tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-134226782008-07-16T19:24:05.102-04:00'Preach the word; be ready in season and out of season'Nathan Whitehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14146269563760139652noreply@blogger.comBlogger175125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13422678.post-29239974144777955042007-04-04T23:36:00.000-04:002007-04-07T13:03:16.953-04:00This Blog has MOVED!<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp1.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/RhR0A8kUK0I/AAAAAAAAAMY/oT8_lMJ_KW4/s1600-h/misty.jpg"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp1.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/RhR0A8kUK0I/AAAAAAAAAMY/oT8_lMJ_KW4/s400/misty.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5049788641796434754" border="0" /></a><br />...please update your blogroll and point people to my new site, <a href="http://shepherdtheflock.com/">Shepherdtheflock.com</a>!<br /><span style="font-size:85%;"><br />The <span style="font-weight: bold;">RSS feed</span> is: <a href="http://shepherdtheflock.com/?feed=rss2">http://shepherdtheflock.com/?feed=rss2</a></span><br /><br />It is with great excitement and anticipation that I announce that I have moved this blog to a different domain. Let me briefly explain:<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">It is not about me and my opinions. </span>Nathancwhite might be the contributor here and at my new domain, but I want to get as far away as possible from a 'its all about me and my opinions' website. It is not about nathancwhite at all, so I am taking my blog in a slightly different direction to help convey that conviction. Instead of a simple site where I give my opinions, I envision a more pastoral, servant-minded, 'equipping the saints' kind of website.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">People need good resources and direction to other Godly material, not just opinions. </span>Thus, I pray that my new blog will provide people with a few sound resources so they are not stuck taking my word on things! Hopefully I can point people to what others are saying as well.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">A podcast is in the works, which will piggy-back off of the new domain. </span>Call me crazy, but I am entering into the webcast/podcast world. I am throwing together some professional equipment to host a weekly or bi-weekly radio show discussing different theological topics of our day. My goal (our goal; I am not doing this alone) is to provide listeners with interviews, gospel presentations, theological discussions, exposition of scripture, current events, blogsphere discussions, and street-witnessing encounters. This project is scheduled to begin in Summer 2007.<br /><br /><p><strong>In John chapter 21</strong>, beginning in verse 15, the risen Christ asked the Apostle Peter three times ‘Peter, do you love me?’ Of course, Peter replied that he did in fact love the Lord. However, it is Jesus’ response that deserves our attention, and it is one that motivated the naming of this blog as ’shepherd the flock’. Jesus doesn’t tell Peter to make sure and obey everything he was taught. He doesn’t tell Peter to make sure and do his daily devotions. He doesn’t tell Peter to spend an hour a day in prayer or he is sinning. No, despite the great importance of these things, Jesus tells Peter three times to, “Feed My lambs”, “Tend My sheep”, and “Feed My Sheep” (ESV). In our American culture, Christianity has become a ‘me’ religion instead of a ‘us’ religion. We are to pursue holiness not in some dark corner by ourselves, but corporately with the other believer’s edification as more important than our own. Neglecting our own private worship will certainly dishonor the name of Christ, but neglecting to pursue and encourage the holiness of others will do exactly the same.</p> <p>Peter’s last instructions from Christ were to tend the spiritual needs of others; it was this that Jesus pointed him to as an evidence of Godly love! So it is with this understanding that shepherdtheflock enters the world wide web.</p><br />Lastly, please see my '<a href="http://shepherdtheflock.com/?page_id=2">about</a>' page on my new blog for a fuller explanation of what I envision for the new site.<br /><br />Please try to get the word out on this new site. And, as always, I ask for and welcome any feedback or suggestions on this new endeavor.<br /><br />Sadly, this will be my last post on nathancwhite.blogspot.com. However, I will leave it up for archives and reference. I did not pull these posts over to my new blog, so these archives will come in handy.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">SDG</span>Nathan Whitehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14146269563760139652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13422678.post-20857474876173869592007-03-31T21:00:00.000-04:002007-03-31T21:35:55.090-04:00Dialogue with a Muslim<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp2.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/Rg8Ki5RumqI/AAAAAAAAAMQ/w5PR9TnzUww/s1600-h/Koran.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp2.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/Rg8Ki5RumqI/AAAAAAAAAMQ/w5PR9TnzUww/s200/Koran.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5048265301912623778" border="0" /></a>Today, a couple of friends and I had the opportunity to witness to a Muslim family. Well, I guess you could call it 'witnessing', as it was pretty hard to get a word in. I’d like to share a little bit about our dialogue to see how <i style="">you </i>would respond in this situation:<br /><br /> <p class="MsoNormal">When confronted with the gospel, the Muslim almost immediately began to dispute everything we said. Let me first share to you his immediate objections to our challenge of the gospel, and then I will share a little of our dialogue:<br /></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p> <p style="font-weight: bold;" class="MsoNormal">The man was adamant about his belief that:</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p> <p class="MsoNormal">-Jesus was a prophet sent from God, but that He of course not God Himself.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p> <p class="MsoNormal">-Jesus came before Muhammad, who was God’s ultimate and final prophet.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span>-Jesus was not raised from the dead.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-weight: bold;"><br /></span> </p> <p class="MsoNormal">-The Koran was God’s word because there was only one true copy of it in the world that has been preserved, and that nobody has the original copy of the Bible, thus it now can’t be trusted. He kept saying that the Bible has been corrupted, that we no longer have the originals, and so what we have today is clearly not God’s preserved word.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p> <p class="MsoNormal">Well, we argued for a few minutes on the Koran/Bible issue, but that <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">didn</span>’t go anywhere. I kept saying that Jesus claimed to be God, and so He was a lunatic if He was simply a prophet.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p> <p class="MsoNormal">Next, we got into it briefly about the crucifixion. He looked at my friend and said, ‘Do you have children?’ My friend, Davide, who does not have kids, said ‘no, but he does’, and pointed to me. :) Looking back I laugh at that, but in the heat of the moment I did immediately step forward and say ‘yes I have a child’, so Davide really wasn't 'volunteering' me. :)<br /></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p> <p class="MsoNormal">So, the gentlemen asked me if I’d ever let my child be tortured and killed, to which I responded ‘no, not if you ask me like that, but I am wicked and evil and I want my own desires’; maybe not the best thing to say in that moment, but its what first came to mind :)</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p> <p class="MsoNormal">But he continued to say that it was ludicrous that God gave up his only Son to be killed. At this point I pulled out my Bible and began to read Romans 3 to him, particularly verses 21 on, in an attempt to show that God put Him forth to show His own righteousness in passing over the former sins, but the gentlemen almost immediately cut me off and said that he <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">didn</span>’t believe that book and so I was wasting my time.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p> <p class="MsoNormal">I then responded with ‘the Bible is my ultimate authority, and you want me to abandon that to explain to you why Christ was crucified?’, which only brought us back to the original question of the Bible versus the Koran. Thus, we were getting nowhere, and he said that it was best to go our separate ways.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p> <p class="MsoNormal">But before we left, what I attempted to end with was this: our faith in Jesus is rooted in the historical fact that Jesus Christ was crucified, and that He rose from the dead. God confirmed His deity and His scripture by raising Christ from the dead.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p> <p class="MsoNormal">So that was my last word, and I’m not sure exactly how it came out or if it was understood, but we then walked away.<br /></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p><p class="MsoNormal">What can I learn from this? What could/should I have said or done differently? Should we have engaged him further on the Koran issue? Should we have nailed down Jesus’ deity in clearer terms? Should we have pointed to the history of the Koran and of Muhammad? I value the advice of those who know more about these things and this religion than I do.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p> <p style="font-weight: bold;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:130%;"><span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2">SDG</span></span></p>Nathan Whitehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14146269563760139652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13422678.post-50294455001493009052007-03-29T19:41:00.000-04:002007-03-29T19:50:46.414-04:00Impressions and Feelings: Part...nevermind<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp0.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/RgxPvJRumpI/AAAAAAAAAMI/NXJmtnTniUk/s1600-h/tpyro07.gif"><img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp0.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/RgxPvJRumpI/AAAAAAAAAMI/NXJmtnTniUk/s320/tpyro07.gif" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5047496953738205842" border="0" /></a><img src="file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Owner/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpg" alt="" />Last year I did a series on impressions and feelings in the Christian life, and I asked the question whether we are to interpret these things as coming from God (see tag: <a href="http://nathancwhite.blogspot.com/search/label/Defense%20of%20Cessationism">Cessationism</a> -scroll down). Obviously, I made the point then that we cannot biblically affirm that impressions and feelings come from God. There was quite a bit discussion in that series, as there are some who definitely disagree with that.<br /><br />Today I thought I'd just throw in a quick quote by Phil Johnson. In my sidebar, I just linked to a Dan Phillips article on Team Pyro (discussing spiritual gifts), and in that thread Phil Johnson made a great comment that I believe deserves mentioning here. Take head my brothers and sisters:<br /><br /><blockquote>"I'm tied up with meetings today and unable to participate in the blog-discussion, but a couple of people have e-mailed me privately with the same question about this thread. One begged me for an answer; the other accused me of dodging the question.<br /><br />So here's the question and my short answer:<br /><br /><b>Q:</b> <i>If God doesn't speak to you directly, how does he "lead" you to do anything? How, for example, did you know Darlene was the right person to marry?; how did you know you were called to ministry?; and how do you explain it when a thought pops into your head and prompts you to pray for someone?</i><br /><br />Short answer: I trust the providence of God. I can't necessarily <i>interpret</i> the providence of God infallibly, though.<br /><br />So if (for example) I suddenly think to pray for the safety or holiness of one of my children, I don't need to interpret that as a prophetic message from God that Pecadillo or one of his brothers in in immediate danger. But I pray for them nonetheless, though I can't possibly understand why that thought popped into my head or even discern correctly whether it originated in my own imagination or was immediately infused into my brain by the Holy Spirit.<br /><br />If it turns out later that I prayed at exactly the right moment when some specific danger befell one of my kids, I praise God for a remarkable providence.<br /><br />I DON'T, however, twist it into some kind of quasi-revelation and use it as an excuse to trust my own heart. Scripture says those who do that are fools (Proverbs 28:26).<br /><br />Here's the thing: I trust Providence enough to believe that God ordained that I should pray, and He will answer my prayer for His glory and my good, even if the thought that prompted the prayer was out of my own imagination.<br /><br />But it would be a sin for me to claim God "told" me to pray about that particular thing at that particular time when He did no such thing.<br /><br /><i><b>Providence,</b></i> people. Go and learn what that means, and we can avoid having this debate every 6 weeks or so.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.amazon.ca/Decisions-How-Not-Make-Them/dp/087552592X/ref=sr_1_21/702-7639658-7346407?ie=UTF8&s=books&amp;amp;amp;amp;qid=1175193315&sr=1-21" rel="nofollow">Here's a book,</a> written by a good friend of mine, that deals with this issue well."<br /></blockquote>Nathan Whitehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14146269563760139652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13422678.post-74293905912505004102007-03-26T21:39:00.000-04:002007-03-26T22:09:16.223-04:00Street Preaching: Still effective in this culture?<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp1.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/Rgh78ZfS-UI/AAAAAAAAALw/Q86uvZKtIbY/s1600-h/preach.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp1.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/Rgh78ZfS-UI/AAAAAAAAALw/Q86uvZKtIbY/s200/preach.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5046419660033161538" border="0" /></a>I’m sure everyone is familiar with The Way of the Master and <a href="http://www.wayofthemasterradio.com/index.shtml">The Way of the Master Radio</a> with Ray Comfort, Kirk Cameron, and Todd Friel. I occasionally listen to their podcasts, and you should check them out too if you’ve never heard them before.<br /><br />The WOM ministry is essentially built upon witnessing, particularly to strangers and people on the street. While I do not endorse every practice, method, or theology that they advocate, I am constantly edified and challenged by their ministry.<br /><br />One area of emphasis coming from the WOM ministry is on street preaching. Essentially, street preaching is…well, just that: standing up on a public street and preaching...loudly. This is not the same as just plain witnessing, such as handing out tracts and talking to people, etc., and they make this crystal clear. Street preaching, they say, takes boldness –you must be firm, loud, clear, and to the point. Its aim is to grab the attention of those just passing by, and to immediately impact their conscience. It is something that takes practice and a tough personality to withstand the insults and contentions that could potentially come.<br /><br />My question to you today is this: what impact has the fundamentalist movement had on street<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp1.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/Rgh8CZfS-VI/AAAAAAAAAL4/4fptDTleHoI/s1600-h/street.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp1.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/Rgh8CZfS-VI/AAAAAAAAAL4/4fptDTleHoI/s200/street.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5046419763112376658" border="0" /></a> preaching? That is, when I think of street preaching, I think of the guys downtown with their KJV-only bibles, shouting at everyone about homosexuals, drunkards, etc. Hell and fire are the constant theme of their message, and grace seems to be completely absent from the equation. Or I think of the Fred Phelps type: they hold signs which say that everybody is going to hell, homosexuals are under God’s divine wrath, or abortion is what *proves* that this nation needs repentance.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">So, the essence of my question is this: is street preaching still an effective means for sharing/preaching the gospel?</span> Has the fundamentalist approach ruined it for everyone else to the point where people will just think we’re a bunch of freaks if stand up and preach? If we were to street preach, how should we go about doing it? What should we talk about, what should we avoid saying? How should we approach people? Is it still an effective means for preaching Christ?<br /><br />I’m still formulating my own thoughts and opinions on the matter, but I definitely want to hear from all of you. <span style="font-weight: bold;">Please leave a comment or shoot me an email with your thoughts.</span><br /><br />SDGNathan Whitehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14146269563760139652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13422678.post-90578816399303803062007-03-25T22:56:00.000-04:002007-03-25T22:57:41.567-04:00New blog within the next week or so...Posting has been slow because I have been spending hours and hours on my new blog. It is almost finished, and will be a substantial upgrade to what you see here, trust me. I am really excited about this launch and the ministry of sorts that hopefully will come from it. Thus, check back soon!<br /><br />SDGNathan Whitehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14146269563760139652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13422678.post-13011941802771658152007-03-21T20:01:00.000-04:002007-03-21T20:56:15.508-04:00Premillennialism: I'm taking the gloves OFF<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp2.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/RgHJCzoACWI/AAAAAAAAALI/oUWTO3GCe1M/s1600-h/gloves.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp2.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/RgHJCzoACWI/AAAAAAAAALI/oUWTO3GCe1M/s320/gloves.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5044534107686570338" border="0" /></a>For those readers of mine who might hold to a futurist or premillennial view on the end-times, I thought I’d put together a short list of odd beliefs coming from the premill position. Some of these points deal with Dispensationalism as well, not just premillennialism, given the fact that MacArthur is the one who has stirred up this controversy.<br /><br />If you are premillennial, please don't be offended by my candor. I'm certainly not pulling any punches here, but I'm only trying to promote the study of scripture and the edification of the saints. This topic is extremely, extremely important to the Christian life, contrary to popular belief. However, please don't be mistaken, it is a secondary doctrine, and I extend the right hand of Christian fellowship to all my brothers and sisters who disagree with me on this issue.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Thus,</span> for those who don’t know what position they hold, who can’t really defend what they believe, who only hold to premillennialism because that’s what good teachers like MacArthur hold to, and who like to think that Revelation should be read and interpreted like a historical narrative, here are a few points that premillennialism teaches, just so you can get a good idea of what you are subscribing to:<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;font-size:180%;" >The Premill position teaches:</span><br /><br /><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">-</span></span>That there will be a rapture and a second coming of Christ, -which is essentially two, separate comings of Christ, when the ‘literal’ interpretation of scripture only speaks of one.<br /><br /><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">-</span></span>That there will be a judgment at the first coming of Christ, before the millennial kingdom, and a judgment after the millennium, thus they believe in two ‘final’ judgments.<br /><br /><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">-</span></span>That there are actually 2 different, future ‘day(s) of the Lord’ spoken of by the prophets where God reigns down His wrath on mankind. Thus, even though Christ is supposed to be reigning from Israel with immortal believers during the millennium, and this reign is supposed to be one of ‘a rod of iron’, rebellion still occurs and the ‘day of the Lord’ must come even after 1000years of ‘peace’. Therefore, in reality, they believe in 2 ‘falls’ of mankind, so to speak, in that Adam and Eve fell and subjected the creation to futility by their sin, and that there is another fall after the millennium to again warrant punishment after God <span style="font-style: italic;">tries</span> to restore peace and tranquility on earth.<br /><br /><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">-</span></span>That Peter is warning us about the end of the millennium when he speaks of the ‘day of the Lord’ and the destruction of the earth in 2 Peter chapter 3. This must be the interpretation since the premill position affirms that the destruction of the earth comes after the millennium, rather than when Christ returns again.<br /><br /><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">-</span></span>That the new covenant was made with Israel and NOT with the church (a dispensational/MacArthur belief).<br /><br /><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">-</span></span>There will be a reinstitution of sacrifices, yes, real animal sacrifices on an altar in the rebuilt temple, during the millennial period when Jesus is physically sitting on the throne.<br /><br /><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">-</span></span>That in the millennium, there will be people in glorified bodies walking around and reigning with Christ, but that there will be people in mortal bodies living here as well. And to add to that, these un-glorified, mortal people actually have the audacity to rise up against the glorified Jesus and the glorified saints who are reigning with Him. Obviously, we want to make a point now to spread the word that in the millennium, its best that glorified people don’t hang out with un-glorified neighbors :) (H.T. FIDE-O for pointing this out).<br /><br /><br /><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">-</span></span>That in Revelation 20, a chapter that speaks of a ‘key’, a ‘dragon’, a ‘bottomless pit’, ‘beheadings’, ‘gog and magog’, etc., that the term ‘a thousand years’ should <span style="font-style: italic;">actually</span> be taken extremely literally just because it is used 6 times! This certainly is odd since the author says things like ‘until the thousand years are ended’, and ‘when the thousand years are ended’, referring to the period as ‘the thousand years’ instead of using a normal description of literal time such as ‘when one thousand years ended’, or ‘until one thousand years passed’, etc.<br /><br />That’s enough for now. I just wanted to give a brief preview of some of the teachings of premillennialism for those of you who clearly hold this position only by default. Listen, you may not have a problem with some of the points above, but I most certainly do. I just can't get there with my new testament in hand, I just can't.<br /><br /><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Let me just say this, folks: </span></span>Christ is reigning <span style="font-style: italic;">right now</span>, check your new testament. The final judgment and the second coming of Christ happen <span style="font-style: italic;">at the same time</span> -just take the ‘literal’ plain sense of scripture. The glorification of believers happens <span style="font-style: italic;">when</span> we are given new bodies, which happens <span style="font-style: italic;">at</span> the 2nd coming of Christ, which happens at the same time when He defeats all His enemies, including sin and death (not death for some), and hands the kingdom over to the Father; refer to 1 Cor 15. The Day of the Lord isn’t interrupted by a 1000year gap, check 2 Peter chapter 3. Everlasting, eternal punishment awaits the wicked at Christ’s second coming, not 1000 years after Christ returns, read 2 Thess chapter 2. The creation itself is awaiting redemption from sin, just like we are, and this redemption isn’t temporary -only to be subjected again after the 1000years are over; study Romans 8. And finally, Jesus Himself said that Satan, the ruler of this world, has been cast out, and that Jesus is drawing all nations unto Himself, so reconcile that with a futuristic view Revelation 20.<br /><br />Let us get back to the bible, not man’s tradition! The physical kingdom was being dreamed of by sinful, religious men in Jesus’ day; and in our day, the 'Left Behind' theology is proving to be just a re-packaging of these very same errors. Let us not fall into the same error the first century Jews fell into because they were looking for a physical kingdom and <span style="font-style: italic;">thus completely missed their Messiah</span>! We have been given the scriptures, the final word, the complete new testament, we should be smarter and wiser than this.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">SDG</span>Nathan Whitehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14146269563760139652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13422678.post-23026424142856032792007-03-19T20:59:00.000-04:002007-03-19T22:41:05.223-04:00The Importance of Prayer<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7877/1178/1600/prayer1.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7877/1178/320/prayer1.jpg" alt="" border="0" /></a><span style="font-style: italic;"><blockquote>“And they devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers.” – <span style="font-weight: bold;">Acts 2:42</span><br /></blockquote><span style="font-weight: bold;"></span></span><br />As many of you already know, Courtney and I are currently looking for a church home here in the Atlanta/Marietta/Woodstock area of North Georgia. Surprisingly so, there are many decent options available. The last time I seriously looked for a Calvinist church in our area (a church that holds to what scripture alone teaches regarding how man can be saved), I found only one or two options. Now, about 4 years later, there are no less than half a dozen sound, Calvinistic churches within driving distance of my home, and even more if I'm willing to drive a bit. I believe this is a wonderful testimony for what the Lord is doing in our midst. Nevertheless, even of these half a dozen or so, the largest of the group is no bigger than a couple hundred people. Most fit somewhere in the 50-100 range, though that is certainly to be expected. Pure doctrinal teaching is becoming more wide-spread, but it certainly isn’t popular in what is commonly called the ‘bible-belt’.<br /><br /><br />Given what the Lord is doing in raising up these godly churches and the ‘variety’ so to speak of the options available, Courtney and I are looking much deeper than just the doctrinal statement alone. We can find many churches in which we agree doctrinally, and so there becomes other points of emphasis that we will be examining closely. One aspect to which we are paying close attention to is the prayer life of the church. Without question, this area often goes unnoticed and overlooked, but I believe scripture is crystal clear in that this area will manifest the true character of any church, and individual person for that matter.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">A few observations from the Acts 2 passage above:</span><br /><br />• Sound doctrine without sound prayer leads to a cold, rigid, prideful religion.<br />• Fellowship without prayer leads to a self-centered and unloving social gathering –no different than the fellowship of the world.<br />• Worship and the Lord’s Supper without prayer becomes nothing more than a mere ritual, completely separated from the true recognition of the Lord’s Supper –our union with Christ and with each other in the new covenant.<br /><br />Simply put, prayer was an integral part of the 1st century church worship gatherings, so why have so many now days gone astray from that? Not only has our church society neglected prayer in the Lord’s Day service, but even Wednesday night prayer meetings are rare, and a decent attendance at those are even more scarce.<br /><br />We need to get back to scripture, folks. When we come together, the teaching, preaching, and fellowship are the norm, but public, corporate prayer is certainly not. This is to our great shame. Prayer requests should be voiced whenever the body meets for worship, and members should be given the opportunity to publicly pray if so desired. To do any less is to supress the spirit of the fellowship, and to grieve the Holy Spirit, no doubt. To pretend to have unity and fellowship without a devotion to prayer is simple hypocrisy. If the leaders and the congregation don’t devote themselves to prayer during the worship hour, what makes us think that they do it behind closed doors? As the great Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones said:<br /><blockquote><br /><span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">“There is nothing that tells the truth about us as Christians so much as our prayer life.”</span></blockquote><span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"></span><br />Brothers and Sisters, let us get back to the basics of the Christian faith. I plead with you today to devote yourself to prayer –both in church and out of church. Examine your prayer life -for it will clearly show the content and direction of your heart, as it will of your local church.Nathan Whitehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14146269563760139652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13422678.post-64069633014156171732007-03-14T21:58:00.000-04:002007-03-14T22:38:44.971-04:00John MacArthur and Premillennialism<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp1.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/RfiuvBS_y5I/AAAAAAAAAK8/HPeJiIMhSjQ/s1600-h/amill.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp1.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/RfiuvBS_y5I/AAAAAAAAAK8/HPeJiIMhSjQ/s200/amill.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5041971905666468754" border="0" /></a><o:p></o:p>I have heard <a href="http://www.challies.com/archives/002416.php">the sermon</a>. I listened very carefully. I listened with a purposeful intent to allow myself to be corrected by scripture. I wanted to displace the rumors that MacArthur used a barrage of <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=non%20sequitur">non-sequiturs</a> and that he instead attacked Amillennialism at its weakest point. I didn’t hear that. I was disappointed. I was actually left more confirmed in my Amillennialism after this hearing because there wasn't even one serious attempt to engage the real issues of why so many believe that Amillennialism is a clear biblical truth.<br /><br /><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p></o:p>Can I just make a few things clear for those who might hear this sermon and actually entertain the notion that his words were anything but patronizing?</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br /><o:p> </o:p></p> <ul style="margin-top: 0in;" type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="">-Amillennialism (and it's sister, Post-millennialism) is <span style="font-weight: bold;">by far</span> the majority view among the ancient church fathers. I have found that three mainstream groups just absolutely hate to hear about church history: the Arminians, the Charismatics, and yes, the Dispensationals. All three <i>downplay</i> church history as if WE are ‘more educated’ and ‘more evolved’ in our understanding of scripture, and that the old guys missed the boat. History doesn't determine truth, but it will guard you from modern-day fads and errors. 1800 years+ overwhelming hurts the 3 positions above. Nobody misses such important doctrines for that long.<br /></li></ul> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.25in;"><o:p> </o:p></p> <ul style="margin-top: 0in;" type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="">-Amillennialism does not teach that the promises to <st1:place st="on"><st1:country-region st="on">Israel</st1:country-region></st1:place> went away or were unfulfilled due to God 'divorcing' Israel. This was asserted <i>dozens</i> of times by MacArthur, which is one reason why it was hard to take his sermon seriously. Does anyone actually believe that God makes a promise and then goes back on His word? Apparently, MacArthur thinks a whole lot of people think that simply because we don't assert that the promises will be fulfilled exactly how he thinks they will be.<br /></li></ul> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <ul style="margin-top: 0in;" type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="">-Amillennialism does not deny the reality of a kingdom in which the OT promises are fulfilled! The premillennialists believe that an earthly, temporal kingdom will come <b>before</b> sin and death are done away with, and <b>before</b> the ‘final’ judgment (remember, with premillennialism, they have two ‘judgments’). Amillennialism, however, believes that when Christ returns, it is ‘curtains’ on sin, death, and the ONE final judgment, and that the New Jerusalem, as described in a number of NT texts, will be the reality of the kingdom spoken of in prophecy. Please, if you doubt this, go back and read all of the quotes MacArthur gave out of the OT. Find ONE that indicates that the kingdom spoken of is <span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;">temporal in nature and not eternal</span>. But, the Premill kingdom <b>is temporal</b> because of the rebellion at the end of Revelation 20 and the destruction of the earth in 2 Peter 3. </li></ul> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <ul style="margin-top: 0in;" type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="">-Amillennialism doesn’t teach that the church has replaced <st1:country-region st="on">Israel</st1:country-region>, but simply that the church has been grafted into <st1:country-region st="on">Israel</st1:country-region> and is a beneficiary of the promises made to <st1:place st="on"><st1:country-region st="on">Israel</st1:country-region></st1:place> (remember, we go to heaven, the New Jerusalem, the kingdom spoken of by the prophets, thus we are grafted into what was promised to Israel). Also, numerous New Testament texts teach us that we have been given the promises of Israel, being that we are a child of Abraham if we are united with Christ. </li></ul> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <ul style="margin-top: 0in;" type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="">-MacArthur unfortunately did not deal with any of the NT texts that present very large problems with his Premill views. In fact, they present more than large problems with premillennialism, they indicate that premillennialism is in fact a recent figment of imagination. Texts like: 1 Cor. 15:22-28; 1 Cor. 15:50-57; Rom. 8:18-23; 2 Pet. 3:8-13; Matt. 25:31-46; 2 Thess. 1:5-10; and John 5:28-29 (I have posted on many of these texts, do a search of this blog for my articles). It would have been very helpful if he would have simply acknowledged these texts and attempted to give a brief explanation of them.</li></ul><br /><ul style="margin-top: 0in;" type="disc"><li class="MsoNormal" style="">-And to this list, I will add what the Fide-O team<a href="http://fide-o.blogspot.com/2007/03/preterist-amil-reminders.html"> has said</a>:<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">What Amillennialism Is Not:</span> </li><li class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-style: italic;"> It does not deny the existence of a "millennium."</span> </li><li class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-style: italic;"> It does not require one to be a pedobaptist or immersionist.</span> </li><li class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-style: italic;"> It does not symbolize everything in the Bible.</span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-style: italic;">It does not have a non-literal understanding of the Bible.</span> </li><li class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-style: italic;">It does not hold to a literal "golden age" on earth like the many Postmillenarians.</span> </li><li class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-style: italic;">It is not "replacement theology."</span> </li><li class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-style: italic;">It is not anti-semetic.</span><br /><br /></li></ul>Want some further reading? A whole lot of people are talking about this. I wish I had the time to join the discussion:<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">FIDE-O:</span><br /><ul><li><a href="http://fide-o.blogspot.com/2007/03/life-of-unregistered-and-mocked.html">The Mocked Shepherd</a></li><li><a href="http://fide-o.blogspot.com/2007/03/was-jesus-amil.html">Was Jesus an Amil?</a></li><li><a href="http://fide-o.blogspot.com/2007/03/preterist-amil-reminders.html">Preterist Amil Reminders</a></li></ul><span style="font-weight: bold;">Justin Taylor (John Piper's editor):</span><br /><ul><li><a href="http://theologica.blogspot.com/2007/03/problems-with-premillennialism.html">Problems with Premillennialism</a></li><li><a href="http://theologica.blogspot.com/2007/03/premillennialism.html">Premillennialism</a></li></ul><span style="font-weight: bold;">Team Pyro (from the Pre-Mill position):</span><br /><ul><li><a href="http://teampyro.blogspot.com/2007/03/why-calvinism-necessitates.html">Why Calvinism necessitates Premillennialism</a></li><li><a href="http://bibchr.blogspot.com/2007/03/mac-make-big-boom.html">Mac make a big boom!</a></li></ul><span style="font-weight: bold;">Kim Riddlebarger:</span><br /><ul><li><a href="http://kimriddlebarger.squarespace.com/the-latest-post/2007/3/7/with-all-due-respect-to-dr-macarthur-.html">With all due respect to Dr. MacArthur</a></li><li><a href="http://kimriddlebarger.squarespace.com/the-latest-post/2007/3/13/why-john-macarthur-is-not-reformed.html">Why John MacArthur is not 'Reformed'</a></li></ul> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>Nathan Whitehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14146269563760139652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13422678.post-91651123435856533072007-03-12T22:54:00.000-04:002007-03-12T22:50:33.101-04:00Why Popular Separation is Pharisaical<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp0.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/RfYK7RS_y3I/AAAAAAAAAKs/An3ZEPM-10U/s1600-h/pharisee.jpeg"><img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp0.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/RfYK7RS_y3I/AAAAAAAAAKs/An3ZEPM-10U/s200/pharisee.jpeg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5041228846259489650" border="0" /></a>It can be the result of a doctrinal disagreement. It can be with someone whose personality you <span style="font-style: italic;">just can't stand</span>. It can be over petty but genuine faults/sins in someone you are acquainted with. It can stem because of the race of another, the financial status of another, the athletic ability of another, or even the intellectual ability of another. It can be over someone’s friends, family, or spouse. It can be because of something someone said, or the way they said it. It can be over their church attendance, friendliness while among others, knowledge of the scriptures, or openness to learn.<br /><br />Separation and cliquish behavior plague the modern church; no doubt about it. 'Love those who love you' has replaced the Good Samaritan.The biblical process of honest ‘church discipline’, at least the first step as outlined in Matt 18, has been replaced by selfish, self-interested, personality cliques and exclusion of those who are unfortunate enough to be on the outside. This isn't biblical separation, folks, this is the terrible sin of showing partiality. <span style="font-weight: bold;">Without a doubt</span>,<span style="font-weight: bold;"> in this day and age, the first step of church discipline has been replaced by avoidance rather than by personal, selfless attempts to rectify the problem.</span> Even worse, avoidance of others also tends to take place at the first little appearance of sin or of even a church-going <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/faux%20pas"><span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">faux</span> pas</a>.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">We saw it in Jesus' day. </span><br />The Pharisees judged everything by appearance, by the cross-talk of others, without mercy or compassion, without involvement to the point where every fact can be confirmed, and without ever putting forth the effort to selflessly confront the offender. They called Jesus down for hanging out with the prostitutes, the thieves, tax collectors, drunkards, and other ‘sinners’. <span style="font-style: italic;">Why hang out with those people, Jesus? Don’t you know that we stay away from that kind less we are influenced by them, or approve them in their sin?</span><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">We saw it with Paul and the Corinth church.</span><br />Paul <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">wasn</span>’t a good speaker, he <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2">wasn</span>’t eloquent, and he <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3">wasn</span>’t attractive in his appearance or appealing in his preaching. He was always in and out of jail (jail!!), always getting beaten up, shipwrecked, stoned, chased, and persecuted. <span style="font-style: italic;">Surely this man, who experienced the worst of atrocities, <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_4">wasn</span>’t a man of God, was he? God would have taken care of His own better than that! Why hang out with a guy who is always ticking people off, especially the authorities?</span> No, said the Corinth church, who cared only for appearances and ‘felt needs’. They cast him out in favor of the ‘super apostles’ as Paul called them, and took the high and easy road in leaving Paul to his own troubles.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">We see it now. </span><br />Someone at church has an attitude problem? Someone is too quiet? Someone <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_5">doesn</span>’t give enough $ considering that fancy car they drive? Someone <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_6">doesn</span>’t regularly attend? Someone <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_7">doesn</span>’t read their bible enough? Someone is too shy? Too proud? Too loud? Someone care too much for ‘loving Jesus’ rather than the deep truths of biblical theology? Someone cares too much for the deep theology instead of ‘loving Jesus in the way we live’?<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cast them out! </span>-is the cry, but only by way of silent avoidance. Avoid them! Let them subtly <span style="font-weight: bold;">know</span> (or figure out) that they are not walking the 'straight and narrow'. God-forbid that they believe that you approve of their behavior! God-forbid that you be seen hanging out with that sinner, that outcast! God-forbid that you dare to reach out to someone who <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_8">doesn</span>’t act like they want to be reached out to!<br /><br />I struggle with this immensely, and so do you and the rest of the modern church. And it needs to stop because it is terribly displeasing to our Lord. ‘<span style="font-style: italic;">What credit is it</span>’, Jesus says, ‘<span style="font-style: italic;">when you love those who love you? Do not even tax collectors and sinners do the same?</span>'<br /><br />There is a reason why Jesus set forth steps for church discipline in Matt chapter 18. He never said it would be easy, but there is a clear reason why the first step is not separation. The greatest in the kingdom will be the servant. The greatest will be the one who refuses to separate himself from sinners as a initial, knee-jerk reaction, but rather selflessly begs and pleads with his straying friend to come back.<br /><br />Separating yourself is certainly the easy way out, but it is the mark of a selfish coward. Going to someone once, then twice, then three times if necessary, going to them to beg and plead, to implore, to minister to despite their sin, is what marks the loving man. Dare to serve those who hate you; who are in their sin; who despise authority. Dare to be like Christ.<br /><br />If the issue <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_9">isn</span>’t sin but rather personality, or status, or any other issue outside of sin, then going to them in confrontation is not the answer, but going to them in order to serve them just like the others in the Christ-like thing to do. <span style="font-weight: bold;">Why do we so pick and choose who we serve, who we spend time on, and who we get along with?! </span>This kind of action is wickedness at its core. Separation is certainly our tendency; separation from those who <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_10">aren</span>’t our best friends, who we dislike, who have weird personalities, who aren't easily teachable, or from those who don’t seem like they care, or from those who have a bad reputation, etc. This is our fallen and selfish way of dealing with what we see as the problem.<br /><br />Take a moment today, right now, to reach out to someone who has offended you. Reach out to someone who has that annoying personality. Reach out to someone who <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_11">doesn</span>’t seem to care about others, or the church, or the scriptures. Reach out to someone who is obviously prideful, or slanderous, or obnoxious. Reach out to the quiet ones, the apathetic ones, the weird ones. Reach out to them and seek to lead them back the biblical way, to serve them despite the fact that they wallow in their sin; to give yourself to them knowing that you will not receive anything (even a 'thank you') in return. Do this and you will prove to be a disciple of Jesus…instead of a disciple of the Pharisees.<br /><blockquote><br />“Him we proclaim, warning everyone and teaching everyone with all wisdom, that we may present everyone mature in Christ. For this I toil, struggling with all his energy that he powerfully works within me.” <span style="font-weight: bold;">– <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_12">Colossians</span> 1:28-29</span></blockquote><span style="font-weight: bold;"></span><br /><br />Paul <span style="font-weight: bold;">toiled</span> and <span style="font-weight: bold;">struggled</span> with <span style="font-weight: bold;">all his energy</span>…to do what? To warn <span style="font-weight: bold;">everyone</span> with the intent to present <span style="font-weight: bold;">everyone</span> mature and <span style="font-weight: bold;">perfect</span> in Christ. Do you strive with<span style="font-weight: bold;"> everyone</span>, or only with those who present the easiest case for achievement? Do you toil at all, or do you wait around for people to do the hard work first before you act? This kind of thing <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_13">isn</span>’t easy, but it is the essence of true religion. <span style="font-weight: bold;">EVERYONE</span>. Do something about it. Dare to be like Christ.Nathan Whitehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14146269563760139652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13422678.post-63214314397414202722007-03-09T20:11:00.000-05:002007-03-09T20:17:05.352-05:00The Holiness of God Resources<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp3.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/RfIGuBt_hGI/AAAAAAAAAKk/oWpu7mbxdME/s1600-h/holiness.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp3.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/RfIGuBt_hGI/AAAAAAAAAKk/oWpu7mbxdME/s200/holiness.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5040098320786097250" border="0" /></a>If you have never read RC Sproul’s <a href="http://www.monergismbooks.com/holinessgod9655.html">book</a> on Holiness, it is one book that I strongly suggest you don't miss.<br /><br />Recently I came across Sproul’s ‘abbreviated’ version of the book in a sermon format. This year at the Desiring God Pastor’s conference, Sproul preached 3 messages on Holiness. I would like to <span style="font-style: italic;">strongly</span> recommend these <span style="font-style: italic;">free</span> resources to anybody who has the ability to download and listen to these 3<span style="font-style: italic;"> powerful</span> messages:<br /><br /><br /><a href="http://www.desiringgod.org/media/audio/conferences/bcp2007/20070205_sproul_1.mp3">The Holiness of God</a><br /><br /><br /><a href="http://www.desiringgod.org/media/audio/conferences/bcp2007/20070206_sproul_2.mp3">The Holiness of Christ</a><br /><br /><br /><a href="http://www.desiringgod.org/media/audio/conferences/bcp2007/20070206_sproul_3.mp3">Holiness and Justice</a><br /><br /><br /><span style="font-size:85%;">(To download, right click one of the above links and select ‘save target as’ or ‘save link as’.)</span>Nathan Whitehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14146269563760139652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13422678.post-5820401854244625142007-03-07T23:18:00.000-05:002007-03-09T21:55:01.015-05:00Shepherds Conference 2007: Premillennialism<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp1.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/Re-VvgDafqI/AAAAAAAAAKU/6Q49sby5A8Y/s1600-h/shep.gif"><img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp1.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/Re-VvgDafqI/AAAAAAAAAKU/6Q49sby5A8Y/s320/shep.gif" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5039411151341518498" border="0" /></a>Because of the birth of Hannah Grace, I was unable to attend the Shepherds Conference this year. This kind of upset me at first, for the conference has been a tremendous blessing to me in the past. But when Courtney missed her due date, I realized that God had a very special reason for keeping me here. Now I look at the conference as absolutely meaningless in comparison to the reality of Hannah’s birth.<br /><br />I’<span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">ve</span> got many friends who are there this week, and I’<span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">ve</span> followed some <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2">bloggers</span> that are writing about the conference as well. From what I hear, John MacArthur opened the conference up with a very ‘in your face’ sermon advocating <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3">Pre</span><span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_4">millennialism</span>. I must admit, I was surprised when I heard this, and now I realize that there may have been other reasons why the Lord kept me from attending :)<br /><br />If you know me very well at all, you understand then that MacArthur is my very favorite preacher/teacher/author. It was his study bible and his books that first got me on a sound theological path in the early days of my conversion. Without a doubt, no man has had more influence on my life in regards to theology than he has. I love the man dearly, and I told him that a few years ago when I had to opportunity to speak with him.<br /><br />In addition to this, I highly respect MacArthur’s views on the Millennium. We differ, no doubt, but you will find harsher language coming from him towards my position than you will from me regarding his position. His belief is very consistent (though not completely), it is rooted in the biblical text, and he sticks by it without wavering –something I highly respect. But, his position is clearly wrong, in my opinion, and I don’t think his errors are hard to prove at all.<br /><br />Above all else, we must understand that wisdom is a gift from God, it is supernatural. Wisdom to discern what the scriptures teach is not something that is purely academic. Yes, MacArthur will stress a ‘consistent hermeneutic’ in interpreting the Old and the New Testaments, but the holes in this ‘hermeneutic’ are clearly seen if examined closely.<br /><br /><br />Revelation 13:18 says:<br /><br /><blockquote>“This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.”</blockquote><br /><br />Notice, John says that determining the man and ‘666’ requires wisdom. It is NOT something that can be deduced by taking a man’s name and adding up the number of letters. No, only those with ‘wisdom’ can understand this calculation.<br /><br />Less we go Charismatic here, wisdom is never separated from the consistent nature of the biblical text –no doubt. But, we get in trouble when we emphasize one over the other. Taking a purely academic approach to biblical interpretation is just as dangerous as taking a ‘wisdom in the Spirit’ approach that separates itself from the text itself.<br /><br />Thus, I believe that MacArthur is unbalanced in this area, though certainly not by much. He is so infatuated with this 'consistent hermeneutic', that he forgets that truth is not always deduced from looking at scripture and adding up '1' + '1'. If biblical interpretation WAS to be determined in this manner, then we would all be missing our right hands and right eyes, we'd be hating our parents for the sake of the gospel, we would be able to literally move mountains into the sea, and John the Baptist was not the Elijah that was to come.<br /><br />Above all of this, however, is how MacArthur seems to love attacking <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_5">Amillennial</span> straw-men. It appears as if he did just that in this recent sermon. If I ever heard MacArthur present an argument grounded in a deep, sound, and honest understanding of <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_6">Amillennialism</span>, then maybe I would be obliged to take his strong words more seriously.<br /><br />To read more about this sermon, <a href="http://www.challies.com/archives/002416.php">here is Tim <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_7">Challies</span>’ perspective</a> (overview, no evaluation), and <a href="http://fide-o.blogspot.com/2007/03/life-of-unregistered-and-mocked.html">here is <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_8">Fide</span>-O’s perspective</a> (entitled 'the mocked shepherd' -coming from the <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_9">Amill</span> position).<br /><br /><br /><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);font-size:100%;" ><span style="font-size:180%;">UPDATE: </span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Kim Riddlebarger has written a response <a href="http://kimriddlebarger.squarespace.com/the-latest-post/2007/3/7/with-all-due-respect-to-dr-macarthur-.html">here</a> that is worth reading. It is entitled 'With all due respect to Dr. MacArthur"</span></span>Nathan Whitehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14146269563760139652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13422678.post-9824010686211501002007-03-04T15:12:00.000-05:002007-03-04T15:13:47.741-05:00Hannah Grace White<span style="font-weight: bold;font-size:180%;" >F</span>riday night at 7:37pm, after 3 days of labor, the Lord brought Hannah Grace White into the world at 8lbs & 2 ounces. We are most certainly <span style="font-style: italic;">overcome</span> with joy and gratitude! Courtney handled the tough labor amazingly well, and I am most thankful to God for such a wonderful wife. Thank you ALL for the prayers, as the 3 day labor was extremely tough on us both. More pics to come soon! These will have to do until then:<br /><br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp0.blogger.com/_Fe1NuNtO7e0/Ren9iPS5IHI/AAAAAAAAADY/LfPj-N0CvDg/s1600-h/100_0292.JPG"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp0.blogger.com/_Fe1NuNtO7e0/Ren9iPS5IHI/AAAAAAAAADY/LfPj-N0CvDg/s400/100_0292.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5037836422853763186" border="0" /></a><br /><br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp3.blogger.com/_Fe1NuNtO7e0/Ren-y_S5IJI/AAAAAAAAADo/BL4AsKBg66M/s1600-h/100_0284.JPG"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp3.blogger.com/_Fe1NuNtO7e0/Ren-y_S5IJI/AAAAAAAAADo/BL4AsKBg66M/s400/100_0284.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5037837810128199826" border="0" /></a><br /><br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp0.blogger.com/_Fe1NuNtO7e0/ReoSL_S5IKI/AAAAAAAAAD8/OlY6NbEEQig/s1600-h/MyPicture.JPG"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp0.blogger.com/_Fe1NuNtO7e0/ReoSL_S5IKI/AAAAAAAAAD8/OlY6NbEEQig/s400/MyPicture.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5037859130345857186" border="0" /></a><br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp3.blogger.com/_Fe1NuNtO7e0/ReoT-vS5ILI/AAAAAAAAAEE/_0bIIzpCIZ4/s1600-h/Courtnhannah.JPG"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp3.blogger.com/_Fe1NuNtO7e0/ReoT-vS5ILI/AAAAAAAAAEE/_0bIIzpCIZ4/s400/Courtnhannah.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5037861101735846066" border="0" /></a>Nathan Whitehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14146269563760139652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13422678.post-82379265015795109992007-02-26T19:10:00.000-05:002007-02-27T19:33:47.256-05:00To End all Wars<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp1.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/ReOCOKHUPYI/AAAAAAAAAJk/oLvHA3AednA/s1600-h/end+all+wars.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp1.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/ReOCOKHUPYI/AAAAAAAAAJk/oLvHA3AednA/s320/end+all+wars.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5036011988075167106" border="0" /></a>The other night some good friends of ours brought over the 2001 movie,<span style="font-style: italic;"> To End all Wars</span>, which Courtney and I watched together with my friend and his wife. Now, before I go a step further and endorse the watching of a Rated ‘R’ movie, let me first say that there was a good bit of foul language and graphic violence contained within, to which you might want to stay away from. I was saddened that such a great movie contained these things, I did not enjoy these portions, and I am currently searching the internet trying to find a clean version of the film. That being said, the movie has a clearly implicit Christian message and it brought great conviction and encouragement to my heart. If by reason you find a copy of the clean version, or if you have a way with the mute button during the first hour or so of the film, I strongly recommend it. It will shock you, but it will most certainly encourage you as well.<br /><br /><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">Essentially, the story is about a group of POW soldiers during WWII and their persecution under the Imperial Japanese army. The band of Scottish and American soldiers are forced to build the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_Railway">Burma Railroad</a>, or the Death Railway as it is commonly called, under some of the most horrific conditions imaginable. These soldiers, one of whom is clearly identified as a Christian, get their hands on some bibles and their lives are transformed before our eyes. The ‘love your enemies’ that Jesus taught takes on an unprecedented reality in this story. Like I said above, it greatly encouraged and convicted my heart on the extreme love to which our Lord has called us to.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">Have you seen the movie? I’d like to hear from those who have.</p><br /><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);font-size:130%;" ><span style="font-weight: bold;">UPDATE 2/27: </span></span>I just wanted to make it clear that I would endorse this movie far above The Passion, The End of Spear, or Facing the Giants. No question about it, this movie, which doesn't even explicitly teach a Christian message, did FAR BETTER to communicate a biblical worldview than any of the movies above, including The Passion.<br /></p>Nathan Whitehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14146269563760139652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13422678.post-46103819718570564832007-02-22T20:53:00.000-05:002007-02-22T20:40:09.623-05:00Why does it matter?<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp2.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/Rd5DgqHUPXI/AAAAAAAAAJY/ByheutZNkIM/s1600-h/question+mark.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp2.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/Rd5DgqHUPXI/AAAAAAAAAJY/ByheutZNkIM/s320/question+mark.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5034535661786643826" border="0" /></a>There have been a number of people who have recently asked me, 'why does it matter'? That is, why does it matter if someone is a Calvinist or an Arminian, a Cessationist or a Non-Cessationist, an adherent to Covenant theology or Dispensational theology, a Pre-millennialist or an Amillennialist, etc., and the list certainly goes on from there.<br /><p class="MsoNormal"><br />If we're all Christians, then why does it matter? Who cares what you believe if you are saved? Will we ever all agree anyway? Do you just like to argue? Haven’t people argued about these things for hundreds of years? Do you just like to think you are right? Don’t you believe in ‘secondary’ doctrines, so why don’t you leave it alone? Do you just like to lift yourself up as knowing the terminology better than others? Do you just like to be divisive? Do you just like to take ease in the superficial reading of books and the ‘splitting hairs’ method of studying scripture?</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br />Undoubtedly, my answer to all the questions above is simply one thing: <span style="font-weight: bold;">Worship.</span><br /><br /><br />We must know God to truly worship Him. To know Him in a shallow way will produce shallow worship. To know Him in an incorrect way will produce erroneous worship. To know Him in but a common way (as is common with most professing Christians) will produce common, bland, and boring worship. To know Him in a fickle way will produce empty worship. Truth be known, the less we understand about God the less we will worship period!</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br />The only way to transcend the cultural substitutes for 'worship' is with a deep knowledge of God and His word.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br />It's not all about evangelism, as some would have you believe, though evangelism is a form of worship.<br /><br /><br />It's not about feeling good, though good feelings can be a benefit of true worship.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br />It's not about having fun, though having fun isn't an evil in itself.<br /></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br />It's not about dotting our theological 'i's and crossing our theological 't's, though true, sound, pure, and precise doctrine is the foundation of all true worship.<br /></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br />It's not all about winning the argument, though defending truth even when accused of being divisive and prideful is also an element of worship.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p><p class="MsoNormal">Do you want to know someone's real character? Look at their worship. Do you want to know a church's level of commitment to the scriptures? Examine their worship. Do you wonder if someone you are close to is saved or lost? Pay attention to their worship. Without fail, the lack of worship or questionable methods of worship will always accompany empty and defeated lives.<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Let us just get one thing straight</span>: pure and holy communion with Christ in this life should be our highest goal. Everything else flows down from this fountain. Thus, to pursue this above all else should be the most important endeavor of our daily lives. Let us strive and pray that all of our theological musings do nothing less than point people back to the scriptures so that they may run to and cling to a sound, pure, and radically <span style="font-style: italic;">deep</span> knowledge of Jesus Christ.</p>Nathan Whitehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14146269563760139652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13422678.post-87847399535264011842007-02-20T22:19:00.000-05:002007-02-20T22:20:54.100-05:00A Need has Presented Itself<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp2.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/Rdu5_aHUPWI/AAAAAAAAAJM/gUxYDzGcaN0/s1600-h/claypot.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp2.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/Rdu5_aHUPWI/AAAAAAAAAJM/gUxYDzGcaN0/s320/claypot.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5033821507509566818" border="0" /></a>My good friend and brother in the Lord, <a href="http://clay-pot.blogspot.com/">Tim Brown</a>, needs help. He needs prayer, he needs support, he needs encouragement, and he needs financial provision.<br /><br /> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">Tim is an Elder at a Reformed Baptist Church in <st1:state st="on"><st1:place st="on">North Carolina</st1:place></st1:state>, and it has pleased the Lord to grant Tim and his family a time of trial and testing. It is most definitely a serious matter. The issue is too long to explain here, but essentially, he is being unjustly pursued by Child Services (or social services) in North Carolina for a variety of fuzzy reasons. He is a godly man, husband of one wife, father of seven children...yes, I said seven, as the Lord has surely blessed him. However, he homeschools his children, and his youngest child was born at home. Thus, as you can imagine, he is an easy target for 'big brother'. The legal fees and the medical fees have begun to pile up, and now child services is threatening all kinds of aweful things. Please contact him for the details surrounding the trial that he is currently facing.<br /></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">Please, this dear brother means a lot to me. Consider bringing him before the Lord today, and maybe more, whether you know him or not. It may be that the Lord has brought this trial to Tim so that you may have a chance to demonstrate the love that God has planted in your heart. Maybe he has brought you to this blog post for the same.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">But you know what is troubling? The most common, over-used cliché of the church has got to be ‘I will pray for you’. I mean, do we ever really do that? Do we just put them on a list and forget about them? Do we ever actually wrestle with the Lord in prayer for that person? In my experience, and this is because I am guilty, ‘I will pray for you’ usually ends up being a one-time, 15 second uttering, which is equally equivalent to telling a naked and starving man ‘be warm and be filled!’. I say this to our shame, and to try and stir us up to good works.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">Please, make a point to pray for this brother, or even more. He and his family need it. Better yet, please consider contacting his church to see what you can do to help:</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p><div dir="ltr" align="center"><a href="http://heritagecommunitychurch.net/"><span><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);font-family:Arial;font-size:85%;" >Heritage Community Church</span></span></a></div> <div dir="ltr" align="center"><span><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua;">1627 Laurel Lane</span></span></div> <div dir="ltr" align="center"><span><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua;">Gastonia, N. C. 28054</span></span></div> <div dir="ltr" align="center"><span><span style="font-family:Book Antiqua;"><span><span title="Call this phone number in United States of America with Skype: +17048664288"><span><img src="http://www2.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=13422678&postID=8784739953526401184" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; width: 1px;" height="1" width="1" />704-866-4288</span></span></span></span></span></div><p class="MsoNormal"> </p>Nathan Whitehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14146269563760139652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13422678.post-57348990353937032992007-02-19T20:47:00.000-05:002007-02-19T21:04:52.179-05:00Reformed Baptist Fellowship<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp2.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/RdpWuqHUPUI/AAAAAAAAAI0/5kMLLeq1db0/s1600-h/image3.jpg"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp2.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/RdpWuqHUPUI/AAAAAAAAAI0/5kMLLeq1db0/s320/image3.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5033430893118897474" border="0" /></a><br /><a href="http://teampyro.blogspot.com/">Team Pyro</a>, meet <a href="http://reformedbaptistfellowship.wordpress.com/">Reformed Baptist Fellowship</a>.<br /><br />A new blog has been formed in which Richard C. Barcellos, Mark Chanski, Bob Gonzales, James Renihan, Jim Savastio, Geoffrey Thomas, Dr. Sam Waldron, and Dr. James White have teamed up as contributors (bio's <a href="http://reformedbaptistfellowship.wordpress.com/contributors/">here</a>).<br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp2.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/RdpWyqHUPVI/AAAAAAAAAI8/EhJtAQ97SVA/s1600-h/LBC1689.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp2.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/RdpWyqHUPVI/AAAAAAAAAI8/EhJtAQ97SVA/s320/LBC1689.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5033430961838374226" border="0" /></a><br />What is a Reformed Baptist? The terms 'reformed' and 'baptist' do have their way of being thrown around these days, but a 'Reformed Baptist' is a church that holds to the <a href="http://www.vor.org/truth/1689/1689bc00.html">1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith</a>. Personally, I find this statement of faith to be the best confession to describe my personal beliefs.<br /><br />I am excited to see what comes of this group. I am already big fans of White, Barcellos, and Waldron, having read material from each. So make a point to check it out.Nathan Whitehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14146269563760139652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13422678.post-71266847795308125942007-02-17T17:45:00.000-05:002007-02-17T18:17:42.909-05:00Sinful Judging: The damage it causes<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp2.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/RdeLDaRM5-I/AAAAAAAAAIo/OtOfML1SqBo/s1600-h/thomas-a-kempis.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp2.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/RdeLDaRM5-I/AAAAAAAAAIo/OtOfML1SqBo/s200/thomas-a-kempis.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5032643999317157858" border="0" /></a>Recently, I have been reading a little portion of Thomas Kempis’ <span style="font-style: italic;">Imitation of Christ</span> each day. Although Kempis had some odd views on a few things, and was a little over the top in the ‘monk’ department, this is one of the greatest little books the Christian can own. His focus on ‘sold out’ Christianity and a passion for Christ is second to none. I am finding that one little portion each day –just enough to meditate on, has proved to be most edifying in my life.<br /><br /> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><br />The other day I was reading in Matthew chapter 7 and the ‘judge not lest you be judged’ passage, and I was thoroughly convicted in how easily I judge others with a stricter standard than I judge myself. It reminded me of an excerpt from Kempis:</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p><blockquote> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">Keep your eyes on yourself and avoid judging the actions of others. In judging others we accomplish nothing, and are often in error, and readily fall into sin; but we always gain by self-examination and self-criticism.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Our judgments frequently depend on our likes and dislikes, and thus are far from true because we make them conform to our personal prejudices.</span> If God were our one and only desire we would not be so easily upset when our opinions do not find outside acceptance.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-weight: bold;">It often happens that there is some hidden motive within us, or some outside influence acting upon us, that leads us to make such judgments. </span>Countless are the individuals who seek themselves in all they put their hand to, but are quite unaware of the fact. They appear to be satisfied and tranquil as long as everything goes according to their wishes and desires, but as soon as something goes wrong they quickly become disturbed and depressed. Such divergence in ideas and opinions is frequently the cause of quarrels among friends and acquaintances, and likewise among the religious and devout.</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"> </p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">What about you? How easily do you judge others? Do you judge others without ever getting to know them well enough to make an accurate judgment? Do you judge others based upon what you have heard from ‘trusted’ or ‘popular’ sources? Do you judge others because of ‘third degree separation’ (you know, they associate with so-and-so, who associates with so-and-so, who is best friends with that heretic, thus they can’t be on the right path). Do you judge others based upon your own person inclinations, without taking time to get the opinions of others as well? When you do make a judgment, do you deal with your own sin first? Do you confirm the facts by 'two or three witnesses'? Do you go to that person immediately and lay it before them? Do you give them a chance to plead their cause, with the full intention of being corrected on your judgment? Do you direct them to the proper path once a judgment proves to be accurate?<br /></p><br /><p class="MsoNormal">I’ve had to consider lately, just exactly what sinful judging is, how much damage it can do, and how easily I fall prey to it. I pray that you yourself would check your own life as well -especially in this blog-driven world where judgments can be broadcast to the world in a matter of minutes.<br /></p>Nathan Whitehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14146269563760139652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13422678.post-72379981057161383422007-02-10T14:41:00.000-05:002007-02-10T15:21:12.694-05:00The role of the law in church discipline<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp3.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/Rc4m96RM59I/AAAAAAAAAIc/phRn5lNhf7I/s1600-h/church.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp3.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/Rc4m96RM59I/AAAAAAAAAIc/phRn5lNhf7I/s200/church.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5030000678874703826" border="0" /></a>What role does the law play in the practice of church discipline? Leaving the specific issue of church discipline aside, in that scripture is clear that there is a process in which we cast professing Christians out of our midst if they continue in sin without repentance, <span style="font-weight: bold;">I want to specifically focus on </span><span style="font-style: italic; font-weight: bold;">what sins</span><span style="font-weight: bold;"> are ‘worthy’ of church discipline.</span><br /><br /><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p><p class="MsoNormal">To briefly address the different positions here: </p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; text-indent: -0.25in;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style="font-weight: bold;">A)<span style=""> </span></span><!--[endif]-->Some believe that Christians are under no law whatsoever (under, as in, there is no obligation whatsoever for us to obey anything in scripture). With that position, I’m not sure how they would practice church discipline. This would be the ‘no lordship’, ‘free grace’ position. </p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; text-indent: -0.25in;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=""><span style="font-weight: bold;">B)</span><span style=""><span style="font-weight: bold;"> </span> </span></span><!--[endif]-->Some believe that the 'law' for new testament believers is only a sin as defined by the new testament, and that nothing outside of the new testament can be defined as a 'law' and thus a 'sin'. This would be New Covenant Theology, I believe, and consistent Dispensationalism. </p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; text-indent: -0.25in;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=""><span style="font-weight: bold;">C)</span><span style=""> </span></span><!--[endif]-->Some believe that both the old and new testaments teach principles for all believers of all time, no matter if they lived in the old or new testament period.<br /></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; text-indent: -0.25in;"><br /></p> <p class="MsoNormal">One other clarification: for there even to be such a thing as ‘sin’ and ‘discipline’, -discipline from either the church or divine chastening from the Lord, there must be a clear definition of the concept of ‘sin’. That much should be plain.<br /></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p> <p style="font-weight: bold;" class="MsoNormal">Now, to ask some questions here:</p><p style="font-weight: bold;" class="MsoNormal"><br /></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; text-indent: -0.25in;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=""><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">1)</span></span><span style=""><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="font-weight: bold;"> </span></span> </span></span><!--[endif]-->Is it biblical to practice church discipline on someone who consistently breaks the Sabbath?</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; text-indent: -0.25in;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=""><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">2)</span></span><span style=""><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="font-weight: bold;"> </span></span> </span></span><!--[endif]-->Is it biblical to practice church discipline on someone who consistently takes bribes?</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; text-indent: -0.25in;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=""><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">3)</span></span><span style=""><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="font-weight: bold;"> </span> </span> </span></span><!--[endif]-->Is it biblical to practice church discipline on someone who visits palm-readers and sorcerers?</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; text-indent: -0.25in;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=""><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">4)</span></span><span style=""><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="font-weight: bold;"> </span></span> </span></span><!--[endif]-->Is it biblical to practice church discipline on someone who bows down to pray to an image of Jesus, claiming, as the Catholics and Greek Orthodoxs, that these ‘images’, ‘idols’, or ‘icons’ are not in themselves being worshiped, but that they are simply being used as a reference point to direct their minds to God?</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; text-indent: -0.25in;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=""><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">5)</span></span><span style=""><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="font-weight: bold;"> </span></span> </span></span><!--[endif]-->Is it biblical to practice church discipline on someone who claims to have a word of prophecy, even proclaiming ‘thus says the Lord’, when their ‘prophecy’ is full of inaccurate predictions of the future and/or wrong doctrine?</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; text-indent: -0.25in;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=""><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="font-weight: bold;">6)</span></span><span style=""><span style="font-size:130%;"><span style="font-weight: bold;"> </span></span> </span></span><!--[endif]-->Is it biblical to practice church discipline on a man who continually dresses up like a woman in public? That is, in makeup, a dress, maybe even a bra, kind of like a drag queen?</p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; text-indent: -0.25in;"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span style=""><span style="font-weight: bold;font-size:130%;" >7)</span><span style=""><span style="font-weight: bold;font-size:130%;" > </span> </span></span><!--[endif]-->Is it biblical to practice church discipline on someone who covers themselves in tattoos, so that even while they are claiming to follow Christ, they continue to cover themselves from head to toe?</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left: 0.5in; text-indent: -0.25in;"><br /></p> <p class="MsoNormal">Notice one thing: all of these issues above <span style="font-weight: bold;">are completely absent from the New Testament</span>, as far as I know. At least they are absent in specificity. However, <span style="font-weight: bold;">they are all over the Old Testament</span>. For example, the sin of taking bribes is all over the Old Testament, but found nowhere in the new (that I have seen). As is the issue of idols, of sorcerers, etc. So, what shall we do with these?<br /></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p> <p class="MsoNormal">Now, I am NOT saying that church discipline is proper in every one of the points above, but I only give these so as to stir up your minds. We must have firm, clear, objective views on sin if we are to be honoring to our Lord.<br /></p><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p> <p class="MsoNormal">What is the law of God? Is it the New Testament only? Is the New Testament and the 10 commandments? Is it only in some kind of ‘law of Christ’? How should we properly go about defining what sin is?</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p> <p class="MsoNormal">As for my position, and this can get fleshed out in future posts or the comments, I stand with David in Psalm 119:160,</p><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p> <p style="text-align: center;" class="MsoNormal"><span class="verse-num"></span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">The sum of your word is truth,</span> <span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"> and every one of your righteous rules endures forever. </span></p>Nathan Whitehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14146269563760139652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13422678.post-83798221170132841372007-02-07T21:02:00.001-05:002007-02-07T21:02:47.111-05:00Do you claim to profess Christ?<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp3.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/RcqEaYua81I/AAAAAAAAAIQ/Lj3jHfkD_Qk/s1600-h/luther-theses.gif"><img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp3.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/RcqEaYua81I/AAAAAAAAAIQ/Lj3jHfkD_Qk/s200/luther-theses.gif" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5028977522761200466" border="0" /></a><br /><blockquote>"If I profess with the loudest voice and clearest exposition every portion of the truth of God except precisely that little point which the world and the devil are at the moment attacking, <span style="font-weight: bold;">I am not confessing Christ</span>, however boldly I may be professing Christ. <span style="font-weight: bold;">Where the battle rages there the loyalty of the soldier is proved</span>, and to be steady on all the battlefield besides is mere flight and disgrace if he flinches at that point." - <span style="font-weight: bold;">Martin Luther</span> </blockquote>Nathan Whitehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14146269563760139652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13422678.post-91593191467441629042007-02-06T19:04:00.000-05:002007-02-06T19:10:57.655-05:00Where are you headed?<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp3.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/RckY9oua80I/AAAAAAAAAIE/DeTre5BdkdM/s1600-h/Winding+Road.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp3.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/RckY9oua80I/AAAAAAAAAIE/DeTre5BdkdM/s200/Winding+Road.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5028577906119078722" border="0" /></a>[This is a post <a href="http://strangebaptistfire.com/2007/02/02/where-are-you-headed/">I put on SBF</a> last week]<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Tom Ascol recently wrote on the Founders blog:</span><br /><br /><blockquote><p style="font-style: italic;">“<a target="_blank" href="http://www.founders.org/blog/2007/02/have-we-lost-gospel.html">Have we lost the gospel?</a>” “Why even raise this question, knowing that it will inevitably provoke the angst of some brothers and sisters whom I respect and tempt them to dismiss me as a crank or some kind of helpless malcontent? I do so because it is simply too important to leave unaddressed. <strong>Too much is at stake</strong>. The glory of God in the salvation of sinners is at stake. So is the eternal destiny of many who may think that they are right with God but who are merely religious (<a href="http://www.gnpcb.org/esv/search/?go=Go&q=Matthew+7%3A21-23" title="English Standard Version Bible">Matthew 7:21-23</a>).”</p><p><br /></p></blockquote> <p>Amen to that, Tom. We are in a battle here. We cannot stand aside with our theological ‘i’s dotted and ‘t’s crossed while the gospel goes down the tubes. We must be active, not passive, in recovering and proclaiming the true gospel if we are to have any sort of chance in this war on truth.</p><p><br /></p> <p><strong>For example…</strong></p><p><strong><br /></strong></p> <p>When are we going to challenge those people who claim to believe the bible, claim to love sound theology, and yet attend churches where these convictions are not taught or emphasized?</p><p><br /></p> <p>When are we going to visit the pastors of the churches in our own neighborhood (SBC particularly) to specifically exhort them to recover the truth of the gospel? Even having the boldness to call the pastor, <em>the pastor</em>, to repentance or even salvation, if necessary.</p><p><br /></p> <p>When are we going to pull over, bible in hand, and plead with the pastor to recover the truth of the gospel when we drive by the churches with signs such as, ‘give Jesus a chance’?</p><p><br /></p> <p>When are we going to stop waffling with our clearly-lost-but-think-their-saved buddies just because they attend some form of a church down the road which does not hold fast to the truth of the gospel?</p><p><br /></p> <p>When are we going to call those to account who clearly have political ambitions, or who talk themselves up as having firm convictions until they are challenged by someone popular or someone whom they admire?</p><p><br /></p> <p>When are we going to press people to stop talking about reforming their clearly backslidden church instead of standing up and doing something about it until the church either recovers or asks them to leave?</p><p><br /></p> <p>Simply put, folks, if we don’t get out of our comfort zone with the firm understanding that that this society (church-society) is going to reject us as ‘unloving’ when we attempt to hold others accountable to sound doctrinal beliefs; if we don’t realize that and place it aside for the cause of Christ, we’re going to lose the gospel, if we haven’t already…</p><p><br /></p> <p>Thanks, Tom, for this reminder. I pray that we will head your warning, myself included.<br /></p>Nathan Whitehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14146269563760139652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13422678.post-64685776884380117902007-02-02T18:39:00.000-05:002007-02-02T20:58:28.234-05:00I’ve been tagged<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp2.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/RcPHy4ua8xI/AAAAAAAAAHg/b8L5krLWETo/s1600-h/100_0010.JPG"><img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp2.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/RcPHy4ua8xI/AAAAAAAAAHg/b8L5krLWETo/s200/100_0010.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5027081286110081810" border="0" /></a>Well, Jeremy over at the Doxoblogy <a href="http://doxoblogy.blogspot.com/2007/02/closest-book-to-you-123rd-page-four.html">has tagged me</a>. Since I’ve been tagged <a href="http://nathancwhite.blogspot.com/2006/08/ive-been-tagged.html">before</a> and enjoyed it, plus it's about books again, I’m happy to join the fun. The ‘tag’ rules are as follows:<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;"></span><blockquote><span style="font-weight: bold;">1. Grab the book closest to you.<br /><br /></span><span style="font-weight: bold;">2. Open to page 123; go down to the fourth sentence.<br /><br /></span><span style="font-weight: bold;">3. Post the text of the following three sentences.<br /><br /></span><span style="font-weight: bold;">4. Name the author and book title.<br /><br /></span><span style="font-weight: bold;">5. Tag three people to do the same.</span></blockquote><span style="font-weight: bold;"></span><br /><br />Now, I’m going to cheat a little here. The closest book to me when I first read this was <span style="font-style: italic;">Christ of the Covenants </span>by O. Palmer Robertson. But, that is not a book I’m currently reading, but one I’ve finished and that is waiting to be put back on the shelf. The closest book to me that I am actually reading is <span style="font-style: italic;">The Imitation of Christ</span> by Thomas Kempis.<br /><br />Thus, you get a double-dosage. Both are great books, so they both deserve mention. I don't do these tags halfway. Here is Robertson, and I will add Kempis as well:<br /><br /><span style="font-style: italic;">“Creation’s witness of grace toward sinful man still provides the platform from which the universal proclamation of the gospel should be launched…the seal of the covenant with Noah emphasizes the gracious character of this covenant. In a context of threatening judgment symbolized by the bloated rain clouds, God designates the overarching beauty of the rainbow to depict his grace-in-judgment.” -</span> <span style="font-weight: bold;">Christ of the Covenants, by O. Palmer Robertson</span><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">And Kempis:</span><br /><br /><span style="font-style: italic;">“I have told my beloved disciples: “as the Father loved Me, so I love you.” When I sent them out, I sent them not in search of temporal joys but to fight mighty struggles; not to look for honors but to be happy in being victims of contempt; not to seek leisure but to spend their time in laboring for others; not to desire rest but to bear fruit with patience. My son, take these words of Mine to heart!”</span> - <span style="font-weight: bold;">The Imitation of Christ, by Thomas a Kempis</span><br /><br />I’m currently reading and studying a lot of different stuff right now, and so my desk is a complete mess. Just look at the pictures. The other books that are currently filling up my desk right now are:<br /><br />Redemption Accomplished and Applied, by John Murray; A New Systematic Theology of the Christian Faith, by Robert Reymond; Systematic Theology Vol. 3, by Charles Hodge; The Golden Booklet of the True Christian Life, by John Calvin; The Valley of Vision, a collection of Puritan Prayers; John Calvin Commentary Vol. XII, Daniel 7 – 12 and Hosea; Saved From What?, by R.C. Sproul; The Institutes of the Christian Religion Vol. 1, by John Calvin; Systematic Theology, by Louis Berkhof; The Intimate Marriage, by R.C. Sproul; Husband-Coached Childbirth, by Robert Bradley; The Power of Integrity, by John MacArthur; The Pilgrim’s Progress, by John Bunyan; The Regulative Principle of the Church, by Sam Waldron; and Reformed Worship, by Terry Johnson.<br /><br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp3.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/RcPIQIua8yI/AAAAAAAAAHo/brvNgNyPf1s/s1600-h/100_0009.JPG"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp3.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/RcPIQIua8yI/AAAAAAAAAHo/brvNgNyPf1s/s400/100_0009.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5027081788621255458" border="0" /></a><br /><br /><br />Now I have to tag three people. OK, how about <a href="http://clay-pot.blogspot.com/">Tim Brown</a>, <a href="http://gordansplace.blogspot.com/">Gordan Runyan</a>, and someone who frequents this blog but who doesn’t have a personal blog, my good friend Davide Palmer. He can post in the comment section if he wants to participate (no obligation guys). See the rules above, and have a great weekend and Lord's Day!<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">SDG</span>Nathan Whitehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14146269563760139652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13422678.post-66864231036629635862007-01-30T22:24:00.000-05:002007-01-30T22:41:57.088-05:00Law: What is it good for? Part 2<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp1.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/RcAP9KhrevI/AAAAAAAAAHU/Dwmas1IyjpU/s1600-h/moses.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp1.blogger.com/_qBTpwOrFiy0/RcAP9KhrevI/AAAAAAAAAHU/Dwmas1IyjpU/s200/moses.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5026034727617526514" border="0" /></a><blockquote>“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." -<span style="font-weight: bold;"> Matthew 5:17-20</span></blockquote><span style="font-weight: bold;"><br /><br /><br /></span> <span style="font-weight: bold;">Concerning our discussion yesterday, read the passage above and consider a few things:</span><br /><br />-The law being discussed in this passage is not some new law, but the 'law and the prophets'. This is specifically referring to the law given through Moses in the Old Testament and backed up by the prophets.<br /><br />-What does 'fulfill' mean? Does it mean obedience to the law? Does it mean that His coming fulfills prophecy concerning Him? Does it mean that He came to obey it perfectly thus 'fulfilling' it in the lives of all who believe?<br /><br />-If in the word 'fulfill' Jesus has in mind His obedience to the law so that believers are released from the <i>obligation</i> to obey it (not necessity to obey, as justification comes by faith alone), then wouldn't it be better to paraphrase Jesus' words by saying: 'I have not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it, <span style="font-weight: bold;">thus it will be abolished after my death and resurrection</span>'?<br /><br />-Who was Jesus talking to when He said 'whoever relaxes'? Was He talking to Old Covenant believers, New Covenant believers, or all believers? If He was talking only to Old Covenant believers in the sense that this 'relaxing' would not be possible after His death, would it be correct in saying that this 'relaxing' warning only applied for less than 3 1/2 years, up until the completion of Jesus' earthly ministry? That is, since His death supposedly gave the power to 'relax' the command, then He was only speaking this warning to those who wouldn't see the New Covenant, correct?<br /><br />-What does 'until all is accomplished' referring to? Was this referring to His death and resurrection? If so, then why does He equate the 'accomplished' with 'until heaven and earth pass away'? Doesn't this seem like a time reference here? Or is it simply a statement of fact?<br /><br />-Does the statement: 'whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven' refer to just Old Covenant believers, New Covenant believers, or all believers? Is this only applicable to those in His hearing and not to those who lived to see the New Covenant 3 1/2 years later and beyond?Nathan Whitehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14146269563760139652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13422678.post-58806173524357165132007-01-29T18:17:00.000-05:002007-01-29T20:28:24.298-05:00Law: What is it good for?<span style="font-weight: bold;">Romans 6:14 says:</span><br /><br /><span style="font-style: italic;"><blockquote>For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.</blockquote></span><br /><br />What is Paul talking about here? What is meant by the terms ‘under law’ and ‘under grace’?<br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Or, in this passage:</span><br /><br /><blockquote><span style="font-style: italic;">For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God.</span> – Gal 2:19</blockquote><br /><br /><span style="font-weight: bold;">Or here:</span><br /><br /><blockquote><span style="font-style: italic;">…the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith.</span> – Gal 3:24-26</blockquote><br /><br />Too often I hear the assertion that New Covenant/New Testament believers are not ‘under law’, without any definition of what is meant by these terms. So, to illustrate:<br /><br />Is it perfectly OK for me to lie as a professing Christian? Hey, as long as I don’t make a practice of it like 1 John warns, why worry about the sometimes necessary pains it takes to always tell the complete truth?<br /><br />Is it perfectly OK for me as a professing believer to commit adultery in my heart by lusting after women other than my wife? Hey, as long as I don’t actually commit the act, then its ‘washed in the blood’ and water under the bridge, correct?<br /><br />Well, there are several answers that can be given to these questions, one of which is how Paul responded to in Romans 6: Do we sin though that grace may abound? Certainly not!<br /><br />However, my aim today is to show that <span style="font-weight: bold;">in order for the term ‘sin’ to even exist, there must be a definition or standard by which to measure</span>. By necessity, the use of the term ‘sin’ implies a law. Is it a sin to lie? Of course! Thus, there is a ‘law’, or a ‘precept’, or a ‘standard’ (all synonyms of God’s law) by which sin is