Comments on Washington Interns Gone Bad: Over 1000 Radicals March on Washington

JSF, you don't seem able to have this conversation...

2007-03-30T22:26:00.000-07:00

JSF, you don't seem able to have this conversation from any other perspective as somebody with a legitimate emotional response. I do not hold that against you in any way. I in no way think that the actions of the Palestinians are acceptable. But I also see a whole lot of bad treatment of them by Israel. This is not a black and white case of good vs. evil. Both sides have their share of good and evil. And I don't think it's an unreasonable idea that both of them should stop killing each other and try to use some sort of diplomatic means to end the violence. Violence is the result of failed diplomacy. These are all very complex issues, and for you to lump in everybody who does not share your emotional response to this situation only have these opinions because they hate the Jews is just lame.

Jason, my reply to you is that I knew in acquainte...

2007-03-28T19:59:00.000-07:00

Jason, my reply to you is that I knew in acquaintence who was killed in a Tel Aviv Starbucks. Whether the bomber was anti-semetic or anti-Israeli didn't matter, he died anyway. I spoke with him two days before. This happened not long after Arafat was offered 90% of the land they requested. Again, how do you negotiatiate with someone who starts the conversation "We want to kill you," (That is also my view of the modern Dems these days). If the Palistinains want a state, build a state means making nice with the neighbors. Arafat never built a Governmental system or built bridges. When I hear speakers at the Protests, I have to ask, who is speaking for my friend who died getting a coffee?

well jsf, as i see it, all religion is not a race ...

2007-03-28T18:16:00.000-07:00

well jsf, as i see it, all religion is not a race affair, as the affairs of race, ethinicity and statehood are not necessarily tied together. as a matter of fact, i do beleive zionism is utterly irrational and i'll try my best to explain. you'll probably think i'm some kind of racist, which strangely gets a lot of use in this argument strictly involving religions and statehood.

i preface the forthcoming with this statement; i have respect for all peoples, especially the individuals in this world calling or being whomever they please. more power to them and may they be good to themselves and others.

on that note, maybe you haven't realized that not all jews are not genetically middle eastern in origin and that bothers you. perhaps it calls into question why aren't you comfortable in the middle eastern state where you family is from?

oh, since you are a certain religion, that makes you part of a race...and that entitles you to posses land that your "tribe" owned like 1,000 years ago...wow, i should try that! i'll have the french riviera, the welsh countryside, and a bit of the northern tip of morroco, please!

but thats silly, of course! why not just assimilate with the culture and deal with it like everyone else has to on this planet?

the only reason as to why not, is the reason for zionism co-opting judiasm for its own goal of owning a state that sponsors genocide and control. kinda reminds me of a certain guy and his association with a powerful social and nationalist "movement" back in the 20's and 30's that "used" ( i mean stole) some esoteric religious and mystical concepts from others and used them ham-fistedly for power and illicit gains, all to the means of a terrible and ghastly end.

so i suppose i don't really understand how this "zionism" thing works...maybe you could fill us all in on the details...aren't they written in an ancient, "holy" text? after all, religious fundamentalism is the best!

JSF, I've got to call bullshit on you. Protesting ...

2007-03-25T08:24:00.000-07:00

JSF, I've got to call bullshit on you. Protesting the policies of Israel is not the same as hating the Jews and you know it yet continue with that intellectually dishonest and emotional argument. You also should know that it's not the left who are anti-semitic. The left has genuine concerns with the apartheid being committed by the state of Israel. The real anti-semites of the extreme (and I mean more extreme than these neocon republicans) right have latched on to this more mainstream sentiment against the government of the country of Israel to help spread their hate of the Jews. You seem like an intelligent guy. Why would you be so intellectually dishonest about this one issue?

That said, I have to agree with you on some of your other points. When I lived in DC, I was pretty tight with some of the people who were organizing protests. This was back before Bush and before the war when they were protesting corporate globalization. Back then, the speakers at these rallies stayed on message to the specific cause. At some point the International Action Center, a branch of the World Workers Party or some other old guard Marxist organization (some would even go as far as to call them Stalinist, but I don't know enough to make that sort of accusation), created the ANSWER coalition which began organizing all of the anti-war protests. That's when the rallies became long and boring affairs full of every irrelevant speaker from every wingnut faction, speaking about any irrelevant issue they could speak about.

While I do think that the treatment of the Palestinians by the state of Israel is just as reprehensible as their retaliation of killing innocent people, that should be its own protest (though those usually wind up turning into a street fight between the skinheads who are genuinely anti-semitic and the anarchists who are not).

It's nice to know that those who hate Jews (whethe...

2007-03-24T18:27:00.000-07:00

It's nice to know that those who hate Jews (whether Anti-semitic or Anti-Isreali) live firmly on the left. How many Synogages are in Mecca? How many Jews live in the Arab Crescent? When you can form a Minyan in the Middle East outside of israel, then tell me the grievences of the Arabs.

oh, and by the way, the israeli government are mur...

2007-03-24T13:40:00.000-07:00

oh, and by the way, the israeli government are murderers too (not the whole "race of jews!) and yes, are anti-semetic as well. all arabic peoples are "semetic". what a terrible mis-appropriation of a word. perhaps most normal jews and palestinians want peace, but their gov'ts clearly are hired guns for the new world order.

do your damn homework and stop acting as if the governments of the world have a right to incite violence, commit genocide, and fund wars. they only have the right because we accept the rule of a patriarcal society. no amount of protests in the street is going to stop them. a protest is an expression, not a solution! only a full on revolution could stop the powers that be.

all protest is in vain. and the new world order kn...

2007-03-24T13:24:00.000-07:00

all protest is in vain. and the new world order knows that. politics are the manifestation of mankind being controlled...how wonderful.

It's wonderful that the protests happen. But last...

2007-03-24T09:19:00.000-07:00

It's wonderful that the protests happen. But last time (in January), they defaced the Capitol and during the 2004 inauguration, the same protesters defaced the naval Memorial. What made the "I have a Dream" speech and protest so sucessful was the middle class aspirations of the protestors. Today's modern protestors are Old Marxists and hippies who have nothing new to say. (Yes, i did hear the protests on pacifica radio). What doesn't help is their Anti-israel/Anti-Semite statements by the pro-palistinians on stage.