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Re: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] Re: BTK Killer Sentenced to Life in Prison

2005-08-26T13:32:00.000-07:00

she's mentioned many times that she goes to therapy as she wants to be a better mom for her daughter. I view this as a desire to improve ergo change.

Diana <dianasemail@gmail.com> wrote:

I dont recall her saying that she wanted to change.

On 8/26/05, Kathy <vamp@tbcnet.com> wrote:
Quoting Kimba D'Michi <kimbasmeow@yahoo.com>:

> While reaction may be a part of her posts, I will disagree a bit here.
>
> She knows she's fucked up.  She's holding no punches.  Telling her she's
> fucked up is pointless.  She acknowledges and accepts this as fact already.
> Why be redundant?
>
> She's also processing and I want to ask the list to not just tell her she's
> fucked up.  She knows that. Sounding board her be intrigued by the chance to
> glimpse something you will never likely truly understand.  See this as an
> opportunity to experience something rather than a chance to jab
>
> Don't be bambi, be another hunting walking beside her trying to sort this out
> so to speak.

Exactly.  That is exactly why I was trying to stress to her that I didn't have a
problem with her disagreeing, but had a problem with her not realizing just how
hostile she was sounding in her posts.  If I didn't think there was more to her
than her being "fucked up," I wouldn't have bothered to do so.

And, for the record, I think most of us are "fucked up, in one way or the other,
so I'm not about to pass judgment on someone who actually acknowledges it and
wants to change it.

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Re: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] Re: Female Killers

2005-08-26T12:53:00.000-07:00

Diana,

You might feel differently when faced with the actual dismemberment... unless you already have experience? ;-)

Diana

On 8/25/05, Diana Daemonique <creepy_freaky@arcor.de> wrote:

It's just such a pity that the few female killers that are known (the
great exception: ELIZABTH BATHORY!) did it in so boring ways, mostly
using poison or the like. To me personally, the guts and gore are
essential in satisfying the killer instinct, otherwise you needn't even
start at all, in my opinion. It's the disembowelmant and dismemberment
that gives the thrill... but well, tastes are different, of course.

Diana

--- In serial_crimes2@yahoogroups.com, "Demon" <dem0n@b...> wrote:
> Believe me, female killers ARE the smart ones! Female killers tend to
use their brain more, are more manupilative, more trusting and better
planners and we don't let thoughts of sex run our life. Men only have
one brain and that's in the head of their cock, trust me on that one.
>
> ~ Demon Disciple ~

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Re: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] To Kathy and Dianna

2005-08-26T12:46:00.000-07:00

LOL..Catholic doesn't offend me..at all.
I did run into the coolest Priest today
at my ear Dr..he was there as a patient...
he is sort of a Mel Gibson Catholic..only
says Mass in Latin etc...
Intriqued me! ...but did the Hindu Temple...
I'm just a curious lady:)
Dianna ^i^

Kathy Giles wrote:

On Aug 25, 2005, at 10:51 PM, Dianna Kemp Ewald wrote:

I'll just be honest with you.
I have been through abuse
of all kinds in my childhood and
I do set boundaries in my little
world.

This was *exactly* my point. Lots of us have gone through various forms of abuse. You had yours, I had mine (that only ended not too long ago), etc., etc. The point I was trying to get at was that we don't project it in such a hateful manner and, I personally feel that demon is capable of the same but doesn't realize how much she's projecting it at all of us.

Demonic is one place I don't go..
hope that doesn't offend you..

Hey, Catholic is one place I don't go and I don't care if that offends you. ;)

as for calling me a name..I have
no problem with it..if it makes
you feel good, go for it.

Well, you're a better person than me. I don't like to see disrespect like that. We get enough of it from way too many people in this world, as it is.

I just won't discuss demons ane evil
as if it were as common as the good
in our world.

Oh yeah, I should have mentioned that you're the eternal optimist. ;) Personally, pessimism is much more my kind of thing. It just makes for better humor. ;)~

Demon wrote:I really have no desire to turn this into an arguement, but let me tell you that if someone is going to try and offend me, then I sure as hell am not just going to sit back and pretend it didn't happen.

Dianna wrote "Who are you trying to convince with these ramblings?". Now I consider that offensive, considering I took the time to express an oppinion about something that I was hoping to get some feedback on. I was not rambling by any means. Luckily enough, I did get some feedback and that's all I wanted.
I personally believe Dianna has some kind of hate session against me considering that she seems to reply in a negative manner to everything I post.
She has obviously been hurt in the past by someone similar to myself (with homicidal desires) and clearly considers me a threat to the safe little world she has built for herself. Be assured, I do have a strong desire to kill, but this is an online discussion group and therefore I can't do much damage in here without getting myself banned from the group altogether, so you have nothing to worry about.
Dianna, I said it before and I'll say it again... if you want to add my posts to your block senders list feel free to, but be aware that I am not going to stop posting simply because my oppinions are considered offensive to you.
I am an aggressive person and my aggression tends to be expressed in my posts and replies at times. I am not always aware how aggressive or offensive I am being unless I am purposefully trying to offend someone. Calling Dianna a goddamn bitch is the only time I have actually purposefully been offensive in this group, so all in all, I really don't think I am doing too bad.

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From: Kathy Giles

Date: 08/26/05 11:53:06

To: serial_crimes2@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] Re: BTK Killer Sentenced to Life in Prison

On Aug 25, 2005, at 7:29 PM, Demon wrote:

> What happened in your life to turn you into such a goddamn bitch??

Okay, I am BEYOND busy at the moment, but I am damn well taking the
time out for this.  Dianna and I often disagree, but she is one of the
nicest people I know and I am very offended to see her referred to this
way.  Demon, you come off harsh as hell, but I would never call you a
"goddamn bitch."  Ease up and don't get so hostile when people are not
in agreement with what you say.  It's not cool and I don't think anyone
here likes seeing other members insulted.

By the way, you want us all to understand what you went through.  Did
you ever consider that the rest of us might have gone through equally
awful things that could have made us into "goddamned bitches?"

> <unknown.gif> Demon<unknown.gif>
>
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Dianna Kemp Ewald
> Date: 08/26/05 09:23:33
> To: serial_crimes2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] Re: BTK Killer Sentenced to Life in Prison
>
> Who are you trying to convince with these ramblings?
> Dianna ^i^
>
> Demon wrote:
> I am fully aware of what a psychopath is (also known as sociopath).
> This of course does not mean that it is not humanly possible for one
> to change, with some form of cognitive therapy or to change due to
> outside influences such as meeting someone in whom the killer has
> developed a relationship with. You cannot place the human mind in a
> jar and label it unchangeable. It cannot be done.
> The human mind is one that is continually shaped and moulded by a
> combination of environmental factors and personal experiences. To
> presume that a killer cannot change is to presume that he was indeed
> born to kill and I refuse to believe that.
> While watching my mother get beat up almost everyday I became a sadist
> at the age of 6 (tried to burn my little brother on a hot iron) but
> did not become a potential killer till the age of 16. That's when the
> murder fantasies began. So, what is the difference between myself and
> a serial killer who probably didn't start killing till he or she was
> that age also or older? Are you trying to tell me that there is no
> hope for me either to ever stop wanting to kill? Or maybe like the
> serial killer, you would also deem me a psychopathic monster based on
> the fact that I too get pleasure from these homocidal desires? After
> all, I have traits from several different personality disorders...
> Antisocial, Schizotypal and Schizoid being the main three. And yes, I
> have been diagnosed by a professional.
> I have come close to killing people and when I say close, I mean very
> close to the point where I have actually strangled someone. But unlike
> the serial killer, I have much restraint and did not kill him. I have
> held a gun in my hand loaded with a bullet that I had written the
> victims name on with intent to kill, but did not pull the trigger. It
> was not guilt that stopped me. It was fear of capture. That is the
> only thing that stopped me. I knew I could come close and it gave me a
> thrill to do so, but the possibility of spending life in prison was
> and is not appealing by any means.
> So tell me, if fear of losing my freedom is the only thing stopping
> me, then am I much different from a Serial Killer? Yet I can feel love
> towards my child and care towards the rest of my family... brother,
> sister, mother but no love or thought at all towards my victim other
> treating him/her as mere cattle. I believe it is those emotions of
> love and caring towards family that actually make me human. So, then
> does the love that a killer may feel towards his own family. How then
> can that make him a monster?
> Evil is in fact a human concept derived by a society that has placed
> boundaries on what is deemed acceptable and unacceptable behaviour.
> Who has the true right to judge anothers behaviour? Who has the right
> to call another evil when they are not without sin themselves? Answer:
> No-one!
>
> ~ Demon Disciple ~
>
> P.S... I have noticed that a couple of my other replies have not shown
> up in the group yet. Are they being reviewed by the moderator or have
> you chosen to delete them for some unknown reason?

Kathy

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Re: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] Re: Dahmer sane(?) & other issues I have with profiler Robert K Ressler

2005-08-26T12:27:00.000-07:00

Sane is a relative term. Especially when it comes to serial killers. And
the courts.
But I do agree, I don't think Dahmer met the M'Naughten standard.

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Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 12:26 AM
Subject: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] Re: Dahmer sane(?) & other issues I have with
profiler Robert K Ressler

> Yes, he was ruled as sane. My beef with Ressler was because, even
> with all his experience, he felt Dahmer was insane.
>
> --- In serial_crimes2@yahoogroups.com, "trinity66_03"
> <trinity66_03@y...> wrote:
> > Very interesting, I agree as well. Wasn't Dahlmer ruled as sane?
> I
> > thought that was why he was in a prison instead of some mental
> > facility...I could be wrong, that seems to happen more often than
> > I'd like to admit :)
> > Kim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > - In serial_crimes2@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Stych"
> <unitedcats@e...>
> > wrote:
> > > Interesting post, I would have to concur. I've always
> > > thought that if a perprtrator made efforts to cover
> > > up the crime, he/she MUST be sane no matter how
> > > crazed and senseless the crime seems.
> > >
> > > jmo
> > > Doug
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In serial_crimes2@yahoogroups.com, "a" <alilokiloki@a...>
> > wrote:
> > > > The FBI's Behavioral Science unit was created/opened, post
> Hoover
> > > > FBI, (he thought profiling was like witchcraft or voodoo) by
> John
> > > > Douglas and Robert K Ressler. They went around with case files
> of
> > > > apprehended serial killers/rapists and interviewed them. They
> > > > collected the data, found similarities, and used psychologial
> > tricks
> > > > to get into the minds of many well known serial offenders. One
> of
> > > > the things they found, for instance, is by knowing the basal
> > > > personality type of the offender, they could force info out of
> > them.
> > > > Take David Berkowitz, for instance. He is not a killer that
> was
> > very
> > > > forceful. He made sneak attacks that didnt require any type of
> > > > contact with his victims. From this information, and other
> info
> > in
> > > > the case file, they were able to tell that they would be
> control
> > him
> > > > easily since he wasnt one to be controlling or dominant in any
> > way.
> > > > When they interviewed him they asked him about the dog, the
> > infamous
> > > > Sam. He told them the same old story "the dog told me to do
> it"
> > and
> > > > so they responded by saying "cut the crap, David, it had
> nothing
> > to
> > > > do with the dog did it?" He looked a little sheepish and then
> > > > admitted that they were correct and the dog story was just a
> > story
> > > > he made up. (*I don't remember which book this was from but I
> do
> > > > know it was one by John Douglas, one of his first and the only
> > one
> > > > that goes into detail about the origins of the Behavioral
> Science
> > > > Unit.) When they interviewed Manson, they found that he took
> > great
> > > > pains to take control. He even sat on the top of his chair
> (due
> > to
> > > > his small stature) as to seem larger than the two agents. Due
> to
> > his
> > > > personality they allowed him to "feel big" and in control in
> > order
> > > > to talk to him with more ease.
> > > >
> > > > Douglas and Ressler took their findings/notes, case file, and
> > their
> > > > many years of experience in the field and took them to the
> powers
> > > > that be. This is how the Behavioral Science Unit was started.
> > > >
> > > > My issue with Ressler is that he, in many of his books, has
> > tauted
> > > > himself as starting the Unit. He never mentions Douglas and
> often
> > > > comes across as smug. Douglas, on the other hand has always
> > > > mentioned Ressler.
> > > >
> > > > My second, and more important, issue with Douglas is that he
> was
> > the
> > > > profiler called forth to profile and testify as to
> > sanity/insanity
> > > > in the Dahmer case. He testified that Dahmer was insane. I'm
> > sorry,
> > > > but pretty much anyone with knowledge of the insanity plea
> > > > requirements knows that it means that the defendant didnt know
> > the
> > > > difference between right and wrong. Dahmer obviously knew the
> > > > difference. #1) He lied to the police when they returned the
> > naked
> > > > and dazed 14-year-old Konerak Sinthasomphone to him. He told
> them
> > > > they were lovers and had had a quarrel and that the boy was
> > drunk.
> > > > Actually, the boy was dazed because, not only had he been
> drugged
> > > > but also had a small hole drilled in his head and Dahmer had
> > poured
> > > > acid into it in an attempt to make an automated zombie sex
> slave.
> > > > #2) He had many, many locks on his door to keep victims from
> > getting
> > > > out and also had a small surveillance camera set up.
> > > > #3) He lied about the stench emanating from his apartment when
> > his
> > > > neighbors complained to him. He said it was dead fish from his
> > > > aquarium.
> > > > #4) When he murdered his first victim, Stephen Hicks, he had
> put
> > the
> > > > dismembered body into trash bags and put them in his car. He
> > drove
> > > > to get rid of them elsewhere. Along the way, he was pulled
> over
> > by a
> > > > police officer. Dahmer told him he was getting rid of some
> > garbage.
> > > > The officer told him to get home and so he did just as he was
> > asked
> > > > and so, instead, he took the remains to the woods behind his
> > house
> > > > and strewed them around the forest.
> > > >
> > > > All of this points to a carefully calculating criminal who can
> > quite
> > > > easily think on his feet to appear normal and avoid detection.
> > > > Therefore, it appalled me when I heard that in
> Ressler's "expert"
> > > > opinion not to mention all of his valuable experience, he
> thought
> > > > Dahmer to be insane. Yes, Dahmer was an EXTREMELY sick
> individual
> > > > and by no means normal but insane he was certainly not. For
> > another
> > > > thing, he was an organized killer and no organized killer can
> be
> > > > insane. Richard Trenton Chase was insane and a disorganized
> > killer.
> > > > Dahmer was in full control of his situation.
> > > >
> > > > Just a thought and a rant I've been waiting to air in a forum
> > such
> > > > as this one.
>
>
>
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Re: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] a creepy new member

2005-08-26T12:13:00.000-07:00

i've been reading some of the posts here lately, and i feel the need
to reply to this particular poster. you say you admirer serial
killers. in particular "your only love" jeffery dahmer. may i ask
you a question. WHY? would you still "admire" these scumbags if one
of them took the life of someone you love. do you have children? if
you do then would you still "love" them if they took your
son's/daughter's life? these people, like rapists and child
molesters are the bottom of the social barrel.

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Diana Daemonique
> To: serial_crimes2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 3:08 PM
> Subject: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] a creepy new member
>
>
> Hi all,
> my name is Diana and I just joined here, being a great admirer
of
> serial killers in general, and in particular of my only love
Jeffrey
> Dahmer. In general I admire their courage to act out their dark
desires
> at the risk of a so unspeakably grave price that most of them
> eventually have to pay, unfortunately.
> Myself I'm certainly an extremely eccentric but not very
secretive
> person of also very conspicuous appearance (female bodybuilder,
mostly
> mistaken for male crossdresser), my only way of acting out my
own
> desires is my art and it is free for everyone to see/read.
> For the most part, however, I think I'm a pretty amiable
monster... :-)
> Looking forward to interesting discussions,
> dark regards,
>
> Diana

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Re: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] Fwd ] Fw: Fwd: Fw: Awesome Shark Photo(bc)

2005-08-26T11:42:00.000-07:00

Hey I resemble that remark!lol..

Cindy

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From: Demon

Date: 08/26/05 09:27:59

To: serial_crimes2@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] Fwd ] Fw: Fwd: Fw: Awesome Shark Photo(bc)

LOL, yeah... you definately don't want to get wet by that shark, lol.

Demon

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From: Kimba D'Michi

Date: 08/27/05 02:13:07

To: hlf; serial crimes; shanda

Subject: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] Fwd ] Fw: Fwd: Fw: Awesome Shark Photo(bc)

THIS IS AWESOME--

1st look and see the shark under the water.

Keep your cursor out of the picture until you see the shark

Then move your mouse cursor onto the picture, but stand back, you might get wet (it's like it's 3D).

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Re: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] Re: BTK Killer Sentenced to Life in Prison

2005-08-26T11:36:00.001-07:00

I dont recall her saying that she wanted to change.

On 8/26/05, Kathy <vamp@tbcnet.com> wrote:

Quoting Kimba D'Michi <kimbasmeow@yahoo.com>:

> While reaction may be a part of her posts, I will disagree a bit here.
>
> She knows she's fucked up.  She's holding no punches.  Telling her she's
> fucked up is pointless.  She acknowledges and accepts this as fact already.
> Why be redundant?
>
> She's also processing and I want to ask the list to not just tell her she's
> fucked up.  She knows that. Sounding board her be intrigued by the chance to
> glimpse something you will never likely truly understand.  See this as an
> opportunity to experience something rather than a chance to jab
>
> Don't be bambi, be another hunting walking beside her trying to sort this out
> so to speak.

Exactly.  That is exactly why I was trying to stress to her that I didn't have a
problem with her disagreeing, but had a problem with her not realizing just how
hostile she was sounding in her posts.  If I didn't think there was more to her
than her being "fucked up," I wouldn't have bothered to do so.

And, for the record, I think most of us are "fucked up, in one way or the other,
so I'm not about to pass judgment on someone who actually acknowledges it and
wants to change it.

Kathy
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Re: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] Human Emotions

2005-08-26T11:36:00.000-07:00

You go girls!lol..

Cindy

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From: Kathy

Date: 08/26/05 10:07:02

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Subject: Re: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] Human Emotions

Quoting Demon <dem0n@bigpond.net.au>: > I would personally like to say fuck you! Sorry for the swearing guys, but > this guy needs his head rammed back up his ass and I would personally like > to be the one do it! If you've got a problem with what we discuss in this > group as intelligent women who know exactly what's going on, then you know > where the Leave Group button is... so, I'd suggest you either shut up or put > up! > Demon > http://www.myspace.com/xborn2kill This one, I'll give ya. ;) And, Carl, click delete if you don't want to read it. The only reason it was in here is that it began with a post on serial murder, another member took offense and I tried to mediate. Things happen, for christs sake. > -------Original Message------- > > From: carl phillips > Date: 08/27/05 01:23:43 > To: serial_crimes2@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] Human Emotions > > women eh?but lets not forget they are "just" women with women wants & women > needs.typical women tryimg hard to seperate themselves from each other & > trying hard to make themselves appear different to other women.pretending to > have some kind of grasp of knowledge on whats going on. > why mental behaviour?there is nothing there of interest.why not get confused > over a car or something? > lets open another group concerning womens issues where women can babble on > about nothing safe in the knowledge that nobodys really that interested & so > allow this group to continue with the subject of serial killers please. Kathy Click below for my latest thoughts on tv and film! www.midnightmoviehouse.com vamp@tbcnet.com ------------------------------------------------- TBC Net, Inc. Webmail http://www.tbc.net

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Re: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] To Michelle

2005-08-26T11:23:00.000-07:00

To me, manipulation means 'playing' or 'toying' with someone for my own personal amusement. I use manipulation as a way to control and dominate others and I happen to be very good at it. I also like to intimidate as it gives me a certain amount of pleasure and is another way of gaining power and control over my 'victims'. If someone can be easily intimidated or manipulated, then I consider them weak.

Fear is something else altogether. Fear excites me! I have been in situations where I have seen fear on the faces of those I am controlling and it excites me tremendously! Trust me, you can smell fear!!

Feeling fear is not a weakness. It is a natural reaction and a defence mechanism. I do not consider those who fear me as weak, but they are weak if I am able to take control of them and it only proves I am stronger!

Demon

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From: Diana

Date: 08/27/05 03:34:12

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Subject: Re: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] To Michelle

I really dont see how bringing a knife to a doctor's office could be construed as manipulation unless you somehow convinced her that you would kill her unless she gave you a prescription or something. Manipulate simply means to control (others or oneself) or influence skillfully, usually to one's advantage.

You keep talking about people being weak. The doctor was weak because you were able to scare her? I think that if Radar showed up in your bedroom with a knife you would be a little intimidated. Would you consider this a weekness??

Diana

On 8/26/05, Demon <dem0n@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Here in Australia child welfare is called DOCS (Department of Community Services) and the reason she did not inform DOCS is because she was not afraid of me. I would manipulate her and make her nervous, but I never threatened her at any stage or give her the impression I would hurt my child. She did make me aware that DOCS would have to be informed if it was suspected that I was hurting my child, but I made her aware that I would never hurt my child. Fact is, I could manipulate her as much as I like because the manipulation itself had nothing to do with my child and therefore, could not be deemed as harming her.

I once told the psychiatrist that I fantasise about killing her and I even snuck my knife in to a session once. But I never threatened her with it, although she was under the impression that that was my intention without me actually saying so. I did want to make her nervous, but I was not stupid enough to actually verbally or physically threaten her with it. I was just playing with her, toying with her. I found it amusing, she didn't.

She was weak and could be easily manipulated, but I also believe she wasn't stupid. She knew at times when I was playing games with her, but she didn't know how to get the 'upper hand' so to speak. That was a fault of hers.

In any case, I never gave her any impression that I would or could hurt my child and therefore, no real reason to call DOCS. Anyway, my daughter was seeing the school counsellor at the time and she would have known if there was anything to be concerned about. Obviously there wasn't and still isn't, so in all honesty, I really don't know why you think something is not adding up here...??

Demon

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I also wanted to comment on Demon. If your psychiatrist was so afraid of you, why did she not turn you in to DCFS or something for fear of your child being in danger. I'm sorry, but something is not adding up here. Michelle

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Re: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] To Michelle

2005-08-26T11:05:00.000-07:00

Do you think Rader would have been afraid if I had been the one holding the knife at his throat? Sure I'd be intimidated if he walked into my room holding a knife but only out of self-preservation and only if I felt I couldn't control the situation. You can bet your ass if I were the one holding the knife he'd also be intimidated. Serial killer or not, self-preservation is a pretty damn strong instinct. If he wasn't afraid, he'd probably be amused thinking that he could get the upper hand. See how amused he'd still be while I'm slitting his throat!

I have played victim to a killer once already (well, potential killer considering I was to be his first victim) and yet I am the one who got the upper hand. I was terrified at the time, but I felt damn good after I kicked the shit out of him!!

Demon

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From: Diana

Date: 08/27/05 03:34:12

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Subject: Re: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] To Michelle

Diana

On 8/26/05, Demon <dem0n@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Demon

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Re: Re: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] Re: BTK Killer Sentenced to Life in Prison

2005-08-26T10:56:00.000-07:00

>>>If someone killed my son I would feel urges stalk, hunt, and harm them. These must be instincts. in SK's they must have gone amok.>>>

Yes, but that instinct is in retribution for a wrong done to you. Serial Killers tend to use this 'instinct' for personal pleasure and gratification.

Michelle

> If someone killed my son I would feel urges stalk, hunt, and harm them. These must be instincts. in SK's they must have gone amok.
>
> Michelle <nightgoddess@alltel.net> wrote:Yes Kimba, I was removing the element of instinctual human defense, etc... I do not consider stalking, torturing and mutilating a human instinct though.
>
> I also wanted to comment on Demon. If your psychiatrist was so afraid of you, why did she not turn you in to DCFS or something for fear of your child being in danger. I'm sorry, but something is not adding up here.
>
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> > I'll debate this in that while defense, preservation, etc etc are human instincts are are jelousy, fear, and anger when you kill out of them you may be acting on instinct. yes.
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> > Evil enters in how you kill them and what you do to them before, during, and after.
> >
> > Michelle <nightgoddess@alltel.net> wrote:
> > >>>Therefore, when a human kills they are merely giving in to their natural instincts but for different reasons.
> > I'm not trying to justify murder, but I am trying to justify why killers should not be considered evil.>>>
> >
> > Hooey. There are alot things that humans have instincts to do, but withhold because we are HUMAN. You ARE justifying murder. And if someone is so out of control that they cannot help themselves but to kill, then they should be removed from the human race. JMO.
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Re: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] joe1orbit...?

2005-08-26T10:38:00.000-07:00

Quoting Kimba D'Michi <kimbasmeow@yahoo.com>:

> Two people wrote the theory of evolution at the same time.
>
> Darwin published a week or so early so he's the one whose name we remember.
> These were two men in different parts of the world who had never met. They
> seperatly, at the same time, came up with the theory of evoluion.
>
> Two men also designed the first IC (integrated circuit) at the exact same
> time, in two totally seperate environments, and had no knowledge of each
> other or their respective works.
>
> I'm sure there are many more examples that I'm missing.

Oh, I know, Kimba. As I said to Demon, it was certain phrases that she was
using that led to me to ask, not accuse, her about joe1orbit.

> Demon <dem0n@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> 1) First of all, I don't need to chill because I wasn't angry anyway and I
> never said you made up that user name.
> 2) I am fully aware you never said 'you are the only one who thinks your way'
> and I don't recall having suggested anywhere that you did. Mentioning that
> there are other people who have a similar mind to myself was simply a
> statement. I was not suggesting that you yourself think any differently on
> the matter.
> 3) I really don't know how someone's expressions can be EXACTLY the same as
> mine when I am not that person. Of course, I know I am not the only one who
> views humans as nothing more than cattle to be slaughtered. That is a
> reference that I am certain has been used by others in the past. Not because
> I have previously heard the term being used, but simply because it is a
> relevant statement from someone with a hate for a humanity. It is reference
> to how I feel.
> I am aware that people can have similar thought patterns, but you are
> inferring that joe1orbit and I are one and the same simply based on something
> that is clearly a coincidence.
> What else can I say...? All I can honestly tell you is he is not me, nor I
> him. I could even prove it, but considering how certain people view me in
> here, I really don't think it is worth my time.
> Here's hoping this 'non-relevant to the group' topic of discussion will
> finally be put to rest...
> Demon
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: Kathy Giles
> Date: 08/24/05 12:04:52
> To: serial_crimes2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] Re: BTK Killer Sentenced to Life in Prison
>
>
> On Aug 22, 2005, at 12:57 AM, Demon wrote:
>
> > Well, I can assure you I am NOT joe1orbit and besides, I sure as hell
> > wouldn't choose a lame ass user name like joe1orbit anyway. I also
> > know I am not the only person who thinks the way I do. Alot of people
> > have murder fantasies. Of course, there are only a few like myself who
> > have a real desire to kill, but they do exist.
>
>
> 1) Chill, already. I didn't make up the username.
> 2) I never said you were the only one who thinks your way.
> 3) I didn't ask about the identity because you have murder fantasies.
> Hell, I have had them for the past 2 weeks after the recent crap my
> landlord tried to pull. I asked because of expressions you've used
> that are EXACTLY the same. I said that in my post, by the way.
>
>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Kathy Giles
> >> On Aug 21, 2005, at 7:05 AM, Demon wrote:
> >>
> >>> Who the hell is joe1orbit?
> >>
> >>
> >> Someone on another list who says the stuff you say word for word.
> >> Stuff about not having a soul because of others killing it, not
> >> caring about other humans, etc. You sound exactly the same. That's
> >> why I asked.
> >>
> >>
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: Kathy Giles
> >>>> On Aug 20, 2005, at 8:15 AM, Demon wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> You're wrong about two things... one, I believe he can be cured
> >>>>> and two, I have no empathy for humans (except my daughter).
> >>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >>>>
> >>>> Wait? Are you joe1orbit?
> >>>>
> >>>> Kathy
>
>
> Kathy

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Re: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] To Michelle

2005-08-26T10:37:00.000-07:00

Diana

On 8/26/05, Demon <dem0n@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

Here in Australia child welfare is called DOCS (Department of Community Services) and the reason she did not inform DOCS is because she was not afraid of me. I would manipulate her and make her nervous, but I never threatened her at any stage or give her the impression I would hurt my child. She did make me aware that DOCS would have to be informed if it was suspected that I was hurting my child, but I made her aware that I would never hurt my child. Fact is, I could manipulate her as much as I like because the manipulation itself had nothing to do with my child and therefore, could not be deemed as harming her.

I once told the psychiatrist that I fantasise about killing her and I even snuck my knife in to a session once. But I never threatened her with it, although she was under the impression that that was my intention without me actually saying so. I did want to make her nervous, but I was not stupid enough to actually verbally or physically threaten her with it. I was just playing with her, toying with her. I found it amusing, she didn't.

She was weak and could be easily manipulated, but I also believe she wasn't stupid. She knew at times when I was playing games with her, but she didn't know how to get the 'upper hand' so to speak. That was a fault of hers.

In any case, I never gave her any impression that I would or could hurt my child and therefore, no real reason to call DOCS. Anyway, my daughter was seeing the school counsellor at the time and she would have known if there was anything to be concerned about. Obviously there wasn't and still isn't, so in all honesty, I really don't know why you think something is not adding up here...??

Demon

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I also wanted to comment on Demon. If your psychiatrist was so afraid of you, why did she not turn you in to DCFS or something for fear of your child being in danger. I'm sorry, but something is not adding up here. Michelle

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Re: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] Dahmer sane(?) & other issues I have with profiler Robert K Ressler

2005-08-26T10:31:00.000-07:00

Quoting Kimba D'Michi <kimbasmeow@yahoo.com>:

> It is a shame that he was murdered himself as he was cooperating with the
> powers to be to figure himself out, as you said he acknowledged he would
> continue to kill if released and he was curious himself as to why.

Not to mention that the whole reason he was in the general population, where he
got murdered, was because he refused the protective section they wanted to put
him in. He felt that he didn't deserve to be protected given what he'd done.
You *know* Bundy wouldn't have been like that.

> Hvnscyld <hvnscyld@cfl.rr.com> wrote: I agree with youI.I watched an
> interview with Dahmer.He said he was sorry for what he had done and that he
> knew it was wrong.He had turned to Christianity in prison.But what he said
> next was the proof that he was not legally crazy.He said that even though he
> didnt ever "want" to do this again and that he was sorry for what he did
> do,that they should never let him out of prison because the Need and Drive to
> do what he did was to strong and that even though he may try very hard to
> stop he couldnt say that he would.To keep whatever future victims there may
> be safe,he needed to stay where he was.
>
>
>
> -------Original Message-------
>
> From: a
> Date: 08/24/05 06:58:04
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> Subject: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] Dahmer sane(?) & other issues I have with profiler
> Robert K Ressler
>
>
> The FBI's Behavioral Science unit was created/opened, post Hoover
> FBI, (he thought profiling was like witchcraft or voodoo) by John
> Douglas and Robert K Ressler. They went around with case files of
> apprehended serial killers/rapists and interviewed them. They
> collected the data, found similarities, and used psychologial tricks
> to get into the minds of many well known serial offenders. One of
> the things they found, for instance, is by knowing the basal
> personality type of the offender, they could force info out of them.
> Take David Berkowitz, for instance. He is not a killer that was very
> forceful. He made sneak attacks that didnt require any type of
> contact with his victims. From this information, and other info in
> the case file, they were able to tell that they would be control him
> easily since he wasnt one to be controlling or dominant in any way.
> When they interviewed him they asked him about the dog, the infamous
> Sam. He told them the same old story "the dog told me to do it" and
> so they responded by saying "cut the crap, David, it had nothing to
> do with the dog did it?" He looked a little sheepish and then
> admitted that they were correct and the dog story was just a story
> he made up. (*I don't remember which book this was from but I do
> know it was one by John Douglas, one of his first and the only one
> that goes into detail about the origins of the Behavioral Science
> Unit.) When they interviewed Manson, they found that he took great
> pains to take control. He even sat on the top of his chair (due to
> his small stature) as to seem larger than the two agents. Due to his
> personality they allowed him to "feel big" and in control in order
> to talk to him with more ease.
>
> Douglas and Ressler took their findings/notes, case file, and their
> many years of experience in the field and took them to the powers
> that be. This is how the Behavioral Science Unit was started.
>
> My issue with Ressler is that he, in many of his books, has tauted
> himself as starting the Unit. He never mentions Douglas and often
> comes across as smug. Douglas, on the other hand has always
> mentioned Ressler.
>
> My second, and more important, issue with Douglas is that he was the
> profiler called forth to profile and testify as to sanity/insanity
> in the Dahmer case. He testified that Dahmer was insane. I'm sorry,
> but pretty much anyone with knowledge of the insanity plea
> requirements knows that it means that the defendant didnt know the
> difference between right and wrong. Dahmer obviously knew the
> difference. #1) He lied to the police when they returned the naked
> and dazed 14-year-old Konerak Sinthasomphone to him. He told them
> they were lovers and had had a quarrel and that the boy was drunk.
> Actually, the boy was dazed because, not only had he been drugged
> but also had a small hole drilled in his head and Dahmer had poured
> acid into it in an attempt to make an automated zombie sex slave.
> #2) He had many, many locks on his door to keep victims from getting
> out and also had a small surveillance camera set up.
> #3) He lied about the stench emanating from his apartment when his
> neighbors complained to him. He said it was dead fish from his
> aquarium.
> #4) When he murdered his first victim, Stephen Hicks, he had put the
> dismembered body into trash bags and put them in his car. He drove
> to get rid of them elsewhere. Along the way, he was pulled over by a
> police officer. Dahmer told him he was getting rid of some garbage.
> The officer told him to get home and so he did just as he was asked
> and so, instead, he took the remains to the woods behind his house
> and strewed them around the forest.
>
> All of this points to a carefully calculating criminal who can quite
> easily think on his feet to appear normal and avoid detection.
> Therefore, it appalled me when I heard that in Ressler's "expert"
> opinion not to mention all of his valuable experience, he thought
> Dahmer to be insane. Yes, Dahmer was an EXTREMELY sick individual
> and by no means normal but insane he was certainly not. For another
> thing, he was an organized killer and no organized killer can be
> insane. Richard Trenton Chase was insane and a disorganized killer.
> Dahmer was in full control of his situation.
>
> Just a thought and a rant I've been waiting to air in a forum such
> as this one.

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Re: Re: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] Re: BTK Killer Sentenced to Life in Prison

2005-08-26T09:40:00.000-07:00

If someone killed my son I would feel urges stalk, hunt, and harm them. These must be instincts. in SK's they must have gone amok.

Michelle <nightgoddess@alltel.net> wrote:

Yes Kimba, I was removing the element of instinctual human defense, etc... I do not consider stalking, torturing and mutilating a human instinct though. I also wanted to comment on Demon. If your psychiatrist was so afraid of you, why did she not turn you in to DCFS or something for fear of your child being in danger. I'm sorry, but something is not adding up here. Michelle > I'll debate this in that while defense, preservation, etc etc are human instincts are are jelousy, fear, and anger when you kill out of them you may be acting on instinct. yes. > > BUT... > > Evil enters in how you kill them and what you do to them before, during, and after. > > Michelle <nightgoddess@alltel.net> wrote: > >>>Therefore, when a human kills they are merely giving in to their natural instincts but for different reasons. > I'm not trying to justify murder, but I am trying to justify why killers should not be considered evil.>>> > > Hooey. There are alot things that humans have instincts to do, but withhold because we are HUMAN. You ARE justifying murder. And if someone is so out of control that they cannot help themselves but to kill, then they should be removed from the human race. JMO. > > Michelle > > > > --------------------------------- > YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS > > > Visit your group "serial_crimes2" on the web. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > serial_crimes2-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > "Society wants to believe it can identify evil people, or bad or harmful people, but it's not practical. There are no stereotypes. The thing is that some people are just psychologically less ready for failure than others." Theodore Robert Bundy**********"See you later crocagator" Zack Lestat******** > > For up to date serial killer news send a blank email to serial_crimes2-subscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > test'; " type=text/css> >

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Re: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] Intro...

2005-08-26T09:39:00.000-07:00

I've read Anton LaVey's Satanic bible, it's part of my religious reading collection. It's an interesting book - I dont' prescribe to any religion, but he writes in a way that is logical and makes sense - this is his snare so to speak.....

hestermofet@speakeasy.net wrote:

So which kind of Satanist are you -- Church of Satan, Temple of Set or
your own brand?

Hester Mofet
On Aug 19, 2005, at 11:49 AM, Demon wrote:

> Yeah.... it's not mean't to be an attention grabber ok. I share that
> information with people so they don't have to ask. I get messaged by
> alot of people who ask stupid questions because they didn't read my
> profile first. It just saves a whole lot of time. I've got 86 people
> on my messenger list, so I really don't want to be fucking around with
> time-wasters.
> Â
> ~ Demon Disciple ~
> Â
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Dianna Kemp Ewald
>> To: serial_crimes2@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 2:12 PM
>> Subject: Re: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] Intro...
>>
>> With a name like that, you're sure to be
>> real popular...your hobby is not an
>> attention grabber either.
>> Good luck.
>>
>> Demon wrote:I am a new member to this group, so I thought I should
>> introduce myself.
>>> Â
>>> I am 32 year old female who is a sadist and Satanist with an
>>> interest in criminology and serial killers. I also have murder
>>> fantasies of which I have been having for 16 years. So, if that
>>> bothers you... too bad. I am not here to cause trouble. My interest
>>> lies primarily in studying murder cases. Why? To understand the
>>> workings of my own mind and because I find it fascinating to read
>>> about serial killers and their progression from murder to possible
>>> final capture. Kinda like watching a dog being taken for a walk,
>>> except that the walk involvesÂ violence and murder, so it's
>>> interesting to see who leads who in the end, lol.
>>> Â
>>> Anyway, now I've introduced myself you'll know who I am if I decide
>>> to reply to any posts in here.
>>> Â
>>> ~ Demon Disciple ~
>>> Â
>>> Â
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Re: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] Intro...

2005-08-26T09:33:00.000-07:00

You don't believe in religion and yet you're saying that those of us who have a belief in Satan are rebelling against a religious upbringing. Well guess what, I never had a religious upbringing at all, so please, remind me again what exactly I am supposed to be rebelling against.

I do believe in god and the Devil, I just happen to put more faith in the Devil because as far as I am concerned, god has proven to be not only vain and sadistic (read the bible and you'll know what I mean) but also conveniently unavailable when he is needed the most.

I have had to live in fear as a child almost every day, watch my mother get beaten and abused, I have been molested, cheated on, stolen from, lied to, betrayed, abused, raped and almost murdered. Where was god then??

Maybe I am rebelling, but if I have to choose a path in life (as I believe I do), then it sure as hell won't be to god anytime soon!!

Demon

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-------Original Message-------

From: nancy m gibson

Date: 08/27/05 01:51:55

To: serial_crimes2@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] Intro...

Well I always say everyone to their own belief. Never having been a

Christian I have never had to believe in Satan good bad or in between.

I may be wrong but I think those who do are merely trying to rebel

against their religious up bringing. ---------------------Nan

I am a traditional Satanist. Laveyian Satanism or The Church of Satan is what I call, modern Satanism. I am traditonal

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Re: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] a creepy new member

2005-08-26T09:31:00.001-07:00

Were is your art located?

Diana Daemonique <creepy_freaky@arcor.de> wrote:

Hi all, my name is Diana and I just joined here, being a great admirer of serial killers in general, and in particular of my only love Jeffrey Dahmer. In general I admire their courage to act out their dark desires at the risk of a so unspeakably grave price that most of them eventually have to pay, unfortunately. Myself I'm certainly an extremely eccentric but not very secretive person of also very conspicuous appearance (female bodybuilder, mostly mistaken for male crossdresser), my only way of acting out my own desires is my art and it is free for everyone to see/read. For the most part, however, I think I'm a pretty amiable monster... :-) Looking forward to interesting discussions, dark regards, Diana

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Re: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] Fwd ] Fw: Fwd: Fw: Awesome Shark Photo(bc)

2005-08-26T09:31:00.000-07:00

LOL, yeah... you definately don't want to get wet by that shark, lol.

Demon

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-------Original Message-------

From: Kimba D'Michi

Date: 08/27/05 02:13:07

To: hlf; serial crimes; shanda

Subject: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] Fwd ] Fw: Fwd: Fw: Awesome Shark Photo(bc)

THIS IS AWESOME--

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Re: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] Fwd ] Fw: Fwd: Fw: Awesome Shark Photo(bc)

2005-08-26T09:20:00.001-07:00

-------Original Message-------

From: Kimba D'Michi

Date: 08/26/05 09:13:38

To: hlf; serial crimes; shanda

Subject: [SeRiAL CRiMeS] Fwd ] Fw: Fwd: Fw: Awesome Shark Photo(bc)

THIS IS AWESOME--

"Society wants to believe it can i! dentify evil people, or bad or harmful people, but it's not practical. There are no stereotypes. The thing is that some people are just psychologically less ready for failure than others." Theodore Robert Bundy**********"See you later crocagator" Zack Lestat********

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[SeRiAL CRiMeS] Fwd ] Fw: Fwd: Fw: Awesome Shark Photo(bc)

2005-08-26T09:20:00.000-07:00

THIS IS AWESOME--

1st look and see the shark under the water.

Keep your cursor out of the picture until you see the shark

Then move your mouse cursor onto the picture, but stand back, you might get wet (it's like it's 3D).

CLICK ON: Worlds Most Dangerous Creature

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[STEVIE] (stevie) ot-grisoft thanks

2005-08-26T09:15:00.000-07:00

i downloaded that trial version of grisoft. it said it found a virus and "healed" it. which im guessing means deleted. lol. i guess it was something called a trojan horse. where the heck do they get these names. lol. anyhow. thanks again newzchspy. :) ~barbra~

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[STEVIE] Re: Hmmm....double dipping...

2005-08-26T09:03:00.000-07:00

That's right, that's where the copy went. Did you and the sheep enjoy it?

From: enchanted@googlegroups.com [mailto:enchanted@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Newzchspy@aol.com
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 12:00 PM
To: enchanted@googlegroups.com
Subject: [STEVIE] Re: Hmmm....double dipping...

In a message dated 08/26/2005 9:21:08 A.M. Central Standard Time, cld14@psu.edu writes:

I got double dipped once......ahhh the pleasure.....ahh the pain...........I wonder where that video is.....

I just watched it last nite :P

[STEVIE] Re: Hmmm....double dipping...

2005-08-26T09:02:00.001-07:00

In a message dated 08/26/2005 10:33:27 A.M. Central Standard Time, danielx242@yahoo.com writes:

The only double messages I received were from Grace
and Glenn.

Glenn, are you pretending to be other people again??

No, I still have fooldrndfelllove and am still on the list; What was your term a few years back ?? Duplicitous???

[STEVIE] Re: ot - computer issues are making me insane

2005-08-26T09:02:00.000-07:00

hello, i use google's tool bar block and yahoo's tool bar block to
block pop-ups. semms to work.

corey