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I did not actually say we should take part in global capitalism.
I am against the global capitalist system.
What I am saying is it is possible to take a new path and work in solidarity with other countries and movements that are showing the way.Venezuela is a start.
New Labour is just the status quo with a shiny name, it is capitalism run rampant.
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The suggestion by Chris Gale, that it would be possible for Britain to be a socialist country, while taking part in global capitalism, because Venezuela does, is, with respect, wrong in my view.
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Also I think it's debatable as to whether Venezuela is really socialist. Obviously, it calls itself socialist (or claims to be heading that way), and has developed quite a bit of state/public owned industry recently, but as I understand it, it's economy is still in the main privately owned. The figures on public spending/welfare are quite disappointing too (and incidentally, way below what we and other developed Countries spend).
Anyway, the question remains, how can a country be socialist, while taking part in global capitalism?. In my view, if a Country is part of a capitalist system that exploits workers in other parts of the world, it cannot call itself socialist.
Yes, in an ideal world we would create new structures and transform world institutions, but I fear this utopia is very far away. So I would suggest the only way we could adopt socialism, would be by closing ourselves off and becoming isolationist. But as this would probably be unacceptable to most people in this Country, the best we can hope for is a less harsh form of capitalism - and of course this is what New Labour is really about.

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We have to push back to create new structures and transform world institutions. That can only come about through a move to a people not profit ethos taking root.
There is all to play for and the corrupt system we have now is by no means assured of winning the battle.

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John - although I very much admire you, I think your response on this occasion is a bit lacking, - and if I may be so bold, I will tell you why.
Just before The Labour Party took office in 1997, I was a post- graduate student in International Relations at Sussex University. During this period, I attended a talk given by the then Labour Party's election/publicity guru, Philip Gould. As a left wing Labour Party member myself, I could see that the central message of his talk was a nasty foretaste of things to come. For me, the message has also since explained why the Labour Party has gone the way it has, and why the left have failed to mount an effective challenge.
Gould said he had worked on many election campaigns all over the world (including Clintons election in the US), and was of the opinion that due to such things as, the fall of the Soviet Union; the globalisation and liberalisation of the international economy; availability of 24 hour instant news, and professionally run election campaigns, it would be virtually impossible for any party to get elected on a socialist platform anywhere in the developed world.
In other words we are so structurally integrated within global capitalism, that to all intents and purposes we do not really have a national economy anymore - and in reality, that much political autonomy (i.e. all Governments work on the private good-public bad premise). So how can we return to a quasi socialist-Keynesian system complete with nationalised banks/ welfare state/ publicly owned industry and system of public transport/public sector employment and Attlee post-war style Labour Government etc, and remain part of a global free market, with its ethos, and more importantly, it's associated political shell ?.
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Likewise we shouldn't delude ourselves into thinking this marks the return of socialism within the Labour Party. The rise of the right in the Labour Party occurred, as did the Thatcher/Major Tory Government before it, in response to the liberalisation of the global economy. So it's not just Labour `going through one of it's phases'.
Yes of course it would be best for the people of this Country if we could go back to Keynesianism. People might then start to get basics that are now mostly no longer affordable (such as food, warmth, a roof, and commuting), but the world has changed so much over the last forty odd years that it would only become possible if we adopted an isolationist approach.
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