tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10381465.post8545722044387763068..comments2007-11-25T08:54:15.523-08:00Comments on Secondhand Smoke: Your 24/7 Seminar on Bioethics and the Importance of Being Human: Lead into Gold Continued: The NRO SymposiumWesley J. Smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00087063614354714652wjs@wesleyjsmith.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10381465.post-12136349611387129472007-11-25T08:54:00.000-08:002007-11-25T08:54:00.000-08:00And Reid and other 'pro science' types STILL won't...And Reid and other 'pro science' types STILL won't pass an alternatives funding bill. If I am right, it isn't about science for them or treatments--it is about politics and culture.Wesley J. Smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00087063614354714652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10381465.post-34508417711921382632007-11-25T05:32:00.000-08:002007-11-25T05:32:00.000-08:00Here's a quote about the HOPE Act S30 which would ...Here's a quote about the HOPE Act S30 which would have given more money to alternative pluripotent research, that will go down in the books as not too prescient. I found it in the symposium in a link in Hurlbut's comments in the syposium. <BR/><BR/>“Sean Tipton, president of the Coalition for the Advancement of Medical Research, said ...‘Sen. Coleman is looking for a political fig leaf to disguise his opposition to meaningful stem cell research.’" http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/61613.php.<BR/><BR/>It's almost as bad as Harry Reid's comments at his Give 'em Hell Harry Blog. "And just this month, we saw the President do a most un-American thing, by turning his back on science--turning his back on discovery--by vetoing the promise of stem cell research." So much for that nonsense about the Senate being the greatest deliberative body. http://www.giveemhellharry.com/page/community/post_group/VIPs/Bh9#extended.Don Nelsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13997389737629400270noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10381465.post-82369980836799613242007-11-24T22:12:00.000-08:002007-11-24T22:12:00.000-08:00Wesley, are you contractually bound from consideri...Wesley, are you contractually bound from considering the ethics of attempting same-sex conception? <BR/><BR/>Leon Kass repeatedly makes reference to "two progenitors", and now, "both from adults", and seems to be going out of his way to say that as long as the gamete isn't derived from an <I>embryo</I> then it shouldn't be prohibited to derive opposite-sex gametes from adult stem cells. Is that fair to say?<BR/><BR/>I think that the things he says about how "we believe that such departures and inequities in human origins should not be inflicted on any child" is right on. I also think this applies to having a mother and a father. To not having been conceived by a lab with modified gametes, but naturally, the same way their mother and father were.John Howardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15367755435877853172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10381465.post-35612341873872360712007-11-21T12:07:00.000-08:002007-11-21T12:07:00.000-08:00I knew you would like that, John Howard.I knew you would like that, John Howard.Wesley J. Smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00087063614354714652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10381465.post-28250683454450922642007-11-21T12:01:00.000-08:002007-11-21T12:01:00.000-08:00Yeah! This should make it easier to enact the Cou...Yeah! This should make it easier to enact the Council's Egg and Sperm law. Opposition to it will come from Transhumanists and Postgenderists and radical gay rights groups. It's the gay rights groups that might have enough stifling power to keep this law from happening, which is why I'm hoping that by tying it to a plan for federal recognition and equal protections for same-sex civil unions, we can get turn their opposition into support. By itself though, it is threatening to gay rights.<BR/><BR/>Also, how concerned should we be about trying to derive a "sperm" from a woman's stem cells, or an "egg" from a man's? While I would define any germ cell that reproduces a man's genome as a "sperm", perhaps some people would consider such an engineered gamete to be legitimate and acceptable, in spite of the unknown risk factors. Allowing such unnatural experiments might make other little tweaks to correct genetic flaws seem trivial and acceptable also. I hope that the egg and sperm law specifies "sperm of a human male and egg of a human female" like the Missouri law does.<BR/><BR/>Please don't be afraid of tackling this issue. It is not anti-gay to oppose same-sex conception, especially when it could be enacted as part of the compromise to give equal protections and federal recognition to same-sex civil unions. Marriage needs to preserve the right to conceive with the couple's own gametes though, we can't start having marraiges that are prohibited from using their own gametes. If we allow SSP, we should allow SSM, but if we don't, the Civil Unions are called for, to preserve natural conception rights.John Howardhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15367755435877853172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10381465.post-69682510292714905482007-11-21T11:00:00.000-08:002007-11-21T11:00:00.000-08:00On the flip side, there's Robin Alta Charo's compl...On the flip side, there's Robin Alta Charo's complaint that these papers will obstruct any move to over-rule the Bush Administration policy and Art Caplan's question in yesterday's MSNBC column: "Lastly, some may wonder if a reprogrammed panacea cell acts like an embryo, should it then be classified as a human embryo?"<BR/><BR/>Many are calling the iPS "embryonic stem cells," when they called the cells found in umbilical cord blood and amniotic fluid "embryonic-like" cells. I'm not sure whether it's because they don't understand or because they have an ulterior motive.LifeEthics.orghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14136517859663946965noreply@blogger.com