tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post115941870241373352..comments2007-02-22T00:20:25.743-08:00Robhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-1159498931284830632006-09-28T20:02:00.000-07:002006-09-28T20:02:00.000-07:00Another book worth mentioning is <I>Apacheria</I> by Jake Page. Again, the Indians don't conquer the Americans, but they defeat them militarily and remain independent.Robhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-1159494381641696932006-09-28T18:46:00.000-07:002006-09-28T18:46:00.000-07:00"Pastwatch" will always remain a special book to me.Not a Siouxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08869325019023895806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-1159492682127934792006-09-28T18:18:00.000-07:002006-09-28T18:18:00.000-07:00It would be difficult to postulate a world in which the Indians conquered the Europeans in America. But see <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IndianComicsIrregular/message/82" REL="nofollow">Aztecs Won in "Gate of Worlds"</A> for a world with Indian empires and without European empires.<BR/><BR/>Another book in this vein is <I>The Years of Rice and Salt</I> by Kim Stanley Robinson. Again, the Indians didn't conquer anyone in this alternate history. They simply weren't conquered themselves.<BR/><BR/>The book <I>Pastwatch: The Redemption of Christopher Columbus</I> by Orson Scott Card implies that the Aztecs conquered the Americas and then Europe. But this happened off-screen, so to speak. Regardless, this is an excellent book and I highly recommend it.Robhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-1159478568696659582006-09-28T14:22:00.000-07:002006-09-28T14:22:00.000-07:00postscript: "Land Leviathan" has a similar IDEA. I hate leaving words out.Not a Siouxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08869325019023895806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-1159477438590443002006-09-28T14:03:00.000-07:002006-09-28T14:03:00.000-07:00I heard of the movie, and thought it sounded quite fascinating. However, it was not long before the bad reviews rolled in, so I never saw it. I now consider it to be a good idea waiting for proper execution.<BR/><BR/>"Lion's Blood" sounds good. I've read Barnes before only as a collaborator with Niven/etc.<BR/><BR/>I have, however read "The Land Leviathan" by Michael Moorcock:<BR/><BR/>http://www.cloggie.org/books/land-leviathan.html<BR/><BR/>...which has a similar. If you go to the above link, start with the fifth paragraph.<BR/><BR/>Any idea if this sort of turnabout but with Natives has been done other than the 'Vue essay that is the subject of this blog item?Not a Siouxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08869325019023895806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-1159475695508455432006-09-28T13:34:00.000-07:002006-09-28T13:34:00.000-07:00I've seen <I>White Man's Burden</I>. Good concept, but they didn't do enough with it. Read <I>Lion's Blood</I> by Steven Barnes for a real treatment of the race-reversal issue.Robhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-29769707.post-1159453968750680192006-09-28T07:32:00.000-07:002006-09-28T07:32:00.000-07:00Check out the movie "White Man's Burden" (1995). From the first listed reviewer on imdb.com:<BR/><BR/>"What I really found impressive in this film is the way it just falls into the turnaround of stereotypes"Not a Siouxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08869325019023895806noreply@blogger.com