tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10381465.post1407333163554194808..comments2008-09-14T17:10:35.397-07:00Comments on Secondhand Smoke: Your 24/7 Seminar on Bioethics and the Importance of Being Human: If It's Good Enough For the Animal Liberation Fron...Wesley J. Smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00087063614354714652wjs@wesleyjsmith.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10381465.post-25789116130081343482008-09-14T17:10:00.000-07:002008-09-14T17:10:00.000-07:00Well, if a window or door is the only entrance poi...Well, if a window or door is the only entrance point, you'd have to take the risk that it will accelerate the fire.<BR/><BR/>And I don't necessarily support torching Hummers, because not only will that produce greenhouse gases, but it will just end up in replacement Hummers being made.<BR/><BR/>But I am open to vandalism being an option in a select few cases.Joshuahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18166542310875643992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10381465.post-31501200650741203732008-09-14T16:21:00.000-07:002008-09-14T16:21:00.000-07:00Joshua, any firefighter will tell you if you break...Joshua, any firefighter will tell you if you break a window of a house on fire, you let more oxygen in and accelerate the fire.<BR/><BR/>But if you belong to a movement that thinks they can save the environment by torching Hummers and housing developments...<BR/><BR/>If you'd like an idea how successful environmentalists work, I'd suggest you look at the Sierra Club and the Nature Conservancy, both of which have emphasized creating "win-win" situations over harassment.padraighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02225292987748903589noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10381465.post-21977425221065349372008-09-14T01:33:00.000-07:002008-09-14T01:33:00.000-07:00The ruling didn't 'validate the acts of criminals'...The ruling didn't 'validate the acts of criminals', it declared they weren't criminals. If we accept that global warming is a real and present danger and that coal burning is causing it, then those who did this aren't vandals - no different to somebody who breaks a window of a burning building to put out a fire is guilty of vandalism.Joshuahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18166542310875643992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10381465.post-67069910977814504282008-09-12T20:49:00.000-07:002008-09-12T20:49:00.000-07:00I was curious as to what comprised 60,000 pounds i...I was curious as to what comprised 60,000 pounds in property damage from "defacing" a power plant, when such plants aren't terribly scenic. Here's the article I found describing the demonstration:<BR/><BR/>http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/aug/09/kingsnorthclimatecamp.climatechange<BR/><BR/>Not a lot of description of damage, although they would have had to disable the electric fence they climbed.<BR/><BR/>I suspect Hanson saw them as merely protesters. Their "wanted posters" crossed a line I don't appreciate, and I'm sure a crowd of 1500 people hanging around for a week did significant damage to the grounds. But I see some exaggeration here too. <BR/><BR/>The other week the Austrian government took a big black eye because they arrested some AR activists with insufficient evidence, then had to let them go to great fanfare on the part of AR's. I hope the English government isn't going down the same path.<BR/><BR/>That being said, Hanson's a twit to throw down with these folks. He's in a position to do a lot of good from the establishment side, and shouldn't squander that by hanging with wackos.padraighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02225292987748903589noreply@blogger.com