tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-357514088561227680.post4428970091095029025..comments2008-08-24T17:46:06.140-07:00Jeff Burtonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18068021849429001560noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-357514088561227680.post-40409700681248989982008-08-24T17:46:00.000-07:002008-08-24T17:46:00.000-07:00We try to eat organic because it is more healthy for us and our children- and we are soooo not rich, and hopefully not perceived as snobby.LauraLynnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00751944809680925615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-357514088561227680.post-653046163544693182008-07-28T06:12:00.000-07:002008-07-28T06:12:00.000-07:00I have been pondering this a bit since I last commented. When I said, "I am with you on this", I should have been more specific. I am with you in that I too am becoming vexed by the elitism that I hear and see, which has become associated with eating certain ways. But this doesn't overturn my hope to eat in ways that are better for my body than other ways. I too love Cheetos, and they are especially good if you keep them in the freezer (a tip I learned from my father). But a steady diet of Cheetos, is not going to aid me in having physical energy for mission. So, I try to choose fruit for energy instead of Cheetos. Am I saying this to look down on others? No. Do I feel a superiority? Sometimes. Do I always make this choice? Nope. Is it a matter of adiaphora? Yep.<BR/><BR/>But then there is the other side. I have found that when people feel the 'elitism' of others, it is not always an elitism that they experience, but a feeling of guilt.<BR/><BR/>This is why I really like the Healthy Living class in Lifeshaping. Zach, and Jen, and others who fill in do a great job of balancing the tension of not looking down on others, trying to show connections between poor diet and physical problems, and all in the context of this being a matter of adiaphora, so that we can't bind the conscience of another and say, "You must eat this way!" Because, as Jesus says, the kingdom is more than food or what you will wear.<BR/><BR/>Not that you need me, but I am still with you in this, and this is a good reminder to guard my own heart against superiority or elitism, which can creep up in any stance I take.Timotheoshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09490033053844099376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-357514088561227680.post-58844169644311751472008-07-27T20:22:00.000-07:002008-07-27T20:22:00.000-07:00I am not in total agreement with the class issue and organic foods.There are plenty of earth-lovin' liberal folks living in farmhouses with peeling paint who grow organic food in their back yard. Can they be as snobby about their diet as those individuals whose organic veggies appear magically next to their Hummers? Absolutely! This is a heart issue involving self-appointed righteousness about diet that has been going on since the beginning of time. But the fact remains that not all foods are created equal even if we are.OilGirlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02107051691016445915noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-357514088561227680.post-22747761937311720402008-07-27T09:50:00.000-07:002008-07-27T09:50:00.000-07:00yea, I'm sure that's a whole 'nother can of worms. :)Brandy Dopkinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01380059635102533910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-357514088561227680.post-69942701067153305182008-07-27T09:22:00.000-07:002008-07-27T09:22:00.000-07:00Brandy,<BR/><BR/>I trust you will take this as a gentle prod, but I have several people I know and respect who in discussing a different topic would end up saying:<BR/><BR/>"This is my whole problem with the idea of teaching about how to watch movies in church"<BR/><BR/>The conflicts are endless.ronhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01068980797766702310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-357514088561227680.post-1741757823043397562008-07-26T11:06:00.000-07:002008-07-26T11:06:00.000-07:00You could not have better said what I've been thinking for YEARS!<BR/><BR/>This is my whole problem with the idea of teaching health food class in church.<BR/><BR/>Maybe someone will listen to you, I've just been looking like a crank.Brandy Dopkinshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01380059635102533910noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-357514088561227680.post-7655178351789864272008-07-24T13:14:00.000-07:002008-07-24T13:14:00.000-07:00Well, are you saying you eat cheap preservative laden food and you're proud of it?<BR/><BR/>If you are I hate to say it, but horrors, you might as well be sipping Francis Ford Coppola wine and watching you're righteous organic veggies grow.ronhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01068980797766702310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-357514088561227680.post-88403947630200437312008-07-24T13:04:00.000-07:002008-07-24T13:04:00.000-07:00Ron, if you want to call me out, just do it - don't hint around.Jeff Burtonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18068021849429001560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-357514088561227680.post-64562264454176241642008-07-24T12:46:00.000-07:002008-07-24T12:46:00.000-07:00Two problems with that article: New York Times and San Francisco<BR/><BR/>As is my nature I have to present the following:<BR/><BR/>Is it possible for conventional food advocates to unwittingly (or not so unwittingly) hold an elitist position of their own? I.e. "I eat cheap preservative laden food and I'm proud of it". Just as annoying as the condesension laid out by the well-to-do Econuts.<BR/><BR/>BTW, I'm happy to eat Cheetos and hormone injected beef as the next guy.ronhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01068980797766702310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-357514088561227680.post-32717239692267628442008-07-24T12:08:00.000-07:002008-07-24T12:08:00.000-07:00I am with you on this.Timotheoshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09490033053844099376noreply@blogger.com