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JW's list of his favorite AmericansBest President....

2008-04-17T14:31:00.000-04:00

JW's list of his favorite Americans

Best President.. Jimmy "the Peanut" Carter

Newscaster.. Dan "I'd" Rathher "make it up"

Farmer.. Tony "I stole the milk money and ran" (for Governor) P.

Preacher.. Rev Wrong

Bullshit Artist.. Bawwrack Ooobaammma

Drug of Choice... ridlin

yawn.... more insults from the man with no planWha...

2008-04-17T00:57:00.000-04:00

yawn.... more insults from the man with no plan

What is that number to donate to BFP?

bubba has left a new comment on the post "Bringing...

2008-04-16T21:30:00.000-04:00

bubba has left a new comment on the post "Bringing the war home":

"What a revisionist! They keep the hostages for over a year, then when Reagan is elected suddenly free them! I guess it was OK to keep them all that time because Jimmy Carter was President and he meant well! Not because they feared Reagan."

Right on cue without a clue.

Well, little bigot boy, did they stop taking American Hostages in the Middle East when Reagan became President?

If so, why did Reagan and Ollie illegally trade arms for non-existent hostages? What would possess them to do such a thing, bubbles?

If they feared Reagan, how does your ignorant ass account for the Beirut Bombing of '83 killing 241 US Military Personnel - 220 of them Marines?

That's what I thought.

I don't give a damn what you guess, schmuck. If you can prove it, feel free to cough up the evidence and make your case. The floor is yours, little bigot boy.

That's what I thought.

"God, what did we ever do wrong in Vermont to get this kind of trash sent to us from New York!"

Feel free to cough up your evidence that I'm from New York, schmuck.

That's what I thought.

Moreover, what evidence do you have that your ignorant ass is from Vermont, punk?

That's what I thought.

"TAKE BACK VERMONT!"

It's not yours to take, little bigot boy.

Take your ignorant slop where the climate suits your sheet, schmuck.

That reminds me, God left a message on my machine instructing me to tell you to go cheney yourself. In fact, he said ya could extend the offer to all of nameless-nitwit nation.

Dismissed.

What a revisionist! They keep the hostages for ove...

2008-04-16T20:35:00.000-04:00

What a revisionist! They keep the hostages for over a year, then when Reagan is elected suddenly free them! I guess it was OK to keep them all that time because Jimmy Carter was President and he meant well! Not because they feared Reagan. Strange events happen in the weird world of jwfool. God, what did we ever do wrong in Vermont to get this kind of trash sent to us from New York!

TAKE BACK VERMONT!

Anonymous has left a new comment on the post "Brin...

2008-04-16T20:14:00.000-04:00

Anonymous has left a new comment on the post "Bringing the war home":

""Yeah, Reagan and Ollie North really gained their respect ""

"Didn't Iran hold the hostages until Reagan was sworn into office to turn the hostages over to him?"

Yeah, they delayed the release to stick it to Carter for refusing to give Iran the exiled Shah. The Algiers Accords had already negotiated their release prior to Reagan being sworn in.

Reagan had nothing to do with it. As President Elect, he had no authority to do anything. No President-Elect does. Look it up.

"The ordeal reached a climax when the United States military attempted a rescue operation, Operation Eagle Claw, on April 24, 1980, which resulted in an aborted mission and the deaths of eight American military men. The crisis ended with the signing of the Algiers Accords in Algeria on January 19, 1981."

Gee, thanks for making my case for me, little factually-challenged fella.

Gee, I hate to confuse your ignorant ass with the facts, stupie, but if that's true, who negotiated the terms of Algiers Accords, little factually-challenged fella?

Reagan didn't become President until 1/20/81. He had no authority to negotiate anything while Carter was President. No President-Elect does. Look it up.

Is it your contention that 1/20/81 preceded 1/19/81, little factually-challenged fella? Gee, did Reagan don a cape and pull a Superman reversing the rotation of the Earth to go back in time, little fella?

Nice try. Evidently, they didn't teach ya how to count or read a calendar in your 4th Grade Class, little coalition of the clueless cretin fella.

Gee, that's a shame. That could have come in handy when you were fabricating this pathetic revisionist history of yours, stupie.

Once again, little fella, your pathetic arguments and lunatic-fringe POV may amount to and be about nothing, but you ain't no Seinfeld, schmuck.

"The hostages were formally released into United States custody the following day, just minutes after the new American president Ronald Reagan was sworn in."

"That's what wikipedia 'the official fact book for JW Coop' says...."

Wrong again, little factually-challenged fella.

Again, your own evidence undercuts your argument.

No wonder you fail to produce any so often. The facts just ain't doin' your ignorant ass any favors, little fella.

Just the facts, ma'am.

From Wikipedia:
"In America, the crisis is thought by some political analysts to be the primary reason for U.S. President Jimmy Carter's defeat in the November 1980 presidential election."

Well, little fella, if that's true, that would imply that some political analysts disagree with that POV rendering the matter somewhat less than settled and your point all the more moot.

Political analysts disagree all the time. Such is the nature of political analysis.

How does that advance your argument, little fella?

That's what I thought.

Once again, your "evidence" undercuts your own argument and you save me from any and all potential heavy lifting.

Thanks, little fella. For ignorant trash utterly incapable of rational thought, you're very thoughtful that way.

"...In Iran, the crisis is thought to have strengthened the prestige of the Ayatollah Khomeini and consolidated the hold of anti-Americanism and Iranian radicals who supported the hostage taking. The crisis also marked the beginning of American legal action, or sanctions, that economically separated Iran from America. Sanctions blocked all
property within US jurisdiction owned by the Central Bank and Government of Iran."

"WOW they really respected and feared Jimmy C."

"Yeah, Jimmy C handled it well. We still suffer from his incompetence today."

We do, eh? When the Algiers Accords were negotiated and completed on 1/19/81 as your evidence contends and the Hostages were released the following day moments after Reagan was sworn in as President, did Middle East hostage taking activities cease, little factually-challenged fella?

That's what I thought.

Is it your contention that they feared and respected Reagan, little fella? If so, how do you account for the continuation of Middle East Hostage taking. How do you account for the Arms for Hostages trading Reagan and Ollie were engaged in?

Moreover, if the Iranians and the rest of the Islamic World respected and feared Reagan so much, how do you account for the Beirut Barracks Bombing killing 241Americans in '83, little factually-challenged fella?

That's what I thought.

They didn't fear or respect Reagan's ignorant ass any more than I fear and respect yours, stupie.

And as long as we're citing Wiki:

"Hostage taking"

"... In 1979, Iranian students took hostage 66 employees of the United States embassy in Iran. On January 20, 1981, the day Ronald Reagan became President, the hostages were freed following the Algiers Accords. Hostage taking in the Middle East did not end there, however.[9] In 1983, members of Al-Dawa ("The Call"), an exiled Iraqi political party turned militant organization, were imprisoned for their part in a series of truck bombs in Kuwait. In response to the imprisonment, Hezbollah, an ally of Al-Dawa, took 30 Western hostages,[10] six of whom were American. Hezbollah demanded the release of the prisoners for these hostages.

Main article: Lebanon hostage crisis
Members of the Reagan Administration claim they believed that by selling arms to Iran, Iran would influence the Hezbollah kidnappers in Lebanon to release their hostages. At the time, Iran was in the midst of the Iran-Iraq War and could find few western nations willing to supply it with weapons.[11] The sale of arms would also, according to National Security Adviser Robert McFarlane, improve strained relations with Iran.[1]"

Concern for improved relations with Iran. No wonder the schmuck attempted suicide in '87 after being forced to testify before Congress once the Dems regained control of the Senate.

And another bogus, anonymous ignorant-trash "argument" goes Hindenburg as its factual foundations crumble and its evidence goes down in flames.

Oh, the sub-humanity!

Always a pleasure.

Dismissed.

"Yeah, Reagan and Ollie North really gained their ...

2008-04-16T15:01:00.000-04:00

"Yeah, Reagan and Ollie North really gained their respect "

Didn't Iran hold the hostages until Reagan was sworn into office to turn the hostages over to him?

The ordeal reached a climax when the United States military attempted a rescue operation, Operation Eagle Claw, on April 24, 1980, which resulted in an aborted mission and the deaths of eight American military men. The crisis ended with the signing of the Algiers Accords in Algeria on January 19, 1981. The hostages were formally released into United States custody the following day, just minutes after the new American president Ronald Reagan was sworn in. That's what wikipedia 'the offical fact book for JW Coop' says....

From Wikipedia:
In America, the crisis is thought by some political analysts to be the primary reason for U.S. President Jimmy Carter's defeat in the November 1980 presidential election. In Iran, the crisis is thought to have strengthened the prestige of the Ayatollah Khomeini and consolidated the hold of anti-Americanism and Iranian radicals who supported the hostage taking. The crisis also marked the beginning of American legal action, or sanctions, that economically separated Iran from America. Sanctions blocked all
property within US jurisdiction owned by the Central Bank and Government of Iran.

WOW they really respected and feared Jimmy C.

Yeah, Jimmy C handled it well. We still suffer from his incompetence today.

Did you forget those facts you little revisionist you Coopy or did they teach the facts differently in your NYU Poli Sci class?

JW said: "You can, however, get back to your Larr...

2008-04-16T13:40:00.000-04:00

JW said: "You can, however, get back to your Larry Craig Airport Men's Room Joint Appearance Tour '08, little fella."

How did you know there was a tour Coopy? Are you one of the groupies? Read it in your NYU Alumni mag? Fess up twinkle toes.

You don't.

2008-04-16T13:18:00.000-04:00

You don't.

Anybody heard from jwpoop lately? He's been awful ...

2008-04-15T21:31:00.000-04:00

Anybody heard from jwpoop lately?

He's been awful sparse with his comments.

You don't suppose his meds have been changed, do you?

Darned shame, because he usually contributes in such a thoughtful, meaningful manner.

Anonymous said... "Time to go to Iran !! McCain/Ch...

2008-04-15T20:38:00.000-04:00

Anonymous said...

"Time to go to Iran !!

McCain/Cheney 2008 !!"

Hey, if that's the ticket/platform ya wanna run on, knock yourself out, little factually-challenged fella.

You run that sucker up the flagpole and see just who sig heils that sucker.

Always a pleasure.

So much ignorant anonymous trash with bupkis, so l...

2008-04-15T20:29:00.000-04:00

So much ignorant anonymous trash with bupkis, so little time.

Anonymous said... "Good news...Jimmy Carter is on...

2008-04-15T20:16:00.000-04:00

Anonymous said...

"Good news...Jimmy Carter is on the case having a hug fest with Hamas." See the AP article below. This will go a long way to solving the Middle East problem. Like he was so good at managing it when he was on the job as Pres. The Iranians REALLY respect him."

Yeah, Reagan and Ollie North really gained their respect when they were illegally trading arms for hostages with them, little factually-challenged fella.

How many US Hostages died because of Carter? How many hostages did Reagan fail to bring back in one piece when he and Ollie were trading arms for hostages with the Ayatollah?

That's what I thought.

"The only thing missing is our roving goodwill ambassador Nancy Pelosi joining him."

In other words, Pelosi is not there with Carter doing what you're claiming she'd be doing if she was there as you simultaneously confirm the fact that she's not there doing what she's not there doing.

Thanks for clearin' that up, little factually-challenged fella.

I'm sure Pelosi appreciates the air-tight alibi you've just provided her with should any other factually-challenged/utterly-psychotic nameless-nitwit with bupkis make similarly specious allegations against her.

I know I do.

You're a prince, putz.

Anonymous has left a new comment on the post "Brin...

2008-04-15T20:08:00.000-04:00

Anonymous has left a new comment on the post "Bringing the war home":

"Thak you for the kind words Coopy. It is a pleasure to hear from the poster boy of the Dems/Progs. You are quite a spokesman for your cause, a purveyor of goodwill and the single reason I have to be a conservative.

"Thaks", schmuck. I'm not surprised to see even the likes of your ignorant, anonymous ass groping for reasons to remain a "conservative", little fella. Clearly, there's a lot of that goin' around.

As always, feel free to fail to produce evidence of me claiming to be a spokesman for Dems/Progs or anyone else, little never fail to fail fella.

I know you'll come through. You never fail to fail, little failure fella.

"Keep it up. Chase the undecides to the Red side."

Sure thing, schmuck. If you can get the "undecides", the Scum Vote may yet swell to triple figures in Vermont.

Always a pleasure.

Dismissed.

Thak you for the kind words Coopy. It is a pleasu...

2008-04-15T18:20:00.000-04:00

Thak you for the kind words Coopy. It is a pleasure to hear from the poster boy of the Dems/Progs.

You are quite a spokesman for your cause, a purveyor of goodwill and the single reason I have to be a conservative. Keep it up. Chase the undecides to the Red side.

The object of spitzer's desire has left a new comm...

2008-04-15T16:28:00.000-04:00

The object of spitzer's desire has left a new comment on the post "Bringing the war home":

"Wikipedia..the end all."

Like I said, little factually-challenged fella, if you've got evidence contradicting the facts of the Wikipedia entry I've cited, feel free to fail to produce it just like you've failed to produce evidence substantiating and in support of everything else you've ever claimed.

That's what I thought.

"We can only hope. "

You can't even do that, little never fail to fail fella. You can't even do that.

You can, however, get back to your Larry Craig Airport Men's Room Joint Appearance Tour '08, little fella.

Always a pleasure.

Dismissed.

Good news...Jimmy Carter is on the case having a h...

2008-04-15T13:21:00.000-04:00

Good news...Jimmy Carter is on the case having a hug fest with Hamas. See the AP article below. This will go a long way to solving the Middle East problem. Like he was so good at managing it when he was on the job as Pres. The Iranians REALLY respect him.

The only thing missing is our roving goodwill ambassador Nancy Pelosi joining him.

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RAMALLAH, West Bank (AP) - Former President Jimmy Carter embraced a leading Hamas figure Tuesday, according to participants in a meeting that infuriated Israeli officials already upset by Carter's freelance Mideast peace mission.
Carter also laid a wreath at the grave of Yasser Arafat, whom the Bush administration and many Israelis blame for the breakdown of peace talks seven years ago and the violence that followed.

At a reception in the West Bank town of Ramallah organized by Carter's office, the former president hugged Nasser Shaer, a senior Hamas politician, meeting participants said. Embraces between men are a common custom in Arab culture.

Anonymous said... Again, You make Bubba's point to...

2008-04-15T13:04:00.001-04:00

Anonymous said...

Again, You make Bubba's point to a tee. We need to continue to wage the war on terror. Letting our guard down invites more attacks."

In other words, ya got bupkis.

I'm shocked.

"BTW...nice line of questioning. I guess watching all those Boston Legal episodes is really paying off for you."

You're welcome.

As always, feel free to fail to make that case, too, little factually-challenged fella.

My faith in your inevitable failure remains unshakable, little never fail to fail fella.

Always a pleasure.

Dismissed.

Allegations of what? That you're an idiot?That you...

2008-04-15T13:04:00.000-04:00

Allegations of what?

That you're an idiot?
That you've nothing to say but the same cut-and-paste hyperbole?
That your momma dropped you on your head?

Your, ah, record here is clear proof of that.

Dismal.

Anonymous said... "Other authorative sources per J...

2008-04-15T12:56:00.000-04:00

Anonymous said...

"Other authorative sources per JW:
Air America
Huffington Post
Daily KOS
MoveOn.org
Everything ever said in any Oliver Stone movie"

In other words, ya got bupkis.

As always, feel free to fail to provide evidence to substantiate that allegation along with all the other evidence you never fail to fail to provide, little factually-challenged/fundamentally-dishonest/never fail to fail fella.

Always a pleasure.

Dismissed.

You have been watching those Boston Legal re-runs ...

2008-04-15T12:42:00.000-04:00

You have been watching those Boston Legal re-runs haven't you.

Anonymous said... "Everyone got it now?"Evidently,...

2008-04-15T12:34:00.001-04:00

Anonymous said...

"Everyone got it now?"

Evidently, you don't, little factually-challenged fella.

"The poster needs to prove his statement but Welch can make statements without proof of fact and its okay."

Well if that were remotely true or accurate, little factually-challenged fella, in addition to being a first, you'd almost have a point, but it's not and ya don't.

Actually, what we're dealing with here specifically is TH's BFP account of what Welch will say and the Stiglitz evidence he'll base it on as follows, little factually-challenged fella:

"Tomorrow, when taxes are due, Rep. Peter Welch will join with a couple of colleagues for a news conference on how much you owe for the war in Iraq.

Actually, they'll tell you today:

"The Iraq War has already cost U.S. taxpayers a staggering $526 billion in direct costs and roughly $1.3 trillion to the economy. That’s $16,500 for each U.S. family of four, or roughly $3 billion for each Congressional district in the country. Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph E. Stiglitz calculates that the eventual cost of the war in Iraq will be about $3 trillion."

So, that said, are you saying that the figures attributed to Welch in TH's BFP account are inaccurate or false?

If so, who are you calling a liar, little factually-challenged fella, Welch, TH, Stiglitz, the Nobel Prize-winning Economist or all of the above?

Again, if so, those are serious allegations, little fella.

As always, feel free to fail to produce any evidence in support of your specious, unsupported and unsupportable allegation, little factually-challenged/fundamentally-dishonest/never fail to fail fella.

My faith in your inevitable failure to do so remains unshakable.

"How does that make any sense...oh ya, if it is in line the jw's opinion , it's fact. If it doesn't, it's 'ignorant, anonymous trash with bupkis, factually-challenged slop you can't back up'."

Nice try. First of all, little fella, none of your factually-challenged ignorant slop makes any sense because it's invariably factually-challenged, ignorant slop with no supporting evidence or factual foundation.

Secondly, it's evidence because it's evidence based on verifiable accounts from multiple cited knowledgeable, independent sources.

Are you questioning TH's honesty, integrity or knowledgeability here, little fella?

If so, feel free to elaborate as you fail to substantiate your allegations.

I never tire of watching you expose yourself as the ignorant ass you so clearly are.

TH is a reporter for the BFP reporting what Congressman Welch will and has said on the matter and the Stiglitz evidence Welch and his colleagues are basing all or part of their presentation on.

On the other hand, some nameless-nitwit claiming "That is just disingenuous. I doubt very many Vermont families of four paid that much in federal taxes over the time of the war. I like Peter, but that spin is a little over the top for even me." ain't evidence, little fella, it's merely the "doubts" of some nameless-nitwit with bupkis.

So, now that we've dispensed with that, ya wanna tell TH and the Freeps that she/they are being somewhat less than honest in the TH account cited some more or do you wanna tell her and the Freeps Folks how they're complicit in my alleged slander of an anonymous poster with bupkis, little factually-challenged fella?

Either way, knock yourself out. That's entertainment.

Always a pleasure.

Dismissed.

Other authorative sources per JW:Air AmericaHuffin...

2008-04-15T12:34:00.000-04:00

Other authorative sources per JW:
Air America
Huffington Post
Daily KOS
MoveOn.org
Everything ever said in any Oliver Stone movie

Wikipedia..the end all.When does Wikipedia say jwc...

2008-04-15T12:28:00.000-04:00

Wikipedia..the end all.

When does Wikipedia say jwcoop will pull a Vince Foster?

April 16, 2008?
We can only hope.

so what's with the glamour shot of Welch?

2008-04-15T12:23:00.000-04:00

so what's with the glamour shot of Welch?

Again, You make Bubba's point to a tee. We need ...

2008-04-15T12:05:00.000-04:00

Again, You make Bubba's point to a tee. We need to continue to wage the war on terror. Letting our guard down invites more attacks.

Thanks for doing Bubba's work for him. I didn't realize you were such a closet Bush fan.

BTW...nice line of questioning. I guess watching all those Boston Legal episodes is really paying off for you.