tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24294398.post115620429579853473..comments2007-09-13T07:25:31.692-07:00grhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06201891791568746231noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24294398.post-85374715962671399862007-09-13T05:31:00.000-07:002007-09-13T05:31:00.000-07:00Hi Eric. My name is Chris Mostyn and I am an artists with the artdorks.com collective as well as a middle school art teacher. I am trying to use your post-it show as a model for a unit I would like to teach about collaboration. I was wondering if there was any info you could share that might be helpful other than what is posted on the GR site. Thanks alot. I have been a fan for several years of your mag and I cant wait to get to go to one of the galleries. If you go to myspace.mr_mostyn you can contact me. PeaceChris Mostynhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01686062347767218321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24294398.post-1156306032334998122006-08-22T21:07:00.000-07:002006-08-22T21:07:00.000-07:00i wasn't at the show. i would have liked to have been, though. <BR/><BR/>i think that elitist pricks who can't comprehend simple human respect in person ARE the really awful people. <BR/><BR/>the point is, you play by the rules and take a number and respectfully wait your turn and get over yourself and then you don't have to deal with any "potentially" awful people. by which point, i am not. i'm pretty great. <BR/><BR/>eric is right, and if you can't agree with him about a simple matter of a LINE, then you're a worse person than you're claiming to be. i'd be happy to say that to your face, "anonymous".thnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24294398.post-1156284799602797362006-08-22T15:13:00.000-07:002006-08-22T15:13:00.000-07:00Your insistence that "collectors" be given preference over others is exactly why people who appreciate GR avoid the kinds of galleries you buy from, and why folks like us (and even some of the artists) are so turned off by the "art world". The fact that all of your arguments are being made about this particular show makes it even more ridiculous! In so many ways this show is about accessibility, fair pricing, and opportunities for everyone. The arguments you've made about favoring "buyers" - which adds up to waiting lists for buying art sight unseen, preview selling, ridiculous mark-ups on "low brow" art that sells in smaller galleries for less, and galleries deciding who is and isn't worthy of hanging their merchandise on their walls, is what this particular show seems to defy with a big sqaure, sticky fuck off to snobbery!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24294398.post-1156276215130214772006-08-22T12:50:00.000-07:002006-08-22T12:50:00.000-07:00Well, I think that last comment pretty much sums up why some people don't want to take a number, and wait in line with a bunch of potentially really awful people that would take advantage of an online dialogue to say something that you would never dare to say in person. As an older working person, I find that I don't always enjoy being at an opening that is populated mainly by much younger people, and I can rarely make it to openings. I was not that "bitch" and I wasn't there, and I was trying to point out that if you are a gallery, you are there to make a profit, ultimately, if you want to survive. So you can be as high and mighty as you want about it, but in the end, you need the people with the money, not the people who are so busy being against the establishment that they'll never be able to buy anything other than a $20 Post-It. I don't excuse that woman being rude, but I'm willing to bet that she has been to many shows, and experienced many disappointments as a result of galleries that are not able or willing to accomodate the interested buyers. Am I wrong in thinking that this is art that hopes to survive, be taken seriously, and provide a living to its creators? It is collected by and shown in museums, and no one is labeling it "low brow" to keep it out of the "real art" world. That reveals a complete lack of understanding of the art market, and what many museums and galleries are about. And many of those people that are collecting are not able to do it in person; we rely on the galleries to keep us informed of shows, and honor the system of a buyer's list. I don't like anyone getting skipped ahead of me, but I don't like thinking that any gallery would refuse to sell someone art because they simply don't like them. No one should be able to buy every Post-It, and I think this show is a great way to get younger or less financially able buyers involved in and excited about art. But that doesn't mean you should say "No $20 art for you. This shows for all the kid that went without dinner to buy art. I'll call you next time I've got a really expensive Biskup available, though." I simply don't care for the name calling, and you sink to a level well below that woman's rudeness in doing so. You were right to not let her ahead of anyone, and she made the choice to leave. But I doubt that she will ever come back, if she has read any of this, and I don't know that it's worth it to lose a patron in order to enjoy saying some very nasty things. I think you rather destroyed any argument you had, claiming that you wanted the world to be all fair and considerate and gentlemanly, when you referred to this woman as a bitch, referenced the word several times, and then made comment about a "mother fuckin' Post-It." A gentleman would have said nothing, and been satisfied that this woman managed to purchase no art from his establishment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24294398.post-1156215131912984172006-08-21T19:52:00.000-07:002006-08-21T19:52:00.000-07:00i'd gladly feed that bitch a load of my corny shit (hothouse!) served on a silver platter forced down his/her throat with a silver spoon. highbrow enough for you, cuntbag?<BR/><BR/>next time, take a number and SHUT THE FUCK UP. the only thing you're entitled to is a boot up your ass.thnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24294398.post-1156207960104245472006-08-21T17:52:00.000-07:002006-08-21T17:52:00.000-07:00A concise, civilized, and rational response. Go Eric!<BR/><BR/>begin rant-<BR/><BR/>Might I add, the fact that the patron in question insists on calling the collective work of so many artist "low brow" irks me. It's a label that "the establishment" uses to try to put difficult, inventive work by young artists into a box so it can be safely marketed but still kept out of the relm of "real" art.<BR/><BR/>-end rantHeatherhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14069402448415881036noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24294398.post-1156207075907468642006-08-21T17:37:00.000-07:002006-08-21T17:37:00.000-07:00Waiting is never fun, but being crappy to other people who have been waiting longer than you have means no fun for everyone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24294398.post-1156204913931423082006-08-21T17:01:00.000-07:002006-08-21T17:01:00.000-07:00Two quick points (that are also in Eric's response):<BR/><BR/>1. Taking a number and waiting your turn has nothing to do with "hasty judgment." <BR/><BR/>2. For a show that is skewed toward first-time buyers and young art fans, leveling the privileges of regulars, insiders, etc. is just as important as having affordable prices.<BR/><BR/>-mwgrhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06201891791568746231noreply@blogger.com