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"Unfair Attacks" - A Subject Vice Presidential Candidate Sarah Palin (R-AK) Knows Quite Well

2008-09-10T01:57:00.010-05:00

"Unfair Attacks" - An imagined animation starring Sarah Palin

Watching the news lately, I've heard a recurring theme amongst the complaining Republican flack machine. The key phrase is: "Unfair Attacks", as in, "the Democrats have been making unfair attacks against Sarah Palin because they're (pick one) sexist, elitist, anti-family, anti-small-town-America, or just plain mean.

That got me thinking about an effective rebuttal, and I think I've come up with one. Maybe somebody who works for a big animation studio or has lots of talent and time on their hands will volunteer to make it or someone will pay my company to create it, I don't care. I just had this visualization so I figured I'd share. If anyone else wants to make it, I merely request a "inspiration credit" for TotallyFixed.com, otherwise it's free to use. Here goes...

Opening Scene: Series of clips of Republican operatives declaring Palin the victim of "Unfair Attacks".

Fade to Black

Voiceover with type: It seems like Sarah Palin and her supporters are complaining about her being the victim of "unfair attacks". Well I guess they should know, because rumor has it that Sarah herself is an EXPERT in Unfair Attacks. Let's watch...

Fade to Scene of Final-Fantasy-style animation of a cammo'ed-up Sarah Palin with a fully automatic AR-15 slung over her shoulder about to board a helicopter with slowly-whirling blades bearing the insignia "Alaskan Aerial Hunts"

The 'copter takes off, and heads out over the rugged, pristine wilderness of summertime Alaska, the camera panning back and forth across the woods, lakes and mountains that typify the Alaskan landscape.

After a minute or so, Palin, holding binoculars in one hand while clinging to the Huey-style open side door of the 'copter, points down and says to the pilot, "Down there!"

Camera pans down to the ground where off in the distance you see a mother Polar Bear ambling along with three cubs (very cute) following her.

The camera zooms in to see the bears sniffing along, looking for food, with the cubs playfully jostling with each other from time to time before hurrying after their mother.

Camera pans back to the helicopter, which grows ominously closer.

Cut to scene of bears noticing helicopter and, looking startled and scared, starting to flee.

Cut back to Palin, with evil grin on her face, settling into shooting position and pointing the rifle at the bears.

"Closer!", she cries out to the pilot and then looks down her sights to her intended quarry.

Pan out to where you can see both the helicopter, with Palin pointing the gun towards the ground, and the bears, now in full flight, running through the woods.

Ack ack ack ack, goes the gun, firing towards the bears, kicking up dust around them as they flee in terror.

Ack ack ack ack - Ack ack ack ack - again and again she rakes the ground with fully automatic weapons fire.

Finally she scores a direct hit and the mother bear, hit in three places along a line, runs a few more feet and then tumbles over, bleeding profusely from three visible wounds.

Cut back to Palin looking very happy. "Got it!", she cries with a fist pump. Turning towards the pilot she says, "Find somewhere to land, there's a nice trophy down there".

Cut back to the dying bear, now surrounded by her three devastated and confused cubs, pawing mommy to try to revive her. A shadow grows over them, which turns into the helicopter landing right next to the body.

They flee into some nearby bushes and you then see the cubs turn, hiding, to watch the unfolding scene.

Sarah dismounts from the helicopter with a chainsaw case and a large burlap bag in her hands. Setting the bag and case on the ground, she opens the case, removes the chainsaw, fires it up, and then walks over to the now-dead Polar Bear mommy.

"This is gonna look nice on my parent's wall", she says and then proceeds to cut off the head of the bear, blood gushing everywhere, and spattering all over her.

Holding it aloft, she says (with a glint in her eye), "I can't understand all those Liberals who want to eliminate aerial hunting. This stuff is FUN!"

Putting the head into her burlap bag, she looks disdainfully down at the beheaded carcass and then at her blood spattered self and says. "Gee, guess I gotta go get cleaned up before that press conference. Let's go Charlie."

She climbs back into the helicopter and it takes off and flies off into the distance. The cubs return and gather around their dead mother, sobbing mournfully. At the clearing's edge, wolves gather, eying the now unprotected cubs. Vultures circle the skies overhead.

Fade to Black

Cut to scene of a cleaned up Palin addressing the assembled media. She says, "The first thing I want to say is that I've been subjected this week to all kinds of Unfair Attacks..."

Fade to Black.

Cut back to sobbing cubs, huddled together for warmth and protection in the shadow of their dead mother as the day's light is fading. Hungry eyes gleaming in the darkened edges of the clearing.

Voiceover: "Unfair Attacks", now that's something Governor Sarah Palin really DOES have experience with...

Fade to Black.

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Saved from the Memory Hole - Deleted DailyKos Palin Baby Story

2008-09-03T03:10:00.003-05:00

PLEASE NOTE: THIS STORY IS BEING REPUBLISHED HERE IN ITS ENTIRETY UNDER THE PRINCIPLES OF "FAIR USE" TO SAVE IT FROM DISAPPEARING PERMANENTLY DOWN THE "MEMORY HOLE" OF GEORGE ORWELL FAME.

Just because the Palin family now says that their daughter is five months pregnant and therefore couldn't possibly be baby Trig's mom, doesn't mean that the claim is actually true.

DailyKos continues their disappointing habit of suppressing "dangerous" thought (like 9/11 Truth, for instance) by immediately kow-towing to the pressure and making the story simply vanish. Thank the Goddess for Google Cache. There is at least one other article about this topic that was published first on DailyKos that DIDN'T get Cached. If anyone has a link to a copy, please leave it in the comments.

This is an important story because it means that one of two things HAS to be true.

Either:

A) Sarah Palin is NOT baby Trig's mom, and has engaged in public self-serving lying about said motherhood in a way to enhance her standing in the radical pro-life political community.

- OR -

B) Sarah Palin IS baby Trig's mom, and she behaved in wantonly reckless behavior with regards to her unborn child (and the safety and well being of airline crews and passengers) by her actions traveling in the 72 hours leading up to his birth, thus calling into serious question both her intrinsic judgement and character AND her alleged beliefs about the "sanctity of the unborn".

She and McCain can't have it both ways. ONE of the above scenarios is true. Has to be. No crazy conspiracy theory here.

Which is it? I'd really like to know, particularly since the issues around pregnancy and contraception hold such a central place in the Sarah Palin mystique.

But anyway, here's one of the articles that got it all started, with full links and comments. I'm just trying to save it for posterity. Our republic depends on such vigilance, no?

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BabyGate: Explosive New Details [Photos+Video]

by ArcXIX

Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:39:54 PM PDT

Yesterday, the nation at large was introduced to Sarah Palin's fraudulent claims of maternity by numerous photographs, video, and a timeline that made even those accepting of the 'official' story turn their heads in confusion.

The revelation that had been whispered among the Alaskan legislature was explosive. Sarah Palin is not the mother of Trig Palin. Her daughter is the mother. Scarce if any refutations to the contrary have come forward, and now damning incidents and evidence has come to light.

Mothers of the world have reeled back in disgust and horror at Sarah's dangerous and possibly fatal story of flying 4000 miles even as she was supposedly in the process of entering labor a month early. Sarah needs to honestly answer for her lies, promptly.

ArcXIX's diary :: ::

As evidenced in the original diary, Sarah has been photographed during her surprise 'pregnancy' as trim, fit, and altogether non-pregnant. Once again presenting Sarah at seven months 'pregnant':

And now newly juxtaposed to Sarah pregnant with her son, Track Palin, in 1989 (right):

The disparity is shocking. Any mother of more than one child will tell you that a female body does not become fitter with each pregnancy, but instead the exact opposite, gaining more and more weight quickly with each successive pregnancy (in Sarah's case, four). Sarah is a perfectly healthy woman, but is far from a petite size, and would not be able to hide a second trimester pregnancy from anyone with a set of eyeballs.

bloggerinterrupted has culled together news videos from the time of the original announcement (seven months into the surprise 'pregnancy'), which reveals no protruding belly line, and the total shock of fellow Alaskans:

Of note, the Newsweek conference at the end was entitled "Newsweek: Women & Leadership". Sarah would issue the statement on her pregnancy the next day (she didn't mention pregnancy once during the presentation), and Newsweek host Karen Breslau was as surprised as anyone:

At the time, I didn't know that Palin, clad in a loose, dark dress, was seven months pregnant with her fifth child. An aide called me the next day to tell me that Palin would be announcing the pregnancy at home in Alaska and that she had wanted me to know as a courtesy. She was sorry she hadn't mentioned it the night before.

A convenient reasoning, allowing Sarah to deftly avoid questioning of any sort before, during, or after the presentation in Los Angeles. This isn't the first time Sarah has fooled someone on video.
In yesterday's diary, a video of Sarah hiking around Juneau, Alaska (and standing in high heels at six months 'pregnant') was presented by Alaska HDTV. They have since issued a statement:

Regarding her pregnancy, all I can say is that it was not obvious to the three of us who were there during the filming. At this time she would be somewhere in her 7th month of pregnancy, which could be hidden with clever clothing, jackets, etc.

In addition, these videos also mark stark contrasts toanother video of Sarah's career as a Sports News Journalist, taped here when she was pregnant with child in 1989. Her facial features are altered, a common effect of pregnancy that Sarah miraculously avoided during her fifth with Trig.

Fast forward to the alleged 'pregnancy' itself, an obstetrician commented at Talking Points Memo that he has serious issues with Palin's decisions:

She claims she flew from Texas to Anchorage after she was having contractions and leaking amniotic fluid. This simply doesn't make sense.

I am a physician and I deliver babies (my last delivery was about 36 hours ago).

...

There is very little chance that a 44 year old woman who was pregnant with her fifth child would last 8 hours with ruptured membranes and contractions. Especially when the baby was approximately 4 weeks early; She would have delivered this baby on the plane.

...

Playing the back seat doctor here, my advice would have been get in the car and go to the nearest hospital with a maternity ward. This is called Premature Preterm Rupture of Membranes (PPROM) and it is dangerous.

...

10:30pm - Palin arrives in Anchorage (approximately 22 hours after membranes ruptured, you start to get worried at 12 hours).

11:30pm - Palin checks into Mat-Su regional in Wasilla, Alaska. (It seems kind of strange that she wouldn't have gone to Providence in Anchorage which has the highest level maternity care in the state. You would want a child with genetic defects to be delivered in a bigger place with more services available.)

...

If she knew her child had this disorder and got on a plane with leaking amniotic fluid, then she shows incredibly poor judgment.

Mentioned below the statement, is the revelation that after landing in Anchorage, Sarah drove past both Providence and Anchorage Regional, facilities ideal for premature deliveries, as both are equipped with neonatal intensive care units (NCIU). The doctor who supposedly approved of Sarah taking such risks, and later delivered Trig? Cathy Baldwin-Johnson, who has since been scrubbed from the Mt-Su Regional Medical Center website. Web Archive naturally shows her at the top of the scrubbed list. Sarah's relationship with Cathy has formed over the years, and in 2002 (then Mayor) Sarah named her Family Physician of the Year. In May 2007, (then Governor) Sarah appointed Cathy to the Alaska Health Care Strategies Planning Council, as evidenced by this scrubbed State Press Release. Special connections for special friends.

Mat-Su Regional, the hospital where Trig Palin was delivered, surprisingly does not list Trig on their own list of babies born in that facility for that day of April 18th. A peculiar oddity, as hospitals are usually proud when a local celebrity gives birth within their facility.

Which brings us back to Bristol Palin, the rightful mother of Trig Palin. Over the course of seven months, Bristol had three separate driving offenses, one to carry insurance, one for speeding, and another one for a collision. As a sixteen year-old driver, incidents such as these happen all the time. This is noteworthy, however, due to her being out of school at the time due to the family excuse of 'having infectious mononucleosis' for a period of five to eight months. The police statement reads:

Wasilla Police Department
On February 8, 2008, at 1737 hours, Wasilla Police responded to two vehicle collision at Seward Meridian Parkway and Fireweed Drive. Investigation revealed that Bristol Palin, age 17 of Wasilla, was driving a 4-door sedan and attempted to turn into a business when she struck a 2-door sedan driven by Joshua Moffet, age 19, of Wasilla. Palin was issued a citation for Failing to Use Due Care to Avoid a Collision. Moffet was issued a citation for an expired registration and no proof of insurance.

Out of school, and in a fender-bender located in front a Medical Family Center. Not good.

Back to contrasts, we see here Bristol at Sarah's Governor inauguration:

As flat of a stomach as any. And now later during Bristol's pregnancy:

Bristol & Trig have been pushed backstage or elsewhere in McCain/Palin appearances already, as evidenced by the Washington, PA campaign stop in which Sarah stated Trig was napping while Bristol was watching over him. In any regard, they looked wonderful together at the initial Vice-Presidential unveiling in Dayton, Ohio on Friday:

Sarah? Not so interested.

Tearing apart a mother from her child in the public's eye for political points is the lowest of the low. Bristol Palin deserves the truth from Sarah, delivered to the public, immediately. This charade on the national stage is pathetic, and needs to end promptly.

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by turnover on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:41:35 PM PDT
- Just when you think we've hit bottom . . . (47+ / 0-)
  
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  here it comes again.
  
  I'm so tired of this. We really need to let go.
  
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  by prodigal on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:43:58 PM PDT
  
  [ Parent ]
  - How can you judge one way or the other (20+ / 0-)
    
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    until you know if its true or not?
    
    If she is the grandmother and not the mother then this story should be told.
    
    It affects the ability to judge her mental health.
    
    "The owners of this country know the truth: its called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it." ~ George Carlin
    
    by Gregory Wonderwheel on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:56:56 PM PDT
    
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    - she is also bragging about her decision (37+ / 0-)
      
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      to birth a downs baby. SHE is making this part of her campaign.
      
      Still, I think we should leave this to others who can actually look at the records, etc. It should be ably to be proven false in about five minutes.
      
      by loper2008 on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:59:01 PM PDT
      
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        There once was a man named mccain, who had the whole white house to gain, but he was quite a hobbyist of boning his lobbyist, so much for his 08 campaign. SC
        
        by christomento on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:06:40 PM PDT
        
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      - And if it's proven wrong (18+ / 0-)
        
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        Don't we all look like the bright, shining examples of where we want politics to be?
        
        NO.
        
        We look like a bunch of petty and pathetic rumor mongers and that is beneath us.
        
        "People the world over have always been more impressed by the power of our example than by the example of our power." WJC
        
        by BoiseBlue on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:09:46 PM PDT
        
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        Not a chance in hell (13+ / 0-)
        
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        that this is wrong.
        The whole cover story is insultingly flimsy.
        
        Whether we should know, that's another question,
        IMHO answered in the affirmative since:
        
        she CHOSE to expose her family to this scrutiny and
        she CHOSE to tout her Pro Abstinence, Pro-Life, Mother&Governor Superwoman credentials into the campaign.
        
        by Bambleweeny57 on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:10:22 PM PDT
        
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        Goopers are worried that it's true (2+ / 0-)
        
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        by RFK Lives on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:16:35 PM PDT
        
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        If this isn't true, (20+ / 0-)
        
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        Then she is a nutcase for flying 4000 miles already in labor on an earlier flight. If it is true, she is a nutcase anyway for coming up with a story like that.
        
        There is absolutely no f*cking way this things turns out well for her. Keep in mind that I would prefer to take her at face value, and conclude that she is criminally irresponsible for flying to Texas for a damn speech essentially at term, and for flying back whie already in labor.
        
        We are all way too agitated about what this means to us. The damage it makes to WcCain is so hugely much greater than anything we can get. Or are we just scared, and hope that if we cower and don't say anything bad about these 2, that they will be nice to us? Come on, you know better.
        
        by power2truth on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:14:23 PM PDT
        
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        I agree (9+ / 0-)
        
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        There is no way that Palin comes out with good judgment from this situation. Either she is criminally irresponsible or a liar.
        
        by KateDK on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:54:03 PM PDT
        
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        I think we've defused a bomb. (3+ / 0-)
        
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        I don't think so. Assuming all this is true, I can see McCain/Palin (or certainly Rove) banking on the following scenario:
        
        Questions arise (naturally or not) about her late-night cross-country flight of labor to the least qualified hospital for delivery.
        
        She defends them straight, until they either start showing as a negative on their polls or the election is ~5 days away (perfect range for an emotional pull on the vote).
        
        Once in range, she holds a press conference to announce that she has lied to us all, but it was to save her daughter the embarrassment of being a teenage mother and to give Trig the care that only she could provide.
        
        I'd bet McCain/Palin would get a 2-3 point boost on the release. People generally sympathize with mothers in her situation, especially those with pre-teen and teenage kids of their own. Hell, I would sympathize with her!
        
        So, our mission: make them make that admission sooner, not later. Give the "she lied to save her daughter" meme time to dissipate before the election. Give ourselves time to couch it in the worst possible light.
        
        Or, make them prove us wrong. I'd love to be proven wrong here.
        
        by JetTredmont on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:24:48 PM PDT
        
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        Next question would be: who's the father? (1+ / 0-)
        
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        Why go to such lengths, in this day and age, to cover it up?
        
        by power2truth on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 10:18:47 PM PDT
        
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        Simple (1+ / 0-)
        
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        Because it's not "this day of age" in the households of fundamentalist politicians.
        
        Not to say I have any desire to touch this story, but the motive seems clear...
        
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        by leftneck on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 10:57:36 PM PDT
        
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        The people likely to vote for her would not feel (1+ / 0-)
        
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        any sympathy for her. They would be apathatic towards voting for her and that's not what they want representing them. A liar who can't control her daughter yt wants to try and control other people's children. They are the least sympathetic of people. The rest of the world would be like I told you nitwits so.
        
        by rock2casbah on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 10:53:42 PM PDT
        
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        All you cowering Nancy Pelosis (1+ / 0-)
        
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        Or are we just scared, and hope that if we cower and don't say anything bad about these 2, that they will be nice to us?
        
        You scorners here can't stand it when Pelosi won't impeach, yet you won't either. Impeachment says there's cause for a trial with evidence to be presented AND weighed AND investigated. It doesn't say it's proved, it says ask the question in public, openly, transparently, and see any evidence. Consider it. Weigh it. And then decide your vote. This diarist is presenting evidence that you say you are disgusted to look at and ashamed of Kos for presenting (and are first in line to say so). And we are all to vote blind.
        
        Color me disgusted.
        
        by thatvisionthing on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:55:13 PM PDT
        
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        to scorn = to oppose impeachment? (2+ / 0-)
        
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        that's a new one.
        
        but what's even funnier is that you seem to be saying that we need to put our money where our mouth is.
        
        you do see the irony, don't you?
        
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        by dadanation on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:11:37 PM PDT
        
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        Troll is just trying to change the topic. (2+ / 0-)
        
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        I wouldn't follow it there if I were you.
        
        by power2truth on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 10:21:46 PM PDT
        
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        Now Drudge is linking to the 1st Diary (10+ / 0-)
        
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        Jesus Christ.
        
        You're absolutely right, BoiseBlue. This is beyond pathetic.
        
        I think that might be the first time Drudge has linked directly to a Daily Kos diary, at least that I've ever seen.
        
        Good job, diarist! You've now shown Drudge's entire readership, and that ain't no small number, that DailyKos = tabloid trash and smear jobs.
        
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        by Lauren S on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:32:38 PM PDT
        
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        Exactly. This is a right-wing trick. (2+ / 0-)
        
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        Think about it:
        
        IF if were true, it would not hurt her. She is a loving mother.
        
        Of course, it is not true--a woman under the public scrutiny she was under fake a pregnancy? Give me a break.
        
        And the fact that Drudge linked to it: BINGO!
        
        We are being played.
        
        KOS needs to do a little tracing on the auther. I think we will find a Republican operative behind this.
        
        One real dairy, and this trash twice. So a second-time diarist has all these photos and embeds? Quick learner.
        
        Wake up and smell the Rove.
        
        by daulton on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 10:03:12 PM PDT
        
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        The author of that diary is an unknown (1+ / 0-)
        
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        You're right on point.
        
        Check their history.... nothing to give them credibility. Yet people are going with it.
        
        Stupid as hell.
        
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        by Lauren S on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 02:54:24 AM PDT
        
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        You won't look like anything. (0+ / 0-)
        
        The internet bloggers have been the only source of real truth in politics and is respected because of that fact. Drudge, Smoking Gun and now they don't even name the sites due to the fact that the information moves like wildfire and is passed like a baton from place to place. If this is not true it will die. If it is it will be revealed like Edwards. We only have 2 months before this can potentially blow up in this country's face threatening the sanctity of the Office of President. It should be snuffed out now.
        
        by rock2casbah on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 10:49:39 PM PDT
        
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    - What? (19+ / 0-)
      
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      What the hell does this have to do with mental health? How can you make that stretch? Seriously?
      
      What fucking site am I on today?
      
      "People the world over have always been more impressed by the power of our example than by the example of our power." WJC
      
      by BoiseBlue on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:59:15 PM PDT
      
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      - Are you crazy? (4+ / 0-)
        
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        How many mothers, faced with a teenage daughter's inconvenient pregnancy, formulate or participate in a coverup that is apparently supposed to go on forever? How many mothers condemn their daughters and their babies that way? Because that's protection for a fleeting moment at best, condemnation for a lifetime at worst. A shame too horrible to ever confess or escape. A baby removed. And a bit unusual, wouldn't you say? It shocks my conscience. Is this about the mother's ambition, the family's religion, what, what, what's more important and better than the truth? Now everyone has questions. But, again, we are all to become complicit codependents and not ask, not know, just accept the cloud always hanging there but never say we see it.
        
        And what if it's not true? The photo evidence looks pretty convincing, and a lot of people are talking and making their best guesses, but there's room for doubt. Again, we shouldn't find out, even though she made a public announcement it's not our business, we have no right to fact check or reality check or judgment check the maybe strange and crazy mother who could be one cancerous McThuselah heartbeat away from the presidency...with our vote.
        
        And the baby. Since we magically accept Sarah's motherhood, we magically accept as well that our demands on Sarah as a vice president will leave room for her to care for this special needs Down's baby as well. And we'll vote that magical mother into a position where she can decide for all women whether they should carry their Down fetuses to term, and whether there will be supports in place to help families meet their Down's children's needs, and what family planning services should exist. And the magical mother will feel rewarded and validated for her magical decisions and so go forward. It's what we want. It's her right.
        
        Do we all have our scripts now? Do we all know what we're supposed to see and say? Tell me again what the empress's new clothes look like in those photos and videos? Uh huh, uh huh, dark maternity pants...thanks, got it.
        
        That's CRAZY.
        
        by thatvisionthing on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:44:20 PM PDT
        
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    - Her mental health? (15+ / 0-)
      
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      Explain to me why, if 100% true, this is anything more than act of kindness and love on Palin's part, to give her daughter a respite from fate and the infant a normal household?
      
      And prying into it is something other than reprehensible?
      
      I will listen to an argument but it better be awfully damned persuasive.
      
      by LithiumCola on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:01:04 PM PDT
      
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        baby even if the daughter didn't want one so that's an issue. She is also trying to play the part of some sort of hero for having the child. If it's not hers then that's an issue. Limbaugh is already on top of that meme and if it's not true it needs to be crushed.
        
        Man. Some "progressives" make Archie Bunker look like Tim Wise.
        
        by JayGR on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:05:02 PM PDT
        
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        veracity until it's properly researched? It shouldn't be too hard to get to the truth, particularly when the candidate releases her medical records.
        
        McCain's platform: Noun, verb, POW!!
        
        by elwior on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:06:17 PM PDT
        
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        Will she release her medical records? (5+ / 0-)
        
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        Without the prodding from the blogoshpere, will she even do it, or say that she is so young and does not have any serious medical conditions, so her medical records are unimportant.
        
        And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996
        
        by MrJersey on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:52:56 PM PDT
        
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        Obama has a rumor debunking website, (2+ / 0-)
        
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        Sarah not so much.
        
        When the rumor was going around that Obama wasn't born in the United States, he posted his Hawaii birth certificate on a debunking "Fight the Smears" website he set up. But the reverse is happening here. Diarist reports online photos of Sarah taken from January to April 2008 are disappearing from the State of Alaska website. Proper research? I'm waiting for the National Enquirer to report. That's what we're down to when reasonble inquiry is squelched.
        
        by thatvisionthing on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 09:25:05 PM PDT
        
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      - I don't agree with you (0+ / 0-)
        
        but when I mentioned this story to my wife, she said the same thing. Kind of surprising to me, but it makes sense.
        
        If true, this story is interesting, but even if it came out, it wouldn't hurt her in any noticeable way.
        
        by sxp151 on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:06:47 PM PDT
        
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        except that she lied. n/t. (6+ / 0-)
        
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        by roubs on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:20:15 PM PDT
        
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        No point in doing it if you're not going to lie (0+ / 0-)
        
        I mean, that defeats the purpose, doesn't it?
        
        by sxp151 on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:27:26 PM PDT
        
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      - Ok, I'll try (12+ / 0-)
        
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        And I'm actually very unsure as to what is newsworthy...though I'm coming to the conclusion that we've had enough babyswitcheroo diaries here.
        
        If this is true (and I have no idea if it's not) it's not the daughter, it's the deception. It's not Bristol, it's a cover-up and perpetuating the deception while governor of Alaska.
        
        If this is true, she shouldn't be vice president of the United States.
        
        If this is true, I think it's a remarkable piece of bad parenting, but that's just me.
        
        by ksh01 on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:11:03 PM PDT
        
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        is a noble thing. The level of secrets, lies, and cover-ups that must have gone on (if the allegations are true) is anything but noble.
        
        by DirkFunk on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:37:30 PM PDT
        
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        Your definition of noble and mine must differ n/t (0+ / 0-)
        
        For the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of a next first lady
        O'biden '08!
        
        by second gen on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:02:43 PM PDT
        
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        We don't even know if she was being noble (1+ / 0-)
        
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        or not. Sarah may not even have known about it until it was too late to do anything anyway. If I had a mother like Sarah I wouldn't tell her diddly until it was too late for her to try to make me get rid of it and in order to save "face".
        
        by rock2casbah on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 10:58:04 PM PDT
        
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        It has already been made a campaign issue (the decision to birth Trig) by McCain/Palin and their surrogates.
        
        It is VERY likely that this is an "October surprise" in waiting (for exactly the reason you mention: it sheds Palin in a very sympathetic light, and close to the election could sway key states).
        
        It is more rational than condemning a person for naming their kid "Trig". :)
        
        by JetTredmont on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:30:54 PM PDT
        
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    - (1+ / 0-)
      
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      There once was a man named mccain, who had the whole white house to gain, but he was quite a hobbyist of boning his lobbyist, so much for his 08 campaign. SC
      
      by christomento on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:06:32 PM PDT
      
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      the first I heard of this was earlier today, and it sounded far-fetched, but I certainly don't know.
      
      What struck me (before hearing ANY of this) was that it was poor judgement to have such a small infant out in such a huge crowd as I saw the other day.
      
      I hadn't read the responses to the other diary, but just mentioned MY observation of this, and got flamed for suggesting it was not smart. But I know someone who took a five month infant to Wal-Mart to have portraits made (everyone who knew thought it was folly, and tried to talk the parents out of it) and the child ended up with a serious staph infection and back in the hospital.
      
      It's a matter of basic hygiene. Public places are full of germs, and especially threatening to infants of undeveloped immune systems. I can't imagine any person of sound judgement taking such a young infant into such a HUGE crowd, no matter WHOSE baby it is...
      
      by Prognosticator on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:08:10 PM PDT
      
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      - well, I sort of feel the same way (2+ / 0-)
        
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        I took my kids out in public, but I certainly didn't take them any place with 1000s of people cheering.
        
        by ksh01 on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:12:15 PM PDT
        
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      - Uh, I would unhesitatingly take my (5+ / 0-)
        
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        two or three month old into a large crowd. I've had three children. My first never even got so much as a sniffle until he was over a year old. My second contracted a stomach virus from his older brother when he was six months and has otherwise never been sick in 2 1/2 years. My third is three months old, and so far so good. Infants that breastfeed, as Trig does, are VERY well-protected immunologically.
        
        by Mother of Zeus on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:19:46 PM PDT
        
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        Who is breast feeding Trig? (5+ / 0-)
        
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        And by the way, many children with Down's have other anomalies.
        
        phillysuse
        
        by suse on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:26:53 PM PDT
        
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        Sarah? (2+ / 0-)
        
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        I've seen Sarah make reference to a breast pump.
        
        which allows her to continue working.
        
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by peace voter on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:15:19 PM PDT

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But talking about a breast pump isn't proof (3+ / 0-)

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that she's the one actually using the breast pump.

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by mariva on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:57:53 PM PDT

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I wondered why she felt it necessary to (1+ / 0-)

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put this breast feeding statement on full blast in a national magazine like People. Like an advertisement or something. Very inappropriate discussion for a person trying to present an image of a heartbeaat away from being the leader of the free world. If anything very unHillary like if that's some of the voters she wants to attract.

by rock2casbah on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 11:04:17 PM PDT

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I saw a reference to Sarah breastfeeding (0+ / 0-)

Can't remember where just now, maybe/probably Anchorage Daily News.

Hey, this is interesting! You know how the diarist talks about State of Alaska web pages being taken down? I googled "Sarah Palin breastfeeding" and one of the results is a State of Alaska/Governor Sarah Palin dead link to her September 2007 proclamation of October 2007 as Breastfeeding Awareness Month--but it's still in the cache, last retrieved on August 26, 2008. The link to the enlarged photo (Sarah cutting a cake with daughter Piper) and printer friendly version are broken too. I wonder why they would scrub that page?

by thatvisionthing on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 10:03:08 PM PDT

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Sarah is. (0+ / 0-)

Nothing in this story proves anything to the contrary.

Regardless, I sure hope that SOMEONE is, even if Sarah isn't.

by Mother of Zeus on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:19:46 PM PDT

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I would be more concerned about the noise (2+ / 0-)

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not the exposure to germs.

by ksh01 on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:11:07 PM PDT

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Depends on your circumstance (11+ / 0-)

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I have a child who was born 1 month early too. Lung issues are common at that gestational age, which results in these children being quite vulnerable to infection and such. In fact, even though I kept him out of public as much as I could, our child contracted RSV at five months, thanks to the lungs' "bad start" - treated and recovered fully, thank goodness, but you must understand that even slightly premature infants can be much more vulnerable than full term babies.

Would I have taken a one-month premie into crowds like that at only a few months old, then dragged him on a tour bus around the country? HELL no. And I question her much-touted motherhood credentials for doing such a thing.

And now she's dragged him down into hurricane central.

Wow. Just... wow.

by Are We There Yet on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:11:20 PM PDT

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True enough. So happy to hear that (1+ / 0-)

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your baby recovered fully.

I agree that premature babies are a different story. That's why I find the Texas-AK flight story so disturbing. Even if she wasn't in active labor when she left, she had thought she was before, she was leading fluid (and by your 5th, you know the difference), and yet she got on a 12 hour flight? That's insanity, because so many premies DO need help to breathe.

by Mother of Zeus on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:18:55 PM PDT

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I agree (1+ / 0-)

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At the very least, if her claim the baby is hers is true, she was risking the child's life. That shows horrendously poor judgment, and she is anything but mother of the year.

by KateDK on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:58:34 PM PDT

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Doesn't matter who the mother is (0+ / 0-)

of the baby she is dragging around. On the other hand, the baby would be four months old now (born at the end of April), not one, two or three. Better enough? I know nothing.

by thatvisionthing on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 10:10:59 PM PDT

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- A 4-month old... they go places. If the baby was (6+ / 0-)
  
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  6 weeks or less, then you keep them in much of the time. But after that, the grocery store, running errands, the doctors office. If you have an older sibling in school, every germ that goes around school comes home anyway.
  
  Taking the kid to criss-cross the country at 4 months... no, I sure wouldn't do that. I can't imagine anyone who would.
  
  by teresahill on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:30:59 PM PDT
  
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  Yes; common necessary errands are one thing, (2+ / 0-)
  
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  crossing the country and going to rallies of thousands of people is quite another.
  
  by Prognosticator on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:47:24 PM PDT
  
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  No, I would never campaign with one for any (3+ / 0-)
  
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  length of time.
  
  by teresahill on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:50:04 PM PDT
  
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  I have been... (5+ / 0-)
  
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  ...touring with bands for about 15 years and have seen many babies raised in situations like this-all of whom have turned out beautifully. Americans are so over-protective of their babies. Ever spent any time in Africa? Babies are in huge crowds everywhere in the major cities and it doesn't seem to do them any harm.
  
  "Good to be here, good to be anywhere." --Keith Richards
  
  by bradreiman on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:38:34 PM PDT
  
  [ Parent ]
- She's a politician first and foremost (0+ / 0-)
  
  Politicians are known for hauling out their children (bonus points for babies) anywhere there's a photo op. Somehow they think this will get them votes...John Edwards practically FLUNG his youngest two in front of any camera within 5 miles.
  
  by bootes53 on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 12:30:53 AM PDT
  
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- 2 words: Jack Nicholson (2+ / 0-)
  
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  that's his life story, so it's not as 'out there' as some might think.
  in any case, i wish we could verify this, before we go on a rampage.
  we just can't be sure, unless it's investigated.
  
  by ladygreenslippers on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:40:50 PM PDT
  
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  - Bobby Darin too. (1+ / 0-)
    
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    This election is about the past versus the future.
    
    by xndem on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:45:43 PM PDT
    
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    And Eric Clapton. (0+ / 0-)
    
    Also, the fictional Benjamin Hodge on the TV show Desperate Housewives.
    
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    by mariva on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:59:44 PM PDT
    
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- Sullivan posts births at hospital site (3+ / 0-)
  
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  the site has now been taken down/......Here we go
  
  sullivan link http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.co...
  
  site that is now down
  
  http://www.matsuregional.com/...
  
  McBush is a gaffe monger.
  
  by BlueFranco on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:46:46 PM PDT
  
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  - It's still up. (2+ / 0-)
    
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    I got a screen capture of the old one anyway earlier today.
    
    by ksh01 on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:12:46 PM PDT
    
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  - That site is working for me right now (1+ / 0-)
    
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    It's really slow, probably because it's getting a ton more traffic than it usually does. It's only showing two births on the day Trig was born, and neither one of them was him.
    
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    by litho on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:16:42 PM PDT
    
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    Taken down? (0+ / 0-)
    
    I get a 404 File not Found error right away. Is taht really due to traffic to the site?
    
    by dick armey on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:49:18 PM PDT
    
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    That can happen with an overwhelmed server (0+ / 0-)
    
    the site is probably been Drudged and Dailykosed into oblivion
    
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    by yuriwho on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:58:35 PM PDT
    
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    Not working for me (0+ / 0-)
    
    Both links down. Somebody want to post a screenshot? What's to see?
    
    by thatvisionthing on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 10:15:50 PM PDT
    
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- (1+ / 0-)
  
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  by christomento on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:06:21 PM PDT
  
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- Just when you think we've hit bottom... (1+ / 0-)
  
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  here it comes again? hmmmmm....
  
  Your opinion, correct?
  
  There's a really neat way to finish the speculation.
  
  Find the birth certificate.
  
  That's my thought.
  
  Reality is best served in small portions and only to others.
  
  by 0hio on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:26:34 PM PDT
  
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  - Nope. (7+ / 0-)
    
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    You have it all backwards. The accuser has to provide the proof that Palin faked her pregnancy.
    
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    by Eternal Hope on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:27:43 PM PDT
    
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    - Those of us who've given birth before (29+ / 0-)
      
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      I think knew right away this story sounded completely unbelievable. The more you hear, the weirder it sounds.
      There's no option where Palin sounds smart or reasonable here.
      It's her baby, and yet she's taking long plane rides at 8 months pregnant to give a speech. She's leaking amniotic fluid -- where I'm betting 99 percent of doctors would say what mine did -- get to a hospital now! (And I was full-term at the time. Said I wanted to take a shower and needed to drop my 3-year-old off at pre-school and then my husband and I would be at the hospital. No, get to the hospital now. You're at risk for infection. If your membranes are ruptured completely, you're at risk for a prolapsed umbilical cord, where the cord comes out first, baby presses against it and cuts off his own oxygen supply.)
      And they wouldn't let me go more than 24 hours with ruptured membranes before doing a C-section. Too great a risk of infection.
      These are my pregnancy experiences. I'm sure there are many women on this site who will say they experienced the same things.
      I bet there's no one here who's ever been pregnant who had a doctor who said, If you're leaking amniotic fluid, it's ok to stay and give a speech and then fly home for 11 hours. Not a single one.
      
      We know this story stinks. She's lying. Or she's a terrible mother and not very smart.
      
      And if she's elected, she will not hesitate to try to tell me and my daughter what we can do with our own bodies should we become pregnant.
      
      That's why it's relevant. She wants to stick her nose into everyone's pregnancies. We have a right to know about hers.
      
      by teresahill on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:59:23 PM PDT
      
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      I was already hospitalized due to a high (3+ / 0-)
      
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      risk pregnancy, but had an emergency c-section within, I'd say, 15 minutes of my water breaking when my twins were 32 weeks along. I was a little younger I think, than Palin, but not much.
      
      by ksh01 on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:15:25 PM PDT
      
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      Well, I can see that. (1+ / 0-)
      
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      But the problem is that we don't know all of the details of Palin's situation because of the simple fact of doctor-patient confidentiality. In other words, your situation and hers might be two totally different situations.
      
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      by Eternal Hope on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:22:08 PM PDT
      
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      She had leaking amniotic fluid. That's what she (2+ / 0-)
      
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      said she had.
      Ask any doctor: you go to the hospital. They want to know if it really is amniotic fluid. They don't let you run around with ruptured membranes. You're risking infection. And ruptured membranes and infection are both risks for pre-term labor, which is why being confined to a plane, away from medical care, for hours and hours, is a bad idea.
      
      by teresahill on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:39:58 PM PDT
      
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      I'll tell you what: (0+ / 0-)
      
      Since your mother seems to have a lot of knowledge in this area, it might help a lot for her to post about this sort of thing. Now, I would caution that even she can only speak to these situations in general and not to Palin's specific situation, but I think to have an expert like your mother on here would really move this discussion along.
      
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      by Eternal Hope on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:43:52 PM PDT
      
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      Cokie Roberts said today that this was an example (5+ / 0-)
      
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      of a gutsy woman, getting on the plane while in labor. Supposing it is true and she had an inflight emergency and forced the flight to divert or forced the crew or medical people who happened to be travelling on the flight to deal with an in-flight medical emergency delivery. All this because she was gutsy and got on a long flight while in labor. Sounds selfish and stupid to me at best.
      
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      by MrJersey on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:59:24 PM PDT
      
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      "Can't have a fish picker from Texas" said Todd (0+ / 0-)
      
      Gutsy?
      
      http://www.adn.com/...
      
      "You can't have a fish picker from Texas," said Todd.
      
      by thatvisionthing on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 10:26:30 PM PDT
      
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  - Easy to fudge cert. when you're gov. (4+ / 0-)
    
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    Small state, small town, family with political pull, will scrub medical records, will get silence from hospital employees etc. (but I'm betting there would be a leak really soon.)
    
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    by gazingoffsouthward on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:07:18 PM PDT
    
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- I sort of agree (22+ / 0-)
  
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  that this sort of topic should be off limits. And it sounded like a ridiculous conspiracy theory to me at first. But the wedding ring on Bristol convinced me there may be some truth.
  
  I'd like to rely on the gossip press to handle this, though, not DKos.
  
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  by Anarchofascist on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:45:19 PM PDT
  
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  - well put n/t (2+ / 0-)
    
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    by stevej on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:54:33 PM PDT
    
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  - There is a simple explination... (7+ / 0-)
    
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    It's a "Promise" ring. A lot of fundamentalist Christians give these to their daughters... a sort of bribe to encourage them to save their hu-nany.
    
    I think we are verring into COLB-gate territory here, and should stop before we embarrass ourselves.
    
    by Tatan on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:55:22 PM PDT
    
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    - With all due repsect, I'm not embarrassing myself (7+ / 0-)
      
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      That diarist isn't even soiling their unknown name.
      
      If anyone is, it's Andrew Sullivan. If any political leader tied to the Obama campaign or high profile Democrat chimes in, they'd be at risk.
      
      But frankly, random people on Daily Kos making unsupported allegations? This is bad why? O'Reilly is going to take some comments out of context and make us look bad?
      
      WARNING: There is a high probability that the preceding comment is snark. Use your best judgment (hopefully better than Senator McCain's).
      
      by Anarchofascist on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:04:36 PM PDT
      
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      - It is surprising that anyone is worried (7+ / 0-)
        
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        what O'Reilly will think or say about us. We police ourselves pretty well, and generally avoid really nasty slurs and such (especially compared to Free Republic and Little Green Footballs).
        
        For that, O'Reilly calls us Satan, the KKK, and the Communist Party (often simultaneously).
        
        Nothing we say will change his opinion in any way. There are arguments against discussing this story, but that's not one of them.
        
        by sxp151 on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:09:58 PM PDT
        
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  - exactly (9+ / 0-)
    
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    when I saw this
    
    I had a feeling something was up, but I would think the tabloids are the better source. I wouldn't surprised if there's some announcement re: Bristol next week from the McCain camp.
    
    by ksh01 on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:03:00 PM PDT
    
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    - Who else is supposed to hold the baby? (13+ / 0-)
      
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      She's the eldest, isn't she? How can her holding the baby be twisted into any sort of proof of parenthood, for god's sake.
      
      If it's not a Corgi, it's just a dog.
      
      by PatsBard on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:10:43 PM PDT
      
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      - How about the DAD? Why would you assume the elde (21+ / 0-)
        
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        st DAUGHTER for this job, anywho?
        
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        by eyesonthestreet on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:28:10 PM PDT
        
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        Because she probably LIKES holding the baby (7+ / 0-)
        
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        Jesus, people! Get a grip!
        
        If it's not a Corgi, it's just a dog.
        
        by PatsBard on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:49:16 PM PDT
        
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      - When there is a big age difference... (9+ / 0-)
        
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        between siblings, the older ones often spend a lot of time helping with child care. That has certainly been the case in my family.
        
        When I look at this picture of Bristol I see a big sister who is doing a great job of taking care of her baby brother. Good for her.
        
        If Republicans were spreading rumors about Malia and Sasha in this way, people here would be just flipping out.
        
        Please, everyone, no more suspicious questions about Palin's children. It's just not right.
        
        by Lost and Found on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:59:57 PM PDT
        
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        What rubbish equating Malia and Sasha (0+ / 0-)
        
        to this situation. They could not even be involved in anything sordid like this. Get a reality check. She is at an age where being missing from school for 5 to 8 months is a Red Flag.
        
        by rock2casbah on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 11:07:18 PM PDT
        
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      - I'm talking about the ring (2+ / 0-)
        
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        wedding, engagement, or "promise" as one poster put it on the finger usually reserved for wedding bands.
        
        by ksh01 on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:16:27 PM PDT
        
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        rings are funny aren't they? (0+ / 0-)
        
        it's on the middle finger of her left hand in one of the pictures posted in the first diary. http://www.dailykos.com/...
        
        Steny Hoyer = a slam dunk argument for term limits
        
        by jlynne on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 11:02:35 PM PDT
        
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    - I hold my... (2+ / 0-)
      
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      ....siblings babies all the time gasp! even when the dad is around double gasp! This place is getting kooky!
      
      "Good to be here, good to be anywhere." --Keith Richards
      
      by bradreiman on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:42:02 PM PDT
      
      [ Parent ]
  - It's a "Promise Ring" (5+ / 0-)
    
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    Common in my neck of the woods, where there's all breeds of wingnuts. I'm not one so I can't tell you all the meaning of it 'cause I might get something wrong. Note that her ring is NOT worn on the ring finger.
    
    This diary is trollish, but only in the sense that it assumes an answer to a rumour that has not been confirmed yet.
    
    For the record (flame away), I do think that that Down's kid is Palin's grandson, not her son. But we don't have any real proof, and until more evidence comes up, it's best to not hammer it.
    
    Let's let the National Enquirer deal with this for now.
    
    Obama '08. Good for the Party, Good for the Country.
    
    by SouthernFried on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:07:44 PM PDT
    
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    - You have finger counting issues (2+ / 0-)
      
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      The Promise Ring theory may well be correct. There is some evidence pointing away from a Bristol pregnancy as well as toward.
      
      But that's definitely on her ring finger of her left hand.
      
      Nothing feels good like you in red and blue jeans and your white and night things. And your white and night things.
      
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      by Anarchofascist on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:11:55 PM PDT
      
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      - You're right.... (3+ / 0-)
        
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        The picture of Bristol and the Kid clearly shows a ring on her left hand on the fourth finger, where one expects a wedding ring to be. Doesn't change the fact it's a Promise Ring, though it may be an Engagement Ring (doubtful).
        
        I was referring to a different picture from a different diary, an outdoor family shot which showed her wearing a ring on her middle finger, which is traditionally where a Promise Ring goes.
        
        As to the girl herself, I don't enjoy talking about her. It's sad that her name is going to get dragged through the mud, whether or not the rumours are true (evidence sketchy)
        
        Obama '08. Good for the Party, Good for the Country.
        
        by SouthernFried on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:34:52 PM PDT
        
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    - yet it disappears in later photos taken the same (1+ / 0-)
      
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      day. There are pics with and without on Meghan McCain's blogette thingie. It's odd. I'm guessing you have no proof it's a promise ring? I don't mean to slam you, I just wondered if there is any.
      
      Agree about the proof, although I don't know what the truth is here or what our role should be or is. I'm clueless, but something's up...something's not right and, well, I guess the ball is in Palin's court to either explain or let the rumors go on.
      
      I wouldn't be surprised if Palin does a smear site, if it's all untrue.
      
      by ksh01 on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:17:36 PM PDT
      
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      - Nope. (3+ / 0-)
        
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        The ball is in our court to prove that it is true. Just like any other allegation.
        
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        by Eternal Hope on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:18:23 PM PDT
        
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        well yeah, I agree that (0+ / 0-)
        
        it's not going to prove itself. But EH, I did a search yesterday to see who, what, where people are chatting about this and it's all over the place. On many small social networking sites (many for women only). It grows at her peril...well, at least at this point, it's at her peril, we'll see. Once it hits Perez Hilton, it's all over the place though.
        
        by ksh01 on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:01:57 PM PDT
        
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  - This topic shouldn't be off limits (6+ / 0-)
    
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    If it's true. It means a woman who could be VP is a lying you know what.
    
    by Voodoo king on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:08:39 PM PDT
    
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    - Yeah, just like Clinton (2+ / 0-)
      
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      But, but, but... she lied to America! Just what Obama needs.
      
      It's a private/family matter for pete's sake!
      
      From Europe? Join the fun at the European Tribune!
      
      by hesk on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:13:19 PM PDT
      
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  - Someone, however, has to keep the pressure on (1+ / 0-)
    
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    the gossip press to get it to the traditional media. Without the blogs, the DOJ US Deputy Attorney General scandals would have never gotten off the ground.
    
    And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996
    
    by MrJersey on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:03:08 PM PDT
    
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- People are falling for the bait (20+ / 0-)
  
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  This is the only thing that can lose the election. It's complete and utter bullshit, and idiotic politics. Though part of me thinks that at least some of this shit is the work of Republican moles.
  
  by The Bagof Health and Politics on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:52:39 PM PDT
  
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  - Even if they didn't put us up to it, (11+ / 0-)
    
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    the fact that people are sitting here -- again -- perusing photos of Palin's daughter does not speak well for the Kossack community.
    
    If we are going to be at all consistent with our tireless advocacy of privacy rights, and with our anger over the incessant smears that both Obama and Clinton were subjected to throughout the primaries, then we need to let this go.
    
    Nothing requires a greater effort of thought than arguments to justify the rule of nonthought. -- Milan Kundera
    
    by Dale on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:06:43 PM PDT
    
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    - I agree -- this is not our business (7+ / 0-)
      
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      both in terms of substance AND process
      
      To give credit where it's due, the National Enquirer actually hit the Dem political establishment -- and that includes us -- with the truth in the Edwards case. If true, this story will come out in spades in the tabloid press -- let them do the dirty work.
      
      There, I've made my point, and with that, I'm out.
      
      Where's your Obama office?
      
      by Comrade Brad on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:15:14 PM PDT
      
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  - The rumours started before she was picked as VP (9+ / 0-)
    
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    There's a blog dated Aug 8th on reddit.com that discusses the controversy.
    
    by Momentum on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:08:20 PM PDT
    
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    - Do you have a link? (1+ / 0-)
      
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      by mariva on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:03:49 PM PDT
      
      [ Parent ]
  - If this is credible...it does matter....someone (7+ / 0-)
    
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    this unknown thrust this close to such power -- a 50% chance of becoming the 2nd most powerful person on the planet in two months -- and what do we know about her?!
    
    That's political and national security malpractice on McCain's part. We know nothing about this woman.
    
    That's insane. How do you know she's not capable of pulling some kind of stunt like this? And if she is, and we elect her Vice President of the United States -- a heartbeat away -- this is like the friggin' Dead Zone.
    
    Two months. That's how much time we have to figure out who the hell this woman is.
    
    Obama's been vetted and tested and subjected to how many stories, debates, elections in the past two years?
    
    Palin? Scary, scary shit.
    
    The Delivery Man by Joe McGinniss Jr. [Grove/Atlantic January, 2008]
    
    by joemcginnissjr on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:29:08 PM PDT
    
    [ Parent ]
    - Even if it isn't credible, she scares me (0+ / 0-)
      
      Granted, I'm a partisan for Obama, but still, what if he wins?
      
      The way I look at it, even if you didn't like a presidential or vice presidential candidate's politics if, for example (and god forbid) CANDIDATE John McCain had a fatal heart attack, would the people then be comfortable with Sarah Palin as taking his place? (I know she wouldn't be the nominee, but this is how I'm looking at it). I would think the answer is a resounding NO!
      
      And maybe that's where it will hit Americans hardest, especially with such an older possible president.
      
      by ksh01 on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:04:48 PM PDT
      
      [ Parent ]
  - What makes you think only Kossacks are wondering? (0+ / 0-)
    
    It started in Alaska and it's out there on Huffington Post and Andrew Sullivan and Drudge and...
    
    by thatvisionthing on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 11:01:55 PM PDT
    
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- If you have something of interest (7+ / 0-)
  
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  Take it to Drudge or National Inquiror. This is not appropriate for this site.
  
  If you want to practice gutter politics AND not hurt the reputation of the liberal left here at dkos, the send this information to the appropriate venue.
  
  We are not the appropriate place for gutter politics.
  
  We are better than this.
  
  We should be better than this.
  
  Think, for a freaking change before you post.
  
  We are all Droogie....f*ck the AP
  
  by crazyshirley2100 on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:53:20 PM PDT
  
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  - Um...this isn't my diary. (3+ / 0-)
    
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    by turnover on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:56:04 PM PDT
    
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    - Realized after I posted (4+ / 0-)
      
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      and requested a tip jar.
      
      We are all Droogie....f*ck the AP
      
      by crazyshirley2100 on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:57:53 PM PDT
      
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      - No apology? (2+ / 0-)
        
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        by elwior on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:08:50 PM PDT
        
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  - Drudge won't touch it. (1+ / 0-)
    
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    I heard the National Enquirer has reporters on this story.
    
    "No Way! No How! No McCain!"
    
    by Nedsdag on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:51:04 PM PDT
    
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  - This Is A Very Appropriate Site to Talk About It (0+ / 0-)
    
    We are vetting Sarah Palin because John McCain did not vet her properly. The allegation that the Christian right-wing conservative pro-life Republican vice presidential candidate lied about the birth of her grandson Trig is a gravely serious issue. Again, it's not about Bristol allegedly giving birth to Trig. It's about Sarah Palin allegedly lying about it to use Trig to portray her as a staunch pro-life in this election.
    
    Moreover, this YouTube broadcast provides even more information supporting the allegation. And this allegation has already spread out all over the Internet.
    
    by Gorestro on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 09:27:47 PM PDT
    
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- The hair (12+ / 0-)
  
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  is the real issue here. Of the collage of the two preggers Sarahs the diarist says:
  
  The disparity is shocking
  
  Indeed, but it's not the physique, it's the hair. How the heck did folks have such poor taste in hairdos in the eighties?
  
  Anyway, folks should just leave the Gilf* and her baby alone. I think her candidacy is going to go Eagleton all by itself on the merits. A slimy push from the leftist blogosphere is not needed, is not helpful, and will only serve to discredit us.
  * where the G stands for Governor not Grandmother.
  
  by westegg on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:56:09 PM PDT
  
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    I agree about the hair. The 80s were a no no for fashion and hairdos.
    
    Except of course for my man LL Cool J. Who doesn't love him?
    
    by around the way girl on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:03:56 PM PDT
    
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    - Don't call it a comeback.... (3+ / 0-)
      
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      he's been here for years.
      
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      by duck on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:16:10 PM PDT
      
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        by around the way girl on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:29:05 PM PDT
        
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  - You're right. That *is* the scandal. (6+ / 0-)
    
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    Even worse, though, is the shocking way that Palin has hung onto the worst of those 1980s fashions.
    
    Two words: Hoop. Earings.
    
    She's running for VP, not for backup vocals with Gloria Estafan.
    
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    by Dale on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:11:58 PM PDT
    
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    - Hahahaha (2+ / 0-)
      
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      OH you guys are on fire tonight. So true though.
      
      Also, why is she still rocking a beehive?
      
      by around the way girl on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:56:22 PM PDT
      
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      - She schoolmarmed up. (1+ / 0-)
        
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        To try to down play her beauty queen republican warrior princess look.
        
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        by beijingbetty on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:02:45 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
- Here's the problem. (11+ / 0-)
  
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  The GOP has made this an issue by trying to paint her as some sort of heroic figure for having a child with DS while simultaneously being a fantastic governor.
  
  If it's not true then people deserve to know they're getting played.
  
  Man. Some "progressives" make Archie Bunker look like Tim Wise.
  
  by JayGR on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:02:33 PM PDT
  
  [ Parent ]
  - Palin wouldn't hesitate to try to ban abortions (7+ / 0-)
    
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    of any kind in this country for my daughters and yours. And yet she's ready to lie about her own daughter's pregnancy?
    No, not that. I really wouldn't mind if she lied about her daughter's pregnancy to protect her daughter.
    But once she's claimed the baby as hers, she doesn't get to be VP. She turns down VP because she's decided to lie and protect her daughter. Bringing that kind of scrutiny to the family is sure to bring out this secret.
    Unless being VP is more important than protecting her daughter. (And I believe it must be to Palin.)
    
    If it is her child, she chose to go on the road for a grueling two months with a 4-month old, special-needs child. I can't think of any good mother who would do that. You can't travel constantly for two months with a child that age, and I sure wouldn't leave him at home for that long.
    
    So I question her judgment whether the baby is hers or not. And I think I have a right when she wants to tell me and my daughter what we can do with our own bodies.
    
    by teresahill on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:36:16 PM PDT
    
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    - Either way I question her judgment (6+ / 0-)
      
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      since, even if she's telling the truth, she endangered the life of her child by her actions.
      
      Man. Some "progressives" make Archie Bunker look like Tim Wise.
      
      by JayGR on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:39:10 PM PDT
      
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    - Actually that age is a great age for travel (2+ / 0-)
      
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      if you have any help. They sleep a lot, aren't crawling or walking into trouble. You'd have plenty of time to cuddle with him as you traveled.
      
      The thing a "good mother" would not do is get on a plane when she had lost some fluid and had some contractions. If she is the mother she should not be VP because that was crazy bad judgment.
      
      by joynow on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:48:12 PM PDT
      
      [ Parent ]
      - Take a trip, OK. But be on the road from dawn (0+ / 0-)
        
        until midnight for two months straight? Going to give or six cities a day, the way a VP candidate goes?
        I don't think so.
        
        by teresahill on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:37:24 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
      - Huh? (0+ / 0-)
        
        They are still getting immunizations and usually get a little sick or have other reactions from them. They pick up colds and stomach viruses from anyone anywhere. They are starting to teethe. They get mysterious fevers and rashes. They get ear infections. Air travel bothers their ears and they scream even when they don't have ear infections.
        
        Maybe a bit of a trip--a vacation or something--would be fine. But travel as a regular part of existence for a four-month-old? I think it would be really hard.
        
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        by NCJan on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:35:32 PM PDT
        
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  There once was a man named mccain, who had the whole white house to gain, but he was quite a hobbyist of boning his lobbyist, so much for his 08 campaign. SC
  
  by christomento on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:06:13 PM PDT
  
  [ Parent ]
- I really think this diarist needs to be banned (11+ / 0-)
  
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  and warnings put out to anyone else who wants to post these types of diaries.
  
  If it's not a Corgi, it's just a dog.
  
  by PatsBard on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:07:31 PM PDT
  
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  - what type of diary is this (4+ / 0-)
    
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    where will you start drawing the lines? Will we use your sensibilities or mine? The title of the diary makes its content clear self censor.
    
    "I've been so focused on state government, I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq," Sarah Palin 07/07
    
    by Adept2u on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:14:04 PM PDT
    
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      And these diaries are off limits. It's what they say, not what we say.
      
      Conservatism is Dead!
      
      by Eternal Hope on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:23:15 PM PDT
      
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      - Although I agree 110% -nt- (1+ / 0-)
        
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        John McCain hates children.
        
        by discocarp on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:57:38 PM PDT
        
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    - Conspiracy theories, attacking children (3+ / 0-)
      
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      The admins have already drawn the lines.
      
      If it's not a Corgi, it's just a dog.
      
      by PatsBard on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:50:39 PM PDT
      
      [ Parent ]
      - Funny thing about "conspiracy theories" (2+ / 0-)
        
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        It depends on who the theorists are whether they are accepted or not, doesn't it? It's who you are, not what you know. For instance, no centrist and few liberals would ever think of even questioning, much less scrutinizing, "conspiracy theories" that come from the police.
        
        A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. ~Edward R. Murrow
        
        by ActivistGuy on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:15:21 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        Good sig line (0+ / 0-)
        
        by thatvisionthing on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 11:35:21 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
  - Totally disagree! (2+ / 0-)
    
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    While I disagree with any premature conclusion, I do see enough here to make me wonder.
    Unlike the misinformation propagated by the wingnuts against Barack and Michelle Obama, I don't see an organized attempt here to smear anyone, or to deliberately tell lies about a candidate and her family.
    If treated as what it is now, an unproven hypothesis
    based on facts that have an odd sound and feel, and pictures which tend to add possible visual corroboration, it is merely a matter that merits further examination.
    I see nothing to fear in discussing all of this, so long as we reserve judgment, and do not state unproven matters as fact.
    
    McCain's platform: Noun, verb, POW!!
    
    by elwior on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:26:05 PM PDT
    
    [ Parent ]
    - It's already been decided. (2+ / 0-)
      
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      This is not a matter that is appropriate to discuss on a blog that is supposed to be about electing Democrats.
      
      Conservatism is Dead!
      
      by Eternal Hope on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:35:36 PM PDT
      
      [ Parent ]
      - Have you ever read Ibsen's play (0+ / 0-)
        
        Enemy of the People?
        
        Who exactly decided this?
        
        McCain's platform: Noun, verb, POW!!
        
        by elwior on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:12:31 PM PDT
        
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        It has definitely been decided that (1+ / 0-)
        
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        Obama will be president. Let's save the time and money of that silly election...for it has been decided, decreed and so it will be.
        
        by joynow on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:50:16 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        Georgia10 and Meteor Blades. (0+ / 0-)
        
        Take it up with them.
        
        Conservatism is Dead!
        
        by Eternal Hope on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:06:41 PM PDT
        
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        Perhaps I will (1+ / 0-)
        
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        I'm not sure how to contact them though, but I do believe people here are being a bit skittish on this one. Me, I like to think for myself, and speak for myself.
        And in a way, the skittishness puts me in mind of of Congresspeople who we so bitterly criticized for not standing up to the "president" on the War, FISA, and such, out of similar fears.
        I'm not convinced by any means about this story, but I do NOT fear discussing it.
        
        McCain's platform: Noun, verb, POW!!
        
        by elwior on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:24:21 PM PDT
        
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        On the side: (2+ / 0-)
        
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        There is a Contact Us link. But I will say that even georgia10 admitted that it was bizarre and that there was nothing wrong with discussing it -- just jumping to premature conclusions like "PALIN FAKES PREGNANCY!" So, you and her seem to be on the same page.
        
        Conservatism is Dead!
        
        by Eternal Hope on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:30:05 PM PDT
        
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        Yes, I agree with her point of view exactly! (1+ / 0-)
        
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        And thank you!
        
        McCain's platform: Noun, verb, POW!!
        
        by elwior on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:44:03 PM PDT
        
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        speaking for myself (4+ / 0-)
        
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        and only for myself, as I always have on this matter, I do not see a problem discussing the circumstances surrounding Palin's behavior re: the pregnancy, or asking questions. I will be the first to admit that going into labor and deciding to give a speech rather than go to the hospital may raise questions of judgment.
        
        The problem was recommending a diary that stated, conclusively, that the the child was not Palin's but belonged to her 16 yr old daughter. That conclusions, presented as definitive and iron-clad, was entirely inappropriate for the rec list, I think.
        
        But discussing the topic generally, or dealing with the questions relating to the bizarre circumstances surrounding the story in a responsible manner-that's fine, I think, and indeed, is what blogs are all about. Peddling rumor as definitive fact though? That shouldn't be what we are about.
        
        by georgia10 on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 09:47:05 PM PDT
        
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        That's actually a defensible line in the sand. (1+ / 0-)
        
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        Treat it as alleged, show the evidence that there is (from both or as many sides as you can find) and permit the reader to come to his/her own conclusions.
        
        And above all, understand and state the difference between fact and opinion.
        
        Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
        I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
        ^{-Spike Milligan}
        
        by polecat on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 09:50:18 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        Thanks, and I agree. (0+ / 0-)
        
        There was another recommended diary about this that purported to show Palin pregnant, yet it turns out that it was taken in August, when the baby was born in April. It was traced back to a Flicker post which had a "Press Secretary McAllister" in it along with the governor, yet there was no such person there until August. So, neither that photo, nor the diarist's photos tell me anything. All of this is a matter of peoples' subjective judgments at this point.
        
        Conservatism is Dead!
        
        by Eternal Hope on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 10:49:51 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
      - I remember not too long ago (3+ / 0-)
        
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        any mention of John Edwards having had an affair was similarly greeted here. Closed minds often make their owners end up looking, well, not so good, particularly in a medium which purports to be about the dissemination of unfiltered information.
        
        A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. ~Edward R. Murrow
        
        by ActivistGuy on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:17:46 PM PDT
        
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        There was no way we could look into the truth (0+ / 0-)
        
        or lies around the story of the affair, not unless one of us was a person involved or close to one. All we had was the NE story, that was it. Not that the clues in this one are definitive, but at least there are some.
        
        I can see why it wasn't a topic to talk about.
        I wish it had been a lie.
        
        by joynow on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:54:46 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
  - This diarist as every right to post here. (9+ / 0-)
    
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    The story is very plausible. Lets see where further investigation leads.
    
    by Voodoo king on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:40:58 PM PDT
    
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  - Ja vol Herr Commandant!! (1+ / 2-)
    
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    Hidden by:
    sxp151, PatsBard
    
    Und zen ve must line zem up and shoot zem!!!!
    
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    McCrusty: "You kids get off a my lawns!!!!!!!"
    
    by PBJ Diddy on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:45:03 PM PDT
    
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    - Totally uncalled for (3+ / 0-)
      
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      If it's not a Corgi, it's just a dog.
      
      by PatsBard on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:52:00 PM PDT
      
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      - No, what's uncalled for is censorship. (4+ / 0-)
        
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        Intelligent people can make up their minds without banning something so other people don't get to think for themselves. I was mocking the jackboot of the commenter who felt they alone possessed the judgement to ban somebody...rings a little of book-burning to me. I stand by my Ja-Vol.
        
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        by PBJ Diddy on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:02:31 PM PDT
        
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        And the admins have already denounced this diary (5+ / 0-)
        
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        topic.
        
        This is the second time this diarist has posted the same crap - bannable offense.
        
        If it's not a Corgi, it's just a dog.
        
        by PatsBard on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:06:47 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        Well, I mock them too then. (1+ / 0-)
        
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        Merely having the title of administrator doesn't make someone right. They undoubtedly may ban anyone they want, but the diary raises questions. If the questions are easily dispelled, then truth is the greatest disinfectant. If not -- I remember well the Edwards fiasco, and believe me -- a lot of folks around here had egg on their faces after swearing it was gutter politics only to see that a) it mattered and b) it was true. This could mean the election. And the election could decide life or death. So hide behind your righteousness, but I'm quite comfortable saying to ANYONE that there is no crime in asking a question. And if Dkos should be ashamed, it should be ashamed of censoring entire TOPICS, not individual words or comments.
        
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        by PBJ Diddy on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:11:48 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        Diarist has developed an immunity to truth. (0+ / 0-)
        
        And having the title of administrator does make them right, by definition (unless Kos steps in). What they say goes, period.
        
        Denny Crane: But if he supports a law, and then agrees to let it lapse … then that would make him …
        Shirley Schmidt: A Democrat.
        
        by Jyrinx on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:19:27 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        Truth hasn't been established, (0+ / 0-)
        
        but apparently a distasteful question is unaskable regardless of the answer. Be proud.
        
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        by PBJ Diddy on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:45:49 PM PDT
        
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        People aren't just asking questions. (0+ / 0-)
        
        They're posting utter bullshit, complete with lies about when photos were taken, fabrications about mononucleosis, etc. Whether the diarists involved are themselves lying or are merely repeating lies, they are clearly not demonstrating due diligence in the matter (and a lot of diligence is due here).
        
        Besides, people are forgetting that if this story is true it may well only help Palin. Many fundies will applaud her for protecting her daughter from embarrassment after having made her go through with the pregnancy (rather than arrange an abortion). And honestly, I have to say I'm not even sure I disagree — to live one's beliefs in such a difficult situation is in fact admirable.
        
        And don't forget that Obama was also born out of wedlock, a fact that hasn't been mentioned much explicitly. We may want to leave that hornet's nest alone altogether.
        
        Denny Crane: But if he supports a law, and then agrees to let it lapse … then that would make him …
        Shirley Schmidt: A Democrat.
        
        by Jyrinx on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:57:32 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        This pseudo-scandal/rumor goes directly (1+ / 0-)
        
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        to the heart of her prime qualification. She was most assuredly NOT chosen for her experience. Her own pandering to Clinton voters indicates that issues will not be the focus of her raison d'etre. The one, the ONLY issue here and the reason she was put forth as "exactly" who we need in the (possible) white house (other than her gender, which although admirable would qualify over half the population as a sole criterium) is her judgement and character. Whichever 'truth' is correct in this matter, the facts...the questions are important in evaluating both her judgement and character. While the fundies may love her regardless, the American people don't like liars. Even if she's not a liar, she can only but lose votes by having wider exposure of the bizarre circumstances of the birth -- who among the people you know would ADMIRE her for dripping amniotic fluid for 22 hours on a cross-continental iditarod with the full information she had both a problem fetus and a premature labor?
        
        It would be ridiculous to give this story a pass.
        
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        by PBJ Diddy on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:28:39 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        Nobody would see her as a liar for it, (2+ / 0-)
        
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        especially after the spin machine is done with the story. I mean, if you ask people whether it's okay to lie in order to protect your daughter, you'll get a whole lot of HELL YES.
        
        And actually, if the circumstances of the birth actually are a legitimate issue (about which I'm not convinced), making a big deal of whose baby it is will only cover for that. Debunked scandals have a way of immunizing one against related scandals (think Fontgate).
        
        (BTW, much as I appreciate that you know that criteria is plural, the singular is actually criterion. Carry on :-) )
        
        Denny Crane: But if he supports a law, and then agrees to let it lapse … then that would make him …
        Shirley Schmidt: A Democrat.
        
        by Jyrinx on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:39:26 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        Crap. Criterion. Damns. (0+ / 0-)
        
        Doubt that the coverup would be a net positive as you suggest, in any event -- it would be a distraction, and that is a victory in the PR wars. In fact, I think this whole thing is glorious in as much as it steals the narrative which is tantamount to running out the clock -- when you do that, victory goes to the guy who was ahead before you changed the subject.
        
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        by PBJ Diddy on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:56:39 PM PDT
        
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        A distraction is *good* for them. (1+ / 0-)
        
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        They need as many shiny objects as they can get to distract people from thinking about what the last eight years have done to America.
        
        Denny Crane: But if he supports a law, and then agrees to let it lapse … then that would make him …
        Shirley Schmidt: A Democrat.
        
        by Jyrinx on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:58:31 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        Distractions are only good when you're ahead. n/t (0+ / 0-)
        
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        by PBJ Diddy on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:04:04 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        How? (0+ / 0-)
        
        If you're ahead, you don't want to distract from whatever is putting you ahead. A distraction serves to change the narrative.
        
        Denny Crane: But if he supports a law, and then agrees to let it lapse … then that would make him …
        Shirley Schmidt: A Democrat.
        
        by Jyrinx on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:04:55 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        Newtonian physics (0+ / 0-)
        
        a tangential force can't move you backward or forward....the race freezes while everyone searches the woods for the missing white woman (or whatever).
        
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        by PBJ Diddy on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:18:33 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        These "Distractions" (0+ / 0-)
        
        happen to be a young girl and a baby.
        
        by Poor Grunt on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:16:30 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        Well, that is unfortunate. (0+ / 0-)
        
        But then again it's even more unfortunate that they were initially brought in as props by their mother (and the baby's story made an essential qualifying part of her "character" and judgement, vis a vis pro-life, walking the walk, etc.)
        
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        by PBJ Diddy on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:20:33 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        Why not wait (0+ / 0-)
        
        For this to, at least, reach the level of the National Enquirer before we pursue this any further?
        
        After all, isn't this an example of making this election about "little things"?
        
        by Poor Grunt on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:26:23 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        First, Obama WAS born in wedlock. (0+ / 0-)
        
        He was CONCEIVED out of wedlock.
        
        There is a difference. Be accurate.
        
        Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
        I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
        ^{-Spike Milligan}
        
        by polecat on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 09:46:51 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        Diarist is posting plain evidence (0+ / 0-)
        
        so it's kind of funny to see you say the DIARIST has developed an immunity to truth. And the title of administrator doesn't make them right, it makes them have powers. Wise? I disagreed on Stranahan banning but Georgia10 above drew a reasonable line in the sand for this case, and here we are still seeing this diary and commenting, God bless. Of interest, Stranahan posted a blog on Huffington Post where he says DKos is running off with a bad story here as opposed to his good story that he was banned for. I throw my hands up in the air. PBJ Diddy said it best above you.
        
        by thatvisionthing on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 11:58:43 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        Respectfully Disagree (0+ / 0-)
        
        CT Diaries are not allowed, for example. I believe that the FAQ insists that fantastic claims require fantastic evidence, or some sort of verbiage.
        
        I think this topic crosses the border in that it attempts to draw-in two "innocent by-standers" as collateral damage- that is the two youngsters.
        
        I am very comfortable allowing a raising the bar for tolerance when it comes to the candidates families- especially the children.
        
        by Poor Grunt on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:14:20 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        Can you shoot me a link (2+ / 0-)
        
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        to Admin finally saying something about this? Many of us have openly commented that there has been a serious lack of Admin on this subject and I've seen nothing on the front page about it, either. Then again, I stayed off this site all day today, on purpose, out of disgust for this shit.
        
        What's a good atheist substitute for "God bless America and Godspeed to you all"? Have a nice day and drive fast?
        
        by Pager on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:18:57 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        Georgia10 posted a rather stern "suggestion" (4+ / 0-)
        
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        that everyone unrec the diary entry that made the rec list.
        
        Denny Crane: But if he supports a law, and then agrees to let it lapse … then that would make him …
        Shirley Schmidt: A Democrat.
        
        by Jyrinx on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:20:20 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        I'm glad to hear it (3+ / 0-)
        
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        but I'd really, really like to see something a bit more than that come from Admin. This site look stupid and second rate, at this point. Then again, if Kos doesn't mind losing his credibility, why should I care?
        
        Appreciate the link below. Thanks for that, Jyrinx.
        
        What's a good atheist substitute for "God bless America and Godspeed to you all"? Have a nice day and drive fast?
        
        by Pager on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:22:12 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        I dunno, Georgia sounded pretty serious. (3+ / 0-)
        
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        There was definitely an implication that further measures are imminent.
        
        Denny Crane: But if he supports a law, and then agrees to let it lapse … then that would make him …
        Shirley Schmidt: A Democrat.
        
        by Jyrinx on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:25:48 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        Yeah, I think you are reading her right. (3+ / 0-)
        
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        I just followed your link and I really want to applaud her for stepping up. Good on her.
        
        What's a good atheist substitute for "God bless America and Godspeed to you all"? Have a nice day and drive fast?
        
        by Pager on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:37:32 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        I would certainly hope so (1+ / 0-)
        
        Recommended by:
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        Check out what the diary resulted in:
        
        A headline spot on Drudge Report linking directly to the first diary. Pathetic.
        
        This diarist is now responsible for a lot of people who have never even heard of DailyKos now thinking of it as a complete tabloid trash site. Great first impression to give millions of people.
        
        John McCain | John McCain
        
        by Lauren S on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:40:27 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        GODDAMN IT. (1+ / 0-)
        
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        If nothing else, this is why we need a Smite button. Nasty comments can get hidden, and this gives us cover. Nasty diaries, not so much.
        
        Denny Crane: But if he supports a law, and then agrees to let it lapse … then that would make him …
        Shirley Schmidt: A Democrat.
        
        by Jyrinx on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:48:46 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        It gets much worse (1+ / 0-)
        
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        ksh01 just posted that Perez Hilton has reported it at his site. I went over to check it out and not only is it posted as "YOU MUST READ THIS!" but it is now the #1 most emailed post at perezhilton.com
        
        Unbelievable. Why is this diarist not banned after this repeat performance?
        
        The perezhilton post isn't subtle either.
        
        You Must...
        Filed under: Etc.
        
        Click HERE!
        Click HERE!
        Click HERE!
        Click HERE!
        Click HERE!
        Click HERE!
        Posted: August 31, 2008 at 4:18 pm
        
        Drudge + PerezHilton = Millions of readers
        
        John McCain | John McCain
        
        by Lauren S on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:53:03 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        perezhilton link (0+ / 0-)
        
        http://perezhilton.com/...
        
        John McCain | John McCain
        
        by Lauren S on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:54:02 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        Well, that's not exactly seen as a kingmaker (1+ / 0-)
        
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        of news stories the way Drudge is, is it?
        
        Denny Crane: But if he supports a law, and then agrees to let it lapse … then that would make him …
        Shirley Schmidt: A Democrat.
        
        by Jyrinx on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:55:47 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        politically speaking? no, not political at all (1+ / 0-)
        
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        It's an extremely popular site though with a very high readership. I'd say it could be even worse than Drudge linking because the percentage of people at PH who are familiar with DKos is probably much lower than Drudge by far. So this will be a first impression of DailyKos for a lot of people.
        
        John McCain | John McCain
        
        by Lauren S on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:58:24 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        But will that crowd (1+ / 0-)
        
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        be as likely to see the story as something reflecting negatively on us? I mean, absent an outrage machine, I should think low-info types would eat this sort of rumormongering up …
        
        Also, a post containing nothing but the words "CLICK HERE" is certainly framing it as a credible story, which is much different from the Drudge "lefty bloggers" treatment.
        
        Denny Crane: But if he supports a law, and then agrees to let it lapse … then that would make him …
        Shirley Schmidt: A Democrat.
        
        by Jyrinx on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:01:29 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        I don't think Perez is worried about how any (1+ / 0-)
        
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        story is framed. He lives for pushing gossip as fact.
        
        The saving grace with that crowd though is as you imply, they will definitely eat it up and it's most likely a more liberal readership.
        
        Regardless, between Drudge and PerezHilton, that's a shitload of people who will see complete rumor reported as absolute fact BY DailyKos as most of those people won't know the difference between a diarist reporting it and the site itself reporting it. Hell, Drudge is attributing it to Kos himself by his headline. The "lefty bloggers" headline is linked to a post by Amanda Carpenter at Townhall.com.
        
        John McCain | John McCain
        
        by Lauren S on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:05:19 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        Yeah, Drudge is more worrisome. (1+ / 0-)
        
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        (BTW, that's what I meant by "framing" — I guess I meant more in the sense of "presenting" than "spinning.")
        
        Another mitigating factor with PerezHilton would I imagine be that if he's that big a rumormonger he probably links to lots of different sites of varying credibility all the time. Seems just as likely people will forget about Daily Kos tomorrow when he finds another shiny object to throw toward them.
        
        Denny Crane: But if he supports a law, and then agrees to let it lapse … then that would make him …
        Shirley Schmidt: A Democrat.
        
        by Jyrinx on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:10:16 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        The damage won't be longlasting or (1+ / 0-)
        
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        widespread but the problem is that there shouldn't have had to be damage to this site to begin with.
        
        John McCain | John McCain
        
        by Lauren S on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:18:41 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        The irony of the PerezHilton link to the diary (0+ / 0-)
        
        is that this is the type of story that PerezHilton and his ilk are known for. Pure tabloid trash, gossip, etc... he's been sued several times.
        
        John McCain | John McCain
        
        by Lauren S on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:02:00 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
        
        And here's the link: (3+ / 0-)
        
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        http://www.dailykos.com/...
        
        Denny Crane: But if he supports a law, and then agrees to let it lapse … then that would make him …
        Shirley Schmidt: A Democrat.
        
        by Jyrinx on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:21:14 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
    - Uprated (0+ / 0-)
      
      Realistically, this did not need to be hidden. It really is just a Meta argument.
      
      A bit off-key humor, but not, but any stretch of the imagination, deserving to be hidden, at least by my understanding of the FAQ.
      
      by Poor Grunt on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 07:54:22 PM PDT
      
      [ Parent ]
  - I really think you're crazy and overreaching (0+ / 0-)
    
    MHO.
    
    The diarist is substantiating his or her claims with photographs, videos and published news accounts, and the subject of Palin's truthfulness and judgment is legitimate and widely discussed, as it should be. If it's true, she didn't have to lie, she could have simply adopted openly. If it's not true, she could debunk like Obama did when there were rumors that he wasn't a natural-born citizen--put up a debunking website and post evidence. Instead evidence is disappearing. You don't have to read this diary or scroll deeply through the comments. And you don't have to hijack this information away from others who can handle the truth. You think we look awful for discussing this? I think we look awful for all the rec'd comments calling for censorship. We apparently want a nanny state after all.
    
    by thatvisionthing on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 11:33:20 PM PDT
    
    [ Parent ]
- what I can never figure out is all these (4+ / 0-)
  
  Recommended by:
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  people who are so utterly disgusted by a diary's subject----why are they reading it? Why don't they just skip it and move on down the road.
  The subject matter was evident from the diary's title. How can you be so shocked and offended. Don't read it if it is so offensive. Look down the list and find one you like.
  That's what I do----there's plenty I avoid, by the subject alone. Will save all this need to type words of disgust.
  
  by dotster on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:42:59 PM PDT
  
  [ Parent ]
  - Because ultimately it isn't about the diary (2+ / 0-)
    
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    It's about the site. Is this the kind of crap we want this place to be known for all across the intertoobz?
    
    I think not.
    
    Michael
    Musing's musings
    
    by musing85 on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 06:17:56 PM PDT
    
    [ Parent ]
    - I like it (0+ / 0-)
      
      Here's why:
      
      Because any schmuck can do the work, gather the evidence, piece a puzzle together from bits of reality and post it. Then any other schmuck can find more evidence and shoot a hole through the first one, or back it up. It's active critical collaborative thinking, not passive lapping of pablum. It's firing on all cylinders. It's fearless curiosity. I don't have to depend on the MSM transcribing Rove's talking points. This is how we pour water on Rove. Said hideously: "I'm melting, I'm melting! All my beautiful wickedness!" Such music to ponder.
      
      by thatvisionthing on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 12:30:19 AM PDT
      
      [ Parent ]
- The Mat-Su Regional Site no longer available. (0+ / 0-)
  
  I was looking on the site at the list of births on April 18, and suddenly it was gone.
  
  by draba on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 08:03:49 PM PDT
  
  [ Parent ]
Good diary Mr. Hannity (24+ / 0-)

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If your diary is shorter than a Jeff Foxworthy joke....it might be a comment.

by ford prefect 2 on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:42:00 PM PDT
- More likely Mr. Rove (9+ / 0-)
  
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  This is too clever by half for Mr. Hannity.
  
  This nicely summarizes what's wrong with American political life today. (Source)
  
  by GreenSooner on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:50:40 PM PDT
  
  [ Parent ]
Please stop. (32+ / 0-)

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Please. This is NONE OF OUR GODDAMN BUSINESS.

"People the world over have always been more impressed by the power of our example than by the example of our power." WJC

by BoiseBlue on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:42:02 PM PDT
- Something tells me please isn't going stop this (8+ / 0-)
  
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  crusade.
  
  The press thinks being fair and balanced means if a comment is made about the pleasant smell of roses, not forgetting to talk up the smell of shit.
  
  by Dungeon Dwelling Dragon on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:46:46 PM PDT
  
  [ Parent ]
  - Well something tells me (13+ / 0-)
    
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    That this diarist's days are numbered. And I won't shed a fucking tear over it.
    
    "People the world over have always been more impressed by the power of our example than by the example of our power." WJC
    
    by BoiseBlue on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:48:31 PM PDT
    
    [ Parent ]
    - my hunch is that the same folks from the muslim (2+ / 0-)
      
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      smear are working on this b/c their candidate was snubbed for VP, is the same crap time and time again, regular kossacks would have stopped (and did) at the first dozen HR's
      
      Please folks let somebody else do this dirty job.
      
      "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mahatma Gandhi
      
      by IamTheJudge on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:55:56 PM PDT
      
      [ Parent ]
    - I'm always suspicious (5+ / 0-)
      
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      of usernames with a name followed by numbers (makes it easy to remember all your multiple puppets), but with a UID of 35535, if ArcXIX is a stealth registration they certainly waited for awhile.
      
      However, you can tell they know they have a target on their back if they don't leave a comment in their own diary.
      
      Wingnuts hate Big Media cause it sometimes tells the truth.
      We should hate it for the rest of the time when it don't.
      Oh, also when they eat brains.
      
      by Ugluks Flea on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:15:06 PM PDT
      
      [ Parent ]
      - New user "ApersandPilcrow" posted new youtube (0+ / 0-)
        
        on Bristol theory yesterday. Much the same info as in the first diary. He talks you through the evidence. "I report. You decide." (Yeah, who are you?) Maybe that's him.
        
        http://www.youtube.com/...
        
        by thatvisionthing on Mon Sep 01, 2008 at 12:37:30 AM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
  - Nor should it until it is proven wrong (5+ / 0-)
    
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    then there should be apology and contrition.
    
    Really, how could Sarah Palin a person in the public eye go to term and the people around her not know she was pregnant? Arn't you the least bit curious?
    
    If she is the grandmother claiming to be the mother, then that should be known. What else is she lying about? If you don't think a lie like that from a vice presidential candidate is relevant then I don't she why you would care who is elected.
    
    "The owners of this country know the truth: its called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it." ~ George Carlin
    
    by Gregory Wonderwheel on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:01:35 PM PDT
    
    [ Parent ]
    - You have it all backwards. (6+ / 0-)
      
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      You, the accuser, have to prove that Ms. Palin faked her pregnancy. And all we have at this point is this diarist's conjecture.
      
      Conservatism is Dead!
      
      by Eternal Hope on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:02:33 PM PDT
      
      [ Parent ]
      - Well, more than that, (4+ / 0-)
        
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        We're holding her daughter's photos up to the light, like we're doing a photo spread on "Celebrity Bikini Disasters!" for US magazine.
        
        Even if we could definitively prove this story... would we really learn as much about Palin as we would about ourselves? About how low we're willing to sink into the mire?
        
        Really, people... we're better than this.
        
        Nothing requires a greater effort of thought than arguments to justify the rule of nonthought. -- Milan Kundera
        
        by Dale on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:16:10 PM PDT
        
        [ Parent ]
    - Because (6+ / 0-)
      
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      We are the party that respects the unique and personal decisions that families have to make.
      
      "People the world over have always been more impressed by the power of our example than by the example of our power." WJC
      
      by BoiseBlue on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 05:08:07 PM PDT
      
      [ Parent ]
Why do you hate hope? (8+ / 0-)

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There is no Left Wing. Left is the truth.

by BA BarackUS on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:42:26 PM PDT
Hmmm! (2+ / 0-)

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by Courtneys Mom on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:42:57 PM PDT
Deja Vu? Same diarist as yesterday that was (6+ / 0-)

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deleted.

"Somewhere in Texas a village is missing its idiot."

by Gramarye on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:43:32 PM PDT
- No, it wasn't (5+ / 0-)
  
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  In God we trust. All others must pay cash.
  
  by yet another liberal on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:43:59 PM PDT
  
  [ Parent ]
- Pulled from the rec list; not deleted. (5+ / 0-)
  
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  Diaries rarely are deleted.
  
  Notice: This Comment © ROGNM
  
  by ROGNM on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:44:35 PM PDT
  
  [ Parent ]
  - And it was just unrecc'ed (5+ / 0-)
    
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    At georgia's request.
    
    In God we trust. All others must pay cash.
    
    by yet another liberal on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:46:41 PM PDT
    
    [ Parent ]
Probably going to be banned (6+ / 0-)

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You've already put it out there.

Can't you just let this run its course.?

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by ROGNM on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:43:42 PM PDT
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Who'd have thought McCain's VP choice would Palin comparison to Obama's

2008-08-30T22:38:00.002-05:00

So the news is out... John McCain shocked the political cognoscenti and gave a hot-yet-chaste wet mouth kiss to the Religious Right and the NRA with his dramatic selection of first-term Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his choice to be a heartbeat away from the power to invoke thermonuclear holocaust.

Wow.

Now that's "maverick".

Or you could call it, "whacked".

Seems this former Miss Congeniality hates both abortion AND birth control, so despite having four children already and being in her early forties, when the risk of birth defects markedly increases, she conceived and bore a fifth child, who tragically is affected by Downs Syndrome.

Even though she found out that the child would be so affected in her fourth month of pregnancy, she decided to bring the pregnancy to term, which has earned her the adoration of the anti-abortion-rights crowd. As Governor, how much time does she actually spend with this infant? Sounds like either the state's business or the child is being neglected. Unless, that is, she uses the Socialist (at least according to most right-wingers) practice of "day care".

Now don't get me wrong. I believe that bringing a child to term, no matter what pre-screening tests indicate, is a completely noble and admirable choice. I don't fault her for that, just for her devout belief that nobody should actually HAVE that choice, at least not without grave hazards to one's body and personal freedom.

Aside from her former-beauty-queen good looks, she brings almost nothing to the table for McCain among the non-evangelical voters of the country. All but the most delusional Hillary supporters will see through this as craven and desperate pandering. Do the Repubs think that women are so blind that they cannot make distinctions beyond the chromosomal level? It didn't work for Mondale / Ferraro, and it won't work for McCain / Palin. It's actually oddly reminiscent of 1984. Mondale, sensing he was about to be run over by a Mac truck called Reagan's re-election, made a desperate move by nominating Ferraro in an attempt to rally women (especially women activists) to his cause. The base was excited. The feminists, and progressive men (myself included), got all fired up and worked hard to elect the ticket.

But it was far to little to counter the larger trends. Mondale didn't even carry Massachusetts, which was the only state to reject Nixon in 1972.

The Republican squawk machine is desperately working to counter the shock and dismay of the rank-and-file moderates and intellectuals in the party by portraying her as an "experienced executive" and the like. The religious right and other litmus-test voters are newly energized by this selection of a "true believer", but those aren't the people McCain needs. Grumble or not, they were voting for him anyway. Now they'll donate more money or hold a sign where they wouldn't before but it won't be enough. US Presidential elections are always won on the margins, and Obama and the Democrats made great inroads this past week during their excellently-executed Convention. A poll taken by USA Today after the Palin announcement found that her choice had little impact on the already-decided, but a strong NEGATIVE impact amongst the UNDECIDED.

This is fatal for McCain. Obama may take the country by storm now.

His selection of the well-respected, articulate, and experienced-without-being-ruined Joe Biden along with his speech before 80,000 people in person and 38 million on TV (and millions more eventually via web video) solidified his standing as a leader ready to assume the highest office in the land. McCain's choice of a political neophyte (whatever her accomplishments) that he'd met only once and clearly hadn't vetted all that hard, solidifies, at least in my view, that he's a man of rash decisions and glib convictions, who would pander to the hard core right wing despite his "maverick" reputation, which was gained by OPPOSING the hard core right wing.

For this more than anything else, his defeat in November will be well deserved.

Oklahoma Bombing Rare Footage: Local TV News on the Day of the Crime

2008-07-17T22:51:00.004-05:00

Everyone knows what happened in Oklahoma City that terrible day in April, 1995. Right? It was Timothy McVeigh, the militia-joining fertilizer and diesel fuel truck bombing dude that done it. No?

Sometimes you see something though that makes you go, "Huh?!?".

I mean, if they actually were to have discovered ADDITIONAL bombs planted INSIDE the Murrah building, then that would somehow expand upon the "lone homemade truck bomber" theory, would it not?

With this in mind, I invite viewers to review the following rare footage. It's quite a disturbing eye-opener. Surrealism in politics is never a good idea. Call me a rationalist, but I'm kind of a stickler in that way.

I invite you to view the footage for yourself and see what you think.

Good luck.

Sweet Home Alabama? Not for John McCain's Campaign

2008-07-16T23:52:00.002-05:00

Alabama Attorney General Troy King (R-AL), the (apparently now "former") Chairman of John McCain's Alabama Campaign Team and notably famous for his anti-gay diatribes and vigorous campaigns against sex toys, was allegedly caught by his wife in their bed with a male aide and banished from their home.

Check this out...

McCain Scrubs Troy King from Web Site due to Gay Sex Scandal

Alabama Attorney General Troy King (R-AL), a member of John McCain's Alabama Campaign Team and notably famous for his anti-gay diatribes, was allegedly caught by his wife in their bed with a male aide and banished from their home.

Giving credence to these rumors is the fact that John McCain's campaign almost instantly scrubbed all mentions of Troy King from their web site.

He's expected to resign soon.

Troy King is also involved in the highly suspect prosecution of former Democratic Governor Don Siegelman.

Larry Craig, the Rev. Ted Haggard, and the Lover they Shared

2007-12-04T12:10:00.000-05:00

Idaho Senator Larry Craig, disgraced but unbowed, with the rest of the Republican Senate leadership resigned to his lack of resignation, had this article in the Idaho Statesman to contend with that stated that four men were actually willing to GO ON THE RECORD about their man-on-man sex with the esteemed Senator.

This includes the now-famous gay prostitute and crank connection from Denver who outed the most flamboyant Rev. Ted Haggard as a lying sack of sh*t who snorted meth and screwed guys on the sly whilst purporting to be a paragon of moralist virtue (and President of the National Association of Evangelicals and overnight guest at the White House - that's another story though...)

NationalBanana.com sums it up best though. This should win an award for "Funniest Political Clay-mation of 2007"

Please enjoy.

From Crackle: Senator Craig’s New Music Video

Navisite Completely Botches Alabanza Data Center Move - Thousands of Businesses Damaged or Destroyed by Fiasco

2007-11-06T17:09:00.000-05:00

In a sniveling attempt to diminish the apparent impact of their devastatingly poor execution of the ill-considered Alabanza Data Center move from Baltimore to Andover, MA, Rathin Sinha, Navisite's chief marketing officer, baldly and outrageously LIED about the number of sites affected by this fiasco.

He said, in an article on TheRegister.co.uk

Sinha was unable to estimate exactly how many websites were affected. Alabanza serves about 300 customers who then resell service to smaller website operators. Navisite's best estimate is that 5,000 to 7,000 customers buy service through these resellers, he said.

What a load of bullsh*t. Plain and simple. A clearly intentional lie from the chief marketing officer who must surely have had a hand in the creation and dissemination of this crowing press release, Navisite proudly brags about the 165,000 web sites hosted on Alabanza. Take a look for yourself...

NaviSite Acquires Alabanza and Jupiter Hosting

Andover, MA. August 13, 2007- NaviSite, Inc. (www.navisite.com) (NASDAQ: NAVI), a leading provider of application management, internet infrastructure and hosting solutions for the mid-market, has acquired two privately-held providers of hosting services – Alabanza and Jupiter Hosting – for total cash consideration of approximately $15.5 million.

Baltimore, MD based Alabanza offers a comprehensive suite of dedicated and shared web hosting services, as well as a highly automated proprietary software platform for provisioning and managing high volume hosting solutions. Santa Clara, CA based Jupiter Hosting offers dedicated and complex managed hosting and infrastructure services that include high quality and high bandwidth applications such as IPTV, Video on Demand and Progressive Video Delivery; the company also has a data center located in Santa Clara, CA.

”Alabanza and Jupiter fit neatly into our managed hosting offerings and were acquired at less than four times expected synergistic EBITDA,” said Arthur Becker, Chief Executive Officer of NaviSite. “These transactions add new customers with average revenue per square foot densities of approximately $4,700 per year and create significant opportunities to up-sell and cross-sell our entire suite of managed services.”

The acquisitions were financed predominately through cash on hand.. The acquisitions are expected to be accretive to adjusted EBITDA immediately and fully integrated by NaviSite’s second quarter. The company plans to update fiscal 2008 guidance for these acquisitions in its next quarterly earnings call tentatively scheduled for the end of September, 2007.

About Alabanza

Baltimore, MD based Alabanza’s automated web hosting solutions, backed by its powerful Domain System Manager (DSM®) software, are used by web hosting companies, web developers, systems integrators, Internet service providers, and telecommunication carriers. Alabanza’s proprietary software platform is a business management tool that guides and automates the core tasks required for running a hosting company, including DNS registration, web site provisioning and building, store front creation and customer billing. Nearly 165,000 active web sites in more than 25 countries are powered by Alabanza. For more information, please visit www.alabanza.com.

About Jupiter Hosting

Santa Clara, CA based Jupiter Hosting specializes in managed hosting for companies with high traffic volumes or complex hosting requirements. Working within the OSI seven-layer model, it provides simple dedicated and complex managed web hosting and web infrastructures for over 10,000 Internet properties. Jupiter Hosting has emerged as an industry leader in providing support for high-bandwidth applications such as IPTV, Video-on-Demand, and Progressive Download of Video content over the Internet. Other areas of specialization include IP bandwidth provisioning, server clustering, and application or database installation. For more information, please visit www.jupiterhosting.com.

About NaviSite

NaviSite is a leading provider of applications management and internet infrastructure solutions for the mid-market. More than 1000 customers depend on NaviSite for application development, implementation and management on its web infrastructure platforms in 14 state-of-the art data centers supported by 600 professionals. NaviSite specializes in the mid-market and provides customized and scalable solutions leveraging its broad range of application development capabilities, packaged software implementation expertise, deep portfolio of best in class technologies and a full suite of web-hosting and internet infrastructure options. For more information, please visit www.navisite.com

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This release contains forward-looking statements, which address a variety of subjects including the expected future operating and financial results, including profitability, revenue growth and EBITDA, success and performance of NaviSite’s product and service offerings, and NaviSite’s strategic business plans for growing its customer base and increasing sales. All statements other than statements of historical fact, including without limitation those with respect to NaviSite’s goals, plans and strategies set forth herein, are forward-looking statements. The following important factors and uncertainties, among others, could cause actual results to differ materially from those described in these forward-looking statements: NaviSite’s success, including its ability to improve its gross profit, improve its cash flows, expand its operations and revenue, and reach and sustain profitability, depends on its ability to execute on its business strategy and the continued and increased demand for and market acceptance of its products and services; the possibility that financial forecasts of the Company may not be achieved, including those as to expected EBITDA and revenue, or an inability to realize expected synergies or make expected future investments in NaviSite' businesses or NaviSite may be unable to raise the necessary funds to meet its payment obligations to CIBC World Markets Corp. and other creditors; NaviSite’s management may face strain on managerial and operational resources as they try to oversee the expanded operations; NaviSite may not be able to expand its operations in accordance with its business strategy; NaviSite may experience difficulties integrating technologies, operations and personnel in accordance with its business strategy; NaviSite’s acquisition of companies and businesses may not produce expected cost savings, operational efficiencies or revenue; NaviSite’s products, technologies, and resources may not successfully operate with the technology, resources and/or applications of third parties;; and increased competition and technological changes in the markets in which NaviSite’s competes. For a detailed discussion of cautionary statements that may affect NaviSite’s future results of operations and financial results, please refer to NaviSite’s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including NaviSite’s most recent Annual Report on Form 10-K and its Quarterly Reports on Form 10-Q. Forward-looking statements represent management’s current expectations and are inherently uncertain. We do not undertake any obligation to update forward-looking statements made by us. All logos, company and product names may be trademarks or registered trademarks of their respective owners.

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Republican U.S. Attorney Arrested for Attempted Child Rape

2007-09-19T02:19:00.000-05:00

Yes, that's correct. Quoting from the Wayne Madsen Report...

Assistant U.S. Attorney for Northern Florida, John David Atchison, appointed by George W. Bush in 2002, was arrested in Detroit after flying from Pensacola. Atchison was arrested as part of an Internet child sex sting conducted by Macomb County police. Atchison believed he would be having sex with a 5-year old girl. He wrote a detective posing as the girl's mother that he would bring the youngster "presents," that he would go "slow and easy," and that "I've done it plenty."

Sooo.... lemmie get this straight....

Long time President George Bush Ally and Supporter John David Atchison, who is the Assistant U.S. Attorney in Northern Florida, flew to Michigan after lengthy conversations with what he believed to be the mother of a young child that was at least as sick as he was. This "mother" was planning to let this long-time GOP lickspittle rape (you can't even say "have sex with", five year olds can't consent to sex in any state) her young daughter, an act, if his own statements are to be believed, he had done "many times before".

Now I'm a liberal, and against the death penalty, but this case actually gives me second thoughts on the subject. Not that sending a federal prosecutor to prison for attempted rape of a five year old doesn't amount to a death sentence anyway. "Short Eyes" who are also COPS don't usually have the longest or most pleasant of lifespans once they join the fellows they've sent there before they decided to make it home.

A few links for the disgusted and outraged:

Stop Republican Pedophilia

News Report

AP Article

Google News Topic Search

Freaking disgusting. God help us all.

Totally Fixed and Rigged Magazine

"Unfair Attacks" - A Subject Vice Presidential Candidate Sarah Palin (R-AK) Knows Quite Well

Saved from the Memory Hole - Deleted DailyKos Palin Baby Story

BabyGate: Explosive New Details [Photos+Video]

by ArcXIX

Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 04:39:54 PM PDT

Daily Kos Help

Boy, we're having... (64+ / 0-)

Just when you think we've hit bottom . . . (47+ / 0-)

How can you judge one way or the other (20+ / 0-)

she is also bragging about her decision (37+ / 0-)

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to scorn = to oppose impeachment? (2+ / 0-)

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Sarah? (2+ / 0-)

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Bobby Darin too. (1+ / 0-)

And Eric Clapton. (0+ / 0-)

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Nope. (7+ / 0-)

Those of us who've given birth before (29+ / 0-)

I was already hospitalized due to a high (3+ / 0-)

Well, I can see that. (1+ / 0-)

She had leaking amniotic fluid. That's what she (2+ / 0-)

I'll tell you what: (0+ / 0-)

You're right. That is the scandal. (6+ / 0-)