Screw Loose Change

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2009-12-31T12:39:00.000-08:00

(Note: The date on this post is intentional; it keeps this post pinned to the top. Thanks for asking!).

11/11/07 Update: Loose Change Final Cut has just been released and so we have not prepared a full debunking. Both James and I have many comments about the movie below and I started a thread over at JREF with some examples of mistakes in the film. Much of the rest of the information in this particular post concerns the earlier versions of Loose Change.

Because this blog is getting so much traffic from Google searches and referrals from various forums and Wikipedia, we decided to put one post up top to link to information our newest visitors are apparently looking for.

First, if you have not seen the film and want to watch it, be sure to watch Markyx's annotated version, which he very kindly named after this blog, Screw Loose Change. Markyx did a terrific job on this, and we strongly recommend watching this version rather than Dylan Avery's cut.

James has put together a list of major lies in Loose Change. Here's Part 1. Part 2. Part 3. Part 4.

I compiled three very easily refuted lies in the movie. I also showed three tricks and distortions that are used throughout the film.

A friend of the blog named Mark Roberts (aka Gravy at the JREF forums) compiled this amazing Viewer's Guide to Loose Change, (now HTML) which includes a complete transcript of the movie, pictures and links that refute many of the claims, and which highlights the changes between Version 1 and Version 2.

The hot new film in 9-11 Denial is called 9-11 Mysteries. One of our JREF buddies, The Doc, has put together a rebuttal video called (you guessed it!) Screw 9-11 Mysteries, and assembled a viewers' guide to 9-11 Mysteries.

Many 9-11 Deniers focus on the collapse of World Trade Center 7, which fell at 5:20 PM on September 11, almost seven hours after the North Tower. If you want a really detailed analysis of WTC 7, I recommend Mark Robert's WTC 7 and the Lies of the 9/11 Truth Movement. I also recommend the BBC's terrific video on The Third Tower.

If you'd like to discuss the ideas about 9-11 you've encountered here or elsewhere, another friend of the blog started a Screw Loose Change Forum. It's a very lively place with lots of opinion back and forth between both sides. There's also a Screw Loose Change MySpace page, with some animated commentary. Of course, we also welcome comments on our posts.

If you're looking for detailed rebuttals of other aspects of 9-11 Denial, I heartily recommend 9-11 Myths, Debunking 9-11 and Internet Detectives.

Markyx has also put together a video (note: graphic images and strong language) called 9-11 Deniers Speak. If you think Dylan Avery and Jim Fetzer have any respect for the victims of 9-11, just watch this film. There are five parts. Part II, Part III, Part IV, Part V.
There's also a Google Video which is all in one part.

This should be enough to get you started debunking Loose Change to your friends. We have a lot more content below this post.

Notes on unusual terms/abbreviations: Looser (not a misspelling of Loser)=Believer in Loose Change. CT=Conspiracy Theory, Conspiracy Theorist. Truther=9-11 Conspiracy Theorist (all Loosers are Truthers, not all Truthers are Loosers). OS=Official Story. CD= Controlled Demoliton. LIHOP: Let It Happen On Purpose; theory that the government knew the 9-11 attacks were coming but allowed them to happen to further other goals of theirs. MIHOP: Made It Happen On Purpose; theory that the government planned and orchestrated the attacks. Most Truthers are MIHOP.

Update: Comments closed on this post, which is intended solely as a pointer. Because Haloscan will not let us close comments on a particular post, be forewarned: Don't leave a comment in this post or it will be deleted.

Update II: Note on comments: We maintain open comments on this blog, and so you will see lots of posts from people dissenting with our viewpoint on 9-11. We trust our readers to separate the good arguments from the bad arguments and come to their own conclusions. Links that you see in the comments are of course not endorsed by either James or Pat, and you should approach any link in the comments (as you should approach any link from the blog) with a healthy degree of skepticism.

But Whether It's LIHOP, or Whether It's ZIHOP...

2009-11-20T05:53:00.000-08:00

As I've often said, we cannot parody these morons, just point out their idiocy.

ZIHOP as Limited Hangout by Danse

In 1982, the Israeli strategic planner Oded Yinon penned a policy report calling for the balkanization of the entire middle east. He wrote:

"Iraq is first. Rich in oil, and internally torn, it is guaranteed as the
initial target. Its dissolution is even more important than of Syria. Egypt will then be torn apart, like a second Lebanon. ...The entire Arabian peninsula is a natural for dissolution. The matter is inevitable, especially in Saudi Arabia."

If you can really figure out the point of that post, let me know. For starters, let's remember that LIHOP stands for Let It Happen On Purpose, while MIHOP stands for Made It Happen On Purpose. Both phrases were created by Notorious Nico, but I doubt he would have made up ZIHOP, because it apparently stands for Zionists It Happen On Purpose. I mean, ZMIHOP makes more sense, no? Or even ZLIHOP, but ZIHOP doesn't parse at all.

Apparently we are to understand that this is not some rash bit of anti-Semitism from 9-11 Blogger, but... what? It goes on forever and concludes with this, no kidding:

I’m gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that I’ll be viewed as an Israeli apologist for writing this thread. But you’d be wrong to think I’m trying to shield Israel from the wrath of the 911 truth movement. Quite the contrary, those familiar with my posts know that I have long tried to highlight the Israeli role in 911, both in my writing and my video work. The problem I see is that the pendulum appears to be swinging so far in the other direction that the arguments are no longer rational. Atta’s pork chops – meet the wandering Jew. If you don’t agree with the premise that Israel and alleged “dual-loyalty” Jewish people are responsible for nine-tenths of the world’s ills you’re a “disinfo shill”.

Hey, Danse, I'll be the first to say that this bizarre post should not be construed as an Israel apology, especially when you say that Israel had some freaking roll in 9-11. What role, conveniently, is not spelled out.

The Hazards of Google's Context-Sensitive Ads

2009-11-19T15:57:00.000-08:00

If you want to know why we don't have Google Ads around here, this is one major reason why. I opened up my G-mailbox this morning and saw this:

Yep, good old Russia Today, with an article extolling the virtues of that piece of Italian dreck, Zero.

Background on KSM

2009-11-19T08:01:00.000-08:00

NPR has an interesting look back at Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's first trip to the US. Remember, he is one of the troofer's "Arabs living in a cave".

The professed mastermind of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, is expected to arrive in New York for trial by the end of the year. But it won't be his first trip to America. He has been here before, as a college student in the early 1980s.

Mohammed's first real taste of America came at a small two-year Baptist school called Chowan College in 1983. Nestled among the cotton fields of Murfreesboro, N.C., Mohammed arrived hoping his time at Chowan would become a springboard to an American education.

ADL Warns About Alex Jones

2009-11-18T12:03:00.000-08:00

Pretty good article on old leatherlungs here:

Though popular among anti-government circles in the 1990s, Jones reached prominence in the years after the 9/11 terror attacks, as he became one of the most energetic of the “truthers,” the conspiracy theorists who believe that the 9/11 attacks were an “inside job” by the U.S. government. He has also collaborated with “celebrity truthers” such as actor Charlie Sheen, and far-right icon Ron Paul, a U.S. Representative from Texas, has often been a guest on his show. In March 2008, media figure Lou Dobbs was a guest on Jones’ show.

Justin Raimondo Flirts with Truthers

2009-11-17T18:24:00.000-08:00

In regards to the trial of KSM and others:

Furthermore, we have to ask the question: what else will the defendants reveal about how they managed to down the twin towers and devastate the Pentagon armed only with some box-cutters?

No surprise, Raimondo speculates that perhaps they had help from the Israelis:

I, for one, fail to understand how the hijackers, with minimal technical skill and arms, managed to take over four airliners and – with superb timing and pinpoint accuracy – ram them into such high-value targets with absolutely no outside help. Not that there haven’t been intimations of such help. Was the Bush administration aware of some form of outside assistance (perhaps indirect, albeit intentional), possibly from state actors, and determined to keep it under wraps?

Our Man in Sydney

2009-11-17T07:38:00.000-08:00

JREF Forum member Brainache covers the Troofers Blunder Down Under Tour:

Part II, Featuring Cosmos:

Part III:

Part V with Luke Rudkowski and Inside Footage:

Terrific Job!

I'd Like To Think They're Kidding

2009-11-16T09:03:00.000-08:00

But I know they're not. In the midst of a discussion of the famed "beam weapons" imagined by Judy Wood and how ridiculous that speculation is, the supposedly responsible wing of the Troofers goes off the rails:

It could be that a lot of people come to DEW because they're already free energy believers. If you accept the latter then the former is obvious.

Another factor is probably that the pulverization of the concrete is poorly explained by conventional theories.

And while there seems to be general agreement that pushing the Death Star notion is not good politics, it cannot be ruled out.

Did it ever occur to you that it might be Judy Wood's job to incompetently advocate the advanced weaponry thesis so that the whole notion is discredited and never gets any serious research?

I am not satisfied by any of the explanations for the pulverized concrete. The notion that explosive nano-thermite could have done it has not to my knowledge been advanced in any rigorous way.

If the DEW people could provide adequate evidence, that's a different story entirely.

Agree. No one denies that Directed Energy Weapons are a lively, developing and horrific new field in unconventional warfare, nor that the Pentagon may well be 10-plus years ahead in terms of what is known to the public, nor indeed that DEW's may well be coming to a riot near you as a means of crowd control or as a new weapon to be used overseas (some reports indicate that DEW's are already being used in locales such as Iraq, but I have no hard evidence to indicate such), but there is ZERO evidence that they were employed on 911.

I do however find it interesting that both video morphology and directed energy weapons -- arguably two of the most significant (developing) means of unconventional warfare -- are being employed as disinformation tactics against the 911 truth movement.

There will come a time when both weapons will be used with some frequency, I suspect. Both audio and video morphing may have already been used in the various "Bin Laden" tapes.

One of the guys who refuses to rule out the beam weapons idea completely also decries using arguments from incredulity. But of course the whole "pulverized concrete" discussion is an argument from incredulity. "I don't believe it would look like that," is a classic argument from incredulity. Box Boy Richard Gage uses this in his presentations. He points out the pulverized concrete and claims that if explosives were not used, we would expect to see 110 floors of the World Trade Center stacked atop each other at the bottom of the pile. Since we don't see that, it must have been controlled demolition.

What a moron! Look, this is really simple. Even if the NWO had done controlled demolition with supernanothermitate, there would be no value to pulverizing the concrete. So we are left with two options: a) the concrete was (mostly) pulverized due to falling (on average) 55 stories, or b) the concrete was not mostly pulverized and claims that it was are largely a myth.

The website 9-11 Myths has a pretty good article on the pulverized concrete. Note in particular that Steven Jones himself has emphasized that describing the concrete as pulverized to a fine powder is an exaggeration:

As we examined the WTC-debris sample, we found large chunks of concrete (irregular in shape and size, one was approximately 5cm X 3 cm X 3cm) as well as medium-sized pieces of wall-board (with the binding paper still attached). Thus, the pulverization was in fact NOT to fine dust, and it is a false premise to start with near-complete pulverization to fine powder (as might be expected from a mini-nuke or a “star-wars” beam destroying the Towers). Indeed, much of the mass of the MacKinlay sample was clearly in substantial pieces of concrete and wall-board rather than in fine-dust form...

It seems that the 9/11 truth community likewise “has been slow to understand” that the WTC dust particles in greatest abundance are the “supercoarse” variety rather than “fine” particles, and that significant chunks of concrete were also found in the WTC rubble.

My take? I suspect a fair amount of the WTC concrete was pulverized from the collapse, but not all of it. I am thoroughly unsurprised by the notion that four-inch thick concrete floors falling from a great height were turned into dust by the collapse.

KSM, 4 Others Coming to New York for Trial

2009-11-15T19:11:00.000-08:00

I am a few days late getting to this, but it bears mentioning in case anyone missed it. Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and 4 of his comrades are now going to be tried in civilian courts in New York City, which predictably has brought criticism from Rudy Giuliani and others.

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani accused the Obama administration of "repeating the mistake of history" by bringing the self-proclaimed mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks and his accomplices to New York for a civilian trial, saying the administration has definitively reverted to a "pre-9/11 approach."

The mayor who oversaw rescue and recovery efforts in the wake of the attacks on lower Manhattan told "Fox News Sunday" the president is only granting the "wish" of Khalid Sheikh Mohammad at the expense of the American people and that the conspirators should be tried in a military tribunal.

I'll avoid the political aspects for now, but if you look at any of the troofer hangouts it is just amusing how they are all hoping for some dramatic Perry Mason moment where the "truth" is unveiled. Of course they ignore the fact that there is considerable evidence involved, without even getting into controversial subjects such as interrogation.

I just hope the troofers finally put there money where their mouth is. I want to see a free KSM movement, just as powerful as the free Mumia nuts. If they really believe what they say they believe, they have no excuse not to do something. Perhaps Richard Gage and David Ray Griffin can appear as expert witnesses or something?

Ryan Mackey Vs. Tony Szamboti Part II

2009-11-15T11:38:00.000-08:00

Unfortunately the audio quality was poor, but worth it for entertainment value to hear Szamboti's creative speculation. At one point he argues that the twin towers may have been brought down through hydraulics and cables.

The Last Word

2009-11-15T07:46:00.000-08:00

Here's a terrific post on the conspiracy crackpots:

Conspiracist Crackpots are oblivious to the fact that their conspiracy of choice tends to relate directly to their political views. Not only that but their embrace of the conspiracy actually flows out of their political ideology. Every single Birther is opposed to Barack Obama on policy grounds. Truthers who think 9/11 was an “inside job” done by the government are almost always politically opposed to the government. Leftist Truthers hate America and Right-wing Truthers hate the federal government. Holocaust deniers hate Jews. Afrocentric leftists who think the government engineered AIDS and crack also think America is fundamentally racist. You can do this with virtually every conspiracy.

Great job!

You Have Got To Be Kidding Me!

2009-11-14T15:21:00.000-08:00

The Troofers are having a big confab in Sydney, Australia this weekend, with Richard Gage and Steven Jones as the draws. The conference is dubbed "The Hard Evidence" tour (there are a couple more stops down under before it ends), and from the title, you might expect that Jones would be focusing on supernanothermatite, the material he claims to have found in the WTC dust, with perhaps a short digression into iron microspheres.

You would be wrong. In fact, according to one attendee:

Steven Jones is speaking right now. (He's going into great detail about the put options, btw)

Seriously. What's next, Jonesy? Eight of the hijackers are still alive according to the BBC?

Spot the Mentally Ill People In this Video

2009-11-14T07:47:00.000-08:00

The Troofers posting this (including the inimitable Matt Naus) think it's the guy harassing them, but most of us will recognize that it's actually the dolts asking "Who got NORAD to stand down?"

Here's Matt from about a year ago making a memorable presentation to Senator Russ Feingold:

Hat tip: Shadow Effect (in the comments).

Caption Contest!

2009-11-13T12:58:00.000-08:00

This photo of Luke Rudkowski in Sydney, Australia, just begs for a good caption. Go to work!

Goldwag of Boing Boing Notes the Paranoid Style

2009-11-13T05:33:00.000-08:00

Having stirred up the kooks last week, he kicks them in the face with another well-written article.

Of course he's furious! He's educated, articulate, and politically committed. He's not some disreputable, anti-social obsessive--he's a veritable exegete of 9/11 anomalies, as fluent in the jargon of physics as he is in political dialectics. It's bad enough that he has to endure the studied neutrality or outright hostility of the really big guns of the left--Amy Goodman, Noam Chomsky, Naomi Klein--but then an arrant nobody like me comes along with, as one of his fellow posters put it, "a metric tonne of standard issue boilerplate" and presumes that he can conjure away the whole edifice of 9/11 Truth with a couple of wisecracks. Not only am I smug and ignorant and intellectually dishonest --- it's as if I don't even care about the subtle distinctions between one brand of Truthery and another, as if I can't be bothered to acknowledge the museum's-worth of evidence that he and his colleagues have so assiduously curated.

As usual, the kooks come out in the comments; "50-ton hydraulic press," and "Pull it," are highlighted. My favorite is the guy who says:

To go along with the last link, here is an Appendix of the FEMA report showing unexplained, aberrant molecular changes in the steel, that weakened them dramatically. A "liquid eutectic mixture" is found that is high in iron, oxygen, and sulfur.

But isn't FEMA a part of the federal government? What happened, didn't they get the memo reading "ix-nay on the iquid-lay tectic-euay ixture-may?"

The 9-11 Controlled Demolition Movement It Is

2009-11-12T07:54:00.000-08:00

One of the Troofers posts this video with the note that "The 9-11 Controlled Demolition Movement cutting edge: Announcing the truth to the officialdom. The politicians."

As you can see, it's the usual fruitcake stuff. Note that when Gage gets off onto the other "evidence" presented, he actually mentions the put options. Seriously.

In the comments at the post on Flogger, someone asks about the new term, 9-11 Controlled Demolition Movement. The poster replies:

Now, the 2009 Nanothermite report of Dr. Jones and Prof. Harrit proves beyond any doubt that 9/11 is a controlled demolition, therefore an inside job. The invaluable scientific research of Richard Gage and his foundation only confirms this. And this is also being presented in their public education campaigns and their attempts to initiate a new investigation.

So, 9/11 Controlled Demolition Movement is a group of people who understand that 9/11 is a controlled demolition. The intellectual potential required for making this deliberate conclusion, in my view, must be around IQ70 and higher.

About half of the Troofers qualify under that standard.

Chandler's Smoking Gun Debunked

2009-11-11T17:10:00.000-08:00

Great job by JREF forum member Alienentity! I'll put up part II as soon as he finishes it.

Mackey Vs Szamboti Part I

2009-11-11T07:23:00.000-08:00

The first part of the Hardfire debate between NASA engineer Ryan Mackey and truther mechanical engineer Tony Szamboti is up. Another good faceoff between reality and fantasy.

Supermagico-Nano-Thermitate

2009-11-10T15:46:00.000-08:00

Box Boy is Australia this weekend and still selling the same line of bull. But I had to laugh at his latest interview with Truth News Australia, because as usual, the Troofers want to have it both ways. Starting about 17:00 in, Gage gets off onto thermite/thermate, which he explains is a high-tech incendiary. Now we can quibble about how high-tech it is when you can buy it on ebay, but note that about 17:50 he specifies that thermite "doesn't have the large 'bang' of C4 or RDX, high energy explosives."

But at about 29:50, Gage is back onto the "explosions described by over 100 first responders." It's like the whole bit about how thermite doesn't have the large bang is completely forgotten. And it probably is, for about 90% of the kooks.

Even Dumber Ft. Hood Theories

2009-11-10T07:40:00.000-08:00

These conspiracy idiots are getting even more inane. I swear, do they even live on the same planet as us?

The attack happened at the Soldier Readiness Processing Center in Ft. Hood, where troops wait to see doctors before being deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan, conveniently giving the wars more credence. Furthermore, the zone where the attack took place was a gun-free zone. Now how on Earth did a foreign firearm get into a gun-free zone in the biggest and one of the most important military bases in the U.S.?

Published in Sweden

2009-11-10T07:15:00.000-08:00

No, it's not one of those books that comes in a plain brown wrapper; it's my article on why the Truthers are wrong, and why their theories are dangerous. The English version is here.

The Truthers start with the assumption that the official story is wrong, and grab for any inconsistency in the official story as evidence that they are right. But the sensible way to investigate any incident is to examine the evidence and see where it leads.

And let me say right here and now that I would be willing to debate the two gals in the accompanying picture for hours on the topic of 9-11 Conspiracies. :)

Update: Arcterus at Truth Action:

However, I chuckled a bit when he said that Truthers ignore facts which don't fit their beliefs. How many extraordinary holes in the official story do we point out only for them to be twisted as irrelevant or inconsequential. Like I said earlier, you do not twist facts to suit your theories, you twist theories to suit your facts. And whenever something damning comes up, they simply ignore it. Even in that article, Pat tries to build a case for the Muslims but doesn't bother mentioning how some of them, including Atta, were seen at a strip club engaging in sacrilegious activities including eating pork and even leaving their Korans behind. Debunkers block out information all the time, even if they don't realize it.

This is a fair point, although the examples Arcterus chooses are not the best. For example, the story of Atta and others being seen at a strip club and leaving their Korans behind is dubious at best. It's mentioned in this newspaper article:

He said he told FBI investigators the men in his bar spent $200 to $300 apiece on lap dances and drinks, paying with credit cards. Kap said he gave the FBI credit card receipts and a business card left by one man and a copy of the Quran that was left at the bar.

But note this detail:

The night before terrorists struck New York and Washington, three men spewed anti-American sentiments in a bar and talked of impending bloodshed, according to a strip club manager interviewed by the FBI. John Kap, manager of the Pink Pony and Red Eyed Jack's Sports Bar in Daytona Beach, said the men made the claims to a bartender and a patron.

That would put Atta and other hijackers in Florida on the night of September 10, 2001. So how does Atta get to Portland, Maine, in time to catch his 6:00 AM flight the next morning to Boston? We know he did, because there is videotape of him going through the security checkpoint there.

The claim about Atta eating pork? It comes from Amanda Keller, who has since admitted that the Mohamed she met and talked about to Daniel Hopsicker, was not Mohamed Atta.

But the former Venice stripper now says her boyfriend was another flight student not connected to 9/11. And, for the first time, federal investigators say she's right.

"There's nothing there to corroborate the relationship between the two," a New York-based FBI counterterrorism agent said recently after reviewing 9/11 case files.

Now that is not entirely to say that the hijackers were all a bunch of Islamic choirboys. The 9-11 Commission report notes that some of the muscle hijackers did use prostitutes, and rent pornographic videos. But so did Jimmy Swaggart.

Ticket Sales for the Blunder Down Under Sluggish

2009-11-09T07:43:00.000-08:00

John Bursill writes that the response to a few of the sessions at the "Hard Evidence" tour has been tepid:

We still have 135 (out of 292) Tickets to sell for Saturday the 14th event and 210 (out of 292) for Sunday the 15th event.

Tickets for Sunday are priced at $32.50 in Australian dollars which is roughly $29 US at the current exchange rates. And it seems like a bargain, since you'll get to see the following major league troofers:

Luke Rudkowski (Head of WeAreChange NY and founder of WAC), Janice Matthews (Head of 911Truth.org), Cosmos (Head of TruthAction.org), Ken Jenkins (911 Truth's #1 Psychologist), Dr Frank Legge (Co-ed of the Journal of 9/11 Studies) and Hereward Fenton (Australia's top 9/11 Journalist)!

I can't imagine how those tix are not selling like hotcakes. I mean, 911 Truth's #1 Psychologist!

The Saturday event is the biggie; Richard Gage and Steven Jones, together again for the first time. But if you want to attend that session, it's $60 Australian, or about $54 US. Forget about asking the tough questions, however, as the Q&A session is going to be moderated by Bursill himself.

Truthers Hit Bottom, Keep Digging

2009-11-08T18:59:00.000-08:00

I have spent the last 3 days in the field for the Guard, so of course the recent incident at Ft. Hood was one of the main topics of conversation. I can't say I am surprised, but I at least hoped that the truthers would show enough tact to stay clear of this topic for their idiotic theories. I was once again disappointed. From 911 Blogger in a post titled "Fort Hood Shooting 'Oddities' "

I saw a comment over on BradBlog that said this was a traditional case of mutiny on the base. After they got things settled, they didn't want that fact to come out because it might encourage others who are feeling the same way to act out the same way, so they framed this psychiatrist who may have just been injured in the incident. Of course this is all speculation, but with the initial reports it kind of makes sense. We'll see what comes of it if anything.

An MIT PhD Takes On Rob Balsamo

2009-11-08T08:37:00.000-08:00

I confess that I can't follow the math, but I'm going to link this debunking of Balsamo's claim that the g-forces required of AA-77 given the flight path are too high for the plane to withstand for those who can.

Balsamo came up with a radius of 2085 feet, which is less than 10% of the radius I calculated for a genuinely circular arc that connects the top of the VDOT antenna to level flight at the base of the Pentagon. My calculations are correct, so Balsamo either made a mistake in his measurement, or chose a flight path whose acceleration is ten times the acceleration required for a genuinely circular arc.

After adding 1 g for earth's gravity, Balsamo gets a total of 10.14 g. As shown above, the correct value for a circular arc that passes above the VDOT antenna and ends in level flight at the base of the Pentagon is 1.9 g. Balsamo's "corrected" calculation is off by a factor of 5.

And this certainly sounds accurate:

The video amounts to an argument from authority. The self-assuredness of Balsamo's video monologue, combined with his sneering contempt for critics, is designed to convince viewers that he really does understand the physics and mathematics, while his detractors do not. In reality, Rob Balsamo is a former airline pilot with no discernible skills in mathematics or physics and a history of making outrageous mistakes in his calculations.

Hat Tip: Paul W in the comments.

Rosie the Ribbiter

2009-11-07T10:19:00.000-08:00

Rosie O'Donnell picks up where she left off (mp3 file, right click and choose save as to download), with 9-11 Truthiness.

Listening to it now. The bulk of the show is an interview with Willie Rodriguez, whom Mark (Gravy) Roberts took apart masterfully. It leads with a claim I had not heard before, about people in an elevator in Tower 2 being on fire prior to the second plane hitting. I'll see if I can find any reference to that one.