<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309</id><updated>2009-12-22T01:06:58.462+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Et Clamor Meus Ad Te Veniat</title><subtitle type='html'></subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><link rel='next' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default?start-index=26&amp;max-results=25'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>349</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-7612979682572966012</id><published>2009-12-04T12:52:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2009-12-04T13:35:52.634+10:00</updated><title type='text'>More Comments on the 40th anniversary of the Novus Ordo Mass</title><content type='html'>To continue on the dicussion, we move on further with content.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We posted before on the key changes desired by &lt;em&gt;Sancrosanctum Concilium&lt;/em&gt;, namely:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;a wider range of readings&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;restoration of prayers of the faithful&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;greater importance of the homily&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;simplification of the rites&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;more opportunities to use the vernacular (but emphasising the importance of Latin)&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Potential for concelebration&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Potential for Communion under both kinds.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;All of these aspects have been achieved, although I think that it has failed on the rites being simplified as these have been supplanted by a muktiplicity of prayer  options. To go from one Eucharistic Prayer to 12 in my view is a simplification. Possibly the symbolism of concelebration and Communion under both kinds has been overplayed.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Other aspects that are the bane of many commentators such as removal of Communion rails, Communion standing, extraordinary ministers of Holy Communion, and female Altar servers simply were not contemplated by the Council fathers and came in much later, and spasmodically.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;On reading the General Instruction on the Roman Missal, and comparing it to the Tridentine Missae Rubricae, and the Anglican Book of Commoin Prayer, there is one large difference: the reorientation of the priest from one who leads the church's prayer (as seen in both the documents of the reformers of bother the Protestant and Catholic Reformations) to the idea of the priest "presiding over the community" and acting as some sort of chairman or MC.  &lt;strong&gt;This is  the fundamental flaw in the Novus Ordo Missae.&lt;/strong&gt; It is from this aspect that we have problems with the liturgy serving the priest's ego, and the discussion on proper or improper orientation of Altars, and other aspects whihc have been liturgical problems over the years.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Where did this come from? The origins come from a "restoration" based upon achaeology in the 1960's whihc has since been debunked (ie. Mass "facing the people"), and an attempt to remove the differences between a Pontifical Solemn Mass from the Throne and other types of Mass. This was done by emphasising the idea that the priest is deputising for the bishop and therefore needs his own "throne".&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The best way of course to remove this is to have the priests chair not face the people, and be restored to its more natural place on the Epistle side of the Altar facing North. This is made more effective by having an eastward oriented Altar.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Facing each other in a closed circle to talk to each other is not the essential thing that makes participation by the faithful effective. This simple reorientation is probably more effective than having a crucifix on the Altar or what is beginning to be fashionable in some cirlces of loading the Altar with heaps of candles in the attempt of reorientation.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-7612979682572966012?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/7612979682572966012/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=7612979682572966012&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/7612979682572966012'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/7612979682572966012'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/12/more-comments-on-40th-anniversary-of.html' title='More Comments on the 40th anniversary of the Novus Ordo Mass'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14634101151098752683'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-8809167678297778567</id><published>2009-12-04T12:24:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2009-12-04T12:52:12.088+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Reflections on the 40th anniversary of the "Novus Ordo" Mass</title><content type='html'>On the 40th anniversary of the promulgation of the Novus Ordo Mass there have been a few comments around the blogosphere. fr Z at &lt;a href="http://wdtprs.com/blog/2009/12/podcazts-on-the-40th-anniversary-of-the-novus-ordo/"&gt;WDTPRS&lt;/a&gt; has done a set of 3 podcasts which are well worth listening to.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Aftyer listening to these podcasts there are a number of things which come up in my mind. The first and which is more stark is that Paul VI did not seem to be confident about the reforms. This comes through in the addresses. It seems that he shares the annoyance and sadness of the changes with his audience, but is willing to accept the sacrifice as this was the will of the church as guided by the Holy Spirit through the Second Vatican Council.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The second aspect is the acceptance that the changes appear to be irreversable. This is an experiment to deepen the spiritual life of the church but there is no going back. There seems to be an acceptance that the older forms of the Roman Rite have gone forever (whihc of course they havent). He knows that he is moving into high risk territory here but is confident that the Holy Spirit will work things out.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some of the comments are interesting in the light of 40 years. He suggests in his general audience speech that maybe people lost their appreciation of the Mass, and changes would break them out of their lethargy. In hindsight this was true - people got a new appreciation of aspects of the Mass, but also led to aspects which led to some extreme views on both sides of the debate.  However, the great gift is that without these changes we would never have had the discussion and research into both forms of the Mass now that the 1962 Missal has been liberated by Benedict XVI.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There has been also discussions on the motivations for Bugnini et al with the changes. From what I read was that there were some positions held in the Consilium which were protestant in origin but that the Pope actaully reined in the Consilium so that the end product was at least catholic, and had moved from its earlier draft (which apparently wanted to remove the Kyrie and Gloria and the Orate fratres). Like everything done by a committee whihc then gets signed off by the CEO, there are a lot of changes along the way. This is something that hard-core traditionalists and conspiracy theorists dont get.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So in the light of the last 40 years truly the spirit moves in mysterious ways. People just want it to move in the way that they want - immediately.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-8809167678297778567?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/8809167678297778567/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=8809167678297778567&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8809167678297778567'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8809167678297778567'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/12/reflections-on-40th-anniversary-of.html' title='Reflections on the 40th anniversary of the &quot;Novus Ordo&quot; Mass'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14634101151098752683'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-6504351454077722352</id><published>2009-10-20T21:18:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2009-10-20T21:25:29.055+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Returning to blogging</title><content type='html'>Sorry for the silence but I have felt unable to blog for some time, due to work and general exhaustion. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I found some interesting comments from the &lt;a href="http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/2009/10/in-utroque-usu-deeper-understanding-of.html"&gt;New Liturgical Movement&lt;/a&gt; about celebrating using the Missal of Bl John XXIII for the first time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As a "usus utroque" server I found the following points particularly relevant&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;....it seems that it is both a reminder and an aid which helps to foster, inculcate or re-emphasize a sense of our Roman liturgical culture -- and that is a thing of broad value.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;I asked Fr. Johnson about his own experience of this moment and the training leading up to it; "I believe I'm hooked for life" was his response. Digging a little deeper, he noted the great deal of prayer and preparation which he made for taking this step, burying himself within the liturgical texts and ceremonies. He continued, "what the study of the EF [Extraordinary Form] of the Holy Roman Liturgy accomplished, was to help me develop a deeper understanding of the traditions of the Roman Liturgy, in general, and to understand more clearly where the Ordinary Form received its development."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-6504351454077722352?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/6504351454077722352/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=6504351454077722352&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/6504351454077722352'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/6504351454077722352'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/10/returning-to-blogging.html' title='Returning to blogging'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14634101151098752683'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-5158328510614553855</id><published>2009-07-15T20:55:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2009-07-15T21:11:06.831+10:00</updated><title type='text'>ACSA Conference 2009</title><content type='html'>The Australian Catholic Students Association had their annual conference in Brisbane last weekend. Here is a video of their concluding Mass on Sunday held at St Ignatius Church Toowong, which was a Solemn Pontifical Mass in the Ordinary Form. Its good that the reform-of-the-reform Mass is making its appearance in some places in Brisbane.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/ffpwyf2gNE8&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1&amp;amp;"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ffpwyf2gNE8&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1&amp;amp;" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It was good that the real Altar was used not the &lt;a href="http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2008/10/call-to-holiness-mass.html"&gt;communion table &lt;/a&gt;used for the ACCC conference. When I asked about the communion table being used at the time I was told that the congregation would get upset if it was removed. Things are changing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I managed to make it to the Friday night Mass at Duchesne College chapel at University of Queensland which was a Missa cantata in the Extradordinary Form - and what a beautiful Mass it was. The strong participation by the congregation in the chants and responses showed that the myth that there was no participation in the pre-Vatican II Mass exactly that - a myth. In fact I think that I particiapated in the sacred mysteries more fully than in many ordinary form Masses in English.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-5158328510614553855?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/5158328510614553855/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=5158328510614553855&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/5158328510614553855'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/5158328510614553855'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/07/acsa-conference-2009.html' title='ACSA Conference 2009'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14634101151098752683'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-8871721088390317807</id><published>2009-06-26T22:10:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2009-06-26T22:20:30.628+10:00</updated><title type='text'>St Josemaria</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SkS7l5qVw7I/AAAAAAAAARs/Bby7bG557EI/s1600-h/Josemaria.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5351608517030953906" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 321px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 400px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SkS7l5qVw7I/AAAAAAAAARs/Bby7bG557EI/s400/Josemaria.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;Today is the feast day of St Josemaria. We had a great solemn Mass in Brisbane for his feastday last night.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;A recommendation to those of you who have long working hours like myself, should remember that "this is your sanctification". Im sure that that this is something that St Josemaria would have said in reply to a disciple saying "my boss is so demanding and I need to put in absurd hours". &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-8871721088390317807?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/8871721088390317807/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=8871721088390317807&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8871721088390317807'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8871721088390317807'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/06/st-josemaria.html' title='St Josemaria'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14634101151098752683'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SkS7l5qVw7I/AAAAAAAAARs/Bby7bG557EI/s72-c/Josemaria.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-4130578584209093876</id><published>2009-06-17T23:04:00.006+10:00</published><updated>2009-06-17T23:53:31.306+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Corpus Christi - from Toledo, Spain</title><content type='html'>&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5348283871902494290" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 400px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 300px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/Sjjr2Fay7lI/AAAAAAAAARU/i1YYOMHPYMw/s400/Picture+164.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;When I was in Toledo, the primatial see within Spain, a couple of years ago I visited the Cathedral, which is one of the larger in Europe. Here is the sanctuary, with its large rood screen. Note also the two pulpits, characteristic of Spanish churches: one for the Epistle and one of the Gospel. I assume that the Epistle and Gospel were read facing outwards. I would not say towards the congregation because where the congregation would have stood and knelt would have been outside the choir. The rest of the choir is actually behind those people you see sitting in the foreground. It is a closed off area protected by a similar iron screen. This is where the archbishops throne and the stalls for the Cathedral canons are located. The Archbishops throne directly faces the Sanctuary in line with the High Altar.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;Here is the High Altar with its reredos, over 10 metres high. Similar to other Cathedrals in Spain, the Altar has been moved away from the reredos, and an archbishops throne placed in the middle facing where someone thought that the people should be. This results in the ridiculous situation where there are two thrones in the Choir facing each other. Hopefully this can be corrected someday. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5348286492675263250" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 400px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 300px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SjjuOojtyxI/AAAAAAAAARc/yoIurxDsa-0/s400/Picture+160.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;The Monstrance that we saw in the Cathedral Sacristry, was over 3 metres high and is either lifted by a team of 8 to 10 men or wheeled around on a trolley. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5348293083316754930" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 300px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 400px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/Sjj0OQnGGfI/AAAAAAAAARk/DwbmV3xfIrA/s400/Picture+166.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Anyway I was please to discover a couple of You-tubes of last week's procession, which brings the feel of the bulilding all to life. With the applause (which has a different meaning to the English speaking world), the rose petals from the roof, the bells, and the general exuburance - how different to our boring minimalist approach in Australia where Corpus Christi is basically ignored, at least in my part of the country. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div align="center"&gt;VIVA EL CHRISTO REY!!!!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Here the monstrance is borne into the Cathedral. It looks as if they came through the South transept door, whihc is actually the main entrance off the street.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/SPYTqFHL7nw&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1&amp;amp;"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/SPYTqFHL7nw&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1&amp;amp;" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;And the monstrance being carried into the sanctuary.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/27YFLqzMWFM&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1&amp;amp;"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/27YFLqzMWFM&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1&amp;amp;" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-4130578584209093876?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/4130578584209093876/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=4130578584209093876&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/4130578584209093876'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/4130578584209093876'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/06/corpus-christi-from-toledo-spain.html' title='Corpus Christi - from Toledo, Spain'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14634101151098752683'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/Sjjr2Fay7lI/AAAAAAAAARU/i1YYOMHPYMw/s72-c/Picture+164.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-8030499299735978771</id><published>2009-06-16T20:51:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2009-06-16T21:58:57.987+10:00</updated><title type='text'>The Ordines Romani</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SjeIi5VsUWI/AAAAAAAAARM/jyDXq0K16rc/s1600-h/4thCPolaCasket.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5347893215614488930" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 400px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 330px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SjeIi5VsUWI/AAAAAAAAARM/jyDXq0K16rc/s400/4thCPolaCasket.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;Often we hear arguments about what was the authentic form of the Mass taken from hsistory and tradition. Is it the Extraordinary Form (the Roman Rite according to the books used at the Second Vatican Council) as celebrated in some areas, or the Ordinary Form developed following the Council (sometimes called the &lt;em&gt;Novus Ordo&lt;/em&gt;?).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Like everything its about going back to the sources. Most "liturgists" hang onto St Justin Martyr's account of Mass being celebrated in the second century AD. However, we know that the Mass in both the Eastern and Western parts of the Roman Empire went through a considerable state of flux subsequent to this. Justins account is very brief so it does not give very much of a flavour of what went on.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;This is why a series of documents called the &lt;em&gt;Ordines Romani&lt;/em&gt; become important because they not only outline what was said in liturgies but also what people did in the liturgy. The Ordines Romani were a series of documents with the first ordo (Ordo I) believed to have been written before the end of the seventh century AD, and final set written by the 15th century. We will focus on Ordo I with some reference to a 9th century AD ordo - Ordo III. The purpose of these ordo's seem to be as a guide to what was done in at a Solemn Pontifical Mass in Rome for people who wanted to learn liturgy but could not travel there. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;What I intend to do in the next few weeks (God willing) is briefly go through the various elements of the Ordo Romanus, because I do not think that a comparison with both of the modern forms (1962 and 1970 missals) have been done. What it shows clearly, is that the Ordo of the original Roman Rite contains elements of both and truly is the father of both. Conversely neither can lay claim to be doing "what the early Christians did", which often is an obsession of liturgists these days. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The other thing with the Ordo is that it shows up the reason for some obscure practices in our modern liturgies, so this little study should inform the tradition. Some pics from visits of actual churches and basilicas where these ceremonies were enacted give a bit of the flavour.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-8030499299735978771?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/8030499299735978771/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=8030499299735978771&amp;isPopup=true' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8030499299735978771'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8030499299735978771'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/06/ordines-romani.html' title='The Ordines Romani'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14634101151098752683'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SjeIi5VsUWI/AAAAAAAAARM/jyDXq0K16rc/s72-c/4thCPolaCasket.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-935923919562951727</id><published>2009-06-07T22:34:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2009-06-07T23:30:40.991+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Who were the Deaconesses?</title><content type='html'>With the discussion last week as to deaconesses and the question of legitimacy, I though that I would take the opportunity to explore deaconesses in the early church.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My source is the &lt;a href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04651a.htm"&gt;Catholic Encyclopedia&lt;/a&gt;, although I have taken out some of the bias that the 1907 writers put into the discussion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It was an ordained ministry.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;From the 4th century Apostolic Constitutions (a document whihc is Roman but seeme to have some eastern elements in it:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;Concerning a deaconess, I, Bartholomew enjoin O Bishop, thou shalt lay thy hands upon her with all the Presbytery and the &lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;Deacons&lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt; and the Deaconesses and thou shalt say: Eternal God, the Father of Our Lord Jesus Christ, the creator of man and woman, that didst fill with the Spirit Mary and Deborah, and Anna and Huldah, that didst not disdain that thine only begotten Son should be born of a woman; Thou that in the tabernacle of witness and in the temple didst appoint women guardians of thy holy gates: Do thou now look on this thy handmaid, who is appointed unto the office of a Deaconess and grant unto her the Holy Spirit, and cleanse her from all pollution of the flesh and of the spirit, that she may worthily accomplish the work committed unto her, to thy glory and the praise of thy Christ.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Catholic Encyclopedia discusses the fact that bishops in the early church did argue themselves as to whether this was an ordained ministry or not, and refers to some obscure councils the opinion that it was not an ordained ministry. The EC's arguments are not all that strong.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;What did they do?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The primary purpose of the Deaconesses was in the era of segregation of worship, with a separate mens and womens section in the church. Therefore their roles were:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;the instruction and baptism of catechumens&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;guarding the doors and maintaining order amongst those of their own sex in the church, &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;acting as intermediaries between the clergy and the women of the congregation.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;p&gt;They may have also functioned as Ministers of Holy Communion to the womens section of the church but I have not found any evidence for this.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;However, the Apostolic Constitutions make it clear that "the deaconess gives no blessing, she fulfills no function of priest or deacon", So in Rome at least, their role was very different from the Deacon. For instance they did not minister at the Altar assisting the priest like a Deacon nor did they read the Gospel, sing the &lt;em&gt;Ite Missa Est,&lt;/em&gt; or preach a homily.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;However, we do hear that in the churches of Syria and Asia, of them presiding over assemblies of women, reading the Epistle and Gospel, distributing the Blessed Eucharist to nuns, lighting the candles, burning incense in the thuribles, adorning the sanctuary, and anointing the sick. This seemed to be regarded as an abuse which ecclesiastical legislation soon repressed.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;If they did not function as a deacon did they have any role in the Liturgy?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Its difficult to determine where they had a place in the liturgy. A document called "Testament of Our Lord" (c. 400), &lt;strong&gt;widows&lt;/strong&gt; had a place in the sanctuary during the celebration of the liturgy, they stood at the anaphora behind the presbyters, they communicated after the deacons, and before the readers and subdeacons, and they had a charge of, or superintendence over the deaconesses.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It is recorded that in the time of Justinian (d. 565) at the Basilica of St. Sophia in Constantinople the staff consisted of &lt;strong&gt;sixty priests&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;strong&gt;one hundred deacons&lt;/strong&gt;, &lt;strong&gt;forty deaconesses&lt;/strong&gt;, and &lt;strong&gt;ninety subdeacons&lt;/strong&gt;. However, I cannot see any reference to them in any of the Roman legislation from the same period. One exception is the the ninth Ordo Romanus mentions,  &lt;em&gt;feminae diaconissae et presbyterissae quae eodem die benedicantur&lt;/em&gt;. Diaconissae are also mentioned in the procession of Leo III in the ninth century &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;When did they die out?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The ministry seemed to have died out when just about everyone was Christian and adult baptism had practically died out. Balsamon, Patriarch of Antioch about A.D. 1070 states that deaconesses in any proper sense had ceased to exist in the Church though the title was borne by certain nuns while Matthew Blastares (c 14th cent) said that by the the tenth century that the civil legislation (presumably that of the eastern Roman Empire) concerning deaconesses, which ranked them rather among the clergy than the laity had then been abandoned or forgotten. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The only surviving relic of the ordination of deaconesses in the West (and this may have disappeared after Vatican II) was the conferring of a stole and maniple to Carthusian nuns in the ceremony of their profession. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Could they be revived?&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;The short answer is probably not as the need for the role has disappeared (men and women worship together and there is no modesty issues around baptism) and laity (whether men or women) can provide leadership in these areas. It needs to be kept in mind that the role was never an Altar ministry. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;All this been said, it gives an interesting overview to the fact that the Church saw it as an ordained ministry, and that ordination to specific non priestly roles could be opened to everyone.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-935923919562951727?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/935923919562951727/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=935923919562951727&amp;isPopup=true' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/935923919562951727'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/935923919562951727'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/06/who-were-deaconesses.html' title='Who were the Deaconesses?'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14634101151098752683'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-229903218360484012</id><published>2009-05-31T16:00:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2009-05-31T17:44:18.175+10:00</updated><title type='text'>St Marys abuses spreading?</title><content type='html'>Australia's capital cities have been celebrating joint Anglican and Roman Catholic initiatives at different times and in the main this is good to see. Different Anglican and Catholic churches have hosted clergy from the other church and the practice (as was done most recently at the &lt;a href="http://vimeo.com/4774929"&gt;installation of Archbishop Nichols &lt;/a&gt;at Westminster), is to have the clergy of the guest church in choir and having all the rights of clergy in choir (including being incensed separately to the celebrant(s).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, today, in a Catholic Cathedral a Mass was celebrated in which an Anglican Deaconess processed with the Gospel book and proclaimed the Gospel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the Mass the Gospel is always proclaimed by an ordained Minister and the role of this is the Deacon and if a deacon is not available, the Celebrant (GIRM (Australian version) n59)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Whoever authorised this obviously does not understand that the Bull &lt;a href="http://www.newadvent.org/library/docs_le13ac.htm"&gt;Apostolicae Curae &lt;/a&gt;promulgated by Pope Leo XIII on 15 September 1896 still applies, and that declares:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;We pronounce and declare that ordinations carried out according to the Anglican rite have been, and are, absolutely null and utterly void.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In addition, these women are not even recognised universally in their own church (eg Anglican Archdiocese of Sydney).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Respondum in relation to the declaration &lt;a href="http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000806_dominus-iesus_en.html"&gt;Dominus Jesus &lt;/a&gt; of the Solemnity of Sts Peter and Paul 2007 states:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;Why do the texts of the Council and those of the Magisterium since the Council not use the title of “Church” with regard to those Christian Communities born out of the Reformation of the sixteenth century?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;According to Catholic doctrine, these Communities do not enjoy apostolic succession in the sacrament of Orders, and are, therefore, deprived of a constitutive element of the Church. These ecclesial Communities which, specifically because of the absence of the sacramental priesthood, have not preserved the genuine and integral substance of the Eucharistic Mystery &lt;/em&gt;&lt;em&gt;cannot, according to Catholic doctrine, be called “Churches” in the proper sense.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; What we had here is an abuse of the St Marys South Brisbane kind in which what is essentially a layperson proclaiming the gospel, and this done within a major city Cathedral in which people in charge are supposed to know better. It gives people the impression that we are in communion when we are not. I am sure that some members of the congregation were scandalised by it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This was foisted upon the congregation without any warning, probably because of &lt;a href="http://coo-eesfromthecloister.blogspot.com/2009/03/catholic-church-pulls-plug.html"&gt;other attempts at misguided ecumenism&lt;/a&gt;, which were stopped before they occurred.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This could have been so easily avoided by having the Anglican ministers proclaim the other readings, or leading prayers of the faithful. This was crossing the line into doctrinal error.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But on a lighter note, before the Cooees boys steal my thunder, this video emphasises my sentiments:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/ydXtCpYimN8&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ydXtCpYimN8&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-229903218360484012?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/229903218360484012/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=229903218360484012&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/229903218360484012'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/229903218360484012'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/05/st-marys-abuses-spreading.html' title='St Marys abuses spreading?'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14634101151098752683'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-348566542900311138</id><published>2009-05-27T16:52:00.007+10:00</published><updated>2009-05-27T20:23:55.144+10:00</updated><title type='text'>For all the Latinists out there....</title><content type='html'>.....and I'm sure that there are quite a few of you who read this blog, Sydney's &lt;span id="SPELLING_ERROR_0" class="blsp-spelling-error"&gt;Campion&lt;/span&gt; College is conducting a week-long intensive course on Ecclesiastical/Medieval Latin. It is not &lt;span id="SPELLING_ERROR_1" class="blsp-spelling-corrected"&gt;targeted&lt;/span&gt; to a specific learning group; you can be a novice or expert &lt;em&gt;in &lt;span id="SPELLING_ERROR_2" class="blsp-spelling-error"&gt;lingua&lt;/span&gt; Latina &lt;/em&gt;and attend. Texts for translation over the five days will include passages from scripture, the Church Fathers Ante-Nicene and Post-Nicene (including my old friends &lt;span id="SPELLING_ERROR_3" class="blsp-spelling-error"&gt;Minucius&lt;/span&gt; Felix and Augustine), hymns and medieval texts such as the &lt;em&gt;&lt;span id="SPELLING_ERROR_4" class="blsp-spelling-error"&gt;Legenda&lt;/span&gt; Aurea.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The course runs between 13th-17th of July. Though I will probably not be able to attend myself (very disappointing), I would highly recommend that if you are able, you should! You can find out more information and an application form at &lt;a href="http://www.campion.edu.au/"&gt;Campion College's website&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-348566542900311138?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/348566542900311138/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=348566542900311138&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/348566542900311138'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/348566542900311138'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/05/for-all-latinists-out-there.html' title='For all the Latinists out there....'/><author><name>Hypatia</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16369652847264767290</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='17013178394864085479'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-7946028994395963653</id><published>2009-05-14T21:03:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2009-05-14T21:09:52.444+10:00</updated><title type='text'>The Pantheon</title><content type='html'>One of the greatest buildings in the world that I have visited is the Pantheon in Rome. Today it is its 1400th birthday as a Christian church although it dates from the 2nd century AD and parts of the building to the reign of the Emperor Augustus.  Im not sure how many times a week they celebrate Mass there but it seems to be on a regular basis.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The great thing about this video is that you get to see parts of the building that you dont get to see as a tourist. Notice all the original Roman brickwork.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/NB_wkoyK7Us&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/NB_wkoyK7Us&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-7946028994395963653?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/7946028994395963653/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=7946028994395963653&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/7946028994395963653'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/7946028994395963653'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/05/pantheon.html' title='The Pantheon'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14634101151098752683'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-2951938832134025084</id><published>2009-04-26T19:42:00.009+10:00</published><updated>2009-04-26T20:21:34.056+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Catholicism in the Land of the Rising Sun</title><content type='html'>Apologies for no posts....I mentioned the loss of my internet, and had only had it back for about a day before I was scheduled to leave on an overseas trip. My trip was to Japan, and I'm going to post a little about it here.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Christianity is a minority faith in Japan- Roman Catholicism in particular only makes up 0.5% of the population, according to statistics from Catholic-Hierarchy.org (among this small minority is Japan's current PM, Taro Aso). The majority of Japanese practice Buddhism (specifically Mahayana or 'Greater Vehicle' Buddhism) and the animist Shinto faith. If you stay in a Japanese hotel, not only will you find a copy of the Gideons New Testament (with side-by-side Japanese and English translation) in your bedside table drawer, but also a copy of the Teachings of Buddha next to it. The Buddha of Compassion (Kanzeon in Japanese) is often closely identified with Mary. Though I did see traditional statuary of Mary (St. Mary's Cathedral in Tokyo has a copy of Michaelangelo's Pieta), she is also depicted as a Japanese woman with long flowing hair and wearing traditional kimono.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5328938639975641922" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 320px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 240px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RwvlKabDRS8/SfQxdYmZ80I/AAAAAAAAAAM/0VTtgULI-9w/s320/IMG_0027.jpg" border="0" /&gt; It was Francis Xavier who brought the Gospel to the Japanese in the late 16th century, and the churches I visited all featured some statue or image in his likeness. The bust in the photo below is displayed in St. Mary's Cathedral- it once belonged to the Medici family and was donated to St. Mary's by Cardinal Josef Frings, the former Archbishop of Cologne. Catholic Christians in Japan have encountered some hostility; the story of the twenty-six missionaries and converts being crucified during the Edo period is well-documented, and Christianity was banned until the 19th century Meiji Restoration, which allowed for freedom of religion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5328938933439103698" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 320px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 240px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RwvlKabDRS8/SfQxud1jAtI/AAAAAAAAAAU/FQ3ZWqryW4g/s320/IMG_0309.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5328940000982530450" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 320px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 240px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RwvlKabDRS8/SfQysmvu-ZI/AAAAAAAAAAc/z6QZo55qVHs/s320/IMG_0160.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5328939999765753474" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 320px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 240px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RwvlKabDRS8/SfQysiNoboI/AAAAAAAAAAk/Ca1FOK5e1Ko/s320/IMG_0161.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The church here is a parish in Ashiya, a suburb outside of Osaka and was built in the 1930s. It is looked after at present by three priests- two Japanese and a Frenchman (there was an Italian there during my stay, but he was due to leave for another parish within a few weeks). My friend and her mother, who I attended mass with there, related that Japan also suffers from a shortage of clergy, which may explain the presence of the expat priests. A few parishes in Tokyo offer masses in English, but most services will be in Japanese and in some cases Tagalog and Spanish.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;During World War II, some churches were destroyed when the Americans bombed the country; the most notable example being Nagasaki's Urakami Cathedral, which was destroyed when the second atomic bomb hit a short distance from the building. As a consequence, some churches rebuilt after the war were constructed with a modern appearance. The pictures below are of St. Mary's Cathedral, which was one such parish that was bombed during the war. I attended Palm Sunday mass there, and while I felt initially staggered by the size of the place, I found the interior to my liking. It appears quite cave-like in the photos below, but the simplicity of it is quite pleasing to the eye in person. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5328940629624372082" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 320px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 240px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RwvlKabDRS8/SfQzRMnoO3I/AAAAAAAAAAs/v7gAu-cjQfQ/s320/IMG_0303.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5328940633597752354" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 320px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 240px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RwvlKabDRS8/SfQzRba9NCI/AAAAAAAAABE/a0zEZWTlajo/s320/IMG_0318.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5328940633544594050" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 320px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 240px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_RwvlKabDRS8/SfQzRbOSEoI/AAAAAAAAAA8/WXyk5PfXwR0/s320/IMG_0317.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5328940629697398162" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 320px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 240px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RwvlKabDRS8/SfQzRM5ChZI/AAAAAAAAAA0/m9Wrp5kJJbs/s320/IMG_0305.jpg" border="0" /&gt;Kawaramachi Church is the seat of the Bishop of Kyoto. I was surprised to find it a short distance away from my hotel. The layout of the church bears some similarity to that of the Stuartholme School chapel in Brisbane with its large triangular stained glass window behind the altar. This church too was fairly simple in layout, with only the right wall decorated with stained glass windows. The third photos shows a section of this wall depicting the Stations of the Cross.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5328941720501763586" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 240px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 320px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RwvlKabDRS8/SfQ0QsdEPgI/AAAAAAAAABM/QNdbn5qcm_M/s320/IMG_0206.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5328941718892167906" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 240px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 320px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_RwvlKabDRS8/SfQ0QmdTwuI/AAAAAAAAABU/Ma7imfId8Ks/s320/IMG_0207.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5328941721089773570" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 320px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 239px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RwvlKabDRS8/SfQ0QupQkAI/AAAAAAAAABc/c2pl6xYCItM/s320/IMG_0209.jpg" border="0" /&gt;I have taken no photos of the services I went to (something I wouldn't feel comfortable doing, since they're not my parishes and I don't know the parishioners), but will comment on what might be considered a particular quirk to Japanese worship. Standing during the entire Liturgy of the Eucharist is practiced by most, with kneeling for prayer after communion. The parish in Ashiya also employs a system where a plateful of unconsecrated hosts is placed at the church entrance alongside the ciborium, and before you take your seat you take a host from the plate and place it in the ciborium with tongs. This is done to ensure exact numbers for communion. Altar serving practices are not too different from ours here; most of the servers I saw were young children around the ages of 8-10 (with an adult supervisor), and were very disciplined and committed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If readers would still like to learn more about the Japanese Catholic experience, I can highly recommend the works of the author Endo Shusoku, in particular 'Silence' and 'Scandal'.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-2951938832134025084?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/2951938832134025084/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=2951938832134025084&amp;isPopup=true' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/2951938832134025084'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/2951938832134025084'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/04/catholicism-in-land-of-rising-sun.html' title='Catholicism in the Land of the Rising Sun'/><author><name>Hypatia</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16369652847264767290</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='17013178394864085479'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RwvlKabDRS8/SfQxdYmZ80I/AAAAAAAAAAM/0VTtgULI-9w/s72-c/IMG_0027.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-2687986231515457191</id><published>2009-04-25T15:02:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2009-04-25T15:31:01.529+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Only in America!!</title><content type='html'>A biretta tip o{] :-) goes to Hypatia for discovering the commercial that the Archdiocese of New York is using to get people to come to confession.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am amazed the the Cooees people did not pick this one up.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But as they say - only in America!!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="480" height="295"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Dpqi56EWnQ8&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Dpqi56EWnQ8&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="295"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-2687986231515457191?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/2687986231515457191/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=2687986231515457191&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/2687986231515457191'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/2687986231515457191'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/04/only-in-america.html' title='Only in America!!'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14634101151098752683'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-4459022486079560384</id><published>2009-04-23T22:01:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2009-04-23T22:03:50.833+10:00</updated><title type='text'>You can never have too many candles</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SfBZFMDZsVI/AAAAAAAAARE/8Ar8IdIbEX4/s1600-h/misasoledadalcala1.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5327856304849006930" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 300px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 400px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SfBZFMDZsVI/AAAAAAAAARE/8Ar8IdIbEX4/s400/misasoledadalcala1.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;Here is a pic from a recent mass celebrated in Sevilla in Spain. Very ornate and very Spanish of course.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-4459022486079560384?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/4459022486079560384/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=4459022486079560384&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/4459022486079560384'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/4459022486079560384'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/04/you-can-never-have-too-many-candles.html' title='You can never have too many candles'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14634101151098752683'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SfBZFMDZsVI/AAAAAAAAARE/8Ar8IdIbEX4/s72-c/misasoledadalcala1.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-6038148301988057448</id><published>2009-04-13T10:49:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2009-04-13T10:51:59.394+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Happy Easter Everyone</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SeKMRl8nsOI/AAAAAAAAAQ8/zi9fu-j4_8A/s1600-h/Christ+is+risen.bmp"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5323971943377383650" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 333px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 400px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SeKMRl8nsOI/AAAAAAAAAQ8/zi9fu-j4_8A/s400/Christ+is+risen.bmp" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;A happy Easter to all our visitors.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Other commitments and holidays have not permitted us to blog very often through Lent. We are hoping to get more political and liturgical commentary up soon.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-6038148301988057448?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/6038148301988057448/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=6038148301988057448&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/6038148301988057448'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/6038148301988057448'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/04/happy-easter-everyone.html' title='Happy Easter Everyone'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14634101151098752683'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SeKMRl8nsOI/AAAAAAAAAQ8/zi9fu-j4_8A/s72-c/Christ+is+risen.bmp' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-4343840327318056135</id><published>2009-04-04T10:35:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2009-04-04T11:11:27.465+10:00</updated><title type='text'>The vernacular in the Usus Antiquor</title><content type='html'>There is an interesting quiz posted on the &lt;a href="http://www.newliturgicalmovement.org/"&gt;New Liturgical Movement&lt;/a&gt; website about what language the readings should be in if using the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Roman and I were in agreement on one aspect - use one language or another for the readings, not both.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Unfortunately, you cannot see my result on the quiz. But this is of the essence of it. I believe that in a Low Mass the readings should be in the vernacular. In a High Mass they need to be sung in Latin. I hadnt really thought about a Missa Canata, so one may use either/or but preferably in Latin. Where the readings are in Latin the congregation needs to have Mass sheets to follow.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of the things that I found very awkward is the priest then re-reading the readings from the pulpit. Given that the purpose of the Homily is to break open the Word of God, there does not need to be a re-reading but the Homily needs to be centred upon the readings.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Its interesting that with Henry VIII's reforms of the Sarum Usage after his break with Rome, the Mass was maintained in Latin, but the readings and the recitation of the Our Father (with the people) were to be in the vernacular. This was as "protestant" as Henry wanted to go liturgically. Later on Elizabeth I insisted that the Anglican services in the Chapel Royal be in Latin, although apart from Oxford, they were in English in the rest of the country*.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for my limited personal experience:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;St Lukes Brisbane&lt;br /&gt;Readings are always in Latin and then read from the lecturn in the vernacular.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;St Aloysius Melbourne&lt;br /&gt;Readings in Latin only. I think Missals and mass sheets are made available&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;San Gregorio in Muritorio Rome&lt;br /&gt;Readings in Latin only. Hand-outs in Italian (I found the Latin easier to follow)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;San Pietro Rome (Solemn Novus Ordo Mass)&lt;br /&gt;First and second readings in vernacular (one in Italian), Gospel in Latin. Nice glossy booklets for the ordinary, but no hand outs for the readings.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;***********************&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;*Elizabeth wanted to unify the country under one "Book of Common Prayer". 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It made my morning and might make yours as well.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://www.catholicculture.org/commentary/otr.cfm?id=4957&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-3608770750692309864?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/3608770750692309864/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=3608770750692309864&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/3608770750692309864'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/3608770750692309864'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/03/lampooning-liberals.html' title='Lampooning Liberals'/><author><name>Summa Theologiae</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/02949182179505070796</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='05631561219523967185'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-83968885632211324</id><published>2009-03-14T22:50:00.004+10:00</published><updated>2009-03-14T23:11:47.735+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Rossini and Pius IX</title><content type='html'>&lt;div&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SbuqGV9FF8I/AAAAAAAAAQs/SG3zZ_9J-54/s1600-h/Rossini_7.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5313027211362899906" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 295px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 400px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SbuqGV9FF8I/AAAAAAAAAQs/SG3zZ_9J-54/s400/Rossini_7.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;One of my fav composers is Gioachino Rossini (1792-1868) as seen above. Its amazing apart from Vivaldi how much of his music is now "hold Music". I stumbled upon a cantata he wrote in praise of Pope Pius IX as you can see below.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5313027346400596738" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 275px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 400px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SbuqONAk0wI/AAAAAAAAAQ0/niKps0d54jM/s400/412px-Pius_ix.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/bcmzjcZ-raE&amp;amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/bcmzjcZ-raE&amp;amp;color1=0xb1b1b1&amp;amp;color2=0xcfcfcf&amp;amp;hl=en&amp;amp;feature=player_embedded&amp;amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;I found this really interesting because I always thought that Rossini was what we would call now a "liberal" whilst Pius was ultra-conservative. His primary works that he is remembered for was Vatican I which defined Papal Infallability and his "Syllabus of Errors" where he condemned just about everything that was going on in modern Europe at the time. In fact British commentators at the time said that the Italians called him "Pio nono" because everything was a "NO-NO".&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Putting that all aside, I'm more interested in Pius' personal habits. For instance he was the last pope that we know of who was a chain smoker, and an Italian perfume maker recently reconstructed his personal deoderant. (The Papacy is so interesting!!).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Anyway I hope our readership enjoys the cantata, with visuals from the Pius IX museum and very mid-19th century type of music, with lots of ornamentation.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-83968885632211324?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/83968885632211324/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=83968885632211324&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/83968885632211324'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/83968885632211324'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/03/rossini-and-pius-ix.html' title='Rossini and Pius IX'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14634101151098752683'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SbuqGV9FF8I/AAAAAAAAAQs/SG3zZ_9J-54/s72-c/Rossini_7.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-3591832957743275324</id><published>2009-03-08T22:29:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2009-03-08T22:38:56.914+10:00</updated><title type='text'>San Trinita in Rome</title><content type='html'>There is a good &lt;a href="http://www.h2onews.org/_page_videoview.php?id_news=1616&amp;amp;lang=en"&gt;television report&lt;/a&gt; on San Trinita dei Pellegrini, the FSSP parish in Rome. I went to Sunday Mass at their former location at San Gregorio de Muratorio a few months before they made the move to San Trinita.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Happily (and the reason for the note) is that they have strong Australian links, with Fr Joseph Kramer from Melbourne being the parish priest and Australian priests and seminarians (and a certain Cardinal) helping out from time to time.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-3591832957743275324?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/3591832957743275324/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=3591832957743275324&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/3591832957743275324'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/3591832957743275324'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/03/san-trinita-in-rome.html' title='San Trinita in Rome'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14634101151098752683'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-8268037001332157184</id><published>2009-03-07T23:51:00.006+10:00</published><updated>2009-03-08T00:36:21.123+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Santa Maria in Domnica</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SbKDQXJXfaI/AAAAAAAAAQk/xU9elPpleKU/s1600-h/800px-Celio_-_santa_Maria_in_Domnica_1831.jpg"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5310451227737685410" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 400px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 300px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SbKDQXJXfaI/AAAAAAAAAQk/xU9elPpleKU/s400/800px-Celio_-_santa_Maria_in_Domnica_1831.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;For those of you who follow the round of Stational Churches during Lent you will notice that the stational church for the Second Sunday of Lent is the Stational Church of Santa Maria in Domnica.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5310450809041664610" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 400px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 258px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SbKC3_YdOmI/AAAAAAAAAQc/_J9v3eKRFXU/s400/800px-S_m_domenica_1.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="center"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;(Photo:Nina Aldin Thune)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;I visited this charming little church on an Autumn morning in Rome, after walking up the Clivus Scauri, past where Pope Gregory the Great lived. The term "Dominca" it is suggested comes from the term &lt;em&gt;dominica sotto praedia &lt;/em&gt;namely, that the church was sited in an area of Imperial dependence. Archaeologists have found that this church, founded upon an earlier one, was connected to a diaconal hall. These halls were set up after the collapse of the Roman Empire after the church took over the distribution of the corn "dole". This task was managed by the deacons.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;At the end of the papal struggle against the Iconoclasts, Pope Pascal II (pontificate 817-824AD)built this church, which features for the first time Our Lady holding the child Jesus as a central icon in the apse.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="center"&gt;&lt;img id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5310447769018504562" style="DISPLAY: block; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 400px; CURSOR: hand; HEIGHT: 300px; TEXT-ALIGN: center" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SbKAHCadFXI/AAAAAAAAAQM/jEhqQdEcnks/s400/Picture+330.jpg" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;You can see Pope Pascal II, as the small figure (about the same size as Jesus) kneeling at the foot of Mary touching her foot in homage. Note the square halo around the Pope, indicating that the mosaic was undertaken in his lifetime.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For those of you with an interest in how churches are oriented. This one is oriented in the same way as St John Lateran and St Peters, with the apse at the western end and the doors at the East. The celebrant would therefore celebrate facing the congregation. Presumably the Altar originally had a ciborium, but it looks about 18th century to me. Cardinal de Medici (later Pope Leo X) arranged a major makeover in the early 1500s (Medici lions all over the place on the outside) and the sanctuary had a makeover in the 1950s.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;This church is the titular church of &lt;a href="http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/02/farewell-to-roman.html"&gt;H.E. Cardinal William Levada&lt;/a&gt;, Prefect of the Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith. I hope that he gets a chance often to celebrate Mass here.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="center"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-8268037001332157184?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/8268037001332157184/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=8268037001332157184&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8268037001332157184'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/8268037001332157184'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/03/santa-maria-in-domnica.html' title='Santa Maria in Domnica'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14634101151098752683'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_PPQ2jfzvJq0/SbKDQXJXfaI/AAAAAAAAAQk/xU9elPpleKU/s72-c/800px-Celio_-_santa_Maria_in_Domnica_1831.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-2641716818650583540</id><published>2009-03-07T23:38:00.001+10:00</published><updated>2009-03-07T23:41:09.552+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Pontifical Vespers with Bp Elliott</title><content type='html'>Subsequent to Bishop Elliott's talk we processed to St Aloysius Church for Pontifical Vespers at the Faldstool. You can see pictures of that event &lt;a href="http://latinmassmelbourne.org/images/pontvespjan08/index.htm"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-2641716818650583540?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/2641716818650583540/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=2641716818650583540&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/2641716818650583540'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/2641716818650583540'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/03/pontifical-vespers-with-bp-elliott.html' title='Pontifical Vespers with Bp Elliott'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14634101151098752683'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-5885205881757630472</id><published>2009-03-07T23:04:00.007+10:00</published><updated>2009-03-07T23:49:05.631+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Bp Peter Elliott Address</title><content type='html'>In January 2008, Bishop Peter Elliott gave a lecture at the Guild of St Lawrence conference. I have now worked out how to post this up on this blog so that you can all enjoy and be informed. Not that it takes me this long but it was originally to be hosted on another site.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Fr Glen Tattersall of the Extraordinary Form Mass community hosted the conference and he introduces His Lordship.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.box.net/static/flash/box_explorer.swf?widget_hash=ua0vbh3qp2&amp;v=0&amp;cl=0" width="460" height="345" wmode="transparent" type="application/x-shockwave-flash"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-5885205881757630472?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/5885205881757630472/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=5885205881757630472&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/5885205881757630472'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/5885205881757630472'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/03/bp-peter-elliott-address-second-attempt.html' title='Bp Peter Elliott Address'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14634101151098752683'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-5101425690840506286</id><published>2009-03-03T13:07:00.002+10:00</published><updated>2009-03-03T13:31:44.595+10:00</updated><title type='text'>An apology for the lack of apologia...</title><content type='html'>Lest anyone was concerned about why I haven't posted on Justin Martyr yet, I'm currently without a phoneline or internet at home due to a snapped telegraph line. I promise the post as soon as I get access again, and in the meantime will be sending prayers to our patron saint of telecommunications, the Archangel Gabriel, that Telstra will come and fix things up soon!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-5101425690840506286?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/5101425690840506286/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=5101425690840506286&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/5101425690840506286'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/5101425690840506286'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/03/apology-for-lack-of-apologia.html' title='An apology for the lack of apologia...'/><author><name>Hypatia</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/16369652847264767290</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='17013178394864085479'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-49998799116787330</id><published>2009-03-02T20:41:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2009-03-02T20:55:07.235+10:00</updated><title type='text'>On Holy Communion</title><content type='html'>Here is a liturgical question that has been perplexing me:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;N 162 of the Australian edition of the General Instruction on the Roman Missal states:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;162. The priest may be assisted in the distribution of Communion by other priests who happen to be present. If such priests are not present and there is a very large number of communicants, the priest may call upon extraordinary ministers to assist him, i.e., duly instituted acolytes or even other faithful who have been deputed for this purpose.97 In case of necessity, the priest may depute suitable faithful for this single occasion.98 &lt;strong&gt;These ministers should not approach the altar before the priest has received Communion, and they are always to receive from the hands of the priest celebrant the vessel containing either species of the Most Holy Eucharist for distribution to the faithful&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course we do not see this in our churches. What we actually see refers more to a diocesan instruction: Special Ministers of Communion Archdiocese of Brisbane 1982, revised 1993:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The ministers come to the altar after the sign of peace.&lt;/strong&gt;  After the Lamb of God, the priest gives communion to the ministers —first the bread and then the cup. The priest and the communion ministers then take the eucharist to the people according to the local custom. (Alternatively, ministers may receive communion after they have ministered to the assembly — a stronger sign of their service.)&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Note that the current diocesan instruction predates &lt;em&gt;Redemptionis Sacramentum&lt;/em&gt; and therefore has the incorrect terminology to start with.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Considering that the GIRM was promulgated in May 2007, how come it is taking so long for the legislated practices to come into line? Or did the bishops sign up to something that they were not going to follow anyway? Just a thought as I hate seeing the lay people in their ordinary clothes looking like concelebrants, when the communion liturgy has still a long way to go.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/36055309-49998799116787330?l=et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/feeds/49998799116787330/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=36055309&amp;postID=49998799116787330&amp;isPopup=true' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/49998799116787330'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/36055309/posts/default/49998799116787330'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://et-clamor-meus-ad-te-veniat.blogspot.com/2009/03/on-holy-communion.html' title='On Holy Communion'/><author><name>Stephen</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17046426349502035242</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='14634101151098752683'/></author><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-36055309.post-3389408955055622112</id><published>2009-02-25T19:25:00.003+10:00</published><updated>2009-02-25T19:32:20.419+10:00</updated><title type='text'>Chesterton on St Mary's Part 3</title><content type='html'>Dear Readers, this could be my last post for a little while or at least my last regular one depending on how things go.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Returning to our topic, Fr Kennedy has often made use of the word "orthodox" and "orthodoxy" in very pejorative ways.  Fr Kennedy prides himself on being "unorthodox."  Jesus, we are told, was "unorthodox", whatever that's supposed to mean in such a context.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don't have much further comment to add since I think the following quote from Chesterton mostly speaks for itself.  This time, however, it is from another book of his aptly entitled &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Heretics&lt;/span&gt;.  I can only hope these snippets might edge some people into reading Chesterton.  If you haven't he's one of the best kept secrets out there and for many the greatest author of the 20th century.  This section is the opening paragraph of the first chapter.  The first chapter of &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Heretics &lt;/span&gt;by the way is an excellent antidote to this whole sorry affair as Chesterton explains the importance of going back to fundamental ideas.  The last paragraph on the monk and the lamp post is golden.  Anyhow, for now I present the following for your enjoyment:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;" Nothing more strangely indicates an enormous and silent evil of modern society than the extraordinary use which is made nowadays of the word "orthodox."  In former days the heretic was proud of not being a heretic.  It was the kingdoms of the world and the police and the judges who were heretics. He was orthodox.  He had no pride in having rebelled against them; they had rebelled against him.  The armies with their cruel security, the kings with their cold faces, the decorous processes of State, the reasonable processes of law--all these like sheep had gone astray. The man was proud of being orthodox, was proud of being right. If he stood alone in a howling wilderness he was more than a man; he was a church.  He was the centre of the universe; it was round him that the stars swung.  All the tortures torn out of forgotten hells could not make him admit that he was heretical. But a few modern phrases have made him boast of it.  He says, with a conscious laugh, "I suppose I am very heretical," and looks round for applause.  The word "heresy" not only means no longer being wrong; it practically means being clear-headed and courageous. The word "orthodoxy" not only no longer means being right; it practically means being wrong.  All this can mean one thing, and one thing only.  It means that people care less for whether they are philosophically right.  For obviously a man ought to confess himself crazy before he confesses himself heretical. The Bohemian, with a red tie, ought to pique himself on his orthodoxy. 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