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Nebrasks for instance does not allowing hunting. Hunting has and always will be an important part of wildlife management. The amount of hunters who actually hunt Sandhills cranes is minimal. Money is not a factor for states to offer hunting of cranes.Jeffhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01652141506929844444noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19608656.post-78030790592998784462008-02-13T00:41:00.000-05:002008-02-13T00:41:00.000-05:00Crane hunting is a very thought-provoking topic an...Crane hunting is a very thought-provoking topic and a practice that I find always surprises people. I have hunted some waterfowl in the past, but I could never get myself to hunt cranes. Their human-like stature and the precarious population status of most species adds up to too much of a stigma for me. I tried crane prepared by a coworker once and it tasted as good as any wild game, but not good enough to make me want to shoot it. I am also puzzled by the hunting of mourning doves, Wilson's snipe, and woodcock, for which the amount of meat harvested does not do not seem worth the effort or worth cost to their populations. The only birds I would feel goos about hunting these days are mallards, some Canada goose populations, and exotic game birds.Maxhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18037151652023799197noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19608656.post-90563992374835894352007-12-16T14:26:00.000-05:002007-12-16T14:26:00.000-05:00I have never hunted cranes, but I have and do hunt...I have never hunted cranes, but I have and do hunt ducks, geese, and turkey.<BR/><BR/>I suspect that the commenter is correct who suggests that assigning such adjectives as "majestic" to them is merely a reflection of their profile -- the way they seem more bipedal, somehow, than a duck does.<BR/><BR/>And yet I think of wild ducks as incredibly gutsy critters that do get me up before dawn and out into a swamp to see them -- and they do taste excellent.<BR/><BR/>I trust Matt Mullenix that grain-fed cranes are equally tasty. We have been eating them for 30,000 years or so, I suspect.Chas S. Cliftonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00923547685265741325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19608656.post-90761040296450437422007-12-14T15:36:00.000-05:002007-12-14T15:36:00.000-05:00Hi Julie,We may have spooled this out as far as we...Hi Julie,<BR/><BR/>We may have spooled this out as far as we can in one day. But let me say I agree we have much in common---a glance at your profile alone finds some of my favorite music and books (I love Dillard)!<BR/><BR/>So maybe there is room to slip past the barbed wire after all. I hope so.<BR/><BR/>Incidentally, I was pointed to your post by mention at writer Henry Chappell's blog. Henry has been enjoying your pieces for some time. And he hunts birds. :-) <BR/><BR/>* http://byhenrychappell.blogspot.comMatt Mullenixhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11198069782508775543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19608656.post-58802131272640502652007-12-14T15:28:00.000-05:002007-12-14T15:28:00.000-05:00Yeah, DU, QU, PU, and the rest aren't shy about pu...Yeah, DU, QU, PU, and the rest aren't shy about publicizing their efforts and I can see where it would get old. <BR/><BR/>As far as the "from Pluto" comment, I sometimes forget how opposed some people, even outdoors people, are to hunting. At social gatherings, folks just kind of smile and fade away when the subject of hunting comes up, for the most part. Much like I do when faced with a conversation of the joys of veganism. This was a good reminder for me.<BR/><BR/>I should have mentioned, I found my way here by way of a link from writer/conservationist/hunter Henry Chappell's <A HREF="http://byhenrychappell.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">Home Range</A>.mdmnmhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00191436711956580423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19608656.post-31951615494617161942007-12-14T14:43:00.000-05:002007-12-14T14:43:00.000-05:00Loving this. Since the vast majority of readers ha...Loving this. Since the vast majority of readers have moved on to my usual fare of cute dogs and goat cheese, it's nice to be able to take things into a little more detail. Thank you, Matt and mdmnm, for confirming my suspicion that sandhill cranes taste good. I needed to get that from the hunters' mouths. Like all writers, I'm gathering information here. Like all bloggers, I'm making assertions that may or may not be borne out by fact. It's a luxury I don't have in writing for magazines or books, which may be why blogging is more fun. And why I'm doing this instead of writing about chimney swift feces (my pursuit for the last day and a half).<BR/><BR/>I will confess to being a bit weary of being beat over the head by Ducks Unlimited's roaring success. Of being told that I'd have no place to watch birds if it weren't for hunters. I'm tired of getting mailings from Pheasants and Quail Forever, boasting about their millions of members. I don't understand why hunting organizations garner such strong support, when a terrific bird magazine like Bird Watcher's Digest has to scrape for every subscriber dollar they get. Why birdwatchers and nature lovers are so darn passive, and so darn cheap. I've been trying to sell art and books to them since 1976. They are.<BR/><BR/>I envy hunters their sense of fraternity and their pride in protecting habitat. I wish hikers and birders and passive enjoyers of the out of doors could be one one-hundredth so dedicated, so willing to write a check for what they cherish, so clear about the connection between land preservation and the preservation of their hobby. But they aren't. It's more of a cerebral, surreal thing for us...we're just glad there's "wilderness" out there "somewhere." They don't seem to realize that they could make a difference if they just cared a little more, and were willing to let a few dollars slip through their fingers for conservation.<BR/><BR/>I've enjoyed getting you guys in the mix. I need your help to poke my side into some kind of action. I want these nice folks to know more about the birds and animals they love, and I want them to think about things they'd never think about otherwise. Every once in awhile, you do need to fart at the cocktail party.<BR/><BR/> I'm tickled at having smoked a couple of articulate, thinking predators out of the thousands of nice folks who read this blog.I won't be joining you for roast crane at the Thanksgiving table any time soon, but I appreciate your thoughts, and your willingness to lay them out in a respectful way. I don't think it's fair to classify people who are appalled at crane hunting as noodniks from Pluto, any more than it's fair to characterize crane hunters as barbaric goons--the gut reaction each of us has to the other, the one we have to fight off if we're to communicate. There's a lot of emotion on either side of the barbed wire that separates us, and there's precious little real information or empathy. Thanks for helping me closer to understanding why people hunt cranes.Julie Zickefoosehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06654698829603424649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19608656.post-3794675076288851042007-12-14T12:23:00.000-05:002007-12-14T12:23:00.000-05:00Well, I'm no Mullenix but I hunt (I've hunted cran...Well, I'm no Mullenix but I <A HREF="http://sometimesfarafield.blogspot.com/2007/01/dead-horse.html" REL="nofollow">hunt</A> (I've hunted cranes) so I'll throw a couple of thoughts out.<BR/>You write-<BR/>"I think it's a shame that hunting by a very small number of permit holders makes the birds so wary that the millions of people who just like to watch them--a non-consumptive but economically valuable use of the resource-- have to watch them at great distances, or from blinds in the pre-dawn darkness."<BR/> I'll approach from a bit of a tangent. First, wonderful as the National Parks are for viewing wildlife, there is something not real about watching animals where they are indifferent to humans. It is a thrill, but a large part of that thrill comes for many of us because of the rarity of watching a big mule deer buck or a band of elk go about their business. Normally, it takes skill and luck to get such a treat. In a park, though, it isn't natural, not normal. Throughout history, humans have been active parts of the ecosystem and animals have reacted to us. If we weren't predators, why do we get such a thrill out of watching animals? Watching animals in a zoo is unsatisfying as an adult because it is too artificial. I wouldn't want hunting in National Parks, absent some sort of emergency cull. Nonetheless, to me viewing animals in a Park does not really convey a true sense of how wary and special they really are. I get a kick out of it, but an elk fifty feet from the road in Rocky Mountain National Park is not the thrill as an elk in an aspen grove on the Uncompahgre Plateau. <BR/>I'm kind of surprised that you find cranes so wary. I watch them nearly every weekend from the first of November to the end of January while on the river only a few of miles from where you took those lovely photos. They typically fly low and, while they will flare if they notice a human, they aren't particularly observant. They'll usually let you walk up to within about fifty yards and, if you go up the the Bernardo Waterfowl Management Area a couple of miles north, you can drive to within twenty yards of them. I find snow geese much more wary of humans. One hunter I know hunted cranes once, then never put in for another permit because "they're kind of dumb" in his opinion. <BR/><BR/>Addressing your thought regarding birdwatchers and the economic value of eco-tourism, I don't think that it is as great as you do. I recently returned from a hunt in the Panhandle of Texas, near a little town called Tulia, between Amarillo and Lubbock. 5,000 people in town. The motel we stayed in had perhaps eight vehicles parked in front, of which five belonged to bird hunters, some of whom were hunting cranes. I would guess that most birders would be happy to either see cranes near their home (heck, I am) or might travel to a refuge such as Bosque del Apache to observe them. That travel helps Socorro and maybe some of the outlying towns if folks travel, as you did, to Magdalena or like places. However, it doesn't bring any money to eastern NM, the southern Rio Grande Valley, the Gulf Coast Prairie (think Eagle Lake, Tx) or the Panhandle where significant numbers of Sandhill Cranes winter. Hunting puts people in motels and cafes and some money in landowner's pockets, giving all those folks a concrete reason to be concerned with the welfare of cranes. In contrast, as long as say 5 thousand cranes wintered at the Bosque and the Festival of Cranes was held each year and there were a few birds at <A HREF="http://www.fws.gov/southwest/refuges/TEXAS/aransas/matagorda.html" REL="nofollow">Matagorda</A>, the economic impact from birders would be about the same. For that matter, cranes are most likely to be hunted by waterfowlers and our big conservation group is Ducks Unlimited. Is there any organization for birders that can come close to the <A HREF="http://www.ducks.org/media/News/_documents/National.pdf" REL="nofollow">$162 million</A> raised by that organization, of which over 80% went to conservation on nearly twelve million acres in three countries!<BR/>I'm not knocking other organizations, every dollar and half acre of habitat helps, but I really question the economic impact of birding as opposed to hunting. That said, I welcome every bit of habitat preserved or improved by birdwatchers- in love of birds, animals, and wild bits we have common cause. <BR/><BR/>At to why we don't hunt spoonbills or wood storks, I'd guess that they don't taste good and that interest in doing so is too low to defray the cost of permitting and monitoring the hunt. Which creatures are considered game or food sources in different areas or cultures is an interesting whole other topic. <BR/><BR/>Last, I apologize if my previous post came across as a bit strident. I completely understand the topic causing you to feel "brimful of vinegar". I feel the same way, myself, coming from the other side. 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They are a stunning sight (writer Steve Bodio calls them "flying crucifixes"*) and produce a sound, as you know, like almost nothing else on earth. It is haunting.<BR/><BR/>Upright and walking on the ground, the cranes are easily anthropomorphized. This was especially true of those I knew in Central Florida that walked in small groups across suburban lawns, tall as ten year old children. In a huge flock on a grain field, they seem more like a crowd of noisy old men.<BR/><BR/>Why shoot them? The first answer must be for food, and they are GOOD eating! I kid you not and would never joke about good food.<BR/><BR/>As others mentioned, Sandhill cranes eat grain (at least in winter on the western plains) and their breast meat is dark and rich and tasty as premium beef or elk. I've eaten it grilled, which one would expect to dry out any wild bird meat, and yet found it to be juicy and flavorful and indistinguishable in texture from beef. <BR/><BR/>The other, superficially similar birds you mention (storks and herons) are actually unrelated waders and eaters of fish and other aquatic small animals. I don't have a clue how they might taste, but I gather it might be "fishy!" At least, there is a long history of hunting cranes for food, but no such comparable tradition of hunting herons for the pot. I think that tells us something.<BR/><BR/>I am not sure how to address your point that human hunting pressure makes cranes wary and difficult to view. I wonder if that could be the only answer?<BR/><BR/>Certainly, in Florida the cranes I saw were tame and faced no threat from suburban homeowners. You could view them from quite close.<BR/><BR/>But on the high plains, humans are the least of the Sandhills’ worries. Coyotes, bobcats, eagles and the larger hawks all eat cranes regularly. Cranes flock and feed together, I would hazard to guess, as a defensive measure as much as for the company. If cranes are wary in the wild, they probably have good reason to be. Remember, they taste GOOD.<BR/><BR/>I hope someone else with real experience hunting cranes can weigh in here, but I don't expect that's likely. They are not a popular quarry (relative to waterfowl or deer) and I suspect are hunted regularly (and respectfully) by only a few specialists. The others, whom you saw catered to on the outfitters' websites, probably would not be hunting cranes without such special catering. <BR/><BR/>Probably they could not get themselves close enough to try.<BR/><BR/>* http://stephenbodio.blogspot.com/2006/06/ten-birds-part-1.htmlMatt Mullenixhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11198069782508775543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19608656.post-81309270852323763312007-12-14T10:36:00.000-05:002007-12-14T10:36:00.000-05:00Dear Matt, Thank you for your thoughtful post. I ...Dear Matt,<BR/><BR/> Thank you for your thoughtful post. I want to hear from people who hunt. I want to understand why sandhill cranes are hunted. I'd love to think that every one that gets shot gets eaten, even though I doubt that is true. I agree that my use of the term "sport hunting" was loose, and doubtless offensive to responsible hunters everywhere, and I apologize for that. I checked out some outfitter websites that glorified what seemed to me to be recreational shooting of cranes, and I got mad. Reason flies out the window when I'm mad. <BR/><BR/> I hope you appreciate that, as a carnivore, I can't and won't criticize hunting for food. I admire people who can kill, clean and prepare their own food. I've been inside hundreds of dead birds and animals in preparing specimens, eaten lots of venison given to me by hunter friends. I buy local, humanely raised meat as well as the Styro-packaged stuff. I completley agree with you on those points (and have a series of sustainable farming posts now) No problem there. The point I'm trying to make is that I don't understand why sandhill cranes should be subjected to hunting, when herons and egrets aren't. Why not shoot roseate spoonbills? Why not wood storks? They're coming back. There are probably enough of them to support shooting a few every year. That's my point. I don't get it. Is it because sandhill cranes happen to taste good? Is it because there are so many of them?<BR/><BR/>My main point, though, is that I think that sandhill cranes are worth much more alive than dead, as ecotourism attractions. I think it's a shame that hunting by a very small number of permit holders makes the birds so wary that the millions of people who just like to watch them--a non-consumptive but economically valuable use of the resource-- have to watch them at great distances, or from blinds in the pre-dawn darkness. There's something about that situation that doesn't seem right to me.<BR/><BR/>I have a feeling you and I would get along just fine should we meet and talk. We share a great deal, much more than we disagree on. You'd be a blast in the field, I'm sure. And I very much appreciate the respect you show in your post, catching more flies with honey than vinegar. I'll admit that I'm brimful of vinegar on this topic. I'd really like to entertain a persuasive argument for shooting sandhill cranes in this forum. So, as they say, hit me with your best shot!Julie Zickefoosehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06654698829603424649noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19608656.post-33264606534769016632007-12-14T09:36:00.000-05:002007-12-14T09:36:00.000-05:00Hi Julie,We may both regret my posting, and I apol...Hi Julie,<BR/><BR/>We may both regret my posting, and I apologize in advance if that proves true!<BR/><BR/>I enjoyed your sincere piece on the Sandhills and the prospect (or the horror) of hunting them. I am a hunter---not of cranes, but of other birds I'm sure we both would agree are beautiful and wonderful and worth protecting.<BR/><BR/>It's a conundrum, the hunter's worldview, and an old one. Michael Pollan called it "The Omnivore’s Dilemma," which expands the implication to all of us---even those who choose not to hunt or eat meat.<BR/><BR/>My aim here is not a defense of hunting. But I would like to comment on the use of the term "sport hunting," which, like you, I also find offensive and difficult to reconcile.<BR/><BR/>A few years ago, the USF&WS proposed a review on the "sport hunting of migratory birds," which included an opportunity for public comment. My comment (as a hunter of migratory birds) was obviously in support of continuing the Service's hugely successful wildfowl conservation programs, which are funded in large part by hunting permit fees.<BR/><BR/>But I took objection to the casual use of the term "sport hunting," which I view as implying that the activity has no practical purpose or intrinsic value and is thus merely an exercise in cruelty.<BR/><BR/>From the comments posted here, I think a lot of folks feel the same way.<BR/><BR/>It may be that some hunters kill only for sport, meaning they have no intention of eating the animal, and that, moreover, they view killing it only a test and proof of their skill. Large white men in safari hats standing over dead lions come to mind. <BR/><BR/>But believe it or not, such people are rare. Whether they should properly be called “hunters” or “shooters” is a point of some debate in hunting circles; the fact is, most people who hunt wild animals eat them. Securing food is a necessary component of hunting for most Americans, even in this “time of plenty,” when plastic wrapped meat can be purchased from Wal-Mart. <BR/><BR/>I said this was no defense of hunting, but I suppose it is a defense of eating animals, generally. If you choose to eat animals, then you must choose either to kill them yourself or pay someone else to do it for you. <BR/><BR/>On a small scale, paying someone else to do the killing is a practical and long-held practice among people in small communities everywhere. It is no cruelty or moral cop-out to let a small local farmer provide your meat. <BR/> <BR/>But to buy meat from huge corporate supermarkets is to buy meat from animals almost certainly raised in horrifying squalor and crushing density and killed with indifference to every value except profit.<BR/><BR/>Yet I do this, and most Americans do too. It is not particularly pleasurable to think about. <BR/><BR/>In high contrast (to me at least), is my seasonal hunting for meat. An animal still dies to feed me and my family, but it is not one raised in a pile of manure, penned tight against a thousand others and pumped full of drugs so that it can die young in a factory rather than even sooner from stress and disease. <BR/><BR/>Avoiding the support of such horror to do, instead, only what the cats and hawks and coyotes do for a living is a pleasure and an honor. <BR/> <BR/>As long as I choose to eat meat, I will choose to hunt (clean, and cook) as much of it myself as I can. <BR/><BR/>I appreciate your attention and patience with my statement here. And I thank you for the opportunity to comment.Matt Mullenixhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11198069782508775543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19608656.post-66896373717125408412007-12-13T11:34:00.000-05:002007-12-13T11:34:00.000-05:00Well, before the Whooping Crane experiment at Bosq...Well, before the Whooping Crane experiment at Bosque del Apache failed, anyone who hunted Snow Geese or Sandhills in the Middle Rio Grande Valley wildlife areas had to attend a class and pass a test on bird identification. Since the Whoopers failed to breed and have aged out of the population, the class is no longer required. In the twenty some years the Whooper experiment went on, I recall one that was shot by a hunter and that individual was prosecuted.<BR/><BR/>Crane permits in the area described in this post are closely controlled. Other areas, such as Easter NM and the TX Panhandle, have bag limits but do not limit permits (limited permits are distributed by lottery). The number of permits in that area has gone down, no doubt in response to fluctuations in crane numbers.<BR/><BR/>"The thought of bringing these long-lived, monogamous, family-oriented and highly intelligent birds down for sport or roasting makes me physically ill."<BR/>No question cranes are beautiful and interesting birds. As far as "sport" goes, it is not only illegal but against the ethics and traditions of hunting to leave meat in the field. Since they eat a lot of grain, Sandhill Crane is generally more mild than goose, though a similarly dark meat. Since you find hunting "indefensible", I won't argue but echo t.r.'s point and say that you wouldn't have had a refuge to go to, nor likely any birds to see, but for the interest of hunters in the ducks, geese, and cranes the lobbied, advocated, and raised money for. Probably the best thing that can happen for Prairie Chickens is a hunting season, as that keeps the most effective wildlife advocacy group this country has ever seen (in terms of money, actual boots on the ground, and political influence) aware of the species and working on its welfare. <BR/><BR/>Great point about buying a duck stamp and a question off topic- how many of you all wrote your congressperson this past year when they were looking at cutting the CRP way back? I hope the answer is "all"mdmnmhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00191436711956580423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19608656.post-67897103692285658552007-12-09T18:05:00.000-05:002007-12-09T18:05:00.000-05:00Hi Julie,It sounds as if your New Mexico visit was...Hi Julie,<BR/><BR/>It sounds as if your New Mexico visit was magical, at least on the surface. Like most tourist attractions, it pays to look beneath the surface, and your post wonderfully represents bot the majesty and the tragedy of the Sandhill Crane. I loved the text and the photos. I'm just sorry that I didn't get to meet you when you were here.<BR/><BR/>Cheers,<BR/>GailGail Garberhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08255607401005562090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19608656.post-35236702731263238642007-12-06T09:54:00.000-05:002007-12-06T09:54:00.000-05:00What a great comment-discussion you've triggered, ...What a great comment-discussion you've triggered, offering a forum for an objective all-points-considered exchange. I'm always impressed at how you straddle the line between emotionality and pure scientific observation, finding beauty and meaning in both perspectives.<BR/><BR/>Your post triggered some daddy-hunting memories for me, and I ended up posting about it--though not as eloquently as you! Check it out if you have a minute sometime.dguzmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01811101661607351661noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19608656.post-77841177533730801352007-12-05T21:01:00.000-05:002007-12-05T21:01:00.000-05:00Great post, Julie. I agree with LittleOrangeGuy. ...Great post, Julie. I agree with LittleOrangeGuy. Those of us who admire you take in so much information and we are enlightened. It's not all about the dog.Maryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02040099513110890878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19608656.post-8025958143264024602007-12-05T19:10:00.000-05:002007-12-05T19:10:00.000-05:00Endangered Whooping Cranes not only could be shot ...Endangered Whooping Cranes not only could be shot by Sandhill Crane hunters, they have been, two in Kansas in 2004 ! Others have been shot by Snow Goose hunters, though not in the last few years. Just deplorable ! These were whoopers from the Wood Buffalo-Aransas NWR wild flock, currently about 250 birds. These birds migrate between NW Canada and Texas each year.Sarahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12622829084271770317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19608656.post-498960405064057642007-12-05T18:12:00.000-05:002007-12-05T18:12:00.000-05:00Well, I couldn't kill anything..I save the lives o...Well, I couldn't kill anything..I save the lives of stranded earthworms...I couldn't bear to (directly)kill the cockroaches in my apartment in the city. I couldn't kill an English House Sparrow, though I am sorely tempted and have a standing offer of a pellet gun to use to get the job done. <BR/><BR/>However, I have no problem with hunting. License fees pay for conservation programs that are constantly being cut by the administration. Deer are pretty, too.Aprilhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10329722830225386635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19608656.post-79373637496058901812007-12-05T13:31:00.000-05:002007-12-05T13:31:00.000-05:00I've thought long and hard about this posting.Wher...I've thought long and hard about this posting.<BR/><BR/>Where I grew up, people hunted to feed their families. In the 1970s, hunting was an absolute necessity for many families. It still is. In that respect, I don’t think it is an inappropriate prehistoric activity. But I do think it is inappropriate when we hunt endangered animals, when we hunt (or fish) them to death in pursuit of other “more valuable” species, or when we want a trophy rack, vanity pelt, or stupid thrill, and leave their bodies to rot on the ground.<BR/><BR/>A few years ago, an Anishnabeque (Ojibway woman) elder explained to me the importance of being respectful to the animals whose lives you take; she said that a true and honourable hunter will look that animal in the eye and will know exactly what he or she is taking, will offer thanks, and make repentance for having taken that life. S/he will honour that animal by using every part of an animal possible, returning what is left to the earth so that it can renew life.<BR/><BR/>Julie, I always appreciate the way you are able to open issues such as these with passion, intelligence, and respect.<BR/><BR/>It really isn’t all about the dog!littleorangeguyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12654738679277701610noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19608656.post-54340178157520549762007-12-05T12:58:00.000-05:002007-12-05T12:58:00.000-05:00The Nature Conservancy here does a good job of buy...The Nature Conservancy here does a good job of buying adjoining land and conservation easements around already protected property. And their land is hunter, windmill, and atv free. In addition to the duck stamp, support the Nature Conservancy and ask that your donations be earmarked for local conservation projects.T.R.http://www.blogger.com/profile/00595967532391171082noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19608656.post-71066351646740806372007-12-05T12:34:00.000-05:002007-12-05T12:34:00.000-05:00Julie, I tend to agree with you, I'm not particula...Julie, <BR/><BR/>I tend to agree with you, I'm not particularly advocating crane hunting just trying to put it in context. Wildlife and game managers tend to look at birds as populations and not individuals which makes hunting easier to understand. <BR/><BR/>I absolutely agree with the sentiment though, that birders and other non-hunters should get more credit for habitat preservation. The Pittman-Robertson Act was really influential to that end, in which a tax is levied against sportsmen for purchases of guns, ammo, etc. The money goes to habitat preservation. I'd be totally for something similar enacted for purchases of binoculars, scopes, field guides and things like that. That way we would get the recognition deserved.N8http://www.blogger.com/profile/04649782420633788927noreply@blogger.com