<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14771541</id><updated>2009-12-08T00:08:27.943-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Thoughts in a Haystack</title><subtitle type='html'>. . . good luck finding them.</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><link rel='next' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default?start-index=26&amp;max-results=25'/><author><name>John Pieret</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17336244849636477317</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>2148</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>25</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14771541.post-4682913568693077011</id><published>2009-12-08T00:01:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2009-12-08T00:01:00.203-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Givin' 'Em Ideas</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Sx3GNam4waI/AAAAAAAAEO0/jFNDpvb46r4/s1600-h/Colbert+120809.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 200px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 320px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5412700260952228258" border="0" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Sx3GNam4waI/AAAAAAAAEO0/jFNDpvb46r4/s320/Colbert+120809.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;James McGrath of &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com/"&gt;Exploring Our Matrix&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt; ... oh, and a Professor of Religion at Butler University and a &lt;i&gt;real&lt;/i&gt; Bible scholar ... has &lt;a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/1207/p09s04-coop.html"&gt;an Op-Ed piece&lt;/a&gt; in &lt;i&gt;The Christian Science Monitor&lt;/i&gt; on the terminally lame Conservative Bible Project instigated by the incredibly dense Andrew Schlafly, son of the indescribably incoherent Phyllis Schlafly, being carried out at Andy's laughably cretinous Conservapedia. After noting:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;When it first started, it was difficult to tell if it was an authentic conservative phenomenon or a parody along the lines of "The Colbert Report."&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;... Professor McGrath goes on to say: &lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;[W]hen people set about to radically rewrite the Bible and call it "translating," or deny that what they really are doing is rewriting the Bible, it's misleading and dishonest. ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A good example is the discussion on the Conservative Bible Project page about whether the manager in Luke 16:8 should be referred to as "shrewdly dishonest."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The discussion on the Web page suggests that he should rather be considered "resourceful," a "better conservative term, which became available only in 1851." No mention is made of what the actual Greek term might mean, much less of whether relevant linguistic parallels or cultural evidence might provide clarification of the Greek term's meaning.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The meaning of words in the underlying languages is simply ignored, and the "translators" make clear that their interest is to make the English text mean what they believe a conservative Bible ought to mean.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The fact that the Greek text in the same verse explicitly calls the manager "unrighteous" or "unjust" is likewise never mentioned. It seems that for a project like this, all one has to do is "translate" that word as meaning something else, and the problem is solved.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why not go even further and add a parable in which Jesus praises employers who pay their workers as little as possible, or one that extols Caesar Augustus for not providing universal healthcare, while they're at it? &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;Now you've gone and done it, James! This is a two-way street. A lot of the same people can't tell when they are being parodied. Pretty soon we'll have the parable of the man who fell among thieves telling the Good Samaritan to keep his hands off Medicare.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#ffffff;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14771541-4682913568693077011?l=dododreams.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/feeds/4682913568693077011/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14771541&amp;postID=4682913568693077011' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/4682913568693077011'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/4682913568693077011'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/12/givin-em-ideas.html' title='Givin&apos; &apos;Em Ideas'/><author><name>John Pieret</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17336244849636477317</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='17665637512838394680'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Sx3GNam4waI/AAAAAAAAEO0/jFNDpvb46r4/s72-c/Colbert+120809.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14771541.post-7612307959939913141</id><published>2009-12-07T19:42:00.005-05:00</published><updated>2009-12-07T23:28:56.786-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Carnival of Elitist Bastards'/><title type='text'>Carnival the Fourteenth, Elitist Bastards and All</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Sx2hFhUrtXI/AAAAAAAAEOs/LzulNx4nx-s/s1600-h/Carnival+120709.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 213px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 320px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5412659443385742706" border="0" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Sx2hFhUrtXI/AAAAAAAAEOs/LzulNx4nx-s/s320/Carnival+120709.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;The Carnival of Elitist Bastards XIV is &lt;a href="http://almostdiamonds.blogspot.com/2009/12/carnival-of-elitist-bastards-here-be.html"&gt;up and running&lt;/a&gt; at &lt;i&gt;Almost Diamonds&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If for no other reason, go read it to see why Stephanie Zvan finds "There's no place better than the internet to be sick.":&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;In addition to all the wonderful people, there is also the opportunity that's been provided to me to turn this mess into something worthwhile, something educational. I haven't only been writing about this because it's been difficult to write about anything else. I've also been doing it to provide a counter to some of the anti-vaccination hysteria going around. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;There is still nothing sweeter than the lemonade we make from what life has handed us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#ffffff;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#ffffff;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#ffffff;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14771541-7612307959939913141?l=dododreams.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/feeds/7612307959939913141/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14771541&amp;postID=7612307959939913141' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/7612307959939913141'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/7612307959939913141'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/12/carnival-fourteenth-elitist-bastards.html' title='Carnival the Fourteenth, Elitist Bastards and All'/><author><name>John Pieret</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17336244849636477317</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='17665637512838394680'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Sx2hFhUrtXI/AAAAAAAAEOs/LzulNx4nx-s/s72-c/Carnival+120709.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14771541.post-3661995764117399337</id><published>2009-12-07T18:51:00.003-05:00</published><updated>2009-12-07T20:14:46.073-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Selective Memories</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Sx2Ygt44GII/AAAAAAAAEOk/E-VysGgiNB0/s1600-h/The+Flood+120709.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 198px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 320px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5412650015010592898" border="0" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Sx2Ygt44GII/AAAAAAAAEOk/E-VysGgiNB0/s320/The+Flood+120709.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Science, smiance!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.abpnews.com/content/view/4618/53/"&gt;God will see us through!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;[A] conservative Christian group released a report questioning the science, economics and theology surrounding calls to counteract global warming. ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Calvin Beisner, national spokesman of the Cornwall Alliance] said "pretty much all of the scientists" warning about the dangers of global warming are "secular Darwinists" who believe the Earth came about by random chance. Because of that, he said, they view the world's climate system as "very fragile, not resilient" and that "a tiny little bit of an influence on it could throw the whole thing into utter collapse."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Beisner called that "a fundamentally anti-Christian worldview."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"The biblical worldview tells us instead that this Earth is the product of God's wise, intelligent design, and in Genesis 1:31 we read at the end of all creation God saw all that he had made and, behold, it was very good," Beisner told Land, president of the Southern Baptist Convention Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He reasoned that assigning catastrophic results to small shifts in atmospheric chemistry "assumes a fragile Earth instead of the well-designed Earth."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"The biblical worldview tells us that the Earth and its climate system -- all its ecosystems -- are robust, resilient, self-regulating, self-correcting, so that these tiny changes cannot cause disaster, and that's what the science is bearing out," he said. &lt;/blockquote&gt;Denialism and the assumption that God will bail our asses out is a recipe for giant stupid.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But even on their own terms ... don't they remember what was supposed to have happened the last time their God played weatherman?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#ffffff;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14771541-3661995764117399337?l=dododreams.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/feeds/3661995764117399337/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14771541&amp;postID=3661995764117399337' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/3661995764117399337'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/3661995764117399337'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/12/selective-memories.html' title='Selective Memories'/><author><name>John Pieret</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17336244849636477317</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='17665637512838394680'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Sx2Ygt44GII/AAAAAAAAEOk/E-VysGgiNB0/s72-c/The+Flood+120709.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14771541.post-8056824755520954870</id><published>2009-12-06T09:02:00.002-05:00</published><updated>2009-12-06T09:10:17.760-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Damned If You Do</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Sxu5nxlrNpI/AAAAAAAAEOc/QD8ojnFLOgM/s1600-h/Gould+120609.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 186px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 320px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5412123470193178258" border="0" alt="" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Sxu5nxlrNpI/AAAAAAAAEOc/QD8ojnFLOgM/s320/Gould+120609.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;A thought:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;In many ways, [Stephen Jay] Gould's brilliance and success made him a target for fools and creationists, and turned him from merely a paleontologist into a media celebrity on par with Carl Sagan and Steven Hawking. Like Hollywood celebrities and other high-profile figures, Gould did not have as much privacy as he would have liked, dealt with the constant distraction of people demanding his time and attention, and everything he said or did was scrutinized. Shermer&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; analyzes some of the criticisms of Gould, and dissects his prodigious volume of writing about his favorite topics, and even the elements of his writing style. Much of the criticism stems from scientific jealousy and the complaint that Gould's writing was too popular (the so-called "Sagan Effect"). As Raup&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; noted, Carl Sagan was denied many honors (such as election to the National Academy of Sciences) in his field and dismissed as more a popularizer of science than a research scientist. However, Shermer debunks this myth by showing that Sagan continued to publish peer-reviewed articles at the same pace, even as he worked on "Cosmos" and wrote trade books. Gould actually published more peer-reviewed science than he did books or essays for the general public. Indeed, Gould's productivity in every category (peer-reviewed articles, books, popular essays, book reviews, and the like) outstrips all the prominent scientists of his era, including Carl Sagan, Ernst Mayr, E.O. Wilson, Stephen Hawking, and Jared Diamond. Gould was elected to the National Academy of Sciences, and became one of the most respected scientists in America. He served as president of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), the Paleontological Society, and the Society for the Study of Evolution (SSE). Gould received dozens of honorary degrees, and won nearly every award he was eligible for, including the MacArthur Fellowship, the so-called "genius award." As a true measure of his fame across the culture, Gould was portrayed by a cartoon of himself (providing his own voice) on The Simpsons. Another episode of the same show that aired the week he died was dedicated to his memory.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ironically, now people complain that the problem with science literacy in this country is that there are too few popularizers, and too few scientists who step out of their ivory towers to convey the importance of science for the general public. These critics include marine biologist Randy Olson, who made a documentary about creationism and scientific arrogance entitled "Flock of Dodos", or Chris Mooney and Sheril Kirshenbaum, authors of &lt;i&gt;Unscientific America: How Scientific Illiteracy Threatens our Future&lt;/i&gt;. It seems you can't win. You can become a Carl Sagan or Stephen Jay Gould and have your professional peers snipe at you out of jealousy for your popularity, or you can retreat to your lab and let the culture critics complain that scientists are too aloof.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- Donald Prothero, "&lt;a href="http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ptb;idno=6959004.0001.001;cc=ptb;rgn=main;view=text"&gt;Stephen Jay Gould: Did He Bring Paleontology To The 'High Table'?&lt;/a&gt;," &lt;i&gt;Philosophy &amp;amp; Theory in Biology&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;_________________________________________&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;1&lt;/sup&gt; Shermer, MB. 2002. This view of science: Stephen Jay Gould as historian of science and scientific historian, popular scientist and scientific popularizer. Social Studies of Science 32(4): 489-525.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;sup&gt;2&lt;/sup&gt; Raup, DM. 1986. The Nemesis Affair: The Story of the Death of the Dinosaurs and the Ways of Science. WW Norton.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#ffffff;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14771541-8056824755520954870?l=dododreams.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/feeds/8056824755520954870/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14771541&amp;postID=8056824755520954870' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/8056824755520954870'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/8056824755520954870'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/12/damned-if-you-do.html' title='Damned If You Do'/><author><name>John Pieret</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17336244849636477317</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='17665637512838394680'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Sxu5nxlrNpI/AAAAAAAAEOc/QD8ojnFLOgM/s72-c/Gould+120609.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14771541.post-8076581029274672507</id><published>2009-12-05T22:35:00.005-05:00</published><updated>2009-12-06T12:27:35.364-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Pearls Before ...</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/SxtkWuz_BqI/AAAAAAAAEN8/qM_jUE_ZWF0/s1600-h/Swine+120609.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 221px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 320px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5412029718901753506" border="0" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/SxtkWuz_BqI/AAAAAAAAEN8/qM_jUE_ZWF0/s320/Swine+120609.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;A 1.8 million year-old ground sloth skull was discovered near Beaumont, California, according to &lt;a href="http://www.sbsun.com/news/ci_13935547"&gt;this story&lt;/a&gt; from the San Bernardino &lt;i&gt;Sun&lt;/i&gt;, "Fossil find in Beaumont fuels earth age debate." The fossil dates from the Ice Age and is the first ground sloth to be discovered west of the Rockies. Not everyone is pleased:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;Creationists who believe the earth is only about 10,000 years old balk at talk about the fossil's age.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Among them is Frank Sherwin, a writer and speaker with the Dallas-based Institute for Creation Research.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sherwin, who holds a master's in zoology from the University of Northern Colorado, said while such findings are exciting, claims made about the ancient date of the skull should be met with skepticism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"The fossil record doesn't document these alleged millions and millions of years the evolutionists talk about," Sherwin said.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;His organization believes man and animals were created at virtually the same time. Secular scientists stumble over the complexities of the natural world and continue to adjust the age of the earth to fit their theories, Sherwin said. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;Drat those scientists! Constantly changing their theories! And the shocking evidence of their perfidy is: &lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;He noted that most secular scientists today date the earth at about 4.5 billion years, in contrast to Charles Darwin and his peers, who about 150 years ago argued whether the earth was 20 million years old or 200 million years old. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;No doubt Mr. Sherwin, should he need an operation, will reject anesthesia and the quaint notion of sterilization and have his procedure done the way it would have been done when Darwin was in medical school, before the fickle medical profession adjusted its practices to its theories!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then the story goes into the existence of creationist accommodationists who allow for an old Earth and how that's better for the faith of young people. There is much drivel to go around and the story, which ostensibly was about an interesting fossil find degenerates into a theological squabble.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And people wonder why Americans are so scientifically illiterate.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#ffffff;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14771541-8076581029274672507?l=dododreams.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/feeds/8076581029274672507/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14771541&amp;postID=8076581029274672507' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/8076581029274672507'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/8076581029274672507'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/12/pearls-before.html' title='Pearls Before ...'/><author><name>John Pieret</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17336244849636477317</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='17665637512838394680'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/SxtkWuz_BqI/AAAAAAAAEN8/qM_jUE_ZWF0/s72-c/Swine+120609.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14771541.post-862093180940330055</id><published>2009-12-04T15:42:00.013-05:00</published><updated>2009-12-05T13:14:10.925-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Huh?</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Sxl0YrnnPpI/AAAAAAAAEN0/TpaBJXgX88o/s1600-h/T.+Rex.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 229px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 320px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5411484394636918418" border="0" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Sxl0YrnnPpI/AAAAAAAAEN0/TpaBJXgX88o/s320/T.+Rex.JPG" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;This may be the start of another run of posts where I wind up criticizing / making fun of David Klinghoffer. For some reason, probably having to do with his getting on a train of thought that causes him to address matters that interest me, my noticing him seems to run in spurts ... with several posts about him in the space of a week or two and nothing for a month or more.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://blog.beliefnet.com/kingdomofpriests/2009/12/gods-image-in-mans-upright-posture.html"&gt;This one&lt;/a&gt; is a doozy. It seems that God has an upright posture: &lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;... &lt;a href="http://blog.beliefnet.com/kingdomofpriests/2009/10/gods-image-in-mans-face----and-hands-and-feet-too_comments.html"&gt;God had in mind&lt;/a&gt; a particular creature -- us -- and this is indicated by the enigmatic Scriptural phrase "image of God," a quality that we somehow carry with us. I did not suggest how the human face, or hands and feet, reflect this image, because I'm not sure how exactly that works. It is much easier to say how our posture, unique in the world of creatures, bears witness to our human mission on earth.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;Klinghoffer quotes The Maharal of Prague (Rabbi Judah ben Bezalel Lowe) thusly: &lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;Man stands upright, straight, like a pillar that is upright, which is not the case with any other being, as none of them stand up straight but rather all walk hunched over. And this is an indication of the [exalted] level of man, for man is king over the lower plane of existence, and all serve him....This is called the "image of God."&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;Maybe it's just me but it seems a little hard for an incorporeal being who is everywhere to have posture ... where exactly are his feet and how are they above his head, if he is everywhere? Oh, wait a minute! That "image of God" business is one of those thingies that theists use that sometimes we're supposed to take as metaphors, except when we're supposed to take them literally.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now the good Rabbi sort of had an excuse ... he had no way to know about dinosaurs with upright stances (though no excuse for ignoring birds and, probably, other examples I'm forgetting).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But Klinghoffer will have to make up some bafflegab about how the &lt;i&gt;T. Rex&lt;/i&gt; was always being told by his mother to stand up straight but wouldn't listen.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#ffffff;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14771541-862093180940330055?l=dododreams.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/feeds/862093180940330055/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14771541&amp;postID=862093180940330055' title='12 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/862093180940330055'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/862093180940330055'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/12/huh.html' title='Huh?'/><author><name>John Pieret</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17336244849636477317</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='17665637512838394680'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Sxl0YrnnPpI/AAAAAAAAEN0/TpaBJXgX88o/s72-c/T.+Rex.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>12</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14771541.post-587583445874592131</id><published>2009-12-03T20:07:00.003-05:00</published><updated>2009-12-03T20:14:11.269-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Dungeon Master God</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Sxhg65J1UDI/AAAAAAAAENs/YS4EYQeh3eg/s1600-h/Dungeon+%26+Dragons+120309.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 205px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 320px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5411181517176393778" border="0" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Sxhg65J1UDI/AAAAAAAAENs/YS4EYQeh3eg/s320/Dungeon+%26+Dragons+120309.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;David Klinghoffer has a &lt;a href="http://blog.beliefnet.com/kingdomofpriests/2009/12/richard-dawkins-the-enchantment-of-torah.html"&gt;strange defense&lt;/a&gt; of his anti-scientism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems that religion fulfills for adults the role that Dungeons &amp;amp; Dragons fulfills for 8 year olds, like his son: it provides "enchantment."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Science and reason, you see, suffers from "the dullness, the flatness, the aridity of the evolutionary picture of how the world works," while religion caters to "our intuitive sense that something else, something more, lies behind and somehow all around the façade of ordinary material reality."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He derides Richard Dawkins for using such words as "beautiful," "exciting" and "startling" to describe scientific discovery but that is nothing but question begging. Because Klinghoffer finds the facts of the material world as "flat as a lead pancake" does not mean everyone has to. There is every bit as much "enchantment" in exercising one's mind and discovering how the material world works as there is in pretending to be an elf or a wizard ... or in expecting a larger version of one to show up in the real world. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In any event, it is not an all or nothing choice, as Ken Miller and many other scientists know.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rather amazingly, Klinghoffer admits that the same feeling of "enchantment" that drew him to D&amp;amp;D also drew him to Judaism and says:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;For me, the fantastic dimension of Judaism points to another side of reality that our dry, desiccated secular age hates and denies. It reminds me that this pancake-flat world that Richard Dawkins prefers to imagine is not all there is. At least it's not all there may be. That gives me hope, and that is why I love it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;In short, he hopes against hope that science is wrong so he can go on playing his game of Dungeons &amp;amp; Dragons, Religion Edition, for ever and ever.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#ffffff;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14771541-587583445874592131?l=dododreams.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/feeds/587583445874592131/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14771541&amp;postID=587583445874592131' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/587583445874592131'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/587583445874592131'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/12/dungeon-master-god.html' title='Dungeon Master God'/><author><name>John Pieret</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17336244849636477317</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='17665637512838394680'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Sxhg65J1UDI/AAAAAAAAENs/YS4EYQeh3eg/s72-c/Dungeon+%26+Dragons+120309.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14771541.post-4338239195065826783</id><published>2009-12-02T23:24:00.006-05:00</published><updated>2009-12-03T09:50:44.722-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Philosophical Malpractice</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/SxdHyC2HJsI/AAAAAAAAENk/jfyTezxTzM4/s1600-h/What-me-worry.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 262px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 320px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5410872402391803586" border="0" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/SxdHyC2HJsI/AAAAAAAAENk/jfyTezxTzM4/s320/What-me-worry.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;The &lt;i&gt;Un&lt;/i&gt;discovery Institute has been quick to exploit the fact that the London &lt;i&gt;Times Literary Supplement&lt;/i&gt; has well-known philosopher, Thomas Nagel, nominating Stephen Meyer's book, &lt;i&gt;Signature in the Cell: DNA and the evidence for Intelligent Design&lt;/i&gt; as a Book of the Year.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Philosopher Brian Leiter &lt;a href="http://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2009/12/thomas-nagel-jumps-the-shark.html"&gt;has reacted&lt;/a&gt; with a post that gives Nagel's background and which has many helpful links to why Nagel is so wrong in this case.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;It is sad, but it is also a reason to be angry, since he's not simply making a fool of himself, he's giving ammunition to those who campaign, relentlessly, to undermine biology education in the public schools. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;Maybe philosophers should be made to take out malpractice insurance to cover the cost of correcting the damage he or she does to science and to compensate the innocent victims of their actions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#ffffff;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14771541-4338239195065826783?l=dododreams.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/feeds/4338239195065826783/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14771541&amp;postID=4338239195065826783' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/4338239195065826783'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/4338239195065826783'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/12/philosophical-malpractice.html' title='Philosophical Malpractice'/><author><name>John Pieret</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17336244849636477317</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='17665637512838394680'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/SxdHyC2HJsI/AAAAAAAAENk/jfyTezxTzM4/s72-c/What-me-worry.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14771541.post-6290879534756764362</id><published>2009-12-01T23:50:00.003-05:00</published><updated>2009-12-01T23:59:44.016-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Strutting and Fretting an Hour Upon the Stage</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/SxXyXqH1S5I/AAAAAAAAENc/VuuRyc3bUD4/s1600-h/Out,+out+Brief+Candle+120109.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 180px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 259px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5410497015613574034" border="0" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/SxXyXqH1S5I/AAAAAAAAENc/VuuRyc3bUD4/s320/Out,+out+Brief+Candle+120109.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;PZ Megahertz has &lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2009/12/day-age_creationism_is_almost.php"&gt;already deconstructed&lt;/a&gt; Andrew Parker's &lt;a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/shortstack/2009/11/probing_genesis_for_scientific.html"&gt;silly attempt&lt;/a&gt; at &lt;i&gt;The Washington Post&lt;/i&gt; to match up the Genesis account of creation with present-day scientific knowledge. To me, such attempts don't reveal anything about the "almost scary" correlation between Bronze Age texts and what science has revealed; they are more on the order of the &lt;a href="http://www.school-for-champions.com/history/lincolnjfk.htm"&gt;supposedly amazing similarities&lt;/a&gt; between the assassinations of Abraham Lincoln and John Kennedy. They are artifacts of the evolved trait of human beings for pattern recognition. Even when no real pattern exists, we will move heaven, Earth and our imaginations to find them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's a more sophisticated (but no more necessarily correct) &lt;a href="http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/georgetown/2009/11/darwin_god_and_the_drama_of_life.html"&gt;approach to reconciling&lt;/a&gt; revelation and science, also at &lt;i&gt;The Washington Post&lt;/i&gt;, by theologian John F. Haught, one of the witnesses for the good guys in the &lt;i&gt;Kitzmiller&lt;/i&gt; case: &lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;The most important issue in the current debate about evolution and faith is not whether design points to deity but whether the drama of life is the carrier of a meaning. According to rigid design standards, evolution appears to have staggered drunkenly down multiple pathways, leading nowhere. But viewed dramatically, the apparent absence of perfect order at any present moment is an opening to the future, a signal that the story of life is not yet over.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To make sense of the drama of life, therefore, we shall have to wait -- a disposition essential to any mature religious faith. For if evolution has an eternally sanctioned "point," we should expect that it would presently be hidden in the narrative depths of life rather than manifested in the always imperfect instances of design that float along on life's surface. Dramatic stories, unlike complex living systems or elaborately structured molecular states, have the potential to carry a truly deep significance. But it is the nature of stories that they have comic twists and tragic turns, and that they take time to unfold. ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;According to a biblically inspired theology of nature, beneath life's diversity, descent, and flawed design, stirs an evolutionary drama that has been aroused, though not coercively driven, by a God of infinite love. The cosmos is called continually into being by a Creator who wills, but does not force, truly interesting outcomes to emerge in surprising new ways. God, as scripture suggests, is the one who "makes all things new." The drama of life and its evolution is a response to this invitation. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;In other words, we cannot expect to understand a transcendent God or His/Her/Its plan but the Bible tells us that God intends us to work it out as if we are players on a stage without a script.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Couldn't we at least have a reasonably competent stage manager though?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#ffffff;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14771541-6290879534756764362?l=dododreams.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/feeds/6290879534756764362/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14771541&amp;postID=6290879534756764362' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/6290879534756764362'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/6290879534756764362'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/12/strutting-and-fretting-hour-upon-stage.html' title='Strutting and Fretting an Hour Upon the Stage'/><author><name>John Pieret</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17336244849636477317</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='17665637512838394680'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/SxXyXqH1S5I/AAAAAAAAENc/VuuRyc3bUD4/s72-c/Out,+out+Brief+Candle+120109.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14771541.post-792264786597801386</id><published>2009-11-30T21:57:00.002-05:00</published><updated>2009-11-30T22:02:13.169-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Guessing Game</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/SxSGMTfTtII/AAAAAAAAENU/uyhXNxsWKbk/s1600/Guessing+Game+113009.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 224px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 320px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5410096598326948994" border="0" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/SxSGMTfTtII/AAAAAAAAENU/uyhXNxsWKbk/s320/Guessing+Game+113009.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Darrel Falk is at the Biologos Foundation's blog, &lt;i&gt;Science and the Sacred&lt;/i&gt;, with &lt;a href="http://blog.beliefnet.com/scienceandthesacred/2009/11/one-hundred-and-fifty-yearsand-counting.html"&gt;an article&lt;/a&gt; that tries to explain how otherwise intelligent and accomplished people in the sciences can accept young-Earth creationism. How good the "explanation" is I will leave to the reader.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What interested me was his description of conversations he had with three YECs with Ph.D.s in science or related fields who Falk refused to name. Here are his descriptions of the three:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;Person A ... obtained his Ph.D. in paleontology at the nation's most prestigious university with one of its most prestigious scholars.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Person B ... is well-trained in the field of population genetics and served as a professor in plant genetics at a university which has a long tradition of being the world leader in this discipline. He is also the inventor of a very important biotechnology tool.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Person C ... has a Ph.D, in the history of science from another of the world's best universities. ... [H]e eventually told us he would step away from his position in a "second," if he became convinced that is what God wanted of him [no other description of his "position" is given].&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;I think it is clear that Person A is &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurt_Wise"&gt;Kurt Wise&lt;/a&gt;, who studied at Harvard under Stephen Jay Gould.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Person C has certain similarities to &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_C._Meyer"&gt;Stephen Meyer&lt;/a&gt;, who has a Ph.D. in the history and philosophy of science from Cambridge, and whose "position" as director of the Center for Science and Culture at the Discovery Institute would be, even if indirectly described, a dead giveaway. On the other hand, I have never heard that he is a YEC.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Person B I don't know but, annoyingly, I remember recently seeing a creationist described with similar credentials.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anyway, if anyone has any further or alternative guesses, that's what the comment section is for.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#ffffff;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14771541-792264786597801386?l=dododreams.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/feeds/792264786597801386/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14771541&amp;postID=792264786597801386' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/792264786597801386'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/792264786597801386'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/11/guessing-game.html' title='Guessing Game'/><author><name>John Pieret</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17336244849636477317</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='17665637512838394680'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/SxSGMTfTtII/AAAAAAAAENU/uyhXNxsWKbk/s72-c/Guessing+Game+113009.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14771541.post-1269934682178800140</id><published>2009-11-29T19:58:00.003-05:00</published><updated>2009-11-30T19:14:41.163-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Motorizing the Ol' Goal Posts</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/SxMY6xV7tbI/AAAAAAAAENM/kOXw55zHxrQ/s1600/Moving+Goal+posts+112909.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 225px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 320px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5409694975358907826" border="0" alt="" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/SxMY6xV7tbI/AAAAAAAAENM/kOXw55zHxrQ/s320/Moving+Goal+posts+112909.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;It seems that Australians ... or at least a certain Matthew MacDonald among them ... are familiar with &lt;a href="http://www.kairos.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&amp;amp;view=article&amp;amp;id=1962:marriage-and-same-sex-unions&amp;amp;catid=22:local-news&amp;amp;Itemid=31"&gt;the old tradition&lt;/a&gt; of moving the goalposts:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;Not all discrimination is unjust and not all relationships are the same. Parents love their children – including their adult ones – but the law will not allow them to marry. Would we allow siblings who loved each other to marry – of course not! We discriminate and make distinctions between different kinds of relationships and with good reason. Only the relationship of a man and a woman to the exclusion of all others for life can be a marriage.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Women and men are equal in dignity but we are not the same. We are a bit like hydrogen and oxygen – though both are gasses, they are not the same. When mixed they create water. So, too, only the love of a man and a woman, when intimately joined, have the possibility of creating something new – a child. Mixing hydrogen and hydrogen creates nothing – all you have is hydrogen. Only the joining of a man and a woman creates a 'marriage'. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;So, it is only the &lt;i&gt;potential&lt;/i&gt; to have children that somehow makes a marriage a "marriage." Not quite: &lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;It does not follow that because some couples, either because of age or medical infertility, cannot have children they are the same as a homosexual couple. Their relationship – being between a man and a woman – has by nature the possibility of procreation even if that possibility is never realised. A relationship between two men or two women is of its nature simply not the same as the relationship between a man and a woman and cannot bring forth children.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;Let's review &lt;a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/possibility"&gt;the definition&lt;/a&gt; of "possibility": 1: the condition or fact of being possible; ... 3: something that is possible; 4: potential or prospective value. Let's even go on to &lt;a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/potential"&gt;the definition&lt;/a&gt; of "potential": 1 a: something that can develop or become actual; b: &lt;a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/promise"&gt;promise 2&lt;/a&gt;: reason to expect something; especially: ground for expectation of success, improvement, or excellence.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, "possibility" does not mean "actually being possible" and "potential" doesn't mean "something that can develop or become actual" or a "reason to expect success." The words mean, apparently, in Mr. MacDonald's private definitions, some general notion that men and women can, together, make babies, regardless of the actual potential of the man and woman who are getting married. Note the circularity: a marriage can only be between men and women because they are men and women, irrespective of whether they can produce babies. But Mr. MacDonald is not done yet: &lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;Social science has given ample evidence to support what common sense would tell us – that a child has the greatest possibility of growing to be a healthy and well rounded contributor to the community when raised with the love of both father and mother. In a same-sex household, children will always be unjustly deprived of the chance to be nurtured in the unique relationship which exists genetically and spiritually with at least one of their biological parents.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It does not follow that because some parents, usually at enormous personal cost, do an heroic job of raising children on their own that it would not have been better for both the child and the solo parent had they had the benefit of the love and support of the other parent. The sad reality of a parent's death or a marriage breakdown is no justification for deliberately depriving a child of that important and irreplaceable relationship.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;But wait a minute, Mr. MacDonald is claiming that: &lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;Same-sex relationships are not the same as the union of a man and a woman. They can never be marriages. This is an attempt at social engineering that will have disastrous consequences. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;Shouldn't we be taking the children away from single parents then and placing them in two parent households? If being raised by two daddies or two mommies is such a disaster, then surely being raised by only one is twice as damaging to children? No doubt, Mr. MacDonald will say the cases are different because ... um ... they are simply &lt;i&gt;different&lt;/i&gt; as he did before.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And they wonder why certain atheists (and others) make mockery of their beliefs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#ffffff;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14771541-1269934682178800140?l=dododreams.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/feeds/1269934682178800140/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14771541&amp;postID=1269934682178800140' title='6 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/1269934682178800140'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/1269934682178800140'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/11/motorizing-ol-goal-posts.html' title='Motorizing the Ol&apos; Goal Posts'/><author><name>John Pieret</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17336244849636477317</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='17665637512838394680'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/SxMY6xV7tbI/AAAAAAAAENM/kOXw55zHxrQ/s72-c/Moving+Goal+posts+112909.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>6</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14771541.post-2202978797451293148</id><published>2009-11-28T23:22:00.004-05:00</published><updated>2009-11-28T23:32:32.155-05:00</updated><title type='text'>On Orthodoxy In Science</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="color:#ffffff;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/SxH3H6eTf9I/AAAAAAAAENE/Q-d4aRVw0A8/s1600/Burning+at+the+stake+112909.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 210px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 320px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5409376342776184786" border="0" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/SxH3H6eTf9I/AAAAAAAAENE/Q-d4aRVw0A8/s320/Burning+at+the+stake+112909.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &lt;div align="justify"&gt;A thought:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;The ranks of the Darwinians, it should be noted, underwent a series of changes during the 1860s as 'Darwinism' had to be redefined and purged of any unwanted metaphysical baggage, such as Haeckel's materialistic monism. Individuals who had originally been a part of the Darwinian crew were dropped in the late 1860s for their sins—Alfred Russel Wallace for his spiritualism, and Asa Gray for his attempt to preserve a concept of design in evolution. Later, in the late 1870s, Samuel Butler's critique of natural selection led to his banishment. Wallace, Gray and Butler all were, or became, involved in popularizing evolution, and their works swelled the ranks of the non-Darwinian popularizers. But even among those who remained Darwinians there could be disagreement on aspects of evolutionary theory. Huxley, for example, was never enthusiastic about Darwin's theory of natural selection. He preferred to think of saltations, or mutational jumps, as the main evolutionary mechanism. Huxley's uncertainty about natural selection affected how he popularized evolution. In The crayfish: an introduction to the study of biology (1880), Huxley's contribution to the International Scientific Series, he pushed his readers to accept evolution but never discussed the role of natural selection. Huxley's attraction to Darwin's theory of evolution may have had more to do with his crusade to instil the principles of naturalism into British science. However, Huxley's attitude towards natural selection did not prevent him from accepting Darwin's conception of evolution as non-progressive. He believed that degeneration was part of the evolutionary process.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-Bernard Lightman, "&lt;a href="http://rsnr.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/early/2009/08/24/rsnr.2009.0007.abstract"&gt;Darwin and the popularization of evolution&lt;/a&gt;," Notes &amp;amp; Records of the Royal Society&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;______________________________________&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Via Michael Barton at &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://thedispersalofdarwin.wordpress.com/2009/11/28/article-darwin-and-the-popularization-of-evolution-by-bernard-lightman/"&gt;The Dispersal of Darwin&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;span style="color:#ffffff;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14771541-2202978797451293148?l=dododreams.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/feeds/2202978797451293148/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14771541&amp;postID=2202978797451293148' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/2202978797451293148'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/2202978797451293148'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/11/on-orthodoxy-in-science.html' title='On Orthodoxy In Science'/><author><name>John Pieret</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17336244849636477317</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='17665637512838394680'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/SxH3H6eTf9I/AAAAAAAAENE/Q-d4aRVw0A8/s72-c/Burning+at+the+stake+112909.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14771541.post-6930064876481841458</id><published>2009-11-27T04:17:00.003-05:00</published><updated>2009-11-27T04:22:01.411-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Beware!</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Sw-ZUmt8gJI/AAAAAAAAEM8/x6eNbzBemxw/s1600/Palin+Satan.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 173px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 264px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5408710256764944530" border="0" alt="" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Sw-ZUmt8gJI/AAAAAAAAEM8/x6eNbzBemxw/s320/Palin+Satan.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Remember that YouTuber who claimed there is Biblical evidence that Barack Obama is the Antichrist? If not, I'll wait while &lt;a href="http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/08/dangers-of-dictionaries.html"&gt;you review&lt;/a&gt; ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Professor James McGrath, who previously showed that, in fact, the Bible compares President Obama favorably with Jesus, &lt;a href="http://exploringourmatrix.blogspot.com/2009/11/palin-prophecies.html"&gt;has now uncovered&lt;/a&gt; clear scriptural evidence that Sarah Palin is actually Satan (okay, coals to Newcastle, but still ...)!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Meanwhile, Brian Leiter points &lt;a href="http://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/2009/11/there-is-no-bottom-to-dumb.html"&gt;to evidence&lt;/a&gt; that Palin/Satan can turn people into mindless zombies ... or at least make mindless zombies show up at Borders.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Excuse me while I now attempt to recover from L-tryptophan poisoning.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#ffffff;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14771541-6930064876481841458?l=dododreams.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/feeds/6930064876481841458/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14771541&amp;postID=6930064876481841458' title='7 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/6930064876481841458'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/6930064876481841458'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/11/beware.html' title='Beware!'/><author><name>John Pieret</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17336244849636477317</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='17665637512838394680'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Sw-ZUmt8gJI/AAAAAAAAEM8/x6eNbzBemxw/s72-c/Palin+Satan.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>7</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14771541.post-4884024466819929034</id><published>2009-11-25T16:29:00.005-05:00</published><updated>2009-11-25T20:35:49.915-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Dilemmas of the Two-Faced</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://bp0.blogger.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Rdz7DxHXBQI/AAAAAAAAAZU/ZX-8_bBDNS4/s1600-h/Janus.5.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 242px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 254px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5034174525635757314" border="0" alt="" src="http://bp0.blogger.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Rdz7DxHXBQI/AAAAAAAAAZU/ZX-8_bBDNS4/s320/Janus.5.JPG" width="256" height="272" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Here is more from the &lt;a href="http://www.evolutionnews.org/2009/11/discrimination_against_intelli.html"&gt;Ministry of Misinformation&lt;/a&gt; on the American Freedom Aliance's suit against the California Science Center because of its cancellation of the AFA's screening of the Dishonesty Institute's propaganda film, &lt;i&gt;Darwin's Dilemma&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As I suspected, the CSC (at least allegedly) relied on the provision of their agreement that all promotional materials had to be submitted to CSC for review and approval prior to printing or broadcast as grounds for canceling the event. The particular &lt;a href="http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/intelligent-design-film-to-premiere-at-smithsonian-institution-affiliated-science-center-63531562.html"&gt;press release&lt;/a&gt; supposedly involved, however, was clearly issued by the Discovery Institute, not the AFA.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If that is the sole basis for the cancellation, the CSC can be in some trouble and should probably settle. An argument could possibly be made that the DI is so thick with the AFA in this case that it is not credible that it was acting other than on the AFA's behalf, and &lt;i&gt;vice versa&lt;/i&gt;, but I think that would be a hard row to hoe. On the other hand, I would not be at all surprised if the DI and AFA looked at the agreement and decided that the DI should handle the sleazy publicity ... something the DI has much practice at in any event.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But just to cap off the evidence of the utter disingenuousness of these people, remember how the AFA &lt;a href="http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/11/suing-science.html"&gt;characterized&lt;/a&gt; the other film they were supposed to show, &lt;i&gt;We Are Born of the Stars&lt;/i&gt;, as a "pro-evolution film" meant to "provide balance" against the pro-ID side? That's not exactly how it was described &lt;a href="http://www.americanfreedomalliance.org/microsite/darwindebates/oct25.htm"&gt;at the AFA's site&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;We Are Born of Stars - Premiere!&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This extraordinary IMAX film (3D re-mastered) provides a view of the true structure of DNA never before witnessed in a wide screen format. Once one views DNA in motion, with the full scope, intricacy and supercoiling magnificence of this essential building block of life, the issue of our origins takes on an even deeper mystery and wonder.&lt;/blockquote&gt;In other words, the AFA, and the DI drones in attendance, fully intended to use &lt;i&gt;We Are Born of the Stars&lt;/i&gt; not as pro-evolution balance but, instead, as a pro-ID "argument" of the "&lt;em&gt;gee, that's so complex I can't understand it, therefore Goddidit&lt;/em&gt;" variety.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Is there something about creationism that impels the believer to misrepresent &lt;i&gt;everything&lt;/i&gt;?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#ffffff;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14771541-4884024466819929034?l=dododreams.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/feeds/4884024466819929034/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14771541&amp;postID=4884024466819929034' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/4884024466819929034'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/4884024466819929034'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/11/dilemmas-of-two-faced.html' title='Dilemmas of the Two-Faced'/><author><name>John Pieret</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17336244849636477317</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='17665637512838394680'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp0.blogger.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Rdz7DxHXBQI/AAAAAAAAAZU/ZX-8_bBDNS4/s72-c/Janus.5.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14771541.post-716711405421815576</id><published>2009-11-24T21:35:00.002-05:00</published><updated>2009-11-24T21:51:47.928-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Suing Science</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://bp2.blogger.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Rwj-KuOy64I/AAAAAAAABFQ/hNleF-SwbI4/s1600-h/Lawyer+and+Client.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; FLOAT: right; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5118620436668803970" border="0" alt="" src="http://bp2.blogger.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Rwj-KuOy64I/AAAAAAAABFQ/hNleF-SwbI4/s320/Lawyer+and+Client.JPG" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;You may remember the &lt;i&gt;Un&lt;/i&gt;discovery Institute's &lt;a href="http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/10/here-we-go-again.html"&gt;attempt to trade on&lt;/a&gt; the name of the Smithsonian Institute (once again) by screening its propaganda piece, &lt;i&gt;Darwin's Dilemma&lt;/i&gt;, at the California Science Center, which has the nifty sounding position as a "Smithsonian Institution Affiliated Science Center" that is, in fact, less exalted than it sounds. Then the Science Center &lt;a href="http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/10/taking-in-viewpoint.html"&gt;canceled&lt;/a&gt;. Now the group that sponsored the DI's dogma and pony show, the American Freedom Alliance, &lt;a href="http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/1000212274.html"&gt;has announced&lt;/a&gt; (in no coincidence at all, at the Christian News Wire) that it is suing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The lawsuit is believed to be the first since the 2005 case of Kitzmiller v. Dover to consider the public's right to learn about Intelligent Design. While that case focused on whether a public school violated the First Amendment "No Establishment Clause" by instructing students about the theory, AFA's lawsuit alleges that the museum violated its First Amendment rights by caving in to demands within the scientific and academic communities to deny Intelligent Design a public forum for discussion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"The Center is a public institution and our event was planned as a debate with both sides of the controversy represented," said Avi Davis, AFA's president. "It is Orwellian when a public institution tries to suppress particular ideas it deems unsavory. It can be likened to a public library removing certain books from its shelves because the librarian disagrees with the viewpoints expressed in them."&lt;/blockquote&gt;According to the AFA's announcement:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The museum was selected for the event because one of the two films scheduled to be shown required a 3D IMAX projection system. The pro-evolution film, "We Are Born of the Stars," was meant to provide balance to a discussion about life's origin.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Strangely, there was no mention of this other film in the &lt;a href="http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/intelligent-design-film-to-premiere-at-smithsonian-institution-affiliated-science-center-63531562.html"&gt;original PR release&lt;/a&gt; by the DI. Does anyone else smell a rat?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All I can &lt;a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090300/maindetails"&gt;find out about&lt;/a&gt; &lt;i&gt;We Are Born of the Stars&lt;/i&gt; is that it is a 1985 Japanese animated film that is all of 11 minutes long. &lt;i&gt;Darwin's Dilemma&lt;/i&gt;, on the other hand, is &lt;a href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1538469/"&gt;71 minutes long&lt;/a&gt;. In addition, according to the &lt;em&gt;Dishonesty&lt;/em&gt; Institute's press release, there was also to be a "post-film discussion featuring Darwin skeptic Dr. David Berlinski, author of &lt;em&gt;The Devil's Delusion: Atheism and its Scientific Pretensions&lt;/em&gt;, and leading intelligent design scientist Dr. Jonathan Wells, biologist and author of &lt;em&gt;Icons of Evolution&lt;/em&gt;." The only other "balance" mentioned is that real scientists, Simon Conway Morris and James Valentine, appear in Darwin's Dilemma but, unsurprisingly, under the same sort of &lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/laelaps/2009/09/cambrian_confusion_some_answer.php"&gt;cloud of suspicion&lt;/a&gt; that always accompanies appearances by scientists in creationist endeavors.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So there was to be hours of creationist bafflegab, including live presentations, with the other side of the "controversy" represented solely by an 11 minute, 20&lt;sup&gt;+&lt;/sup&gt; year old, animated film. That's what passes for a balanced "debate" in the opinion of creationists.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But to see how this lawsuit is going to go, there is this:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"Certain museum officials and their cronies in academia and throughout the scientific community are part of a subtle but effective movement to marginalize a scientific theory that challenges their world view," said AFA's attorney, William J. Becker, Jr. ...&lt;/blockquote&gt;Whew! That's a beauty! An accusation of "cronyism" and the elevation of ID to the status of a scientific theory, while simultaneously ID opponents are reduced to "world view" peddlers, all in one sentence!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's utter bollocks ... but as a fellow lawyer, I have to admire the technique displayed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#ffffff;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14771541-716711405421815576?l=dododreams.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/feeds/716711405421815576/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14771541&amp;postID=716711405421815576' title='8 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/716711405421815576'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/716711405421815576'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/11/suing-science.html' title='Suing Science'/><author><name>John Pieret</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17336244849636477317</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='17665637512838394680'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp2.blogger.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Rwj-KuOy64I/AAAAAAAABFQ/hNleF-SwbI4/s72-c/Lawyer+and+Client.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>8</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14771541.post-7817345240685300958</id><published>2009-11-24T00:01:00.002-05:00</published><updated>2009-12-01T00:05:13.923-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Originality</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;span style="color:#ffffff;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://bp1.blogger.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/RsBeGo1NcwI/AAAAAAAAA8s/E_UJy-03iD4/s1600-h/Darwin.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; FLOAT: right; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5098178246316225282" border="0" alt="" src="http://bp1.blogger.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/RsBeGo1NcwI/AAAAAAAAA8s/E_UJy-03iD4/s320/Darwin.JPG" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;A thought (on a particular anniversary):&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;ON THE ORIGIN OF SPECIES was published in London on 24 November 1859, while Darwin was taking the water-cure at Ilkley. It was a very ordinary-looking volume bound in sturdy green cloth, 502 pages long, and somewhat expensively priced at fourteen shillings, not nearly as gaily decked out as Murray's red-and-gilt version of Darwin's earlier Journal of Researches and nothing like the pocket-sized duodecimo Darwin had at first proposed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The author's serious intent was obvious. There were no eye-catching natural history illustrations, no pedigree fatstock emblazoned in gilt on the cover, not even a frontispiece of an evocative prehistoric scene as there might be today in a book about evolution. For a volume that described the teeming fecundity of life on earth, the pages were curiously devoid of living beings. But it was a fair specimen of nineteenth-century typography, well printed on decent paper, and serviceably bound. The book's unassuming demeanour suited its author perfectly. "I am infinitely pleased &amp;amp; proud at the appearance of my child," Darwin told Murray when his advance copy arrived in Yorkshire. "I am so glad that you were so good as to undertake the publication of my book."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Unassuming or no, this book transformed his life. Of course, he expected controversy, although even in his gloomiest moments he could not have begun to imagine the convulsions of public opinion, praise, and denigration that would follow. From the start, he was prepared to go to any lengths to give his theory the best support that he could provide. But there was more than this. That November he chose the kind of man he wanted to be -- he chose to dedicate himself to his book, to placing his views as fully as he could before audiences that he as yet hardly envisaged, prepared to influence and urge to a degree that would become second nature to him, displaying a deepening of purpose and strength of character that he rarely acknowledged even in his most private correspondence and yet that marked the rest of his days. His active intervention in the post-publication process was hidden but intense. Paradoxically, the intimate process of writing personal letters, one individual speaking to another, became an integral part of his public voice, an activity that could be just as shrewd and tactical --even predatory-- as any polemic dreamed up by Huxley. Without moving out of his home, Darwin came to dominate through letters. Promoting the finished book became the directing theme of the life to come as completely as his earlier years had been governed by constructing the theory.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- Janet Browne, &lt;i&gt;Charles Darwin: A Biography, Vol. 2 - &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Charles-Darwin-Biography-Power-Place/dp/0691114390/"&gt;The Power of Place&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14771541-7817345240685300958?l=dododreams.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/feeds/7817345240685300958/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14771541&amp;postID=7817345240685300958' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/7817345240685300958'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/7817345240685300958'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/11/originality.html' title='Originality'/><author><name>John Pieret</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17336244849636477317</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='17665637512838394680'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp1.blogger.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/RsBeGo1NcwI/AAAAAAAAA8s/E_UJy-03iD4/s72-c/Darwin.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14771541.post-757740488443452808</id><published>2009-11-23T15:56:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2009-11-23T16:01:58.188-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Ewwww!</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Swr3Qg5zR_I/AAAAAAAAEMc/3Dzz_JIIxHo/s1600/Galileo+112309.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 240px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 320px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5407406165694040050" border="0" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Swr3Qg5zR_I/AAAAAAAAEMc/3Dzz_JIIxHo/s320/Galileo+112309.JPG" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;PZ Megahertz &lt;a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/europe/11/23/galileo.fingers/"&gt;had better watch out&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;Two fingers cut from the hand of Italian astronomer Galileo nearly 300 years ago have been rediscovered more than a century after they were last seen, an Italian museum director said Monday.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;They were purchased recently at an auction by a person who brought them to the Museum of the History of Science in Florence, suspecting what they were, museum director Paolo Galluzzi said.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Three fingers were cut from Galileo's hand in March 1737, when his body was moved from a temporary monument to its final resting place in Florence, Italy. The last tooth remaining in his lower jaw was also taken, Galluzzi said. ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Removing body parts from the corpse was an echo of a practice common with saints, whose digits, tongues and organs were revered by Catholics as relics with sacred powers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is an irony in Galileo's having been subjected to the same treatment, since he was persecuted by the Catholic Church for advocating the theory that the earth circles the sun, rather than the other way around. The Inquisition forced him to recant, and jailed him in 1634.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The people who cut off his fingers essentially considered him a secular saint, Galluzzi said, noting the fingers that were removed were the ones he would have used to hold a pen.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;It can get worse, however. Given his popularity, PZ could get the &lt;a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2155745/?nav=tap3"&gt;same treatment Jesus did&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#ffffff;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14771541-757740488443452808?l=dododreams.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/feeds/757740488443452808/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14771541&amp;postID=757740488443452808' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/757740488443452808'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/757740488443452808'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/11/ewwww.html' title='Ewwww!'/><author><name>John Pieret</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17336244849636477317</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='17665637512838394680'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Swr3Qg5zR_I/AAAAAAAAEMc/3Dzz_JIIxHo/s72-c/Galileo+112309.JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14771541.post-8454895495082262660</id><published>2009-11-22T21:13:00.002-05:00</published><updated>2009-11-22T21:17:06.778-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Scientific Taxonomy</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Swnv1bGBBkI/AAAAAAAAEMU/mTpeUbtR56o/s1600/Specimens+112209.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 210px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 318px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5407116528720086594" border="0" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Swnv1bGBBkI/AAAAAAAAEMU/mTpeUbtR56o/s320/Specimens+112209.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;A thought:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;Creationism may be a strict, pure, and literal belief in the Genesis account, or it may be a more general belief that God created the universe, without any adherence to the specifics of the Genesis account. For example, many people believe that evolution is the mechanism through which God created the world and humanity. These are often referred to as "theistic evolutionists," and they are held in contempt as "sellouts" by the more vocal creationists who hold to a literal interpretation of Genesis. A visit to the Answers in Genesis &lt;a href="http://www.blogger.com/www.answersingenesis.org"&gt;Web site&lt;/a&gt; will reveal almost as much verbal abuse hurled at "theistic evolutionists" as against "evolutionists."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For most people, creationism is a belief system -- there is no attempt or need to evaluate carefully the scientific evidence for or against creation. They simply believe. Arguments supporting evolution are easily dismissed as rhetorical devices favoring a morally dangerous substitute belief system, while arguments against evolution are accepted as supportive of their personal beliefs. Most creationists resemble the American public as a whole, in that they are not well educated in the sciences and so are unable to judge between creation-science arguments and the rebuttals offered by scientists. I would argue that this also extends to professionals who have earned graduate degrees. In eight years of teaching in medical school, I was surprised by the number of medical students who were not trained in the philosophical or even practical form of science, but rather in the assimilation and management of facts. Though many physicians consider themselves scientists (and indeed many are), there is broad confusion between training that involves learning and skillfully using large amounts of scientifically derived information in contrast to that which involves the actual process of generating such information.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- J Michael Plavcan, "The Invisible Bible: The Logic of Creation Science," &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Scientists-Confront-Creationism-Intelligent-Design/dp/0393330737/"&gt;Scientists Confront Creationism&lt;/a&gt;: Intelligent Design and Beyond&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14771541-8454895495082262660?l=dododreams.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/feeds/8454895495082262660/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14771541&amp;postID=8454895495082262660' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/8454895495082262660'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/8454895495082262660'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/11/thought-creationism-may-be-strict-pure.html' title='Scientific Taxonomy'/><author><name>John Pieret</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17336244849636477317</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='17665637512838394680'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Swnv1bGBBkI/AAAAAAAAEMU/mTpeUbtR56o/s72-c/Specimens+112209.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14771541.post-7195672578317448072</id><published>2009-11-21T11:27:00.004-05:00</published><updated>2009-11-21T11:50:12.587-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Pants On Fire!</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://bp2.blogger.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/RdC1_hT6RfI/AAAAAAAAAWQ/6GAwjZYdpxs/s1600-h/Pants+on+Fire.2..JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; FLOAT: right; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5030720886651110898" border="0" alt="" src="http://bp2.blogger.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/RdC1_hT6RfI/AAAAAAAAAWQ/6GAwjZYdpxs/s400/Pants+on+Fire.2..JPG" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Here is &lt;a href="http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/10/out-among-telephone-sanitizers.html"&gt;yet&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/10/two-faces-of-di.html"&gt;another&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/11/dishonesty-institute.html"&gt;example&lt;/a&gt; of why we call it the &lt;i&gt;Dishonesty&lt;/i&gt; Institute: Stephen Meyer is at Focus on the Family's CitizenLink website &lt;a href="http://www.citizenlink.org/content/A000011512.cfm"&gt;peddling the usual bafflegab&lt;/a&gt; but he can't help but tell this &lt;i&gt;lie&lt;/i&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I think the scientific community is increasingly becoming more open to the evidence and the case for intelligent design. I was pleasantly surprised when my book received endorsements from a number of prominent scientists that had not yet publicly weighed in on intelligent design, such as Dr. Phillip Skell, a member of the National Academies of Science, and Dr. Norman Nevin, a prominent British geneticist. &lt;/blockquote&gt;What crap!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.arn.org/announce/announce0304no37.htm"&gt;Here is&lt;/a&gt; a "recommendation" for Guillermo Gonzalez' and Jay Richards' &lt;i&gt;The Privileged Planet: How Our Place in the Cosmos is Designed for Discovery&lt;/i&gt;, which was published back in 2004:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"In this fascinating and highly original book, Guillermo Gonzalez and Jay Richards advance a persuasive argument, and marshal a wealth of diverse scientific evidence to justify that argument. In the process, they effectively challenge several popular assumptions, not only about the nature and history of science, but also about the nature and origin of the cosmos. The Privileged Planet will be impossible to ignore. It is likely to change the way we view both the scientific enterprise and the world around us. I recommend it highly."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;- Philip Skell, Evan Pugh Professor Emeritus of Physics, Pennsylvania State University, Member, National Academy of Sciences. &lt;/blockquote&gt;As far as Norman Nevin, there was &lt;a href="http://www.truthinscience.org.uk/site/content/view/217/63/"&gt;this report&lt;/a&gt; in January of 2007:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;[T]welve senior academics have written to the Prime Minister and Education Secretary in support of Truth in Science.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The group was led by Norman Nevin OBE, Professor Emeritus of Medical Genetics, Queen's University of Belfast and included Antony Flew, former Professor of Philosophy at Reading University and a distinguished supporter of humanism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"We write to applaud the Truth in Science initiative," the letter said. Empirical science has to recognise "severe limitations concerning origins" and Darwinism is not necessarily "the best scientific model to fit the data that we observe".&lt;/blockquote&gt;So who is "Truth in Science"? Well, for one thing, they are &lt;a href="http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2006/09/outage.html"&gt;a favorite&lt;/a&gt; of Meyer's Discovery Institute (and &lt;a href="http://www.truthinscience.org.uk/site/component/option,com_weblinks/catid,17/Itemid,23/"&gt;vice versa&lt;/a&gt;). And no wonder, here is a statement from its &lt;a href="http://www.truthinscience.org.uk/site/"&gt;home page&lt;/a&gt; that could come right out of the DI's playbook:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;We consider that it is time for students to be permitted to adopt a more critical approach to Darwinism in science lessons. They should be exposed to the fact that there is a modern controversy over Darwin's theory of evolution and the neo-Darwinian synthesis, and that this has considerable social, spiritual, moral and ethical implications. Truth in Science promotes the critical examination of Darwinism in schools, as an important component of science education.&lt;/blockquote&gt;And, by the by, &lt;a href="http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/content/news_syndication/article_060925roberts.shtml"&gt;it is&lt;/a&gt; a young-Earth creationist organization ... you know, the thing that ID is &lt;a href="http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/08/pros-from-dover.html"&gt;definitely &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. Truth In Science bears the same relationship to "truth" as the DI has to "discovery" ... and neither would recognize it if it spit in their face.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To pretend that these are "scientists that had not yet publicly weighed in on intelligent design" is an unmitigated, bald-faced, &lt;i&gt;lie&lt;/i&gt;. There is no other word for it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That Meyer lies to his own co-religionists tells us all we need to know about his wish to lecture everyone else on "morality."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#ffffff;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14771541-7195672578317448072?l=dododreams.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/feeds/7195672578317448072/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14771541&amp;postID=7195672578317448072' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/7195672578317448072'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/7195672578317448072'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/11/pants-on-fire.html' title='Pants On Fire!'/><author><name>John Pieret</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17336244849636477317</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='17665637512838394680'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp2.blogger.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/RdC1_hT6RfI/AAAAAAAAAWQ/6GAwjZYdpxs/s72-c/Pants+on+Fire.2..JPG' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14771541.post-3588612984515508961</id><published>2009-11-20T00:01:00.003-05:00</published><updated>2009-12-03T20:46:27.266-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Ken Miller's Ankles Are In Danger</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://bp2.blogger.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Rb__zaE89KI/AAAAAAAAAQ4/4ixtCM2N0uY/s1600-h/Dog+Bites.JPG"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; FLOAT: right; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5026016967807268002" border="0" alt="" src="http://bp2.blogger.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Rb__zaE89KI/AAAAAAAAAQ4/4ixtCM2N0uY/s320/Dog+Bites.JPG" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Oh, my goodness!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Discovery Institute's attack chihuahua, Casey Luskin, is actually &lt;a href="http://www.evolutionnews.org/2009/11/confusing_evidence_for_common.html"&gt;taking a page&lt;/a&gt; out of Answers in Genesis' (and about every other young-Earth creationist organization's) book. It is the ol' "&lt;a href="http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/02/err-presumptive.html"&gt;we are using the same evidence but just interpret it from different starting points&lt;/a&gt;" ploy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In responding to what Luskin &lt;i&gt;characterizes&lt;/i&gt; as Ken Miller's argument that evidence for common descent refutes Michael Behe's "irreducible complexity" claims, Luskin says:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;[A] piece of evidence Dr. [Kenneth] Miller commonly cites as demonstrating human/chimp common ancestry is the fusion of chromosome 2 in humans, which he argues has a structure similar to what one would expect if chimp chromosomes 2a and 2b were fused together, end to end. Without belaboring the details (which are covered elsewhere), the evidence for human chromosomal fusion simply indicates that our ancestors once had 48 chromosomes. But it tells us nothing definitive about whether our lineage leads back to a common ancestor shared with with apes. Human chromosomal fusion merely shows that at some point within our human lineage, two chromosomes became fused. That's it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If we step outside the Darwinian box, then the following scenario becomes possible: (1) The human lineage arose separately from that of apes with 48 chromosmes, (2) a chromosomal-fusion event occurred, and (3) the trait spread throughout the human population. In such a scenario, the evidence would appear precisely as we find it, without any common ancestry between humans and apes. The two diagrams at right show two models for explaining the evidence for human chromosomal fusion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At most, the fusion evidence confirms something we already knew: humans and apes share a similar genetic structure. But this might have been predicted by morphological studies without considering evolution. Again, common design can also account for such functional genetic similarities, and the fusion evidence does not demonstrate that humans share a common ancestor with apes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Miller may reply that his model predicts the fusion evidence. But if we didn't find evidence for fusion in human chromosome 2, would that really refute Darwinism? No. Evolutionists would just claim that the fused telomeres and extra centromere were deleted. Miller assumes that functional genetic similarities must result from common descent, ignoring the possibility that such biochemical similarities might result from common design upon a functional blueprint. &lt;/blockquote&gt;Luskin even produces a diagram to "illustrate" his point:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/SwX23JfFmzI/AAAAAAAAEMM/fHYHZ1uI7vQ/s1600/Luskin%27s+Interpretation.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="TEXT-ALIGN: center; MARGIN: 0px auto 10px; WIDTH: 319px; DISPLAY: block; HEIGHT: 339px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5405998355027696434" border="0" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/SwX23JfFmzI/AAAAAAAAEMM/fHYHZ1uI7vQ/s400/Luskin%27s+Interpretation.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;First, let's get Miller's argument &lt;a href="http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/beta/evolution/defense-evolution.html"&gt;from his own mouth&lt;/a&gt;, rather than as spun by Luskin and the other IDers:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;We've known for a long time that we humans share common ancestry with the other great apes—gorillas, orangs, chimps, and bonobos. But there's an interesting problem here. We humans have 46 chromosomes; all the other great apes have 48. In a sense, we're missing a pair of chromosomes, two chromosomes. How did that happen?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well, is it possible that in the line that led to us, a pair of chromosomes was simply lost, dropping us from 24 pairs to 23? Well, the answer to that is no. The loss of both members of a pair would actually be fatal in any primate. There is only one possibility, and that is that two chromosomes that were separate became fused to form a single chromosome. If that happened, it would drop us from 24 pairs to 23, and it would explain the data.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's the interesting point, and this is why evolution is a science. That possibility is testable. If we indeed were formed that way, then somewhere in our genome there has to be a chromosome that was formed by the fusion of two other chromosomes. Now, how would we find that? It's easier than you might think.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Every chromosome has a special DNA sequence at both ends called the telomere sequence. Near the middle it has another special sequence called the centromere. If one of our chromosomes was formed by the fusion of two ancestral chromosomes, what we should be able to see is that we possess a chromosome in which telomere DNA is found in the center where it actually doesn't belong, and that the chromosome has two centromeres. So all we have to do is to look at our own genome, look at our own DNA, and see, do we have a chromosome that fits these features?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We do. It's human chromosome number 2, and the evidence is unmistakable. We have two centromeres, we have telomere DNA near the center, and the genes even line up corresponding to primate chromosome numbers 12 and 13.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Is there any way that intelligent design or special creation could explain why we have a chromosome like this? The only way that I can think of is if you're willing to say that the intelligent designer rigged chromosome number 2 to fool us into thinking that we had evolved. The closer we look at our own DNA, the more detailed a glimpse we get of our own genome, the more powerful the evidence becomes for our common ancestry with other species.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Note what Miller is &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; saying here: we have lots of evidence that we share common ancestry with the &lt;i&gt;other&lt;/i&gt; great apes (heck, even Luskin has to admit that "humans and apes share a similar genetic structure") but, when we encounter something that raises a question how close that relationship is -- our different number of chromosomes -- and we go and look, we find convincing evidence that it is as close as we originally thought. If we hadn't found the fused chromosome, it would not have refuted evolution or common descent but it would have greatly changed our ideas about the relationship between gorillas, orangutans, chimps, bonobos and human beings. In short, it supports the &lt;em&gt;other&lt;/em&gt; evidence that led us to think there was not just shared ancestry, but a close relationship.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What is Luskin's response to this evidence? Not wanting to go the "trickster Designer" route, he can only fall back on a &lt;i&gt;presumption&lt;/i&gt; that there is a "Designer" and simply say that, if you look at the same evidence with their presumption, you can mangle it to fit their preconceived idea ... &lt;i&gt;i.e.&lt;/i&gt; "the &lt;i&gt;possibility&lt;/i&gt; that such biochemical similarities &lt;i&gt;might&lt;/i&gt; result from common design upon a functional blueprint."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But &lt;i&gt;why&lt;/i&gt; would a "Designer" abandon the "common design" of an already "functional blueprint" to fuse the human version of chromosomes 12 and 13, shared by all other primates? Now here is a research project that the Biologic Institute could take on: find the &lt;i&gt;functional&lt;/i&gt; reason to fuse these two chromosomes. Otherwise, IDers are just offering a reason to ignore one piece of the massive total evidence, gathered across numerous lines of investigation in many different fields, that forms a &lt;i&gt;consilience&lt;/i&gt; favoring common descent of all the great apes, including humans, and evolution in general.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Remember how Stephen Meyer &lt;a href="http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/06/cruelest-cut.html"&gt;crows about using&lt;/a&gt; "the same method of inferential reasoning that Darwin used," namely: "the inference to the best explanation"? When you take &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; the evidence, instead of selectively ignoring the evidence that your theory &lt;em&gt;does not even attempt to explain&lt;/em&gt;, the best inference clearly favors common descent through processes that can be naturalistically explained.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And no amount of ankle biting can change that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;______________________________&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Update&lt;/strong&gt;: "NickM" asked in the comments if Luskin wasn't arguing that the originally created humans had 48 chromosomes which later fused; not that the creator fused them himself. If so, then the Biologic Institute wouldn't have to find the functional reason to fuse the two chromosomes (though there'd still be the question why the "Designer" didn't build in safeguards to prevent random fusing of chromosomes, which could be catastrophic).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But now we learn from Stephen Meyer (via Richard Hoppe at &lt;i&gt;The Panda's Thumb&lt;/i&gt;) that:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;If an intelligent (and benevolent) agent designed life, then studies of putatively bad designs in life–such as the vertebrate retina and virulent bacteria–should reveal either (a) reasons for the designs that show a hidden functional logic or (b) evidence of decay of originally good designs (&lt;i&gt;Signature in the Cell&lt;/i&gt;, p. 497). &lt;/blockquote&gt;So, if the "Designer" didn't originally and intentionally fuse our chromosomes for some reason to improve his already "functional blueprint" for primates, there should be evidence that human chromosomes are inferior to the rest of the great apes. Still something the Biologic Institute could get its teeth into ... if it had any.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#ffffff;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14771541-3588612984515508961?l=dododreams.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/feeds/3588612984515508961/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14771541&amp;postID=3588612984515508961' title='13 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/3588612984515508961'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/3588612984515508961'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/11/ken-millers-ankles-are-in-danger.html' title='Ken Miller&apos;s Ankles Are In Danger'/><author><name>John Pieret</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17336244849636477317</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='17665637512838394680'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/SwX23JfFmzI/AAAAAAAAEMM/fHYHZ1uI7vQ/s72-c/Luskin%27s+Interpretation.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>13</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14771541.post-55964861929467543</id><published>2009-11-19T00:34:00.002-05:00</published><updated>2009-11-19T00:45:16.383-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Boundaries</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/SwTZMzK_dhI/AAAAAAAAEME/ITlYInegqUA/s1600/Barbed+Wire+111909.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 231px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 320px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5405684266669405714" border="0" alt="" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/SwTZMzK_dhI/AAAAAAAAEME/ITlYInegqUA/s320/Barbed+Wire+111909.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Massimo Pigliucci has, I think, an &lt;a href="http://rationallyspeaking.blogspot.com/2009/11/on-difference-between-science-and.html"&gt;excellent post&lt;/a&gt; at his blog, &lt;i&gt;Rationally Speaking&lt;/i&gt;, entitled "On the difference between science and philosophy," that nicely &lt;a href="http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/10/philosophy-and-scientists.html"&gt;captures&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2006/11/agnostic-about-atheism.html"&gt;most of&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/09/burned-by-chestnuts.html"&gt;my objections&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href="http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/07/catching-religious.html"&gt;to the attempts&lt;/a&gt; by some atheists to smudge the very real lines between science and philosophy and/or to denigrate philosophy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;Science, broadly speaking, deals with the study and understanding of natural phenomena, and is concerned with empirically (i.e., either observationally or experimentally) testable hypotheses advanced to account for those phenomena.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Philosophy, on the other hand, is much harder to define. Broadly speaking, it can be thought of as an activity that uses reason to explore issues that include the nature of reality (metaphysics), the structure of rational thinking (logic), the limits of our understanding (epistemology), the meaning implied by our thoughts (philosophy of language), the nature of the moral good (ethics), the nature of beauty (aesthetics), and the inner workings of other disciplines (philosophy of science, philosophy of history, and a variety of other "philosophies of"). Philosophy does this by methods of analysis and questioning that include dialectics and logical argumentation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, it seems to me obvious, but apparently it needs to be stated that: a) philosophy and science are two distinct activities (at least nowadays, since science did start as a branch of philosophy called natural philosophy); b) they work by different methods (empirically-based hypothesis testing vs. reason-based logical analysis); and c) they inform each other in an inter-dependent fashion (science depends on philosophical assumptions that are outside the scope of empirical validation, but philosophical investigations should be informed by the best science available in a range of situations, from metaphysics to ethics and philosophy of mind).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So when some commentators for instance defend the Dawkins- and Coyne-style (scientistic) take on atheism, i.e., that science can mount an attack on all religious beliefs, they are granting too much to science and too little to philosophy. Yes, science can empirically test specific religious claims (intercessory prayer, age of the earth, etc.), but the best objections against the concept of, say, an omnibenevolent and onmnipowerful god, are philosophical in nature (e.g., the argument from evil). Why, then, not admit that by far the most effective way to reject religious nonsense is by combining science and philosophy, rather than trying to arrogate to either more epistemological power than each separate discipline actually possesses? &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;It is not an either/or proposition. Philosophy is a messier field than science since it admits a more diffuse standard than science admits, precisely because it is broader, less defined, subject. But you cannot complain about the diffuseness of philosophy while simultaneously trying to expand science to answer questions it cannot produce empiric evidence about that truly bear on the questions posed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#ffffff;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14771541-55964861929467543?l=dododreams.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/feeds/55964861929467543/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14771541&amp;postID=55964861929467543' title='10 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/55964861929467543'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/55964861929467543'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/11/boundaries.html' title='Boundaries'/><author><name>John Pieret</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17336244849636477317</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='17665637512838394680'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/SwTZMzK_dhI/AAAAAAAAEME/ITlYInegqUA/s72-c/Barbed+Wire+111909.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>10</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14771541.post-725150188814735948</id><published>2009-11-18T22:31:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2009-11-18T22:37:55.163-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Peas In a Pod</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/SwS8QEfIzkI/AAAAAAAAEL8/S1B9p6mR1cY/s1600/Peas+in+a+Pod+111809.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 147px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 203px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5405652437019708994" border="0" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/SwS8QEfIzkI/AAAAAAAAEL8/S1B9p6mR1cY/s320/Peas+in+a+Pod+111809.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Here's something I did not know before.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Anti-vaccination denialists share more in common with creationists than just a disdain for science. Of course, I knew that they shared many of the same tactics: appeals to a nonexistent scientific "controversy;" &lt;i&gt;argumentum ad populum&lt;/i&gt;; claims of scientific "elites" choking off "debate;" etc. But I did not know to just what extent they follow the same trail.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As &lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2009/11/bill_maher_flames_out_over_vaccines.php"&gt;pointed out&lt;/a&gt; by Orac, they even have tales of "deathbed conversions" by scientists.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Supposedly, Louis Pasteur recanted the germ theory of disease on his deathbed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the clip of Bill Maher Orac points to, Maher seems (or feigns) hurt that he has been described as being a denier of the germ theory of disease but Orac &lt;a href="http://oracknows.blogspot.com/2005/03/is-bill-maher-really-that-ignorant_07.html"&gt;also shows&lt;/a&gt; where Maher has propagated &lt;a href="http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/pasteur.htm"&gt;the myth&lt;/a&gt; of Pasteur's recantation. Apart from the fact that, &lt;i&gt;logically&lt;/i&gt;, the fact that one person, even the originator of a scientific idea, might change his or her mind does nothing to refute all the other science done by other scientists, the people who trot out these myths never seem to consider the possibility that people &lt;i&gt;in extremis&lt;/i&gt; might not be the most reliable of witnesses.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maher's reaction is so like the Discovery Institute's &lt;i&gt;faux&lt;/i&gt; outrage at being described as evolution deniers, while still sending out their attack puppy, Casey Luskin, to &lt;a href="http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/07/i_guess_eponymous_wasnt_on_the.php"&gt;make a fool of himself&lt;/a&gt; in arguing against transitional fossils.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maybe there is something in the architecture of the brains of denialsts that attract them to these kind of "arguments." A "just so story" to explain such an adaptation would be a doozy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#ffffff;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14771541-725150188814735948?l=dododreams.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/feeds/725150188814735948/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14771541&amp;postID=725150188814735948' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/725150188814735948'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/725150188814735948'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/11/peas-in-pod.html' title='Peas In a Pod'/><author><name>John Pieret</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17336244849636477317</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='17665637512838394680'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/SwS8QEfIzkI/AAAAAAAAEL8/S1B9p6mR1cY/s72-c/Peas+in+a+Pod+111809.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14771541.post-4627350541507541457</id><published>2009-11-17T22:09:00.002-05:00</published><updated>2009-11-18T17:08:24.001-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Putting On a Dogma and Pony Show</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/SZcRpAdQgtI/AAAAAAAADZA/YkRKS-bLoeQ/s1600-h/Dog+and+Pony.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 193px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 300px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5302726482447074002" border="0" alt="" src="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/SZcRpAdQgtI/AAAAAAAADZA/YkRKS-bLoeQ/s320/Dog+and+Pony.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt; The board of trustees of La Sierra University in Riverside California is asking the impossible. After &lt;a href="http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_S_lasierra18.2f5fedb.html"&gt;voting last week&lt;/a&gt; unanimously to endorse Seventh-day Adventist beliefs that the world was created in six 24-hour days, it:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;... also proposed that all 15 North American Adventist universities develop a curriculum that includes a "scientifically rigorous affirmation" of Adventist creation beliefs. &lt;/blockquote&gt;Good luck with that!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems that the university's science department is a victim of popular dissent from evolution within the church:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;More than 6,300 people from across the country have signed an online petition expressing concern that evolution is presented as fact at La Sierra and other Seventh-day Adventist universities. ...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Shane Hilde, the Beaumont man spearheading the petition drive, said he will be satisfied only when Adventist creation beliefs are presented as the preferred world view in classes in which evolution is discussed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"To me, this is a positive statement, but that's what it is, just a statement," Hilde said of the board resolutions. "They didn't do anything about how to hold employees accountable for representing the church's position."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hilde and others say Adventist beliefs must be integrated into all classes in which evolution is discussed. He said faculty statements that God created everything in the world are insufficient, because they don't specifically endorse Adventist beliefs.&lt;/blockquote&gt;That's the way religions do science ... by political pressure to support dogma, instead of trying to discover how the world actually works.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;__________________________________&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Update&lt;/strong&gt;: The excellent Nick Matzke is &lt;a href="http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2009/11/seventh-day-adv.html"&gt;over at&lt;/a&gt; &lt;em&gt;The Panda's Thumb&lt;/em&gt; delving into the reasons why the hard-creationist-line Adventists are in such a tizzy (i.e., the "backsliding" by the faculty at Adventist universities).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#ffffff;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14771541-4627350541507541457?l=dododreams.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/feeds/4627350541507541457/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14771541&amp;postID=4627350541507541457' title='14 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/4627350541507541457'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/4627350541507541457'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/11/putting-on-dogma-and-pony-show.html' title='Putting On a Dogma and Pony Show'/><author><name>John Pieret</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17336244849636477317</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='17665637512838394680'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/SZcRpAdQgtI/AAAAAAAADZA/YkRKS-bLoeQ/s72-c/Dog+and+Pony.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>14</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14771541.post-508482078510264408</id><published>2009-11-15T19:46:00.003-05:00</published><updated>2009-11-15T23:01:12.222-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Duane Gish Rides Again!</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/SwCklZZQZ-I/AAAAAAAAELc/44iPeeflI4A/s1600-h/Galloping+111509.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 201px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 320px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5404500515223529442" border="0" alt="" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/SwCklZZQZ-I/AAAAAAAAELc/44iPeeflI4A/s320/Galloping+111509.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;The Rev. Charles Welch, pastor of the Meadowbrook Church in Howard, Wisconsin, has &lt;a href="http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20091115/GPG0602/911150691/1269/GPG06/Scientific-fact-or-philosophy?"&gt;an article&lt;/a&gt; in the Green Bay &lt;i&gt;Press-Gazette&lt;/i&gt;, "Scientific fact or philosophy?". It is a classic example of a "&lt;a href="http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Gish_gallop"&gt;Gish Gallop&lt;/a&gt;," a series of bogus (if not outright dishonest) arguments that take much longer to debunk than to make. Fortunately, we have resources that greatly help, including Mark Isaak's "&lt;a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/"&gt;Index to Creationist Claims&lt;/a&gt;" (also available &lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/Counter-Creationism-Handbook-Mark-Isaak/dp/0520249267/"&gt;in book form&lt;/a&gt; as &lt;i&gt;The Counter-Creationism Handbook&lt;/i&gt;); &lt;a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/"&gt;29+ Evidences for Macroevolution&lt;/a&gt;: The Scientific Case for Common Descent; and the &lt;a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/quotes/mine/project.html"&gt;Quote Mine Project&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/quotes/#s4"&gt;other resources&lt;/a&gt; on creationist abuse of quotes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Pastor Chuck says: &lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;Let me ask a few honest questions.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;... which is his greatest misrepresentation, since, at the very least, he is implying a knowledge of science and its arguments that he does not have. It starts at the very beginning of his article: &lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;Turn a frog into a prince? Even a child recognizes it is not fact, but fiction.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA100.html"&gt;Claim CA100&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: Argument from Incredulity:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1.Really, the claim is "I can't conceive that (fill in the blank)." Others might be able to find a natural explanation; in many cases, they already have. Nobody knows everything, so it is unreasonable to conclude that something is impossible just because you do not know it. Even a noted antievolutionist acknowledges this point: "The peril of negative arguments is that they may rest on our lack of knowledge, rather than on positive results" (Behe 2003).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2.The argument from incredulity creates a god of the gaps. Gods were responsible for lightning until we determined natural causes for lightning, for infectious diseases until we found bacteria and viruses, for mental illness until we found biochemical causes for them. God is confined only to those parts of the universe we do not know about, and that keeps shrinking.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He next trots out a &lt;a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/quotes/mine/part2.html#quote2.6"&gt;quote mine of Darwin&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;"Why, if species descended from other species by gradual transcending orders of complexity, do we not find embedded in the earth (fossil record) or living (in the present), innumerable transitional forms?"&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC200_1.html"&gt;Claim CC200.1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. Some important factors prevent the formation of fossils from being common:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;• Fossilization itself is not a particularly common event. It requires conditions that preserve the fossil before it becomes scavenged or decayed. Such conditions are common only in a very few habitats, such as river deltas, peat bogs, and tar pits. Organisms that do not live in or near these habitats will be preserved only rarely.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;• Many types of animals are fragile and do not preserve well.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;• Many species have small ranges. Their chance of fossilization will be proportionally small.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;• The evolution of new species probably is fairly rapid in geological terms, so the transitions between species will be uncommon.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Passenger pigeons, once numbered in the billions, went extinct less than 200 years ago. How many passenger pigeon fossils can you find? If they are hard to find, why should we expect to find fossils that are likely from smaller populations and have been subject to millions of years of potential erosion?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. Other processes destroy fossils. Erosion (and/or lack of deposition in the first place) often destroys hundreds of millions of years or more of the geological record, so the geological record at any place usually has long gaps. Fossils can also be destroyed by heat or pressure when buried deep underground.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. As rare as fossils are, fossil discovery is still rarer. For the most part, we find only fossils that have been exposed by erosion, and only if the exposure is recent enough that the fossils themselves do not erode.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As climates change, species will move, so we cannot expect a transition to occur all at one spot. Fossils often must be collected from all over a continent to find the transitions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Only Europe and North America have been well explored for fossils because that is where most of the paleontologists lived. Furthermore, regional politics interfere with collecting fossils. Some fabulous fossils have been found in China only recently because before then the politics prevented most paleontology there.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. The shortage is not just in fossils but in paleontologists and taxonomists. Preparing and analyzing the material for just one lineage can take a decade of work. There are likely hundreds of transitional fossils sitting in museum drawers, unknown because nobody knowledgeable has examined them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5. Description of fossils is often limited to professional literature and does not get popularized. This is especially true of marine microfossils, which have the best record.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;6. If fossilization were so prevalent and young-earth creationism were true, we should find indications in the fossil record of animals migrating from the Ark to other continents. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;Where are the half-bird, half-reptile creatures today? Where are the half- ape, half-man creatures today?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB805.html"&gt;Claim CB805&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. The claim might be true if there were no such thing as extinction. But since species do become extinct, intermediates that once existed do not exist today. Since extinction is a one-way street, species can only become less connected over time. This is clear if we look at the fossil record, in which early members of separate groups are much harder to tell apart.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. Environments (and ecological niches) are not really as continuous as the claim pretends. Dogs bring down their prey through long chases, and cats ambush their prey; dogs are made for long-distance running, and cats are made for short sprints with high acceleration from a standing start. These requirements are quite different, and it is hard to achieve both in a single body. Compromises between the two have disadvantages in competition with specialists for either type, and thus natural selection culls them. Intermediates are competitive only so long as specialists are absent; so when specialists evolve, the intermediates are likely to become extinct.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. In part, distinctness is an illusion caused by our choice of which groups to give names to. Groups with unclear boundaries tend not to get separate names, or groups in which intermediate forms exist are chopped in half arbitrarily (especially obvious if fossil forms are considered; e.g., the line between dinosaurs and birds is arbitrary, increasingly so as new fossils are discovered).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. There are indeed several cases of continua in nature. In many groups, such as some grasses and leafhoppers, different species are very hard to tell apart. At least ten percent of bird species are similar enough to another species to produce fertile hybrids (Weiner 1994, 198-199). The most obvious continua are called ring species, because in the classic case (the herring gull complex) they form a ring around the North Pole. If we start in Western Europe and move west, similar populations, capable of interbreeding, succeed each other geographically. When we have traveled all the way around the world and reach Western Europe again, the final population is different enough that we call it a separate species, and it is incapable of interbreeding with herring gulls, even though they are connected by a continuous chain of interbreeding populations. This is a big problem for creationists. We expect kinds to be easily determined if they were created separately, but there are no such obvious divisions: &lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;They are mistaken, who repeat that the greater part of our species are clearly limited, and that the doubtful species are in a feeble minority. This seemed to be true, so long as a genus was imperfectly known, and its species were founded upon a few specimens, that is to say, were provisional. Just as we come to know them better, intermediate forms flow in, and doubts as to specific limits augment. (de Condolle, quoted in Darwin, 1872, chap. 2) &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;Next, Pastor Chuck asks:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;Where are the transitional forms today, evolving from one species to another? The honest study of fossils do not show it. They merely show a vast array of organisms that have become extinct over time. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;The answer to that is fairly obvious: they are all around us. They are just transitional between present day life and what will be extant in the future, something that is too contingent for human beings to predict, much like we cannot predict which atom of U-235 will next decay into Thorium-231. If some aliens visited Earth back in the time of the transition between dinosaurs and birds, they would have just noted the cool dinosaurs with fuzzy coverings, some of whom could maybe glide a bit. They wouldn't know that those dinosaurs would be ancestors of something called "birds," anymore than they'd know, five million years ago, that some interesting apes would evolve into the apes we call &lt;i&gt;H. sapiens&lt;/i&gt; today. But we can definitely see the results of evolution. As said in 29+ Evidences for Macroevolution, &lt;a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section1.html#morphological_intermediates"&gt;Prediction 1.4&lt;/a&gt;: Intermediate and transitional forms: the possible morphologies of predicted common ancestors:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;[A]ll living organisms can be thought of as intermediate between adjacent taxa in a phylogenetic tree. For instance, modern reptiles are intermediate between amphibians and mammals, and reptiles are also intermediate between amphibians and birds. As far as macroevolutionary predictions of morphology are concerned, this point is trivial, as it is essentially just a restatement of the concept of a nested hierarchy.&lt;/i&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;Why did the eruption of Mount St. Helens a few years ago give evolutionary appearance as though it took millions of years in its formation, while in reality it occurred within a short number of days? &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH581_1.html"&gt;Claim CH581.1&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. The sediments on Mount St. Helens were unconsolidated volcanic ash, which is easily eroded. The Grand Canyon was carved into harder materials, including well-consolidated sandstone and limestone, hard metamorphosed sediments (the Vishnu schist), plus a touch of relatively recent basalt.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. The walls of the Mount St. Helens canyon slope 45 degrees. The walls of the Grand Canyon are vertical in places.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3. The canyon was not entirely formed suddenly. The canyon along Toutle River has a river continuously contributing to its formation. Another canyon also cited as evidence of catastrophic erosion is Engineer's Canyon, which was formed via water pumped out of Spirit Lake over several days by the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4. The streams flowing down Mount St. Helens flow at a steeper grade than the Colorado River does, allowing greater erosion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5. The Grand Canyon (and canyons further up and down the Colorado River) is more than 100,000 times larger than the canyon on Mount St. Helens. The two are not really comparable.&lt;/i&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;Why do scientists ignore the observable evidence of a huge flood? Fish fossils, for example, were found in the high mountains of Wyoming and elsewhere. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC364.html"&gt;Claim CC364&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. Shells on mountains are easily explained by uplift of the land. Although this process is slow, it is observed happening today, and it accounts not only for the seashells on mountains but also for the other geological and paleontological features of those mountains. The sea once did cover the areas where the fossils are found, but they were not mountains at the time; they were shallow seas.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. A flood cannot explain the presence of marine shells on mountains for the following reasons:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;• Floods erode mountains and deposit their sediments in valleys.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;• In many cases, the fossils are in the same positions as they grow in life, not scattered as if they were redeposited by a flood. This was noted as early as the sixteenth century by Leonardo da Vinci (Gould 1998).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;• Other evidence, such as fossilized tracks and burrows of marine organisms, show that the region was once under the sea. Seashells are not found in sediments that were not formerly covered by sea.&lt;/i&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;How about the many places where petrified tree trunks stand upright through various layers of sediment, showing a rapid laying down of strata, not following the proposed idea of the geologic time scale?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC331.html"&gt;Claim CC331&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sudden deposition is not a problem for uniformitarian geology. Single floods can deposit sediments up to several feet thick. Furthermore, trees buried in such sediments do not die and decay immediately; the trunks can remain there for years or even decades.&lt;/i&gt; &lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;The same is true of so-called evolutionary family trees, which are based on speculation and not true science. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;If it was just speculation, we wouldn't be able to make predictions based on them, as pointed out in 29+ Evidences for Macroevolution, &lt;a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/section1.html#morphological_intermediates"&gt;Prediction 1.4&lt;/a&gt;: Intermediate and transitional forms: the possible morphologies of predicted common ancestors:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;[A] phylogenetic tree does make significant predictions about the morphology of intermediates which no longer exist or which have yet to be discovered. Each predicted common ancestor has a set of explicitly specified morphological characteristics, based on each of the most common derived characters of its descendants and based upon the transitions that must have occurred to transform one taxa into another (Cunningham et al. 1998; Futuyma 1998, pp. 107-108). From the knowledge of avian and reptilian morphology, it is possible to predict some of the characteristics that a reptile-bird intermediate should have, if found. Therefore, we expect the possibility of finding reptile-like fossils with feathers, bird-like fossils with teeth, or bird-like fossils with long reptilian tails. However, we do not expect transitional fossils between birds and mammals, like mammalian fossils with feathers or bird-like fossils with mammalian-style middle ear bones. ... (See the article for numerous examples of confirmation in bird-reptiles, reptile-mammals, human-hominids, land mammal-whales and land mammals-seacows.)&lt;/i&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;Why the unscientific circular aging of the fossils by the rocks and the rocks by the fossils? &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CC/CC310.html"&gt;Claim CC310&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. Many strata are not dated from fossils. Relative dates of strata (whether layers are older or younger than others) are determined mainly by which strata are above others. Some strata are dated absolutely via radiometric dating. These methods are sufficient to determine a great deal of stratigraphy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some fossils are seen to occur only in certain strata. Such fossils can be used as index fossils. When these fossils exist, they can be used to determine the age of the strata, because the fossils show that the strata correspond to strata that have already been dated by other means.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2.The geological column, including the relative ages of the strata and dominant fossils within various strata, was determined before the theory of evolution.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD103.html"&gt;Claim CD103&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1.The geologic column was outlined by creationist geologists. For example, Adam Sedgwick, who described and named the Cambrian era, referred to the theory of evolution as "no better than a phrensied dream" (Ritland 1982). The geologic column is based on the observation of faunal succession, the fact that organisms vary across strata, and that they do so in a consistent order from place to place. William "Strata" Smith (1769-1839) recognized faunal succession years before Darwin published his ideas on biological evolution.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2.The geologic column is validated in great detail by radiometric dating, which is based on principles of physics, not evolution. Furthermore, different dating techniques are consistent, and they are consistent with the order established by the early pioneers of stratigraphy.&lt;/i&gt; &lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;Speaking of origins, where did matter come from to begin with? The philosophy of evolution has no answer.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;Yes, and the &lt;i&gt;science&lt;/i&gt; of evolution also does not answer why chemistry works reliably or why your car can turn gasoline into mechanical energy. Here, Pastor Chuck is confusing &lt;i&gt;biology&lt;/i&gt; with physics and cosmology. The important point is: however matter and the universe first came into existence in the Big Bang, once it did, biological evolution became possible. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;Evolution has to assume that nonliving matter gave rise to living matter, contradicting the proven Law of Biogenesis, that only life reproduces life.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;What exactly &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; "nonliving matter"? All of life on Earth is made up of the same carbon, oxygen, hydrogen, etc. that is found in the crust of the Earth and its atmosphere. It is just arranged in molecules that come about through the ordinary "laws" of chemistry, where elements will combine in certain ways given a proper energy source. Life is an ongoing chemical reaction no less understandable than any high school chem lab experiment.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for the so-called "Law of Biogenesis":&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB000.html"&gt;Claim CB000&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The spontaneous generation that Pasteur and others disproved was the idea that life forms such as mice, maggots, and bacteria can appear fully formed. They disproved a form of creationism. There is no law of biogenesis saying that very primitive life cannot form from increasingly complex molecules.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;See, also, John Wilkins' &lt;a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/abioprob/spontaneous-generation.html"&gt;excellent article&lt;/a&gt; "Spontaneous Generation and the Origin of Life."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There you have it. Pastor Chuck, in an article of a mere 592 words has misrepresented science to such a degree that it has taken 2,830 words to give even a sketchy reply to him. Hundreds of thousands of more words could be expended and still not fully lay out the case on science's side. Truly, a lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth can get it's boots on.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Pastor Chuck describes himself as having a degree in chemistry and natural sciences from the University of Wisconsin-Madison ... no doubt to the great chagrin of UWM. It's a shame he learned so little.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#ffffff;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14771541-508482078510264408?l=dododreams.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/feeds/508482078510264408/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14771541&amp;postID=508482078510264408' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/508482078510264408'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/508482078510264408'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/11/duane-gish-rides-again.html' title='Duane Gish Rides Again!'/><author><name>John Pieret</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17336244849636477317</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='17665637512838394680'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/SwCklZZQZ-I/AAAAAAAAELc/44iPeeflI4A/s72-c/Galloping+111509.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14771541.post-2664045653389599818</id><published>2009-11-14T22:51:00.002-05:00</published><updated>2009-11-15T09:47:25.713-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Eye Problems</title><content type='html'>&lt;div align="justify"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/article/20091115/GPG0101/911150699/1207/GPG01"&gt;&lt;img style="MARGIN: 0px 0px 10px 10px; WIDTH: 189px; FLOAT: right; HEIGHT: 294px; CURSOR: hand" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5404309041101756914" border="0" alt="" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Sv_2cItNWfI/AAAAAAAAELU/PaFReyUuoAE/s320/Blinders+111509.jpg" /&gt;Here's a good one&lt;/a&gt;&lt;strong&gt;*&lt;/strong&gt;:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;"You can't teach creationism or intelligent design without getting into a little bit of trouble in the public schools, which is a shame," said former Green Bay East High School science teacher Jim Kraft of Allouez. "What's being promoted in the public schools is really atheism. … There's the (presumption) that the Earth is millions, billions of years old, and that is really a very subtle attack on the Bible, and on Christianity."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Kraft used to be an evolutionist, but later became a Christian and an adherent to creationist principles. He thinks public schools should teach creationism, and he isn't alone.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;If Mr. Kraft's religion requires that the Earth be less than "millions, billions of years old," then teaching the scientific &lt;i&gt;facts&lt;/i&gt; about the age of the Earth is hardly "subtle." If, on the other hand, the evidence for the age of the Earth is just a "presumption," given the breadth of the evidence, from physics, astrophysics, geology, etc., etc., then &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; of science must be a presumption in Mr. Kraft's topsy-turvy &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omphalos_hypothesis"&gt;Omphalos&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;-driven world and you have to wonder about the commitment he &lt;i&gt;ever&lt;/i&gt; had to teaching science.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There's more: &lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p align="justify"&gt;Kraft doesn't think someone can be a Christian and an evolutionist.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"It really boils down to the authority of Scripture," he said. "Are you going to believe God, or are you going to believe man?"&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div align="justify"&gt;For myself, the answer is easy. I'm going to believe the men and women with the evidence over the men who wrote down the Bible and, without any evidence, claimed it came from God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But it's funny that Mr. Kraft apparently thinks the Pope ain't Catholic since, as the article points out, the Catholic Church's position is that evolution and faith are not incompatible.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If those blinders on Mr. Kraft get any tighter, he won't be able to see at all.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;________________________________&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;*&lt;/strong&gt; "Black and white: Nearly 150 years after Darwin, creationists and evolution theorists hold tight to their arguments," Green Bay Wisconsin &lt;i&gt;Press-Gazette&lt;/i&gt;, November 15, 2009.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="color:#ffffff;"&gt;.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/14771541-2664045653389599818?l=dododreams.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/feeds/2664045653389599818/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=14771541&amp;postID=2664045653389599818' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/2664045653389599818'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/14771541/posts/default/2664045653389599818'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://dododreams.blogspot.com/2009/11/eye-problems.html' title='Eye Problems'/><author><name>John Pieret</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/17336244849636477317</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:extendedProperty xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' name='OpenSocialUserId' value='17665637512838394680'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_BQtYCYJpONQ/Sv_2cItNWfI/AAAAAAAAELU/PaFReyUuoAE/s72-c/Blinders+111509.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'>4</thr:total></entry></feed>