Comments on A Process Driven Life: Scattershooting: Peaches and Stuff

zrfvhsrmr. bunker also i re read all again and wh...

2008-07-12T12:31:00.000-07:00

zrfvhsrmr. bunker
also i re read all again and when you said "to say that those who are obedient don't have joy is just not true." when did i say that. i was agreeing with you. i never even alluded to that. quite the opposite. again brother, i am on the agreeing side of this. the fight the pushing etc but with joy. the reason i think that guy said it would fall apart was that people in the christian church scene dont know what joy is. they see fake joy all the time, so when he saw that true joy with your fellowship/community, he reacted, and said what he said. that was my whole point. your true joy brought conviction. and again it wasnt you but the lack of joy in his life. keep up the good work.

i met you at the Vincents house in springfield.

never said it was our first obligation, so i dont ...

2008-07-12T12:11:00.000-07:00

never said it was our first obligation, so i dont know what your disagreeing with. the post by bill peck was the intent. that these things that we are to self examine with are the things that we (i anyway, and mr. peck according to his statement about his church) tend to do to others. its just easier to judge others. that is the problem. we dont (individually/personally) move forward, press into kingdom, do whats right (separate) because we just justified our plank with the list of 1234567 etc etc. that by the way is what i like about Mr. bunker, is he follows through with conviction (well other than the speedracer thing, ha ha) and lives it. i dont know you so i just believe you about the joy part. no reason not to in other words. so my point before it got to be a non-point was as we grow and yield to conviction if we do it in joy, then we did are part. the other stuff was in response to mr peck and his church thing. that there are christians on the path that are at different levels. different thinking. anyway lets wrap it up at that. God Bless ( im in agreement with you, wasnt trying to argue.

KJV,I understand what you are saying, but I just d...

2008-07-12T09:26:00.000-07:00

KJV,

I understand what you are saying, but I just don't see how it applies. First, I disagree that our first obligation is to win others, or to evangelize. I believe we evangelize by our obedience. To say that those who are obedient don't have joy is just not true. Any who see us see our joy at our lives and community. It is like a guy who visited one time and he said, "I appreciate all this, but eventually you will all get to bickering and arguing and it will all fall apart", well, that is just foolishness. If we are obedient, submissive, and show love, then we are displaying the love of God. To not move because of what "might" happen (such as, XXX 'might' lead to pride), is just to come up with reasons not to do what we ought to do. It's all speculation based on fear, not based on reality. Other than that, I really don't have a clue what you are trying to say. It seems to me to just be muddying the waters a bit.

In Christ,

Michael

that is the problem. how do we do both. scriptural...

2008-07-11T22:25:00.000-07:00

that is the problem. how do we do both. scripturally i see both. separate and together. Narrow way and few that find it and three thousand at pentecost. so how do we not appeal to the masses and teach all nations. i agree with your post earlier. been there done that. i read it and said wow i could have wrote that. so i wasnt saying you were prideful or even the post was but i could lead there. in my post though i didnt say "appeal" i said favorite. so no Christ doesn't appeal to us, he convicts us, which is what i was saying. that conviction doesnt come by our living but by how they are living in contrast. now the drawing of the Holy Spirit will break through some hearts but others it wont. thats how i see it. but if we have first showed them a joyful and delightful spirit then we have reflected Christ, not a magnified us. thats to the lost and to all the different levels of a Christian in/on his walk. God Bless. i just re-read and this is clear as mudd.

Bill,Yes, and if it appeals to the masses (accordi...

2008-07-11T04:56:00.000-07:00

Bill,

Yes, and if it appeals to the masses (according to the Gospel) it is not the Gospel.

Michael

KJVSorry if I came off as prideful, that IS always...

2008-07-11T00:17:00.000-07:00

KJV

Sorry if I came off as prideful, that IS always a danger, but my little rant is more from a source of frustration than anything else.

My wife and I are having to separate from a small Fellowship, of people we really like and respect (many of them), because they cling to their Arminian beliefs ("resting in an Arminian Christ"), give lip service to doctrine, and have no concept of true Biblical separation. We've talked to some, shared Biblical Ag with others, me especially with one guy I had high hopes for, but to no avail.

They do many things fairly well, especially against the backdrop of the average megawhorehouses (the activities of which is lightly lamented during sermons from time to time) of our day, but there is no true desire for doctrine or separation. Yes, some there will wail and lament in prayer from time to time that they need to be separate from the world, but they would never truly do it, at least from what I've seen. And the majority, by far, have been professing Christians for many years...not too many babes running around.

Bottomline...while a few in there MAY BE elect, I do believe that is very possible, right now, there is none with the twin evidences of doctrine and fruit. God forbid that I be writing this out of pride, or unaware of how far I still have to go...I don't think I am, I pray I'm not.

You're right, drudgery is never gonna appeal to the masses, but neither is true Christianity, being lived out.

Bill

ok so in the 1234567 etc etc we still lump everybo...

2008-07-10T21:08:00.000-07:00

ok so in the 1234567 etc etc we still lump everybody in. "or at-least" and "or evens" are inclusive statements. (anybody can wiggle themselves in an at least or an or even. we self examin by looking (judging)at others but then pride comes in and we are really back at square one. dealing with our plank. thats what i liked about the spirit of the last post, was it made a blanket statement but with the understanding that a blanket covers a large area. there simply are christians at every level. new born babes drinking milk, raw even and then some eating chopped steak and at the same time christians with a steak and taters. i set the standard in my life by which others will judge me. by my obedience and joy etc. and that judgement will bring conviction to their own life. it wont be my standard as much as the lack of theirs that will bring it. they will see the running the pushing forward and striving but in a submissive and joyful manner. drudgery has never been a favorite of the masses.

Keep the faith. STRIVE to enter in at the narrow g...

2008-07-10T10:01:00.000-07:00

Keep the faith. STRIVE to enter in at the narrow gate. Run the race. Push into the Kingdom. Contend against sin and rationalization. Do not turn back, take your hand off the plow, or neglect so great a salvation.
The sad part is I've met many who say they're doing those things however when they're quizzed further they cannot really explain how they're doing those things.

Keep up the good work Michael.

Those are beautiful peaches. As is often the case...

2008-07-10T09:04:00.000-07:00

Those are beautiful peaches. As is often the case with your teaching, I'm not sure what to say other than it always exhorts me to continue in study and self-examination. I always analyze it in terms of "are you talking to me", not from a defensive point of view, but from an acknowledged need to continue learning. Thank you for that.

Judy

Keep on preachin it Michael!"No more self-examinat...

2008-07-10T08:36:00.000-07:00

Keep on preachin it Michael!

"No more self-examination, because that is just "legalism". No more striving, running, pushing forward, fighting the good fight. That is for legalists."

Yep, that is really unheard of anymore....just "rest in Christ" (AHHHH, ignorance IS bliss), but NEVER examine

1. whether your doctrine is sound, or if you even HAVE any doctrinal foundation

2. whether the Christ you find yourself "resting" in is the true Christ of the Bible

3. whether you are truly separated, or at least in the process, as God commands

4. whether you, and the people you fellowship with, are actually living a Christian life in your/their orthopraxy or even have any concept of what that is (most likely not, nor want to know about it)

5. whether the "church"/fellowship you attend gives a rip about right doctrine, not just lip service to it

6. whether your church/fellowship is a 501-c3 slave to the Beast

7 etc etc etc

Bill