Comments on Fluffytek Art Blog: The Private Dancers

UL brings up an interesting point. If a shoot is ...

2008-06-25T02:47:00.000+01:00

UL brings up an interesting point. If a shoot is with just one model and one photographer, and it is paid, it is very simple. Model gets paid, model signs, and the photographer can use the images however he chooses, as long as it's not in a way to purposely cause harm or ridicule to the model. If the model trades, I think the photographer should be a little bit more flexible and allow the model a certain amount of input in which images can be used or not. If a shoot involves more than one model, and it's a TFP/TFCD shoot, it becomes even trickier. I go into that type of shoot knowing full well that the images that result from the shoot may not be used if the other model doesn't like them, and I will ALWAYS repsect the other model's wishes. No exceptions.

Lin, I have run into this as well, in a slightly d...

2008-06-24T15:22:00.000+01:00

Lin, I have run into this as well, in a slightly different fashion...models signing a release with the photographer giving him or her the right to show any photos taken, and then being told by the model in a shoot that I cannot show our images in a public venue.

Really, why do we waste our time with a shoot if we can't do anything with the pictures? It has been my time and expense since I still do some TFCD or TFP work.

If everyone involved in a shoot signs a release saying the photos are for public display, then each person should honor that legal agreement.

Like a GWC, I'd say call them MWC...Models Without...

2008-06-24T13:40:00.000+01:00

Like a GWC, I'd say call them MWC...Models Without a Clue.

I have never heard of such a thing... a "model" wh...

2008-06-24T10:50:00.000+01:00

I have never heard of such a thing... a "model" who wants to get paid, yet essentially wants to own the images herself? Odd indeed. I'm guessing this falls into the category of models who want it all yet have little to offer in return, much like models who don't show up for scheduled shoots, or models who would diss a photographer publically on his style of shooting, yet are first to come knocking on his door if there is an opportunity for a paid assignment or a workshop. Pretty discouraging and sad, in my opinion.

That's just sad. I mean, is a camera even necessa...

2008-06-23T23:07:00.000+01:00

That's just sad. I mean, is a camera even necessary? And these women should know that there is no real assurance that some of their photos will never surface out in public. Everything is on a network these days, and a GWC can always claim his computer/server was hacked.

I simply cannot imagine why I would want to take p...

2008-06-23T19:53:00.000+01:00

I simply cannot imagine why I would want to take photos that I can't show to anyone. The only way I shoot with a "model" who doesn't want to sign a release is if she pays me to do the shoot. But, in general, if you are going to model for me you are going to sign a release. Otherwise the camera stays in the bag and I don't waste my time.

Very interesting, Stephen. I shall look forward to...

2008-06-23T16:59:00.000+01:00

Very interesting, Stephen. I shall look forward to reading your article about this topic.

A few years ago an anonymously written article app...

2008-06-23T15:50:00.000+01:00

A few years ago an anonymously written article appeared in "The Asylum," a zine now defunct I believe, wherein the writer-model claimed a main source of income was charging GWCs (this was before that term gained currency) $100/hour to model for them in motel rooms on the Jersey side of the Hudson River, across from NYC. I thought that since that was a going rate for street walkers, such a mercenary approach to this otherwise noble pursuit had more in common with the oldest profession than with art.

For those models who desire cash, I pay a modest hourly fee. It's lower than some models otherwise demand for modeling, but some of even them work with me because of the superior quality of my photography. (Or so I think.)

Fascinating topic to me. I may write independently at greater length.

Strange...they get paid..but demand that no one se...

2008-06-23T14:25:00.000+01:00

Strange...they get paid..but demand that no one sees the photos? Kick um to the curb...

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