick up glass even though that is recyclable as well. No one would say to me that I had to pick up glass because I picked up cans. How even more silly would it be for a two year old to say to me that I only had silly excuses for only picking up cans just because the two year old cannot think of any reasons why I would do so. How much more silly is it for creatures to demand of God that he heal amputees because he heals cancer patients and then say that Christians only have silly excuses about why God acts as he does. Remember, I am even granting the premise that God heals cancer, disease, and poison supernaturally on a regular basis. I have a hard time believing that someone could consider this a serious reason to reject the existence of God. Rephrase what is being said here: God does not exist because amputees do not grow their limbs back. I could be wrong, but I find that most Christians who think seriously about their faith are not impressed with this kind of argumentation. In conclusion to this question there is no logical connection between amputees not being healed and the reality of God, and by saying there is, the atheist is failing to use the critical thinking that he is calling Christians to use.<br /><br /><p></p><p></p><div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7898701313543890712-6806556122047835455?l=conversation.acwi-online.org'/></div>Baird boyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/122101311039673889595solas@bairdweb.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7898701313543890712.post-75374201740160311992009-03-29T16:55:00.003-07:002009-03-29T17:05:56.763-07:00Embryo, Culture, Church etc.<div align="left">Things I read and listened to and thought about this past week.</div><div align="left"><br />!!! “Since a human embryo is a human life, it cannot morally be killed to serve another purpose, such as speculative research. A human embryo is not a part of a human life; it is a human life in its entirety. I was once, for example, a human embryo. A human embryo needs nothing other than the right environment to develop into a mature human being, much as I need the right environment to continue living." Simon Hirsch <a href="http://www.insidevandy.com/drupal/node/9910">http://www.insidevandy.com/drupal/node/9910</a><br />"I sense that you have a strong sense of justice...and I also sense that you are a fair minded person with a high regard for reason...Whatever your convictions, if you truly believe that those who oppose abortion are all ideologues driven by perverse desires to inflict suffering on women, then you, in my judgment, are not fair-minded... I do not ask at this point that you oppose abortion, only that you speak about this issue in fair-minded words." Comment from a Physician to Barack Obama.<br />Obama’s reply, “Fair-minded words.” <a href="http://usliberals.about.com/od/faithinpubliclife/a/ObamaReligion_5.htm">http://usliberals.about.com/od/faithinpubliclife/a/ObamaReligion_5.htm</a><br />Who speaks fair mindedly for the victims, embryos (labeled: Made in Thailand, etc.)? What is fair minded about the embryo factories and embryo profits?<br /></div><div align="left">!!! Which of the following exemplifies your worldview for changing the culture? My model for changing the culture is “a Christ of the culture model” or a ”Christ-transforming culture model” or neither of these models.<br /><br />“Do our own homes and our own churches have to become Christian before we can become salt and light in the world?” MR<br />“I think the more we try to be salt and light, seeking a place at the table and all that, we have to be careful because that can lead to compromise. We can make our aspiration fit whatever we think is possible to have accepted by the majority culture. So in that sense I think that the<br />church has to be courageous and has to think about not just what will be accepted by the majority culture, but rather what is faithful to Jesus Christ and what is honoring to God, and in<br />that sense, we have to be prepared to be a minority.” Craig Carter, author: Rethinking Christ and Culture (The interview is provoking.)<br />MARCH/APRIL 2009, MODERN REFORMATION<br /><br />!!! Mary Zeiss Stange, I agree with you and as Albert Mohler knows, there are two views on this subject. <a href="http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2009/03/do-women-have-a.html#more">http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2009/03/do-women-have-a.html#more</a><br /><br /><br />!!! I finished Julia Duin’s book Quitting Church , an excellent read. I liked the quote from Bill Hybels, “What we should have done when people crossed the line of faith and became Christians, we should have started telling people and teaching people that they have to take responsibility to become ‘self-feeders.’ We should have gotten people, taught them how to read their Bible between services, how to do the spiritual practices much more aggressively on their own.” pages 172-173.<br /><br />Yes, becoming “people of The Book”.<br /><br />!!! My good friend lost his job and 3 of my family members and connectors found jobs. Praise and prayer and praise.<br /><br />!!! My great grandson has named me “bebopee”.<br /></div><div align="left"><strong></strong> </div><div align="left"><strong>Here, O My Lord, I See Thee Face to Face<br /></strong></div><div align="left"> </div><div align="left">Here, O my Lord, I see thee face to face;</div><div align="left">Here would I touch and handle things unseen,</div><div align="left">Here grasp with firmer hand th'eternal grace,</div><div align="left">And all my weariness upon thee lean.</div><div align="left"></div><div align="left"> </div><div align="left"> </div><div align="left">Here would I feed upon the bread of God,</div><div align="left">Here drink with thee the royal wine of heav'n;</div><div align="left">Here would I lay aside each earthly load,</div><div align="left">Here taste afresh the calm of sin forgiven.</div><div align="left"></div><div align="left"> </div><div align="left"> </div><div align="left">This is the hour of banquet and of song;</div><div align="left">This is the heav'nly table spread for me:</div><div align="left">Here let me feast, and, feasting, still prolong</div><div align="left">The brief, bright hour of fellowship with thee.</div><div align="left"></div><div align="left"> </div><div align="left"> </div><div align="left">I have no help but thine, nor do I need</div><div align="left">Another arm save thine to lean upon:</div><div align="left">It is enough, my Lord, enough indeed;</div><div align="left">My strength is in thy might, thy might alone.</div><div align="left"></div><div align="left"> </div><div align="left"> </div><div align="left">Mine is the sin, but thine the righteousness;</div><div align="left">Mine is the guilt, but thine the cleansing blood;</div><div align="left">Here is my robe, my refuge, and my peace,</div><div align="left">Thy blood, thy righteousness, O Lord my God. (Horatius Bonar 1855)<br /><br />Eutychus </div><div class="blogger-post-footer"><img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7898701313543890712-7537420174016031199?l=conversation.acwi-online.org'/></div>Eutychushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02189956154099856779noreply@blogger.com0