Piet's will to pow(D)er

Kaminsky exit Myers' list

2006-01-19T01:41:00.000-08:00

Kaminski's exit

Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2006 21:41:35 +0800 From: "Max"

Peter, Cheers to John

I thought I was the only one and perhaps not smart enough - My selective mind
has not managed to discover the interest and value either and I feel also that
you over did it...

In older days you brought a variety and you where less anti-Semitic.... There is
no value in Antisemitism and it does not improve our situation.. I over read all
Middle Eastern opinionating...

I also don"t see your concept and purpose... What are you learning out of mails
like those for your book? Whats the title of your book and how do you fit those
mails into it...? Hope you recover soon again...

Reply (Peter M.):

Kaminski, on his departure, called me "a Jewish apologist".

You congratulate him, but, instead, call me "anti-Semitic".

For the record, I reject categorisations of whole groups of people on the basis
of birth. I recently unsubscribed from a list which disparaged blacks as a
group. Yet I don't mind "holocaust denial" in the sense that I think debates
about history should be unfettered.

I have argued that "being a Jew" is a matter of choice - of subjective
identification - and this is something that can change over time. There are
ex-Jews, but simply becoming an atheist, or even a Christian, does not make one
an ex-Jew. There is an atheistic form of Judaism, and Jews in the past have
adopted Christianity outwardly whilst not inwardly.

But I'm not pushing Christianity. What is it, anyway? Since the time the Church
baptised the Vikings as Normans, it's been an adjunct of militarism and
property.

I don't care whether Shamir is a Jew or an ex-Jew, or a bit of both. He's open -
that's the best thing about him. He provides sufficient information about
himself for one to argue all positions about him. A "holocaust agnostic" who
calls Rabbi Abraham Zacuto "a Judaeo-Iberian sage"! How to make out such a man?
People obviously have trouble making me out too. I value Shamir, but we have our
disagreements.

Jews substantially control the intellectual life of the United States, shaping
the thoughts of the populace and the news which reaches them. In Europe, one can
be imprisoned for questioning "holocaust" orthodoxy. Jewish lobbies have been in
the vanguard of the push for wars in the Middle East.

You turn a blind eye to such facts; your email bulletin is innocent of them.
Perhaps if you mentioned them, your readership would fall away.

But I don't care about readership; I don't aim to maximise numbers. All I care
about is quality. I'd rather have only one reader, than bend to pressure.

Don't misunderstand me - I'm not disparaging your email bulletin. The issues
I've seen are quite good; I'm not suggesting you change it, but simply defending
my own.

I don't mind Kaminsky's leaving. Perhaps he'll come back one day. I'm not upset,
I don't feel like calling him names. On the contrary, his reaction showed that
our discussion had touched something very important.

miscellaneous surfage (34 link post)

2005-12-21T09:58:00.000-08:00

http://herbfarmer.net/

heinzism.zzn.com/ weirdass but comic cult

http://risingfromruin.msnbc.com/2005/11/meals_and_dance.html beatiful page on New Orleans

http://newswire.indymedia.org/nl/2005/12/829706.shtml
catmancohen.com musician activist

http://news.pacificnews.org/.d In Defense of Ward Churchill: A Legacy of Scapegoat-Ism Youth Commentary, H. Mathew Barkhausen III, Pacific News Service, Mar 02, 2005

hprcc.unl.edu/nebraska/june2004hastings-mammatus.html Spectacular Mammatus Clouds over Hastings, Nebraska -- These photos were taken by Jorn Olsen, .. .. . pouch clouds - awesome!!!!

This whole sight has just my taste in scenery, Nebraska is beautiful.

Northanger found the link here: deepfun.com/weblog/2005/12/visual-delight.html

hprcc.unl.edu/nebraska/photo-gallery.html more here .. .

my favorite set for the year 2005: hprcc.unl.edu/nebraska/august2005photo.html

www.folkalley.com/archives/000598.php An exclusive Folk Alley recording of the Dust Poets! (Kent State folk fest)

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/shamireaders/message/634
excerpt: blogger.com/profile/15664804 Fat Old Jewish Guy Who Lives In The Projects said... I'm going to post an excellent item by Paul Eisen about this whole "Holocaust thing."
www.righteousjews.org/article10.html
Sue Blackwell said... Eugene please do not give space on your excellent blog to Holocaust revisionists like Paul Eisen and his soulmate Israel Shamir. They do no favours to the Palestinians, and by suggesting that all Jews are Zionists of one sort or another Eisen is insulting all those Jews who genuinely oppose Zionism - which apparently includes yourself. I have a whole page about these people at: www.sue.be/pal/nazis.html (piet: noted before; Sue threw a bunch of fellow wayfarers off her linklists since 'they condone and understand violence to citizens'. I wonder if she considers placing the Holocaust in perspective a form of denial?).

http://simplyjews.blogspot.com/

www.indybay.org/news/2003/03/1583823_comment.php#1789482 Pictures of 23 year old ISM activist Rachel Corrie -- crushed by an Israeli bulldozer (939 comments)

www.israellycool.com/blog/_archives/2005/4/7/561171.html short short item on Shamir -- categorical links here: Uberblogs (lgf as one of four), Where Credit is Jew (a whole jewslew of them)

http://peacepalestine.blogspot.com/12/american-council-on-middle-east-policy.html -- Av goes nuts over Alison Weir, an advisory board member and keeps ranting which takes up the bulk of 56 comments in a mere 24 hours - - - Iby is making rather heavy weather of the well known Ha'avara Agreement between the Nazis and the Zionists - since he obviously couldn't bring himself to read Lenni Brenner, he might try reading Francis Nicosia or Edwin Black on the same subject.
Rowan Berkeley 12.10.05 - 8:56 pm #

then he goes on claiming hasbara manuels are written by Nazis and Rowan posts this in reply: www.litek.ws/aaargh/fran/livres5/wujshasbara.pdf

opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110002016 (WSJ division):
The Cynthia McKinney Fan Club by JAMES TARANTO
A few weeks back, the Indepundit blog carried a very amusing send-up of Democrats.com's "We Believe Cynthia" campaign, which backs Rep. Cynthia McKinney of Georgia, who charged President Bush with having had foreknowledge of the Sept. 11 attacks. "I have decided to focus my energies on supporting this noble effort," Indepundit wrote, and proceeded to catalogue McKinney's various outrageous statements since the war began.

Not to be outdone, an Israeli journalist named Israel Shamir has penned an "Ode to Cynthia."
Here's a sample:
This woman with a name from the love lyrics of Propertius, the delicate Greek poet, who called! himself "a pale knight in thrall of my angry Cynthia," is an all-American figure, brought forth by the spirit of America. The great country does not want to die. In such moments, the land calls for its sons and daughters to step forward to the line of fire. Cynthia heard the call. Support of Cynthia is the ultimate test of love to America, of belief in America's future in the family of nations, as an equal and friendly nation, not as an enforcer for creed of Greed.

It is paramount to rally around her, as the French nobles rallied to Jeanne d'Arc. Whether you are a descendant of African slaves or Muslim immigrants, a son of Confederacy or a Daughter of American Revolution, a freedom-loving Jew or a born-again Christian--it is the time to unite for Cynthia and for America.

This is so over the top that no one could possibly take it seriously. Oops, scratch that--the editors of the Arab News apparently did, running the piece with no evident irony.

picturemaker.safeshopper.com/78/cat78.htm?134 found with "broad and narrow" on images, a commercial and faded version with a story of how it was found in Holland and a different version by Peter N Millward wherein jesus is promoted in South american fashion from the humble place by the side of a brook in the first leg of the gloryjourney to no less than 2 central appearances, the lower one all bloody on the cross, a higher one showing him radiant in white garments to camouflage his cloudy position I guess. abholywear.com/posters/page2.shtml same deal here, even more faded; possible to suggest rarity and jack up the price .. .?

www.aber.ac.uk
www.aber.ac.uk/visual-religion/narrow-way.html - 'The Broad and Narrow Way' (nineteenth century, second half) chromolithograph by Charles Montague designed by Charlotte Reihlan, painted by Herr Schacher

huffingtonpost.com/larry-beinhart/abdication-of-the-artists.. Woodstock artfair spontaneously mum on politics (HfPo-Beinhart-shortish) sage.wisc.edu/movies/crop376k.mov Animated worldmap of crop-cover since 1700 (QT-short via NatGeo)

http://robotwisdom2.blogspot.com/2005/12/iraqs-fate.html for once the man opens his mouth on target, taking a much needed break from the wonders of nevernotnetland to look at how the goodwill and credit IT has generated are being squandered; sad thing an accurate picture of 6 short lines is, if not unattainable, certainly far from expoundable by the likes of say, China and the European Community.

Sean Paul of the Agonist has written a short think piece http://scoop.agonist.org/story/2005/12/14/125737/49 on Iraq policy that I think is much too... kind. The only 'democracy' we'll accept for Iraq is one where we hold all the cards-- we'll call it democracy when they fight us with ballots not bullets, but no matter which they choose, we'll use whatever weapons we have to, to make sure that things come out our way-- not excluding election fraud and assassination.And we'll stay as long as there's oil that needs protecting-- don't think 2000 dead, think 200,000, over the next 50 years. Don't think $500B, think $500T, because the value of the oil will increase and increase, so we're not going to let anyone take it... no matter who we have to nuke.
aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/news_service..id=10367

aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/news_service/middle_east "Israel Makes the Nazi State Look Very Moderate" 12/14/2005 1:00:00 PM GMT David Duke, an ex-Louisiana State Representative and former leader of the Ku Klux Klan in the U.S. Hearing a lot about the political turmoil that plagues the Middle East region, which the State of Israel plays a central role in, we need to seize the chance and try to stress the great difference between Judaism and Zionism.

www.loc.gov/exhibits/boundforglory/glory-exhibit.html Carnivale without the story line

www.counterpunch.com/cockburn12092005.html Murtha shreds W's latest lies (don't miss) (cPunch-aCock via vBoat)

Jihad vs. McSex - 49 comments -- Jorn Barger's intro: reminder that Islam most fears our porn (HfPo-Majd-looong)
12.10.2005 Hooman Majd
Reading Arianna’s post on the conflict she feels about young girls’ sexuality in the modern age (and how it relates to her teenage daughter) made me think about the issue of how our culture of sex relates to the clash between West and East, or more specifically between Western values and Muslim ones. At first it may seem irrelevant to the issue since it’s an American discussion, but if Americans, enlightened...

http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/..027391.html "Actually, the original orgin of the Hustling the Left site was a major controversy involving Larry Flynt discovering progressive politics andattempting to give some support to an antiwar protest group called Not In My Name last year. A news reader/antiporn feminist at KPFK/Pacifica LA Radio named Aura Bogado took real umbrage to that, and launched amongst her Sister antiporn activists a bitter public campaign against Flynt and his mag, citing all the usual cries of racism, misogyny, and even pedophilia (one of Hustler's cartoonists was once charged and convicted of abusing his Daughter though the conviction was dropped on appeal)."

--- wow, after going to hustlingtheleft and seeing the cartoons reproduced on the front page (and seeing what MickeyZ looks like right at the top) I am not suprised such a charge would arise. An imagination THAT lively would raise interest in proving almost never unfounded suspicions that it takes one to know one; I know exactly what that feels like . .. .long live homeopathic dosage I'd say.

Dennis Claxton (well, ... younowho though later that week vividly denied in a post at http://blog.pulpculture.org) cites alternet.org/story/29608/ : The California study, "The Impact of Legally Inappropriate Factors on Death Sentencing for California Homicides, 1990-'99," found that 80 percent of executions in California were for killers of whites, though non-Hispanic whites make up just 47 percent of all Californians, according to the 2000 U.S. Census. Those who kill whites are more than four times more likely to be sentenced to death than those who kill Latinos, and over three times more likely to be sentenced to death than those who kill African-Americans.

some bitches get me in stitches (chuckle alert)

2005-12-09T04:47:00.000-08:00

http://people.tribe.net/polybi first dark toned .net tribe I see (of course I stay away from this microshaft bastion)

metalwarfare...pornography_of_death1.jpg

blog.pulpculture.org/2005/12/07/cute-nipple-clamps/

http://ausley.blogspot.com/ Well said bitch. Whats so wrong with a little objectification?

I go:
well damien, I'll tell you what 's wrong with a 'little' objectification. It's too LITTLE!!!!

Or too big depending on which way around the mirrorEversion you like to argue, focusing on and magnifying a little detail that should be a consequence of champion- and courtship, the crown on a who' lodda succesful teamwork is cheap and disastrously short circuntree cut short and down.

A stark example at the top of your very own page right now!!!! A female body in the middle of . .. what? nothing, a stark glary waste white frigidity (to make her stand out or to cut her out and into the gaze as her last and only recourse . . .so she better behave and be properly seductive?????

Where are the pictures of women having fun and looking like they are embedded and comfortably ensconced in as well as own their surroundings as far as the eye reaches?

Where are the little queens of the communesteads able to pronounce on matters of public space and politics from a provably independent vantage point?????

Where is the mystery no mansland to cross from one such a settlement to the next? What local charm and beauty can we expect from ladies allowed to become 'le puissant riche' if they are screened for individualism by the same judges that make autonomy a dirty word?

ps: box = doos and indeed the 'domme doos' is a euphemism for dumb broad.

Visualizing objects of worship schlepped into the picture spanning a miracle mile, submitted by valiant gallants nestling in it, the more the merryer and more gracefully accepted by the matriarch is an act of visualization or remembrance I can't decide which and i don't think it matters but matriarchy does even it became a victim of it own success(ions).

via the timeisart.com linklist:
astrodreamadvisor.com/free_mayan_readings.html
astrodreamadvisor.com/M_blue_elec_eagle.html yup, that's me alright, helpful links go to the authors http://cosmicircus.com/mayan.htm and to a page with cleansing links, also features jungian quiz, IQ test, mind excercises and lots more

elementalharmonics.com/ (very expensive blue (fancy as hell but not all the links are go yet - started up only last month)

------- http://blog.pulpculture.org/2005/12/08/carnival-of-sex-positive-feminism/

# piet Says:
December 9th, 2005 at 10:38 am --- I nominate this who’ who’ who’! hohoho! holy day season: e-sheep.com/Saturnalia/04.html suivez the green arrow => after 31 they seem to go colourful and brought me many a chuckle already
# piet Says:
December 9th, 2005 at 10:52 am

37 quick loading (pagan) frames in total, written in 1995 and other stories include: ‘rush limbaugh eats everything’ – I guess that means he is an omnivoracist or sumphin, must have been written at a time he was real fat .. . .in page 14 he slaughters a spotted owl. .. .no chuckles this time.. ..

some more Rowan Berkeley quotes

2005-12-02T06:46:00.000-08:00

haloscan..andy8/..544/
andy8 = xymph's moniker I gather:

"As Bush comes under still more pressure from his regime's flaws, the american/global ruling class will be tempted to re-vitalize the frenzy christian antimosaism in order to gain popular support for cutting the ties with Israel and getting more sympaty from the peoples around the world's last oil wells."

-- aha, anemone, now you're cookin with gas. I have been saying this for yonks. As Wayne Madsen reported yesterday, the US DoJ is being rearranged to insulate the White House from the neocons. All that has to happen now is for the word to go out from the Council for National Policy that the resistance of zionism to christian evangelisation (e.g., the Israeli law preventing the International Christian Embassy in Jerusalem from proselytising) is responsible for the divergence between zionist and american foreign policy (e.g. the israeli arms industry working for china, venezuela, etc. against state dept wishes) and bang, Juden Raus.
Rowan Berkeley | 10.23.05 - 2:46 am | #

you think it'll go like that rowen, I think the jewish israeli sympathisers, are too deeply embedded in the united states government to let anything happen to relations with israel.
ian | 10.23.05 - 3:55 am | #

Ian, it sure seems like that if you let the MSM paint the picture, especially the NYT. However, not even the NYT can deny that for the 'Christian Zionists', Zionism is merely a means to an end : its purpose is to provoke the takeover of the Zionist state, and building of the Third Temple where Al Aqsa now stands, by the so-called Anti-Christ. Once this happens, the Christians have no further use for the Zionists except as cannon fodder.
Rowan Berkeley | 10.24.05 - 2:16 pm | #

rickwrites.blogspot.com/2005/11/
now-another-american-nightmare-looms
22 November 2005 --- F*ck The Mentally Disabled And Orphaned And Foreign Kids ...

18 November 2005 -- Now Another American Nightmare Looms; Chemical Experiments On Children ...
organicconsumers.org/epa6.cfm 37th comment: piet said...

typical, the alef list pulls up their collective nose pretty much unanymously for the likes of Israel Shamir, along comes some stuff supporting his arguments, check this thread called 'ringworms of the mind'
http://list.haifa.ac.il/.8799

11:17 PM

newsdissector.org/blog/2005/
your-letters-and-books-of-interest/ 23rd of november: Of course this is the last and blatant lie possible at the end of a crime, a perfectly diametrical denial of reality and sequence; first you use all sorts of hyped expensive stuff, then you pay with rising deformation rates, turn this right side up again and you'll see truth can be held, saved and received instead of spilled into the digital sewers to induce hopelessness, despair and longing for the apocalyps even.

another sample of the left's blindspot

2005-11-16T01:55:00.000-08:00

another indymain newswire item purporting to speak for the ban-lieueurs, palestine and everybody else in thrall to the clumpiness of bigger monies.

A World Infernoa From paris to Baghdad to Shanghai to Rio...
Marcel 13 Nov 2005 21:43 GMT ttp://mib.ouvaton.org MOUVEMENT DE L'IMMIGRATION ET DES BANLIEUES (a uninteractive tiny website)

"escalate the violence"? ---- I go: why not voluntarize it? Sad and telling that the thing the left noticed most about the right (an aspect that disturbs them enough to keep harping on it, righteously associating 'the right' with holocaustics in perpetuity) is exactly the stuff they're all too willing to indulge in themselves (who's gonna trust them to not go for the industrial strength versions (rather than the cheap and lazy ass match and molotov) once/if/when they do succeed in directing the sorry show governance has become ever since the difference in fast low trust very hard money (dangerous from beginning to end; mining to stored in/as big backer hoard) and the soft, lightfooted, consensus based, elegantly fluttering, artful and contract kind.

You all lefties just don't know your history. Try Peter Myers if you want to understand why left and right are mirror images of each other, polarized postions robbed of all but fitfull dynamics.

The type of leftism worse than religious delirium

2005-11-15T10:48:00.000-08:00

http://newswire.indymedia.org/en/2005/11/827810.shtml
More on French Riots, from MIB (Mouvement de l’immigration et des banlieues)
MIB 12 Nov 2005 22:00 GMT --
"It is all too easy to give a lesson in civics and to point
the finger at the 'scum' or the 'savages', thus throwing them to
populist vindictiveness. And this strategy is all too profitable."

I go: ooaahhh, indhe a good liddulleftissss??

first of all, mass media manipulated public opinion is not populism.

you call a mix of calls for justice and mercy (as ever since populism is balance once you tally the flavors all up and set them off against each other; just like all race gender and class divisions run a gamut) 'vindictive'?

Whaddo you call poisoning the air all the way to hollland for cries ache?
yeah!!! I smelled your fucked up riot and felt quite oppressed by the violent non-greenness of it all as far away as that. I'd like to hear about all the wonderful yet obstructed initiatives to autonomize and keep 'ban-lieueurs' busy learning something (going out on organic farms as wwoofers and all that*) before I believe they anything drastic was necessary and the fact they had to use fire tells me they are all spoiled lazy bastards cause fire is the poor man's substitute for power.

* Go get some saudi money, restore the fertility around and repopulate the southern french (or even better, algerian) derelict and abandoned villages; go ask Ghaddafi, he's wanting to look good, lead africa, and all that jazz.

http://mailman.lbo-talk.org/pipermail/lbo-talk/Week-of-Mon-20051114/024652.html
Wojtek:

So the bottom line is that, indeed, the US left does
not have much to say lately. The more conventional
liberals simply chase after the shadows of the past,
while the more "radical" crowd is really a bunch of
enfants terribles seeking fun and excitement by
pissing off their parents, teachers, and other
authority figures. They all kvetch about the right
and its policies, but offer no credible alternative to
the vision of the right - which while poisonous and
detrimental in the long run, at least sound appealing
to the "medial voter."

================

All of this is true, as far as it goes.

That is, what you describe is undeniable but is not a
comprehensive overview of the situation.

I suggest you pay as little attention as possible to
those you call "conventional liberals" who, indeed,
have less and less of relevance to say regarding our
current troubles (these are the sorts of people, for
Ares' sake, who insisted that 'Bush stumbled but
something had to be done' about Saddam, as if their
fantasies of a
straight-out-of-a-Hollywood-pitch-meeting nuclear
armed Arab madman were terrifyingly true).

Also, the "more radical crowd", (by which you mean, I
guess, those who talk about 'smashing the state'
without having a real world plan for how this might be
accomplished or what comes after the smashing is done)
should be similarly ignored.

The more time you spend in feverish contemplation of
useless words -- for example, nearly the entire post
9/11 output of Hitchens -- the more you spin, like a
dervish, in a self-perpetuating spiral of abyss
gazing.

There are serious people pursuing serious analysis and
action without resorting to nostalgia or fantasy
which, I suppose, are really pretty much the same
thing.

I've decided to seek these people out, acquaint myself
with their works and words and spend as little time as
possible complaining about how awful things are.

Regarding hopelessness...

Zizek, during his appearance on Doug's radio show a
few years back, stated that it was necessary to know
the full extent of your helplessness and lack of ideas
-- to stare this reality squarely in the eyes --
before you could hope to progress.

He went on to say that the West's increasingly broken
social contracts ('behave and most, or at least many,
of you will prosper and enjoy relative freedom from
coercion') will lead to a general crisis that will
produce alternatives -- not all of which will be
pleasant.

Right now, in corners you're not watching, new things
are happening. Some of these new things are
incubating in places you don't care to look such as
components of pop and techno culture.

Others are still very young and need to mature.

The trick is to talk less and listen more for these
faint signals.

.d. http://monroelab.net/

http://exxposeexxon.blogspot.com/

http://www.planetgeneration.org radical multimedia site

from paris, they know their music there as this page proves: http://varttina.calabashmusic.com/
Varttina (meaning spindle) has its origins in 1983, as the project of singers and kantele players Sari and Mari Kaasinen. The original Varttina line-up (15 young girls singing and playing kantele...

good anthropoly blog

2005-11-14T09:06:00.000-08:00

http://savageminds.org/category/public-anthropology/

For Melanesianists 1988 was also a very good year, since we had the two gender books: Gender of the Gift by Marilyn Strathern and What Gifts Engender by Rena Lederman. Both of these books were trying to come to terms with the problems with studying social organization that had plagued Melanesianists for two decades. Briefly, African lineage models didn’t work in the New Guinea Highlands. But then again, by 1988 it was clear they also didn’t fit in Africa (see Kupers 1982 article on Lineage Theory in Annual Reviews of Anthropology). Their focus, along with Roy Wagner (in his less, shall we say, Cosmic Modality) on how how groups are constituted in the act of exchange proved to have all sorts of dividends. Although Partial Connections is maddening to read, it did play a part in the renaissance of kinship studies as “relatedness” that I associate with Janet Carsten (the best place to start is probably Cultures of Relatedness rather than After Kinship). Merlan and Rumsey’s Ku Waru has been particularly important to me as a synthesis of work on social organization in Papua New Guinea that combines Sahlins’s work on structure with this Melanesianist. It also combines one more thing—an interest in language.

One man's Anglosphere ain't = another's

2005-09-28T03:41:00.000-07:00

http://hyperstition.abstractdynamics.org/archives/006458.html Author expresses faith the singularity will propel the anglosphere ahead in such a way it will prolong it's first place among the world's most civil nations ----

"A key argument in favour of the survival of the Anglosphere, to my mind, is the broad range of values generated in a civic context. It allows the development of an "average" set of values that's most suitable for the technological/political situation of the times. What diversity is possible is dictated by the realities of economy, medicine, science, religion, etc. It's no surprise then to find that Elizabethan culture had narrower constraints (though probably no qualitative difference in highs and lows) than our own. In an era of DNA, neuroscience and the posited Technological Singularity, it's entirely predictable that the individual social expressions of the current culture will splinter and appear deeply chaotic or dissolute. And some will appear insane and/or inhuman. The lynchpin however is the capacity to form civic associations between individuals that are not mediated by your state or your parents. And that capacity appears very healthy. Chaotic and mystifying perhaps to older adults but vibrant nonetheless.
you all are familiar by now with my tiresome refrain (unless actually carried out by way of attempted, and assumpted virtue; drop the feint go for the thrust):split splinter n pulverize spaceless poderoso aplenny then let life do the splicin' or we'll be stranded sanded flooded and mudded. "

a man responsibe for thalternativeworship.org/ "The world of alternative worship and emerging church is a complex and fluid network, and any attempt to define sites by category is approximate. Sites may appear in more than one list because they contain a variety of material or functions. Blogs, in particular, combine personal opinion, authoritative writing, debate, resource-sharing, and networking, so it's no surprise that they are at the heart of the emerging church community."

runs this also: http://smallritual.blogs.com/..2005/09/.. 'smashing time at grace' (pulverizing plates in church to draw crowd and pay the rent -

I go: I have written lots on stashes of ashes hidden in rock
and to be mourned much for not/if not/when not being fetched
from the gates of hell and taken to ease compostage task, to see and
synthesize the light organized as a living church no longer
confined to a stone building but contiguous, touching and
seamlessly landscapewide and furthering glory very far. So,
bash that uptight ash and rejoice in this work of the Lord
which he merely mimed being restricted by the highly sterile
and symbolicized times he suffered through.
poetpiet.tripod.com
Posted by: warshipshapecombplocks at September 27, 2005 01:32 PM

In that second alinea of the linked post (to a blog where, as per usual, that offensive way with space is only a click away) the author is trying to say what I did in the first (using waaaay fewer words; a dutch sport ((every stead used to have it's holy of holies never used)) ultra-conservative in the peaceful sense, keeping them from getting ((away)) 'quick' and dirty, like self defense ammunition; the joys one cannot do justice with mere words) but it takes a sharp eye to notice.

by the way, it will be non-anglos who consistentize the english language for one; witness the 452 uses for 'assumpted'

Fanciful multi-layered presumptions about protestant values (attempting to borrow from the real empowdering thing to add force to the fable) of diversity (not really derived hither thereby nor driven thither therefrom) supposedly catalyzing some sort of vaguely splendogloriously coronating singularity aside, what is being professed here? No fessin' up to a lack of green slumless cities in the old United Kingdom right? No imperialist and supremist smog production spotlighted here. No mobility and concommitant costly 'remotage' dependency crash looming warned about right?

I climbed onto the shoulders of Julius Hensel in the 80s and am doing the best I can to attract attention to an in detail very different (Hensel thought the world was a mere 5000 years old) but in essence similar (though aeon spanning) exegesis of the unseemly and most unassumingly seamless 'matters of course', the longer than long lag and haul, the eminently intra-terrestrial, the heavy heave and high hope credit dispensary mechanism. Once again I will try splayn to you how this inexhaustible slow release consistency can be such a simple, in our face and ageless wonder that the fact we (wo)manage to ignore it is a sin even more miraculous.

Opening and 'dispursing' the types of rock that prove to contain key components for the establishment of true diversity (as far as the latter isn't synonymous for complete absence of degenerate anthropods, a situation that is very rare these days)

1 = halts well short of being pushover easy, a hurdle and threshold that is or is not about to give (not just a Bouter, unless he remains deeply depressed for lack of ((rapidly (((enough))) growing choice of choice)) partners) new meaning to the term fit(-in)ness

2 = is not enough to turn a sordid situation into heaven as if by magic and on command, it merely initiates processes which are fairly slow (yet nonetheless very sure) to show a return for our trouble (though I always like to repeat the slow but perceptible electrolysis of water to form fresh oxygen ((puddlebubbles in the sun)) example, a popperer than popperian experience; in any case, present day conceptions of 'overdonderende' ((jovian)) songyulayriddey remain stoopitly and stubbornly mum about those very to better day way giving ways and the rewards, as do rocks themselves).

3 = is never impossible, nor do they become or stay too exclusively impenetrable and cryptic for too long though over the course of a few generations those affected by niggardly nugatoriness might have and use reason to utter oncological complain. In short, there is no valid reason why soon as possible ain't good enough an even much better than some other time to go for smooth and single, selfless, yea even singularly selfless mud .. . we should be so lucky .. . to mug a cupfull of shapelessly golemic representation for unnamable unknowable substrates and conditions of divined abundances .. .

.. . .. on to the language game theory; can't wait to break out my old Joyce the adieu todew todelewdjew alc-addled muddlehead file.

unposted:
found the following (anglospherelevant sites) following (member)links at the selfsufficentish(.com) forum --- caution, even here one can't get away from christ lovers, bibles and false beleaf: web-den.org.uk/cgi-bin/wulfblosxom and http://smallritual.blogs.com/ - not sure I could enter a community with them ((unless they recognize me as a legit messenger (((see Jose, I am like you or are you like me? Is this town big enough for the both of us?))) which isn't bloody likely to happen)) no matter how nice the places Arche and such ((communes)) have settled into --- (itself one of 6 such ((see below)) listed here: judyofthewoods.com/interactive.html).

from judy's place I cascaded into:
konsk.co.uk/design/largpics.htm 3 large pics covering same ground treated to/with permaculture principles at 86, 89, 91 (not a cheering sight to the incurable sunworshippers)

http://forum.downsizer.net/ nice and beatifully busy (mental note to self: must explore this soon and it's high time every body who, like me, has felt the need to get local embeddiment on a substantially and sufficiently enough communitarian basis, did just that. Mobility will be in a great big crisis soon enough (except for the real fascists of course, having a (CANNON)ball (or two) ensconcing themselves close to 'their' beloved resources.

ecoforums.com sorta flopped

http://forum.rivercottage.net/ smallholderforum that works pretty OK (several threads approaching and one topping 10.000 posts, very focussed on practical matters, not even the seed exchange threads are lively ((15 posts)))

http://humanbeaner.blogspot.com / a vegan
http://fluffymuppet.blogspot.com / a real compost artist
http://allotment.humanlint.com/ a plotholder's (ugly) blog (with a ((mostly)) good set of links)
http://sca21.wikicities.com Sustainable Community (via Balsall Heath Jungle (a nursery in Birmingham)
lsssc.org.uk/ Lincolnshire Smallholding & Self-Sufficiency Club
acountrylife.com/.. 8 welsh acres (with a house) for half a million euro is def. cheaper than any dutch ground (where you just can't get away from the meddlesome and wether you like them or not pricey 'services' enough to lower cost of life that far)
mrsl.forumsplace.com / toward a handmade life for the new century 33304 posts, 158 members
green-trust.org/forum/index.php a restarting one with no obvious links to (hacked) history
candlepowerforums.com/vb/ very many posts on alternative ways to generate electricity (100.000 posts in the homemade thread and it's only one of three; the others are well past that ((mile))post((number)))

Worldwide links - Eliminate Hunger:thrive.org.uk greenthumbnyc.org yesmagazine.com/article.asp?ID=576 communitygarden.org permaculture.org.uk camphill.org.uk neemfoundation.org treesforlife.org livingnutrition.com carbon.org growingsolutions.com emnz.com acresusa.com growbiointensive.org tilth.org naturewise.org.uk echonet.org biodynamic.org.uk healthmasters.com wattsgardenclub.org seattle.gov/neighborhoods/ppatch seattletilth.org greengridroofs.com ecoroofsystems.com miller-roofscapes.co.uk zinco.de

Organic Farming will Feed the World: HTTP:// melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2005/06/92739.php

Organic Technology for Gardeners and Farmers:
http://melbourne.indymedia.org/news/2005/06/92738.php
Waste not, Want Not:
wormwoman.com zeri.org oceanarks.org wolvertonenvironmental.com emtech.org bokashi.co.nz ..

Allotments UK:
organicallotment.co.uk allotments-uk.com allotments4all.co.uk/index.php HTTP:// www2.eng.cam.ac.uk/~tpl/allotmentkids.html

Community Supported Agriculture (CSA):
www.cuco.org.uk/index.php?page=3

GROWER'S BLOGS
http://anythingbutsprouts.blogspot.com
http://perrone.blogs.com/horticultural
http://perrone.blogs.com/horticultural/
mytinyplot.co.uk/
http://theseedsite.co.uk/

Can Cyndi Sheehan prove Ward Churchill wrong?

2005-08-29T14:20:00.000-07:00

She certainly matches up to him when it comes to conveying a keenly felt burden of grief, at least to me, except hers is more personal (less burdened with knowledge) but that is why can Americans can take her easier . . .besides, hopefully, ease the task she took on. Bush is a creep and that Americans are so blind to this fact tells you much about what they care to 'Nozi' about/in/for themselves.

http://hyperstition.abstractdynamics.org/archives/006199.html
Back at the old thread on worldwar four programming:

Pacifism as Pathology: Notes on an American Pseudopraxis --- Ward Churchill ----

" . .. .they offered virtually no physical opposition to the consolidation of the Nazi State. To the contrary, there is strong evidence that orthodox Jewish leaders counseled "social responsibility" as the best antidote to nazism while crucial political formulations such as the zionist Hagana and Mossad el Aliyah Bet actually seem to have attempted to co-opt the nazi agenda for their own purposes, entering into co-operative relations with the SS Jewish Affairs Bureau, and trying to use forced immigration of Jews as (page 33) a pretext for establishing a "Jewish homeland" in Palestine. www.oxygensmith.com/~arc/readings/pacifismaspathology/pacifism-3.pdf shows up 64th looking for "SS Jewish"

sd, no, not 'up my sleeve' but certainly plenny relevant stuff sprinkled throughout my site (gliberally I admit); I don't feel called upon to fingertiptapspoonfeed you with it here, so let's see how far your 'love to see it' goes and comes; you might dig (for) it . .. you need not; dig?

ps: perhaps the zionist initiative was parralel to and maybe even the antecedent/innoculant that started the whole sick Nazi epidemic (shem and shaun; cheggen Q); Ward C certainly makes a mistake when he suggest the ghettos came about bycause of the Nazis unless you wanna give them very old roots indeed.

My regular reading schedule just happens to have crossed cited passage yesterday and I must say, the whole book makes more sense than I suspected it would judging from reviews (workingforchange)and polemics (Carol Moore) against it when it came out.

as far as links not working sd, for one I didn't bother to take the google spaces out here (but did for my blog)

for two, I wouldn't stick them up here if I hadn't been able to get there and find them noteworthy somehow.

You wrote: So European Jews were complicit with their own annihilation?

me: Allow me to quote from the Ward Churchill book I posted some more:

" .. . . when states perceive their international power positions eroding, or simply undergoing substantial external threat.125 Invariably, such circumstances entail the identification (i.e., manufacture), targeting, and elimination of some internal entity as the "subversive" element undercutting the "national will" and purpose. At such times the state needs no, indeed can tolerate no hint of, domestic opposition; those who are "tainted" by a history of even the milder forms of "antisocial" behavior can be assured of being selected as the scapegoats required for this fascist sort of consensus building. 126

While the precise form which might be assumed by the scapegoating involved in a consolidation of North American fascism remains unknown, it is clear that the posture of the mass nonviolent movement closely approximates that of the Jews in Germany during the 1930s. The notion that "it can't happen here" is merely a parallel to the Jewish perception that it wouldn't happen there; insistence on inhabiting a comfort zone even while thousands upon thousands of Third World peasants are cremated beneath canisters of American napalm is only a manifestation of "the attitude of going on with business as usual, even in a holocaust."127

Ultimately, as Bettelheim observed, it is the dynamic of attempting to restrict opposition to state terror to symbolic and nonviolent responses which gives the state "the idea that [its victims can] be gotten to the point where they [will] walk into the gas chambers on their own."128
And, as the Jewish experience has shown for anyone who cares to look the matter in the face, the very inertia of pacifist principles* prevents any effective conversion to armed self-defense once adherents are targeted for systematic elimination by the state. " --- page 76 from Pacifism as Pathology

You again:They started it? It was all part of a cunning plan which would obviously end with the creation of the state of Israel?

Well I'm so glad that's all cleared up. Thanks Piet.

All catalytically triggered processes are/have effects which diverge greatly from the state, substance and intent of the proverbially unmoved movers who are usually a minuscule portion of and minutely diverging version from some huge mass (zionism and messianism vs jewishness is as terrorism vs islam??); to generalize about this like you do is incorrect (no matter how much it may be considered wise by affirmative activists or otherwise politically motivated equality idealists).

Some of these effects may be calculated to rebound catalytically, thus a sort of reciprocal feed and further for substance, quantity and intent/intensity of initiating catalyst starts aforementioned effects to enter vicious circle with latter results at such speed and to such an extent that the whole ball of cheggen wax loses (in)sight of beginning and end until the fuel is spent.

Ward writes: " .. .inertia of pacifist principles .. ." -- I am going to argue that his stubborn refusal to as wax eloquent about the potential of those principles, not to mention their application, no matter how ever farther apart and fewer between they seem to be getting all the while, as he is (only too) willing to go on (and on) about the drawbacks (without mentioning that his line of reasoning implies total and utterly unreasonable hegemony that will only wither from being fought to exhaustion ((the terrorist meme))) proves him to (probably willy nilly) be an agent of the right and that's the main reason they have trumpeted his alledged subversion so clear, loud, far and widely.

His is in fact, alas, the more realist reprentation of reality on the ground. It is however never ever time for a last stand or desperate last resort measures unless you rule out the realm of possibilities (the true motor of all the ongoing fresh beginnings from the humblest speck of dust on up and beginning with squatting more than anything, ideally followed up speedily by 'ingratiatory embeddiment' in the neighbourhood, success in the local legislature; legalization and graduating to the sort of support and nurture than works little miracles like the one I started my examples out with, my favorite; the oldest and only way for heaven to take root on planets). Modeling is all the rage in this day and age; nothing happens any more without model making, rehearsing and simulation. In as far as Ward interprets and represents the left accurately (forgetting what he leaves out for a minute) he shows and relentlessly, mercilessly emphasizes and mirrors their weakness, gives voice to the obsession with sordid sides and facets of reality besides the disinclination and near complete inaptitude of presenting a jocularly infectious form of 'voorpret' (anticipatory pleasure). BUT that does make it all the more urgent to emphasize there isn't enough 'don't just count, take a chance with y our blessings' type of creativity about in the only way that counts, offer a sample to which nothing comes close. Utopian forces, unite.

Ward is a nice change from the usual 'open spaces for potential to sprout up and blossom blahblah blah' type rhetoric but to fall short of 'm is as bad as overshooting your goals. I am still convinced that unless you dramatize the 'right idea', nobody will follow up and actually begin alternatives, let alone work on a chance to change and outgrow all the bad stuff. I fancied animating a few little epic and organic videos in the eighties, nobody has taken me up on that yet. The folks that got a giant grant that could go some way toward it aren't up to it (yet): www.seercentre.org.uk

To the extent govts disallow establishment of non-profit oriented squats, let alone the swift legalization thereof (rather than the current practice of ceding right of way to swifter kinds of money to displace them) people like Churchill become more believable, relevant and correct. A completely avoidable pity.Northanger links to an Indian tribe starting back up from scratch mnisose.org/profiles/ponca.htm around this time.

9 Sample pages from Leah Kelly's last book: arbeiterring.com/pdf/imov_sam.pdf -- She was Ward's wife who had an in the end terminal abuse related alcohol demons in her soul; his description of his struggle with them is gripping and heartrending:

Dark Night Press / Print: Residential Schools » ...Written by Ward Churchill, published 11/1/2001 // ... express theprofundity of the sorrow I’ve incurred in the destruction of Leah Kelly… ...- 167k darknightpress.org/index.php?i=print&article=6

monies, mystics and marksmen

2005-08-24T10:46:00.000-07:00

proteinwisdom.com/index.php/weblog/entry/18880/
This post concerns Pat Robertson's Fatwah over Chavez
A commenter there brings up the Protocol canard;

I go: look, 'jews' are the more ventursome part of the semitic family, 'one' of the wishyest washyest of races bycause pretty much most of those that went 'stellar' (massive((ly numerous))) are rather mongrelized at the edges (if not the very core; which certainly seems to facilitate the clean consciousness, different drum, terra nullius types). Unrestrained pride regarding the 'guarantees'* for demographic prowess '(be)gets that (way) more than most.

The premises of a-S are non-valid cause 'jews' don't 'plan' stuff so much as they simple and implicitly make selfexamination on certain levels taboo. They 'are'** pretty damn unreflective and spontaneous, not to say impulsive or even reactionary type folk (they have a nose for . ..eh . . springboards that help set themselves apart the furthest, roam the widest, cover the most, etcetera. It comes with the ((pursuit of)) territory).

The present retreat (ingathering) is laudable and deserves all the help it can get and that's why I try perfect penning my pieces again and again, that is to say compose them with such hopelessly complex density that it becomes a true mirror for what happens in the 'holey' (hold out, hollowed) and surrounding lands.

Yall 'jews' have nothing to feel guilty about, ya should be welcome everywhere; the arabs in holland france and everywhere will welcome you (who are happy to relieve demographic pressures in fundamentalism's breeding grounds, both sides of that infamous 'line' by the way; see the Pynchon scholarship that ends with these lines: "Pynchon has used language to project a world where everyone talks to God, and to each other. Perhaps it's not too much to hope that in our own world, some closr listening to the fabulists and counterfeiters, Ballad-Mongers and Cranks, whose inclusive motto might well be omnia in verba, would foster more healthy skepticism toward Lines, and less toward whatever lies on either side of them." - www.columbia.edu/~wbm1/snovian.html - 57k; don't try to share an already way too long and way too hotly contested chunk of land with your own but share the world with everybody else!).

------All bright prospects cast a shadow, one kind in particular remains all the more shadowy cause they, deserts, creep without casting them in your face enough to be alarmed (unless you are fortunate enough to be inclined and have the means to sharpen your wits on those subtleties - most americans remained oblivious of the century long holocaust at their expanding periphery); I think zionism's ideas of regreening the deserts are great and it's time we help them match their ecological footprint* to their impact and not get side tracked into .. .well .. we all know the horror stories .. .

------down with semitilitary patrism and slily secretive pahchutz; stop the motor of antropocentric desertification; permacultivate! pleach! down with holy books, up with live leaves!

------My grandmother was one of the most beautiful half assimilated dutch jewesses you'll ever see; I love them sorts of people but am not part of them so much as to lose all ability to be critical of this input for and part of my geneticocultural baggage.

'are'**1: Replace 'are' with 'tend to gravitate to', 'are inclined to' or any number of such tone downs, fact remains that ethnicities have undeniable and differently weighted characteristics and cultural traits some of which are even unique and unshared if not unsharable. The more common ones work both ways (when you're a major league player you get granted a game with the champs and met halfway).

--------You want hi returns without scruple or shame, no troubled consciousness, no blame? We've got just the right investment opp here for you: the arms industry!!!! -- You all wanna call in the American full employment miracle? Be my guest and the earth's until we blow you off our backs in unison. I'm prepared to take her lead while she still has any of the good humoured stuff left, are you?

'are'**2: When it comes to searching for transgenerational and collective motives (semites seem to prefer getting lost in those, that is, be well buffered with brood as a tangible measure and confirmation of their success and earned privileges), extent and flavor of collaboration, etcetera semites are reflexive rather than reflective; Freud helped obscure this field of enquiry by placing emphasis on individual aspects at the expense of them. Once you declare the scary depths off-limits, too powerful to probe without backlash, hold them at armslenght for awhile, they will grow, fuse and fill all space with all that is too holy and unspeakable, nonpronouncable and what have you. Meanwhile, your very own worst characteristics will hide, find refuge and do (from) business there, etcetera.

------------------You may be aware that some people lately saw fit to declare Marx most important philosopher. It might repay our efforts to flesh out what he merely said too cryptically and abbreviatedly to sink in (or else all this tiresome confusion would be gone by now), namely that, and I paraphrase: in as far as we deal with money we are all capitalists and jews now. He omitted the vital specifications that would help differentiate between facilitatory and parasitic types of social traffic lubing money. The centralized sort that has even just about managed to do away with the distinction between state and open market money (feminine types geared to the satisfaction of immediate and intimate needs, non-profit and local vs the fast boy high risk stuff that have in the past managed to keep each other honest as long as there is some naturally incremental standard that keeps pace, I would suggest using ((regional)) photosynthesis rates and diversities figured into basic indexed commodity baskets* ((voluntariness not to mention volutarization factored in)) for that soon).

Settle down man, you gettin me upset

2005-08-09T07:05:00.000-07:00

Playing cowboys and injuns without or only half realizing the losers are really gone is no problem for a kid destined to be a trodden and looked down on underdog, it sharpens the eye for those who think they can cheat the lottery and aim for a winning ticket; last night 2 dutch girls who are gonna be jewish as soon as possible and meantime milked by the rabbi who'll send them to support the settlers again when they scrambled for enough money to go again, were asked by one of the sharpest interviewers Holland has (sharp features too) if they didn't feel like they were entering a sect . ... .. .. ..

Anyway I wrote about all this settlement business as distraction from the more and more global reach zionism has and aims for really .. . hell, these girls were convinced ziomyth no. 1 about regreening the deserts is the truth!!!!!! How naive can you be?

I found the following over at www.freewebs.com/plawiuk

http://www.economics.mcmaster.ca/kubursi/ebooks/water.htm Impacts of Water and Export Market Restrictions on Palestinian Agriculture -------- Agriculture remains a dominant sector of the Palestinian economy. It represents a major component of the economy’s GDP, and employs a large fraction of the population. Furthermore, the agricultural sector is a major earner of foreign exchange and supplies the basic needs of the majority of the local population. In times of difficulty, the agricultural sector has acted as a buffer that absorbs large scores of unemployed people who lost their jobs in Israel or other local sectors of the economy. Palestinian agriculture is constrained by available land and water, as well as access to markets. These constraints have been the object of political conflict, as Israeli authorities have limited available land, water and markets.

In 1967, Palestinian agricultural production was almost identical to Israel's: tomatoes, cucumbers and melons were roughly half of Israel's crop; plums and grape production were equal to Israel's; and Palestinian production of olives, dates and almonds was higher. At that time, the West Bank exported 80% of the entire vegetable crop it produced, and 45% of total fruit production (Hazboun, S., 1986). The agricultural sector was hit hard after Israel occupied the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Thereafter the sector’s contribution to Gross Domestic Product (GDP) in the Palestinian Occupied Territories declined. Between 1968/1970 and 1983/1985 the percentage of agricultural contribution to the overall GDP in the West Bank fell from 37.4-53.5% to 18.5-25.4% (UNCTAD, 1990). The labour force employed in this sector has also declined. Between 1969 and 1985, the agricultural labour force, as a percentage of the total labour force, fell from 46 to 27.4% (Kahan, D., 1987).

here's something else and I hope close readers won't mind me repeating it yet again: http://leftcurve.org/LC29WebPages/LC29Toc.html Jeffrey Blankfort: Damage Control: Noam Chomsky & the Israel-Palestine Conflict -- More in issues #27 & #28 --- hey, Ode(.nl) fellas, pay attention here!

Song of the Settlers
by Jessamyn West; supplied by Patti Woodard

Freedom is a hard-bought thing-A gift no man can give,
For some, a way of dying, For most, a way to live.
Freedom is a hard-bought thing- A rifle in the hand,
The horses hitched at sunup, A harvest in the land.
Freedom is a hard-bought thing- A massacre, a bloody rout,
The candles lite a nightfall, And the night shut out.
Freedom is a hard-bought thing- An arrow in the back.
The wind in the long corn rows, And the hay in the rack.
Freedom is a way of living, A song, a mighty cry.
Freedom is the bread we eat, Let it be the way we die!

hey, how do I get stuff off the front page?

2005-08-04T05:25:00.000-07:00

??? . .. ah, under 'formatting' I find the choice offer: 7 days or 7 posts on the main page.
If Days is selected, a limit of up to 999 posts will be enforced.

serious 'repercrushions' of last night's post

2005-08-04T04:57:00.000-07:00

. . .actually, I am not quite sure if they cite the WC file on google only since yesterday and even less clear about why exactly that one .. .. .

'vadercats' gets 694 hits on the 4th of august 2005 -- funny enough, the ones listed that were at the lycos domain are these:

seconden ...members.lycos.nl/vadercats/WardChurchill2.htm - 9k -- yeah, right!!! that is a 170K linkfilled file thank you very much; I am afraid it's too fresh for the archive.org retrieval trick so will have to wait till I situate meself another site some place (I'd like plenny of shade to along with it so I can maintain it in style).

(e)co-operatief capitalisme http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/vadercats/inhoudsopgave.htm naar een 10 tal onderwerpen waarvan een gedeelte by tripod; ...members.lycos.nl/vadercats/bibliografie_en_index.htm - 66k - In cache - Gelijkwaardige pagina's --- ah at least the cache works here .. ..

coming up soon: posts that quote Ulrich von Beckerath, Julius Hensel and the most modest man with an incurable case of rocks to crush: John Hamaker.

ps: yall start posting now!!! .. .. . no congestion/delay at all .. .hardly (though real bad just the other day); I mentioned its recurrence (in additions to my oldest/front page: http://poetpiet.tripod.com) since I started trying out blogger . .. .oh .. . . slightly over a year ago.

An American Holocaust? The Structure of Denial

2005-08-03T10:31:00.000-07:00

Here's a taste of Ward Churchill's scholarship, pretty impeccable prose if you ask me.

As of 1996, the United Nations was estimating that well over 500,000 Iraqi kids under the age of 12 had died as a direct result of a U.S.-imposed and militarily-enforced embargo on things like food, medicine and the materiél necessary to repair the country’s war-ravaged sanitation infrastructure.57 There’s no way to contend that the figures are exaggerated, since no less authoritative and official a spokesperson than Madeleine Albright went on 60 Minutes and confirmed their accuracy, observing that she and her colleagues in the U.S. foreign policy establishment had decided it was “worth the price” in someone else’s children to impress upon their government that there’s a “New World Order” in which “what we say goes.”58 Could Goebbels have put it any more plainly? Could Hitler himself? Actually, approximately the same number of Iraqi adults and children have died as a result of the embargo over the past five years. So, you add it all up and you’ve got well over a million dead—only a couple hundred thousand of whom were military personnel—in a country with a population of 18-20 million, a toll quite deliberately, or at least knowingly inflicted by the United States as a matter of policy.59 The general public has been aware of this for three years, and yet there’s not been a whisper of popular outrage, much less mass protest. Frankly, I attribute a lot of this moral/legal default to the unforgivably self-indulgent approach to issue-framing and organizing adopted by America’s “peace movement” during the 1960s and early-70s.60 But, then, I attribute quite a lot of that to the blinders imposed by their indoctrination in the “one people, one genocide” paradigm which prevented the vast majority from seeing things clearly, and thus from responding appropriately. There are plenty of other recent examples of genocide being met by silence in this country: East Timor, Rwanda, Bosnia,61 and, oh yeah, how about Palestine?

The 1948 massacre of Palestinian villagers at Deir-Yassin was perpetrated by members of Lehi, usually known as the “Stern Gang,” as well as the Irgun.62 Both Lehi and Irgun were straight-up zionist terrorist organizations, and officially classified as such by the British authorities in Palestine from the mid-30s onward.63 These zionist terrorist groups greatly predate the emergence of any others in the area, so those of you inclined to cut some slack to Israel because of “the threat of Arab terrorism” would do well to remember where the Arabs got the idea.64 Hardline zionists like Avraham Stern—he was a fascist, really, enthralled by Mussolini65 —established the template. Of course, it’s always pointed out that Stern’s group, Lehi, was tiny. From that, we’re to adduce that it was unrepresentative of zionism. But, if it was really so unrepresentative, how did one of its leading members, Yitzhak Shamir, end up being elected prime minister of Israel?66 Not much “marginalization” there, obviously. Same with the Irgun. Menachem Begin, who was its head at the very time of Deir-Yassin, was, as we all know, later elected prime minister.67 Far from being unrepresentative of zionism, then or now, these guys—not just the top dogs like Begin and Shamir but the member-ship as well—have been integrated into Israel’s dominant rightwing party, the Likud, since day one.68 You don’t suppose their “terrorist background” might have anything to do with the nature of Israeli policy, do you? Aside from having everything to do with founding the state, I mean. I’ll give one example and then move on. Ariel Sharon, the man most responsible for the Sabra and Shatila massacres, is also a prominent Likud member. His background is a bit different from those of Shamir and Begin in that he was too young to serve in their organizations during the pre-1948 “years of struggle.” He’s a military man in the more formal sense; made his career in the army as a paratroop officer. He didn’t work his way up by excelling at regular military duties, however. His area was “special operations.” He “made his bones,” so to speak, commanding Unit 101, a commando outfit, when it massacred the inhabitants of Qibya, a Jordanian village, in October 1953. That was to “send a message” to the Arabs during a water dispute. In early-54—a time when Israel was supposedly “at peace” with its neighbors—he led the so-called Gaza Raid into acknowledged Egyptian territory, destroying a military installation and murdering about 50 soldiers.69 This was to prompt a response from Egypt that would serve as the pretext for a war in which then-Prime Minister David Ben Gurion was sure Israel would prevail and thereby extend its southern border all the way down to Sharm el-Sheik, on the Red Sea.70 Sharon’s whole background consists of things like this. Like Begin and Shamir, he’s a world class terrorist. So what he did in Lebanon—Sabra and Shatila are only the tip of the iceberg—was right in character.71 There were no surprises there for anyone who knew his history, and how it conforms to the contours of zionist history—or Israeli history—more generally. Only by knowing that history can you be in any position to assess the current relationship between Israel and the Palestinians.

The principle, of course, extends far more broadly. It works like this: the ruling elite in every country in the world aspires to maintain the order upon which its own power and privilege depends by continuously pumping up “national morale,” inculcating among the citizenry a triumphalist notion of what they’ve achieved and the process through which, over time, they’ve achieved it. It’s more complex than what’s usually referred to, wrongly, as “nationalism.” The idea of “patriotism” comes closer, although there are almost always hefty doses of cultural chauvinism—eurocentrism, for instance—and racialist ingredients like white supremacy mixed in. Social constructions of sexual domination, articulated as “virility” or “machismo,” also play a role. In any event, the goal is to always have a critical mass of the population feeling proud of itself in a way that’s at once abstract and deeply personalized, because—this one’s a no brainer—people don’t tend to rebel against the source of their pride.72 This remains true, as a lot of marxist organizers in the U.S. have discovered, much to their dismay, even if the source of pride is objectively the source of things like class oppression. The end product here is by design a public consciousness that is neither objective nor particularly rational. What we’re talking about is what Antonio Gramsci termed “hegemony,” or, more accurately, creation of a “hegemonic bloc.”73 And establishing the hegemonic bloc requires that there be a “master narrative” of history, into which these triumphalist subsets of national narrative can fit.74 Well, it’s a little difficult to construct a triumphalist narrative of a national history that includes commission of the crime of genocide. So genocide must be denied. But how? I mean, it might be plausible to simply expunge the record in certain instances, but overall? Too many facts are known, so denial in its crudest sense, that of simply asserting that “nothing happened,” is unworkable. The trick is therefore to come up with a means of accounting for these inconvenient facts, conceding that “things happened,” but interpreting the “things” themselves as “unfortunate incidents” or “regrettable events”—the word “tragedy” comes up a lot—rather than as genocides.75 This is where the concept of Holocaust uniqueness comes into play for real. The “one genocide, one people” thesis that Jewish exclusivists have done the major work in crafting affords everyone but the Germans the service of taking them off the hook. The Germans must bear “the burden of guilt,” not only for their perpetration of the Holocaust, but for all genocide.76 That’s a heavy load, and an obviously unfair one, although I personally have a hard time feeling sorry for them on this score since they’ve done and are still doing so much to deserve the weight they’re carrying. Besides, they’re compensated rather well for carrying it. So it’s not unfairness to Germany that’s problematic; it’s the exemption of other perpetrator countries from bearing the same burden. And that’s exactly why Holocaust uniqueness/Jewish exclusivism has found such resonance among the world’s ruling elites that it has been embraced as a matter of Official Truth. Official Truth. Once again, I should note that I’m not overstating things for effect. Consider the arrangement between the governments of Israel and Turkey, wherein the Turks will deliver in their schools a curriculum in which children are instructed that the Holocaust, or the Jewish aspect of it at any rate, was history’s only “true” genocide. In exchange, Israeli school children are instructed to believe that the Turkish extermination campaign directed against Armenians from 1914 through 1918 was not genocide. When Armenian Americans approached the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum with the idea of observing a day of commemoration for the million-plus victims of the Armenian genocide, both governments, Turkish and Israeli, intervened with the board to protest.77 And so, of course, the commemoration—which is to say, the public education aspects of any such proceeding—never occurred. Now that’s pretty damned official, wouldn’t you say? So was the policy of the National Endowment for the Humanities in 1990-91, when it was soliciting proposals for public education projects it could fund as part of the planned national celebration of the Columbian Quincentennial in the U.S. The evaluation procedure began with a screening where any proposal in which the word “genocide” appeared was simply removed from further consideration. There’s a delicious little irony involved in this one because it turned out that a bunch of proposals for projects designed to prove that genocide is not an appropriate descriptor of either the “initial encounter” or “Columbian legacy” were arbitrarily weeded out, merely for having mentioned the word. People are always shocked when I mention this one, but I don’t know why. The NEH policy in this case wasn’t especially different from that embodied in the accreditation “standards” imposed with respect to the teaching of history in every public school in the United States. Japan notoriously excludes information concerning its atrocities in China and elsewhere during the 1930s and ‘40s from its public school curricula,78 but, in that, one can find little difference from how the U.S. excludes information about what was and is being done to American Indians. While we’re on the topic of official truth, has anyone considered the implications of there being a museum memorializing the Holocaust in Washington, D.C., and none for the American Indians who were by all accounts eradicated as part of the process of forming this country? And none memorializing the institution of slavery? I’m not saying there shouldn’t be a Holocaust museum. Actually, I think there should, and that it should include Gypsies on an absolutely equal footing with Jews,79 that Slavs should be included as well, and that it should serve as the sponsoring vehicle for commemorating genocides other than the Holocaust (that of the Armenians being only one example).80 But my point is that an institutionalized focusing of the public gaze on a genocide or genocides occurring half-a-world away, meanwhile remaining silent about the holocausts that occurred here, adds up to a calculated diversion of attention. And it doesn’t redeem the situation a bit to observe that the Holocaust museum is only quasi-official. The vacuum against which it’s balanced is very official. I don’t want to be accused of leftwing bias here, especially since I’m not by any stretch of the imagination a leftist, so I’ll note that the record in the socialist countries has been no better. Not “worse,” mind you, but no better. The Large Soviet Encyclopedia, for instance, defined genocide as “an offshoot of decaying capitalism.”81 All the stuff Stalin did to the Ukrainians and others during the collectivization drives of the 1930s was officially described as “criminal”—Khrushchev announced it as such during the mid-50s—but never as genocide.82 That remained by official designation a peculiarly nazi crime. And China? I’ve got a hot news flash for anybody who’s sporting a “Free Tibet” sticker on your bumper. There are a few dozen other nationalities subsumed in what used to be called “Red China,” all of whom are in as bad or worse shape than the Tibetans, and the fact that none of them happens to have developed a spiritual tradition appealing to the Naropa Institute doesn’t make them any less worthy of notice.83 I’d like to build on Santayana a bit. If “those who forget history are doomed to repeat it,” as he observed, then what are we to say of those who are prevented from learning it in the first place? Worse still, how about those force-fed a false history? Being denied the ability to recognize genocides past translates into an inability to recognize genocides present. Inability to recognize the phenomenon for what it is precludes the ability to combat it effectively, and that, in turn, paves the way for future perpetration.84 So, the official silencing and deformation of history we’ve been discussing is not motivated simply by elite desires to infuse the body politic with properly triumphalist outlooks. It’s motivated even more strongly by the desire of those same elites to preserve genocide as a viable policy option, even while they outlaw it in a formal sense and indulge in the loftiest rhetoric condemning it. The way in which the United States recently purported to have finally ratified the 1948 Convention on Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, meanwhile attaching a “sovereignty package” in which it claimed the “right” to be self-exempting from compliance, is a perfect illustration.85

You’d think, in the face of what I’ve been laying out, that somewhere along the line at least one of the major Jewish exclusivists might have had a revelatory experience and come to the conclusion that, “Oh my god, I’ve been wrong, we’ve got a lot in common with American Indians, and it would be in everybody’s interest, my own people’s most of all, if I were to use my standing as a recognized Holocaust scholar to point it out.” But it’s never happened. Not once, that I’m aware of. Quite the opposite. I was talking about silence a few minutes ago, and Lipstadt is a good example of it, but it’s more than that. Steven Katz, for instance, actually took time out from his busy schedule preparing The Holocaust in Historical Context to write a side essay, “The Pequot War Revisited,” in which he contended that the Pequot people of present-day Connecticut suffered “at most, cultural genocide,” because only half of them were physically exterminated during the 1637 “war” conducted against them. Moreover, he concludes, there are still a few people of Pequot descent alive today, so what happened “couldn’t” have added up to genocide.122 No, I’m not kidding. I really wish I were. Katz was way low on the proportion of Pequots killed—Connec- ticut colony declared them officially extinct after the Mystic Massacre, in which about 800 were slaughtered in a single night123—but even if he weren’t, by his own estimate they suffered a proportional fatality rate only ten percent less than that of the Jews during the Holocaust. Should we therefore adduce that Jews, too, experienced “at most, cultural genocide”? That the Holocaust didn’t “really” add up to genocide because there are still “Jewish-descended individuals” like Katz himself living in places like Israel and New York? I’ll spare you my usual commentary about insanity, while nonetheless pointing out that this is an example of holocaust denial, actively so, no less callous than that spewed by the worst of the neonazis.

VI I want to move beyond the exclusivists themselves because in this connection they’re just support troops. The main weight of denial where Indians are concerned is carried by mainstream American historians, like James Axtell at the College of William and Mary, who’s considered the dean of U.S. “ethnohistorians.”124 He’s our David Irving, so to speak. Actually, we’ve got a bunch of Irving look-alikes operating in this area—try Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., managing to win a Pulitzer Prize with a biography of Andrew Jackson that never once mentions the “Trail of Tears,” that is, removal of the Five Civilized Tribes from the Southeast, which I highlighted earlier and which Jackson was instrumental in initiating;125 or Patricia Nelson Limerick’s writing a new, revised and very popular “history of the West” that avoids all reference to such uncomfortable events as major massacres.126

But I want to use Axtell as exemplar, partly because he is, and partly because I can do it anecdotally. Before I go into the anecdote, however, I want to ask what an “ethnohistorian” is supposed to be. I mean what is “ethnohistory”? Sounds kind of exotic doesn’t it? But how do you distinguish it from “history,” per se? History, “real” history, is the history of Europe and its offshoots; white people’s history, as it were. “Ethnohistory,” then, is all the sideline stuff concerning everybody else. But, then, what does that imply? That white folks have no ethnicity? That the term “ethnicity” itself applies only to people with a certain melanin content, and is thus being used as a euphemism for “race”? If so, isn’t the whole procedure of prefixing certain disciplinary subparts with “ethno-” a covert racialist construction, and isn’t “racialist” just a polite way of saying “racist”?127 As for myself, I figure all history is ethnically-oriented, so, either you call the whole field “ethnohistory,” or none of it. Anyway, Axtell is quite happy being described as an “ethnohistorical” heavy-hitter, and, it follows perhaps, he’s always been avid to utilize that peculiar standing in defense of orthodoxy, no matter how illogically. He ran around all over the country during the prelude to the Quin- centennial publicly bashing graduate students for using the term “genocidal” to describe the Columbian legacy, although he himself had already acknowledged five separate genocides as occurring in North America between 1630 and 1765. He was also prone to railing against comparisons of conquistadors to nazis because, in his words, “after all, the conquistadors were human beings and we need to understand them as such.”128 One can only wonder what he thinks the nazis were. Space men? Anyhow, needless to say, there were a few of us out there who were gunning for him in return, and Don Grinde, the Yamasee historian, and I finally caught up with him in public at the American Historical Association conference in 1993. He was conducting a workshop for high school history teachers, running his usual line, when Grinde and I sauntered in and started popping inconvenient questions. Pretty soon, his face looked like a beet and we were embroiled in a demographic argument and the high school teachers’ eyes were getting real big. Finally, in sheer exasperation, he threw up his hands and said something to the effect of, “Fine. Just to end this damned argument, let’s say I accept your contention that there were 15 million people here when the first European arrived. It doesn’t matter. It still wasn’t genocide.” When I asked why, he replied, and this one I can quote verbatim, “Because no matter how many there were, 75 percent of them still died of disease.”129 Now, there’s Smithsonian-style “science” at its finest. He can’t tell you with any certainty how many there were, but he can tell you with precision what proportion died of what cause. This is the cornerstone denier’s position with regard to what I’m going to follow David Stannard and call the American Holocaust.130 Well, Grinde and I just glanced at each other and smiled, because we knew we had him. And Don says, “Okay Jim, just to be fair, let us accept that. So what?” Axtell gets all puffed up like he’s ready to accept another award and delivers his “crushing” blow, speaking as if he’s delivering a lecture to 4-year-olds. “Because nobody can be held responsible for the deaths attributable to disease,” he replies. Now’s my chance, so I say, “That’s funny. Something like half the victims of the Holocaust died of disease, and the Nuremberg Tribunal held that the nazis were as guilty in relation to those deaths as they were for those they shot, gassed and burned alive.”131 Now, he looks a little flustered. “That’s true,” he says, “and I agree with the decision, but you’re comparing apples and oranges.” He got a chorus on that one, not just Grinde and I, but some of the teachers joining in: “How’s that, Jim?” “Because,” he responds, “whatever else can be said of the nazis, they were 20th century men. Even the guards in the camps, who were mostly uneducated, were aware of how disease is communicated. They knew they were forcing people to live under conditions where epidemics would run rampant, and so they were properly held accountable for the deaths that resulted. You simply can’t apply that standard to Columbus, or the conquistadors, or anyone, really, until the end of the 19th century. They had no idea what a microbe was, no scientific understanding of what was happening to the Indians. So, even though they brought in the microbes that caused mass death, they can’t be held accountable for it.132 And to argue otherwise, as you two are doing for your own obviously political reasons, is not to further historical understanding but to preclude it altogether.” There it is in all its glory. The whole rap, succinctly framed, by which American historical orthodoxy has sought to make the virtual disappearance of North America’s indigenous population seem benign. An “inadvertent tragedy,” is the usual term deployed.133 Can you really buy that? Well, let’s interrogate it a little.

Did Columbus, and the conquistadors, and the other Europeans importing pathogens to the New World understand the cause/effect relationship of their conduct, and can they therefore be legitimately seen as culpable? The answer is “absolutely.” How can I know this? Because, as any specialist like James Axtell knows perfectly well, they wrote it down, not once or twice or on occasion, but more-or-less continuously. It’s there in ships’ logs and the reports of expeditionary leaders, in official correspondence and private diaries, in clerical documents and published travelogues. Some bemoan it, others celebrate it, and most attribute it to intervention of the “Hand of God”; but they all agree on one thing: “We come, they die in huge numbers.”134 And what was their collective response to this understanding? Did they recoil in horror and say, “Wait a minute, we’ve got to halt the process, or at least slow it down until we can get a handle on how to prevent these effects”? Nope. Their response pretty much across-the-board was to accelerate their rate of arrival, and to spread out as much as was humanly possible.135

For anyone who might still find the situation too “ambiguous,” I’ll hand you the smoking gun. It comes in the form of an order written in 1763 by Lord Jeffrey Amherst, a ranking official in North America, to a colonel named Henry Bouquet. In it, Amherst instructs Bouquet to invite representatives of a multinational military alliance assembled by the Ottawa leader Pontiac to a peace parlay in the Ohio River Valley. Since the English were doing the asking, Amherst observed, frontier diplomatic protocol required that they bestow gifts upon the Indians who showed up. “Make these,” he instructed, “items taken from a small pox infirmary, in order”—and I’m quoting him directly—”in order that we may extirpate this execrable race.” A couple of weeks later, Bouquet writes back, saying that he’d done as he was instructed, distributing blankets, handkerchiefs and “other sundry items,” and that “hopefully, this will obtain the desired result.”136 It did. Even by the Smithsonian’s low count, somewhere in the neighborhood of 100,000 Indians died of smallpox over the next six months.137

There are a few items worthy of mention in this connection. First, Howard Peckham, longtime president of the American Historical Association, discovered the documents I’m referring to in the British Royal Archive during the mid-1930s, but then proceeded to sit on them for years.138 Second, the “incident” has been described as “history’s first documented instance of biological warfare.” That’s wrong on two counts. On the one hand, it’s well documented that Tamerlane was catapulting the bodies of plague victims into besieged cities in order to spread disease a full century before Columbus (which means that Columbus and his peers weren’t quite so ignorant of how disease is communicated as Axtell would have it).139 On the other, “war” is directed against combatants. Amherst said in so many words that his goal was to “extirpate the race .” So, what we actually have here is history’s first documented instance of genocide attempted by bacteriological means. It’s important not to view what Amherst did as an isolated matter. It wasn’t. It’s simply the best documented. There are several earlier cases, one involving Captain John Smith of Pocahontas fame. There’s some pretty strong circumstantial evidence that Smith introduced smallpox among the Wampanoags as a means of clearing the way for the invaders.140

Over the next century, both the Pequot War and what’s called King Philip’s War were fought in the same area, at least in part because the Indians had become convinced—and, again, there’s evidence to support it—that the colonists were deliberately infecting them, using contaminated trade goods for the purpose.141 I don’t want to leave the impression that this sort of thing happened only in the Northeast, or only at the hands of the English. In 1836, at Fort Clark, on the upper Missouri River, the U.S. Army did the same thing as Amherst. It was considered desirable to eliminate the Mandans, who were serving as middlemen in the regional fur trade, and, by claiming a share of the profits in the process, diminishing the take of John Jacob Astor and other American businessmen. So the commander of Fort Clark had a boatload of blankets shipped upriver from a smallpox infirmary in St. Louis, with the idea of distributing them during a “friendship” parlay with the Mandans. There’s a bit of confusion as to whether they actually started passing them out, or whether some young Indian men “stole” a couple of blankets, but it really doesn’t matter, because the army was planning on distributing them anyway. Irrespective of the particulars in this regard, when the first Mandans began to display symptoms of the disease, they went straight to the post surgeon. They knew nothing about treating smallpox, but they’d heard about it and were terrified of it, and, since it was a white man’s disease, they went to the white doctor to find out what to do. What did he tell them? To scatter, to run for their lives, to seek shelter in the villages of healthy relatives as far away as possible.142 It follows that what might have been a localized epidemic—the Mandans were pretty much doomed the moment the smallpox broke out among them, but it might have ended with them—ends up a pandemic that rages for 15 years, from the Blackfeet confederation in southern Canada all the way down into Texas, killing who knows how many people. The Smithsonian acknowledges about 100,000 fatalities. Thornton suggests it may have been as many as 400,000.143 Whatever the number, it made the subsequent U.S. military conquest of the Great Plains region, which began in earnest about the time the pandemic was ending, a whole lot easier than it would otherwise have been. Of this, there can be no doubt. The fact that the army still had a tough time subduing the Lakotas, Cheyennes, Comanches and other peoples of the Plains is simply a testimony to how hard those peoples fought to preserve their ways of life, not that the effects of the disease were less than they were.144

The “Fort Clark episode,” as it’s often called, has always been passed off by mainstream historians as just another one of those “inadvertent tragedies.” There aren’t any documents as explicit in their expression of intent as there are in the Amherst case, so they very conveniently chalk it up to “ignorance” on the part of the officers involved, including the post surgeon. And it’s of course true that they weren’t yet acquainted with microbes, but let’s consider what they did know. Lady Mary Wortley Montague had introduced the principle of vaccination to England somewhere around 1715. By about 1750, the whole English army had been inoculated against smallpox—that’s what allowed Amherst to do what he did—and, by 1780, George Washington had ordered that his Continental Army be inoculated as well.145 So, unquestionably, the surgeon at Fort Clark was aware of the procedure. It had long since become standard. Indeed, a whole supply of vaccine, designated for inoculating Indians, was sitting in his store-room when the disease broke out. It had been there for several months, and there is no evidence that he’d ever tried to use it for its intended purpose.146 Both the surgeon and the post commander were also quite aware of the principle of quarantine. Quarantining people who’d come down with the pox had been standard medical practice for the better part of 50 years. All things considered, then, it seems to me you’d have to have undergone a lobotomy to actually believe that the surgeon’s telling the Mandans to “scatter” and “run for their lives” was either “accidental” or an “honest mistake.” And this isn’t the end of it.

Items appeared in the San Francisco press in the early 1850s indicating that the pox had been deliberately introduced among the Indians of northern California, and a decade later the papers in that city were still discussing the efficacy of “exterminating” Indians by disease.147 It’s their word, not mine. Later in the 19th century, there seems little question but that a group of traders did the same with the Carriers and other peoples in northern British Columbia.148 It continues right on into the early 20th century when it’s fairly clear that an epidemic was unleashed among the Dene of the Northwest Territories. At least no particular effort was made to provide medical treatment once the disease took hold.149 So what’s that come to? A dozen instances, including three that were hugely lethal, where it is either known, or where there’s very good reason to suspect, that disease was consciously and intentionally used to destroy native populations.150 There’s also a whole backdrop of discourse in which newspaper editors and the like are both celebrating what’s been done and arguing that there should be more of it. It’s in the face of this record—which is quite preliminary, very little research has been done as yet—that people like James Axtell persist in asserting that the erosion of native population through disease was “benign,” free of perpetrators, and that it “precludes proper historical understanding” to so much as suggest anything else.151 I don’t know how you define denial, but this works pretty well for me.

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Ward Churchill. An American Holocaust? The Structure of Denial. Socialism and Democracy Online. Vol 17, No. 1, Issue #33 ...www.adelaideinstitute.org/Dissenters/wardchurchill.htm - 29k

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2005-07-02T14:36:00.000-07:00

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Fox News in Ratings Free Fall
Here's something you won't hear on Fox News -- ratings for the cablenews channel have been plummeting since before the November election.According to TV Newser, the number of people watching Fox during primetime in the 25 to 54 age bracket dropped in April for the sixthstraight month.TV Newser cited a CNN press release which gave these totals for Fox'sprimetime audience in the 25 to 54 age bracket: Oct. 04: 1,074,000;Nov. 04: 891,000; Dec. 04: 568,000; Jan. 05: 564,000; Feb. 05:520,000; March 05: 498,000; April 05: 445,000. That amounts to adecline of 58 percent, with no sign of leveling off.Other cable stations' ratings were also down since the election, butCNN's, for example, appeared to have stabilized last month while Fox'scontinued to drop.What the press release didn't say is that we can add 629,000 people tothose who don't watch Fox. That works out to just over 89,857 peoplefor each of the seven News Hounds who are watching Fox so those peopledon't have to.Now that we've added another Hound, we should be able to take care ofthe remaining 445,000 in even less than six months.Fox's plunging ratings should be a warning to those cable stationstrying to copy the news channel's conservative Republican slant.People are tired of it. Try something different, like a progressivetelevision show, for a change.

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2005-07-02T13:08:00.000-07:00

Same Senseless Ramblings, Slightly Bigger Stage, or Intellectual Investments in Jolly Corners - 209K Wow, this is the heaviest hardslugging sort of intello weightyism I've come across in a dog's age; it's all about what literary theory can bring to psychoanalysis and whatnot (including vica versa), . .. .. mighty mighty interesting, I only wish Laurence Rickels (on whom more all throughout past work; check the logbriefer for most recent) would join in here.

The original curriculum proposed by thread initiator http://acephalous.typepad.com/ Kaufman is ignored in favor of a Holland book, reference to which posted by first commenter http://jgoodwin.net/ Jonathan, here's Kaufman's response: "Holland neglects to mention one significant difference between geology, astronomy, medicine and psychoanalysis; namely, that the first three can produce empirically measurable results, whereas psychoanalysis cannot. Holland confuses the theorizing for practice, equating the theorizing of Lyell, Darwin, etc. with psychoanalytic theorizing, then ignoring the fact that the theories of Lyell, Darwin, etc. could be and in fact were later verified by empirical evidence. The strongest possible version of Holland’s claim is that psychoanalysis is, right now, as much of a science as geology or evolutionary biology in the 1860s...and that’s not the claim he wants to make. (As I’ve mentioned before, I entered grad. school a psychoanalytic critic, but I’m leaving an apostate.)
But this isn’t the discussion I wanted to have; I’m less interested in the truth of psychoanalysis in general than its possible utility for literary studies in particular. Is it possible for psychoanalysis to be utterly wrong about people but eminently useful when addressed to novels/poems/etc.? "

revisiting a 10 month old post on war casualties

2005-06-29T01:22:00.000-07:00

augu 19 2004 ------------------------- june 29th 2005
885 citations for "iraqi war victims" --------------- 4,730
885 citations for "Iraqi war casualties" ------------ 4.740
10* citations for "number of iraqi war casualties" ------ 6
10 citations for "total number of deaths in Iraq" ------ 35
* all of them listed in the 2004/08/ post)

all searches made possible (to any and all computer users) by google ( ...at least, I don't know that google is banned anyplace)

via lbo-talk: A Visual Presentation of Military Deaths In Iraq The overall effect as the animation unfolds (a map of Iraq, overlayed withtime-accumulated point-indicators of where deaths have occurred) is verycompelling.See (flash required): obleek.com/iraq/index.html >Conflict is clearly nationwide, as honest observers have long stated. .d. ------------- http://monroelab.net/

break( )through that rock there for me willya?

2005-02-02T15:38:00.000-08:00

and be fundamental about it ya hear (dutch word for that is grondig - with soil rather than built structure connotations - that should be enough to decide who to cheer for in the life and death struggle of the world's wealthiest and most extensive lowlands).

whatzisis????
Audio in both major formats and plenny more to choose from

http://slought.org/content/11039/ A Lacanian Plea For Fundamentalism (2000-09-18)Featuring: Slavoj Zizek

Algebras, Geometries, Topologies of Philosophy: Deleuze, Derrida, & Mathematical Knowledge (2002-02-14)Featuring: Arkady Plotnitsky

source: http://slought.org/series/Theorizing/

You could also take a look some more modest plodder on the psyche questing front:
http://originsofautism Here's a few excerpts:

Revered features of the ideal male in a matrifocal society are disparaged by patriarchy. But it is these features, and the characteristics of the individuals that thrive in that kind of world, that is the world of the autistic child.Without constant exposure to the primary features of the matrifocal world, the neurological structure of a child organized physically, mentally, and
emotionally to experience the world in that way will languish. Unceasing interactional music with highly evolved rhythms and constant touch with sophisticated dance are essential to a child inclined toward maturational delay. A diet familiar to the physiology of tens of thousands of years ago is appropriate for the facile functioning of that physical system. Their brains crave highly sophisticated pattern in sound and physical space. Their bodies crave protein, vegetables, fruits, nuts, natural oils, roots. How sad and ironic, that a brain created to perceive and appreciate subtle nuances in relationship in space and time, understimulated by a
society relatively devoid of song and dance, and a diet characterized by wheat, dairy and other unfamiliar substances, ends up in relationship with itself only, unable to cross bridges to other human beings.Incidentally, matrifocal social structure females have relatively high testosterone levels (remember, they are more domineering) and so they produce maturationally delayed males and maturationally accelerated females. In a patrifocal social structure the females have lower testosterone levels producing maturationally accelerated males, and delayed females. The timing of the onset of puberty also has dramatic affects upon the ability of autistic children to join the world as we know it. Diet, percentage of body fat, food additives and physical activity are primary variables responsible for pubertal timing. There has been a drop in the age of puberty by three to four years over the last 100 years in urban cultures worldwide caused primarily by changes in diet. These dietary changes signal our bodies that increased fat, carbohydrate, and protein resources are available to sustain an increase in birth rate, accomplished by lowering the age of procreation; a naturally selected response. The fact that puberty comes several years sooner than would have occurred in the matriarchal society from which the autistic child has been severed from reduces childhood by several years giving the autistic child far less time for the brain to grow and develop. When puberty hits brain growth stops. The testosterone surges at early puberty in both sexes halts cerebral development. For the autistic child, this leaves no more time to catch up. Slower maturation plus early puberty in a world with inappropriate environmental stimulus combine to deeply inhibit these children of artistic cultures from entering the modern world. Proper diet will delay puberty and give the autistic child’s brain more time to mature. We hypothesize that responsibility for many autistic syndrome complications over and above expected developmental delays lies with the absence of constant touch, interactive music, rhythm and dance as infants, stimulus required for full functioning in a genotype as told as autism represents, coupled with a deeply inappropriate diet. Phonetic dyslexics; stutterers; many Tourette's sufferers; many homosexuals and lesbians; many gifted athletes, mathematicians, artists, musicians, and composers; many schizophrenics; specific alcoholic types and many obese women are left spectrum, old genotype individuals who can be located along the left end of the maturational arc. We believe that the human species moves through time inside a maturational arc, its character determined by the effects of sexual selection and Lamarckian selection on the rate and timing of maturation, creating the vast skill and talent spread of contemporary culture. The United States is the melting pot. A glorious result of this stew is the blending of formerly unfamiliar genetics into new genetic mixes engendering skills and talents among our children often unattained by a homogeneous people who rarely mix. Usually, these stunning talents are derived from individuals located along the left end of the maturational spectrum. Grace-filled coordination, musical excellence, and intuition for abstract pattern manipulation, and extraordinary dance skills are some of the many gifts associated with the left side. And it is no mistake that many of these people are Americans - mixed ethnic Americans. In America the races blend.Darwin placed a very heavy emphasis on his theory of Natural selection. Primary supportive arguments were derived from his experience as a breeder of pigeons. He noted a specific repeating event that occurred among pigeons and other species that he observed. The progeny of two members of the same species that had been breeding along divergent lines often exhibited features of their last common genetic forbear. Pigeons with no common ancestors for 2000 years, breeding along separate lines in China and West, had chicks exhibiting the wing coloration and patterns of roc pigeons, characteristics that had not appeared in either line for hundreds of years. As barriers keep falling that prevent peoples from different ethnic background from marrying, the children of those marriages often exhibit features of the parents’ last common ancestor. The diaspora from Africa has been estimated to have begun to occur around 50,000 years ago. Marriages of two individuals from ethnic backgrounds last in contact by a portion of that length of time will frequently have children requiring the stimulation and diet common in a matriarchal social structure from that far back in time. These are children blessed with the potential to make the modern world a far richer place to live, but they require special nurturing and a special diet.

OK, you'll be exhausted now so plan/pledge to reenergize
to that purpose
last tip: build wessel di wesseli heir air wave

preview of takenewcolour coming to my old blog near you soon

2004-08-19T06:29:00.000-07:00

pay special atttention to the last bit of information, it stems from here: http://www.acresusa.com/magazines/magazine.htm

the hyperstition(.abstractdynamics.org) link that goes with a recent entry starting thus: "Well, all that is like a perfect inversion and perfidious perversion of what I try to teach regarding dusts."

bryndle, great band

http://sociologyesoscience.com/superstorm.html sure enough, Wijnants can be found chatting about the weather along with every other thing under the sun, in this case a Climate related docu by Fox (always trying to take on the big boys that brave 'burst' - 'brave borst' means decent fella, lawabiding citizen in dutch)
http://dehiscence.blogspot.com/2004/07/eric-p-wijnants.html new siting (I am sure they 'll be coming fast and furious from now on and that's good considering we need to counterweigh in on themes the fiction factioner onslought is trying to drown us in with their poshly phrased fabulistrionics)
he cites big slab of potter exegesis http://www.epwijnants-lectures.com/harryp.html and then goes: "The emphasis is mine. I think the structure being outlined here--the construction of magic, what constitutes magic, its rules and bywords from within the projection of the cultural insider--is an interesting one. What Wijnants doesn't get into in this essay is how there is a communication between the contents of this projection and those who would later seek out historical models for the practice of an occult discipline.
Anyway, the rest of the article is stunning.
See also Hyperstition. And key23. Though these are admittedly, very different in tone. Maybe I'm just collaging them together. "

I go:

hi there, I just lucked (?) across the assorted folk you last mention above yesterday and thought the same thing, what would happen if Wijnants showed at hyperstition?
Here's some comment I just came up with:
soon to appear here:
http://members.lycos.nl/vadercats/logbriefer.htm
http://www.voy.com/165249/2805.html recent mention of Wijnants at Ian Alex Blease's forum (a hallofmaatists place), someone, 'not eric' defends the same’s right to bring up subjects (in the exact same style of sentence construction mistake making), even repeatedly (as if anybody could help repeating themselves).

Was this written around my own attempt to tone down what I thought was a too harsh and similar sort of attack at hallofmaat only to turn around and expose his wife's rules? That could well evoke feelings such as these:

"At one point the ma'at board even claim to know what the private home of "wynants" would look like and made remarks still there how much money consequently 'Eric' would have stlen from people, something that two complete invented suggestion (and shure you won't see Kat EVER such a things remove from ma'at if its only to attack "wynants". Most recently the same was even done now hurling unjust accusations of being a criminal, which is completely untrue (there are NO copyright infringements on the websites that are the constant target with the above insinuations."

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funny how those who praise anonymity and imply it is no more than a guard (rather than an art and a very special one at that), a suitably respectable yet common sense cloak for those with high profiles (in itself severely class rift riddled already) (rather than the natural place of that MIXTURE and most personable of impersonality principles; note to newcomer: check my thoughts on cernunnos) don't have a clue about (what inevitably gets decided upon by exactly those who have pieced together enough info to realize) the unbreakable span, stretch and chain of beings it takes to form one single singular enough ID to allow sustained arousal of reasonable accountability (hello) expectation(, allow me introduce) to meet some equally real capacity (thereto). Sure, such a state of affairs means/implies a world turned right side up (no, not the pole jump but mental conceit realignment (keep the (E)moti(oni)ng body still and let the worms of intelligence crawl where they will, should be simple enough for most delicateseekers), in such a way that, exactly what effect/appearance of actions ensues (amorph, polyperv and trans but most of all presexual and primordial: too long dry and dark meets too long and uselessly wet without it) .

Seems to me Rock itself is in an epic transaeonic struggle to become willingly open and up front about it (??time consumption) all the way. Seeker starts a thread there called 'in honour of a brave person' --- similar things are said by Warwick L Nixon: "Your cowardly anonimity , is at odds with the purely personal level of your postings. (piet: which neverteless claim the opossite compounding the mirroratio calculus) You can threaten me all you like." - Seeker claims to be Narumol S., female age 29.

hey, I'm noticing google is taking a few design hints from me in return for being the only company in the world to regularly send searchers by my site, to with, coming up with suprising colour changes from one post to the next in threads, at least it does at voy.com (which could use an 'expand thread function'

http://www.africawithin.com/massey/gerald_massey.htm
http://www.theosophical.ca/OnLineDocs.htm some folk I enjoyed reading remarked on Massey favorably but I can't remember who anymore .. .

http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/rbotoole/entry/dakar_and_elephant/

http://jcolavito.tripod.com/lostcivilizations/id15.html Lovecraft's stories had a profound influence on the emerging field of alternative history. Read an excerpt from the story that canonized the Cthulhu Mythos. by H. P. Lovecraft from "Call of Cthulhu" (1926)

Amy Goodman speaks with Vanunu on the phone (indymain wire)

On El Sadr mentioning american casualties in the summary -- I go:
SCREAM!! a ratio of 1:15 worth of supremacism in action

google finds nothing when asking for "total number of iraqi war casualties", nor anything for "numbers of iraqi war casualties" "total numbers of iraqi war casualties" same result with victim substituted for casualties.

"number of iraqi war casualties" . .. here's all 10 (3 of them doubles so really only 7) of those found:

Despite US denials, cluster bombs continue to claim lives in Iraq... While the US military refuses to disclose, or even count, the number of Iraqi war casualties, cluster bombs have undoubtedly been responsible for the deaths of ... wsws.org/articles/2003/may2003/clus-m06.shtml - 19k -

[PDF] Pre-Modern, Modern and Post-Modern Famine in IraqFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat ... direct result of war There is little proper documentation partly because both parties to the conflict have reasons to conceal the number of Iraqi war casualties ... ids.ac.uk/ids/pvty/Famine/Gazdar.pdf - Similar pages

Hank Roth: Collateral Pain and Suffering -- (the coincidental ...... While the US military refuses to disclose, or even count, the number of Iraqi war casualties, cluster bombs have undoubtedly been responsible for the deaths of ... http://pnews.org/art/alpha/PainSuffering.shtml - 28k -

PeaceUK and Iraq Body Count Archives - Despite US denials, cluster ...... While the US military refuses to disclose, or even count, the number of Iraqi warcasualties, cluster bombs have undoubtedly been responsible for the deaths of ... peaceuk.co.uk.mdl-net.co.uk/.... print/ - 11k -

Alternative News Network, Cairns, tropical north Queensland ...... While the US military refuses to disclose, or even count, the number of Iraqi warcasualties, cluster bombs have undoubtedly been responsible for the deaths of ... http://us.altnews.com.au/article.php?sid=4752 - 45k - Supplemental Result - Cached - Similar pages

murderous and hypocritical leftist silence on rwanda. MOORE IS AN ...... (ladies and gentlemen, moore who professes to care so much about dead americansoldiers and limited number of iraqi war casualties--nothing compared to death ... movie-fan-forum.com/movies/murderous_and_ hypocritical_leftist_silence_on_rwanda__MOORE_IS_AN_STINKHOL... - 8k - Cached - Similar pages

*** Despite US denials, cluster bombs continue to claim lives in ...... While the US military refuses to disclose, or even count, the number of Iraqi warcasualties, cluster bombs have undoubtedly been responsible for the deaths of ... franz-lee.org/files/pandemonium00634.html - 43k -

885 citations for "iraqi war victims"
0 citations for "total number of deaths in Iraq"

KOSOVO PEACE BUS... The World Health Organization estimated the total number of deaths in Iraq, 1991-1999,is about one and a half million people above and beyond the normal ... humboldt.net/~veterans/Chapter22/KosovoBus.html - 14k - Cached - Similar pages

Winds of Change.NET: Military Misperception... I find it interesting that you point out the total number of deaths inIraq among our troops and compare it to murders among Californians. ... windsofchange.net/archives/003265.php - 43k - (post script (june 05): I've meanwhile gotten to know these guys as THE most dangerously (cause legally) bipolar; on the one hand they speak of arabs like they were some kind of insect pest and though I might go along with their diagnosis a ways, their solution is genocidal, premeditated, in cold blood AND out in the open for all to see!!!!! .. .. . yet on the other hand there news is about as profuse when it comes to reporting on alternative energy development (by the looks of it, perhaps they purposely choose losers to justify oilwars who knows .. . without minutely examining these things and I haven't yet)

New Quaker Notebook weblog at newquaker.com... MSNBC today reprinted a death table from London's Reuters news service listing thetotal number of deaths in Iraq since the beginning of fighting, as of today. ... newquaker.com/2004_06_13_blogarchive.htm - 20k -
U.S.-LED COALITION FORCES KILLED:
COMBAT/ATTACKS
United States 609 (500)
Britain 20 (12)
Other nations 50 (50)
NON-COMBAT
United States 218 (189)
Britain 38 (13)
Other nations 7 (7)

IRAQIS KILLED:
MILITARY 4,895 to 6,370
[think-tank estimates]
CIVILIANS Between 9,436 and 11,317

Pocono Record Online: Letters to the Editor... The total number of deaths in Iraq on any given day is easily equaled by the murderscommitted here in the United States, and we in the United States are not ... poconorecord.com/letters/letters.htm - 38k - Cached - Similar pages
PakTribune Forum -> jihaad e chechniya... but Saddam killed on estimate 290, 000+ Iraqis in 23 years. Hey man isn't thatthe total number of deaths in Iraq for that period when Saddam ruled. ... paktribune.com/forums/ index.php?showtopic=1806&st=15 - 51k -

JoeUser.com Forums: Thread "UNCLE SAM WANTS YOU...DEAD!!"... A significant point is that the death toll for Gulf War I is still increasing evennow. Do you think that 540 or so is the total number of deaths in Iraq? ... joeuser.com/Forums.asp?MID=2&AID=9205 - 28k - Supplemental Result -

FreeSpeech.com: 343... They are reporting the total number of deaths in Iraq, which they starteddoing 3 months ago when several newspapers changed their policies. ... www.freespeech.com/archives/001920.html - 54k - Cached - Similar pages
In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 7 already displayed.If you like, you can repeat the search with the omitted results included.

Searched the web for "iraqi war casualties". Results 1 - 10 of about 853. fine machine work but I'm willing to wager that most of the citations are embedded in complaints about clarity and numbers not forthcoming and the majority of the rest will talk about americans in the, which one again? oh yea, iraqi war

just for completeness sake: amsam.org/ a site with the iraq body count(er).
317,000 hits for iraq body count146,000 hits for iraqi body count136.000 hits for iraqi body counter326,000 hits for iraq body counter iraqbodycount.org/
I don't believe in equality of races, professions, times, or anything much else
but the further from home the lower the exchange rate gets unless it has curiosity
value and a massive invasion certainly does not.

------ http://smphillips.8m.com/article03.pdf this is on kaballah and platonic solids --- >>What's the point/objective? ---- you probably overlooked that due to my harsh (but in my opinion and from the perspective offered justified) criticism--------You could post a clear and brief introduction together with the link to the pdf. Write what it concerns, why it is important/interesting and if you see any concrete relation to current torahcosmos research, write that up, too.

now. let me not forget, I am poeticpete, I run and call myself an indyblog idealogue idialogue idio(t)logue there

corridorofmadness.com/ top of the line in sightfriendliness with
complete occulture linklist madghoul.com followss the same high
presentation standard (light on dark grey) and adds a line of comment to his linklist
here's where I end up via the 6th and last of
technoccult.com/archives/cat_trippy_pictures.html
==> obscurantist.com ==>
http://www.capurromrc.it/devil/aaadia226.html
http://mutans.blogspot.com/ all white but allows squeezing text till it fills a thus
minimized window

http://sourceryforge.org/index.php/Main_Pa
ge a wiki that uses some colour on the
front page (no Wijnants here yet)

Agricultural Mineral Prospectors (519)
833-9827;Fax 833-7515 jslack@sentex.ca
This man is in the august Acres, USA issue
with a great article about the geology of
igneous rock and one deposit in
particular, that around Spanish River, to
wit, a carbonatite, very similar to
Azomite, one of the oldest natural mineral
fertilizers commercially available.

ps: don't expect me to post here anymore . .. . to much delay etcetera.
Until I luck into more comfort this will be my blog: http://members.lycos.nl/vadercats/logbriefer.htm (ps june 29 2005: lycos withdrew it's hosting support last week)

some fine additions to one of the oldest and still crazily colourquilted logs around.

2004-06-09T11:44:00.000-07:00

post prescript (and prepost script) june 2005: the old faithful log lost faith; that is, lycos did; got taken over by bigger meaner sharks or is pretending to get that way I dunno, they don't let on .. .. so it's off to the archive for a glimpse of glory: http://web.archive.org/..vadercats/logbriefer.htm

enough already witta blatant self promotion

Let's hear it for Predator who gave his life to indymedia in many more and quite other ways than I did.

'predator' feature at indymain on june 8

On Wednesday, 2 June, three days before he died, he wrote the following (according to this indymain open wire post):

Why are there diseases with cures and without? Why are there situations into which we get ourselves and never extract ourselves completely? I am fearful as I look down the grass hills around Neutral Bay in my mind's eye because I cannot go to these places anymore.

this is the final, scariest part of stuff I will write with or about anything and I find myself resigned, wordless and empty in its face of coming fury. These are the protective measures of a rabbit who you might find staring down your headlights one night. Even a well-informed rabbit. I feel so scared of this stupid pointless, empty death and yet I feel in some ways its just doing its job. It has not singled me out, it's just doing its orders. I am grateful for the chance to think of perhaps that there were cures that may have once awaited me in different food shops, eating choices, or whatever else might have availed me but of which I did not avail myself. I just did not get lucky and take any of these cures at the moment I was of incorrect supervision.
http://conway.cat.org.au/~predator/blog-index.htm the last large file he completed before he died of cancer -- he had a riveting writing style

Oh and by the way the indymain newswire pages work again

correction to the first entry here

2004-06-09T11:37:00.000-07:00

This is a hypered link to the post on Pim Fortuyn and lots more.

It leads to an article the beginning of which you can read below. It is reproduced along with my comment in multicolour fashion as is everything at my 'old' blog: http://members.lycos.nl/vadercats/logbriefer.htm cheers

ah wait, I see the edit posts button now .. .I'll use it next time.

I try comment and get another blog to show for it

2004-06-08T19:04:00.000-07:00

http://montages.blogspot.com/2004/06/clash-of-civilizations-sending-pink.html Do you remember Pim Fortuyn, a gay Dutch politician who rose to notoriety with his call for a moratorium on immigration and whose political party Lijst Pim Fortuyn received "1.6 million votes and 26 seats in the 150-seat parliament" nine days after Fortuyn's assassination on May 6, 2002? It is common today to automatically associate white gay male politics with the left. From Oscar Wilde, Magnus Hirschfeld, Sergei Eisenstein, Jean Genet, Harry Hay, Michel Foucault, Pier Paolo Pasolini, Guy Hocquenghem, Rainer Werner Fassbinder, John D'Emilio, to Tony Kushner, the finest and queerest of queer male intellectuals have been resolutely of the left (even when political parties on the left didn't welcome them, they remained radically pinko), and landmarks of gay men's activism from the Stonewall Uprising, le Front Homosexuel d'Action Révolutionnaire, Act-Up, to Queer Nation stand on the left side of the political spectrum. While we know that some white gay men have espoused a range of right-wing politics (from Nazism of Ernst Röhm to Cold-War anticommunism of Roy Cohn to Log Cabin Republicanism of Andrew Sullivan), we (especially those of us on the queer left), noting that right-wing gay men are generally marginalized (and sometimes purged) by their fellow right-wingers, think that right-wing gay men have found themselves on the wrong side of the political spectrum, against their own interests. The rise of Pim Fortuyn, however, signaled a new era of white gay male politics. (click link at top for the rest)

here's my comment:

pp goes pietpoetic soon as power goes, adds up and comes to powder, it's senses that is.
Wow!! Clutching the ashes of clip n clear straw claspery . .. I mean, where to start defusing this all too common selfrighteous indignation over a nation she on the other hand really digs (and what has it dug onto even the other world's and other's world side)? Sure, generalizations are really bad and decisions have a way of severing stuff (good intentions displaced by bad practice, good trappings severed from the long long road towards perfection, expulsions, relocation, trans-, im- and exports, etc) but I prefer to look at it roots radically and principles positively first and foremost. The ideal act makes room for new life in between formerly to formal tight and uniform fronts, formations/factions, etcetera (more like respacing and preplacement, not the dis- version then innit? Stick to basics and nobody gets hurt).
In my so humble it tends to crumble Ipinion Dutch liberality has cost too high a price (though paid pretty much in full till just as pretty recently) for (similarly specced, too high that is) tolerance is a dutch disease you too suffer by looking away from the real problems multiculturalism engenders and (looking) even further away from the problems which engendered its tumulticult in the first place (which is not to say it has no potential, the rise and fall of races proves that but if you so much as attempt to sequence that sort of stuff all of the pilotackily correct crowds line up to fall all over and against you too). For instance, taking America as home to the weary and hungry or wondering which group benefits most in the jostle leaves the reason for the hemorrhaging of places all these various folks hail from equally far out of the picture. Demography and cultural mores, economics, mindsets and lores are to be grasped in/as one clearly and vitally flowing,tightly fitting and fractal concept/process and hell, that takes the kind of practice squeezed further and further out of same punkcheer. Yoshie proves these far and widely ramified factors and aspects of population pressures (in the Dutch case nevertheless undeniably and therefore easy to admit self inflicted (pp), the turning of price into reward of admission (pp), kind of like zionist tactics (pp) in reverse, ironic for such an unhealthily pro-israel (pp) babbleboible (pp) below biggarbeltwoild) which threaten a real inundation (either that or morph'm into ugly aliens, they're limbering up with alienationisms already methinks, the densely populated Dutch case seams a not even that much exxagerated version of some damn near universally human problems against which some of them are, admission time again, draconically struggling) are pretty much off limits, out of bounds and totally taboo to her and hers, the messy masses minded.
Before I say anymore let me emphasize I am a firm believer in peace- and all the more forceful solutions (power to powder, lust to dust); now that we have that out of the way I hasten to add that the 'mistakenly' and 'made out to be' firm and irreconcilable Huntingtonian antagonism, the 'inherently and monolithically' this vs that is really much more of a tit vs tat, a hitting on one cheek and making them both hurt. The monotheisms and other factors furthering monomania and mindmoldies for the masses have been enjoying a winning streak against the, dare I say inherently, more richly variety filled and fielding narcissisms of small differences, I mean the less generalization triggering happy (militaristic pun intended), less scale-invariant (some Winter vs Kohr reading required here; meant is action/energydirection not indifferent to but to the contrary, hungry for scaling, the clinically clean, almost scientific term which tries and pretends to shed the karma of but will forever at heart still remain a remnant and echo from the materializionist side of the mixed bag known as the bible) though, of course, sometimes no less deadly still evermore local, differences.